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Revelation 12:1-2 marks the start of the Tribulation; it happens on September 23rd, 2017

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Perhaps one of the most controversial books in the Bible is that of the book called Revelation, or sometimes referred to as “The Apocalypse of John (of Patmos.)”  The book is filled with strange imagery, wherein John is struggling to accurately describe what he is being shown by our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, regarding what is now called “the end times.” The Hebrew writing style is inherently different than what we English speaking, writing, and reading people are accustomed to today, but once one starts to understand the outline of the book itself, the message becomes clear. A common misconception, one that I shared, is that the sign of Revelation 12:1-2 marks the mid-point of the tribulation; after some study, critical thinking, and asking God for wisdom because I’m an idiot, I had some things stand out to me in the texts like neon signs that pointed me in the right direction.

The book of Revelation is both ordered chronologically and non-chronologically, an assessment that I can back up with scripture. The first three chapters of the book are addressed directly to seven churches, which (very much not) coincidentally accurately describe each “church age”, a period of time that we are blessed to be living in at present, but for not much longer; an outrageously bold claim that I can not only back up with scripture, but with empirical evidence that correlates with said texts. I’ll get to that later, first we have to dissect Revelation as a whole to see how each chapter fits the chronology of events in accordance with what Jeremiah called “The time of Jacob’s trouble” (the tribulation), also known as Daniel’s 70th week; this is a week of years, ergo this epoch lasts for 7 years to allow Israel to atone for the transgression they committed as a nation when they crucified their Messiah.

In chapter 4, John is told “Come up hither!” and brought up to the throne of God in the Spirit; here he also struggles to describe what he is seeing in heaven, as there is nothing on earth like what he is seeing, save for the four and twenty elders with crowns on their heads. In chapter 5, God Himself is holding a book in His right hand, and an angel cries out asking, “who is worthy to open the book, and loose the seals thereof?” No one is found worthy (yet), until Jesus Christ Himself shows up, Who is the only One worthy to open the book; it is at this point that all of heaven rejoices. Chapter 6 begins with Jesus Christ opening up one of the seals, which begins the 7 year tribulation; I will show through scripture that chapters 6 through 9 cover the first half of the tribulation, with increasingly intense catastrophes falling (sometimes literally) upon the earth.

For example, after all 7 scrolls are opened, there are then 7 angels with 7 trumpets; these angels then sound the trumpets, which result in some rather cataclysmic events that occur on the earth. Notably, right after the sounding of the 4th trumpet, there are then three woes proclaimed in Revelation 8:13 “And I beheld, and heard an angel flying through the midst of heaven, saying with a loud voice, Woe, woe, woe, to the inhabiters of the earth by reason of the other voices of the trumpet of the three angels, which are yet to sound!”

The first woe is in Revelation 9:3, which is literally a demon horde being released with a “king” over them, named Abbadon, or Apollyon (Apollo; this actually turns out to be somewhat important in a later context.) The second woe is in Revelation 9:14, when the 4 angels bound in the great river Euphrates are released to kill 1/3 of mankind. In Revelation 11:14-15, something very curious is stated: “14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly. 15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.” Many pastors have (wrongfully) stated that this means that this is the beginning of the Millennial reign of Christ; there’s just one problem: we’re missing a 3rd woe! Why would the angels consider the Millennial reign of Christ to be the 3rd woe? The simple answer is: they don’t, and it is actually explained in the next chapter of Revelation. However, we need to cover Revelation chapters 10 and 11 before we get to that.

Revelation 10 occurs just before the sounding of the 7th trumpet, and is a very curious chapter; John sees an angel come down from heaven with a little book, and the angel cries (like a roar) what is called the 7 thunders. John is about to write down what the 7 thunders said, however, John hears a voice from heaven telling him not to write down what the 7 thunders uttered. Now, this is just my speculation, but I believe that what the 7 thunders uttered concerns the fates of the 7 continents that we just so happen to have here on our earth. Alternatively, it could be the 7 major world powers we have at the moment, which are the US, Germany, China, Japan, Russia, India, and Saudi Arabia, but I believe the former to be more likely. Regardless, at the end of the chapter, John is told to eat a scroll that will taste like honey but turn his stomach sour, and that he must again prophesy again before many peoples, nations, tongues, and kings.

Revelation 11 opens with John being asked to measure the temple of God, and the altar, and the people worshipping in it with a reed like a rod. However, in verse Revelation 11:2, he is asked this: “ But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.” Incidentally, forty two months is 3½ years. Then in verse 3, we read of two very fine gentlemen, who are known as the two witnesses: “And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.” One thousand, two hundred, and threescore days is 1,260 days; noting that the Babylonian calendar is 360 days long, and is what Daniel the prophet would have been accustomed to, this just so happens to equal 3½ years.

What’s amazing is what these two individuals do during their testimony; in verse 4, they are described as such: “These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.”  Verses 5 and 6 explain what they can do: “5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed. 6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.” Some have speculated that, given the nature of their plagues, these two people are Moses and Elijah, respectively.

 After they prophesy for 3½ years, verse 7 of chapter 11 states: “And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.” The people leave their bodies in the streets and rejoice, and even send gifts to one another. However, verses 11 through 13 continue, “And after three days and an half the spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them. 12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them. 13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.” Verse 14 is even more ominous, “The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.”

Curiously, the two witnesses are raised from the dead after 3½ days, but it makes perfect sense in the context of what is about to happen. First, let’s look at 2 Corinthians 13:1, “This is the third time I am coming to you. In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established.” The reason why there are two witnesses is (partially) because of the 3rd woe.

And now we get to the real meat of this paper: this is where things actually start to become very, very serious. Revelation 12 opens with a scene that, for many, many years people have said would be impossible to literally observe; we now know for certain that that particular assessment is false, and a very literal interpretation of the opening verse of this scripture is going to occur in 2017.

 In Isaiah 40:27, Isaiah is speaking of the stars and the constellations, wherein he states that God named every single one of them: “Lift up your eyes on high, and behold who hath created these things, that bringeth out their host by number: he calleth them all by names by the greatness of his might, for that he is strong in power; not one faileth.” This is also verified in Pslam 147:4, “He telleth the number of the stars; he calleth them all by their names.”

Enter the constellation Virgo, also known as the virgin. Above her head sits the constellation Leo, a constellation of 9 stars which is representative of a lion. In January of 2017, the planet Jupiter (which is known by the Hebrews as the “king planet”) enters the womb of Virgo and travails back and forth for 42 weeks… or the length of a healthy, human pregnancy. At the end of this cosmic pregnancy on September 23rd, 2017, Jupiter pops out of the womb while Virgo is clothed with the sun, has the moon at her feet, and the constellation of Leo (which normally only has 9 stars) is joined by a planetary alignment involving Mercury, Mars, and Venus. As far as the people who work on 3D models of our solar system can tell, this specific event has not happened and will not happen again for at least 7,000 years in either direction. We are presented with the literal interpretation of Revelation 12 verses 1 and 2. (**VERSES 3-4 DESCRIBE PLANET X or A BROWN DWARF STAR; I wrote an article on this that I now know was and is flawed, and will likely upload an updated article at a later date**) Also, for some very creative & poetic bonus points (because God is indescribably awesome like that), we have verse 12:5 “And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.” The man child who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron is, of course, a reference to Jesus Christ; however, there is also a pagan context that matters for the opposing force that is quite curious: the beast that arises out of the bottomless pit in Revelation 9:3 is called “Apollyon”, or more modernly “Apollo”, which in the Greek mythology is the son of Jupiter. Regardless, in the context of the “rod of iron”, (I thought this was really neat) it turns out that Jupiter has an iron-nickel core. One more notation is that [the woman’s] child was caught up to God and His throne; is it possible this is the rapture? Yes, it is, and for a small number of reasons that relegate it to the category of “educated guess” that I will further address.

The next verse is thus, “6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.” This is both literal and metaphorical; the woman being the Jews, the place where God hath prepared for them being that miraculous nation state called Israel, and they are fed 1,260 days… which is the same number of days that the two witnesses will be preaching in Israel, “feeding them” spiritually. Oh, and just as a reminder, 1,260 days is 3 ½ years, or the first half of the tribulation. Why do they flock back to Israel for revival? The answer is clear when we cross-reference it with verses from other books in the bible:

Romans 11:25 “For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. 26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: 27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins. 28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers’ sakes. 29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance. 30 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief: 31 Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy. 32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.”

Revelation 3:10 – “Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.” (Note: NOT this particular verse does not represent the current day, apostatized church; this would be the church of Philadelphia who choose to believe God’s infallible word over mans’ fallible opinion.)

And then there’s this intriguing wording in Colossians 3:1-4 “1 If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God. 2 Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth. 3 For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God. 4 When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory.

And of course, there’s 1 Corinthians 15: 22-23 “22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ’s at His coming.” And then there’s the icing on the cake: verse 51 “Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.”

Now, please bear with me for a moment: this is going to seem like it’s going completely off topic, but it very much has to do with why the Israelites will flock back to Israel.

Israel was declared a nation by the UN on November 29, 1947, or according to the Hebrew calendar, Kisev 16, 5708; Israel recaptured Jerusalem during the Six-Day War, which concluded on June 10th 1967, or 2 Sivan, 5727. There are a few, curious little fun facts about the Feast of Trumpets which is going to occur on September 21st, 2017, or 1 Tishiri 5778; firstly, it is the 50th Feast of Trumpets since the Jews retook Jerusalem during the 6 Day war, which means it’s a jubilee. Secondly, in a little under two months, it is the 70th anniversary of Israel being declared a nation by the UN. Thirdly, it represents the Hebrew New Year… but the fact that the year will then be 5778 isn’t as important as the significance of the year, or number, 5777. In Hebrew numerology, 5 means Divine grace, and 7 represents spiritual perfection, fullness, and/or completion; one could easily interpret 5777 as: “Divine grace, the perfect spiritual fullness & completion thereof.” (see also Romans 11:25 regarding “fullness.”) Jumping back to 1 Corinthians 15:51-52, it says that we, as believers in the Lord Jesus Christ, will all be changed in the twinkling of an eye at the last trump(et).

Given that the scene in Revelation 12:1-2 painted so eloquently by John (with help by the Holy Spirit of course) literally happens two days after a Jubilee Feast of Trumpets…. it sounds plausible that this could very well be (at a minimum) a general, ball-park, time frame for what has been called the rapture of the church, until you factor in that this scene in the heavens is what kicks off the tribulation, at which point it goes from “likely” to “WOW!” What would cause Israelites all over the world to flock back to Jerusalem? Let’s read Romans 11:11 (context inserted) “I say then, [have the Israelites] stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.” The sudden disappearance of millions of born again Christians across the entire planet would likely illicit several emotional responses in the average (non-Messianic) Jew: horror that the Christians had it right and their ancestors brutally murdered and rejected their messiah, dread that they would now have to experience 7 years of tribulation to make up for their transgression, jealousy that the real believers in Christ were safely pulled out of harm’s way to a much better place, and a great zeal to make atonement for their transgression against God’s only Son.

Now, I’ve heard Christians say that the Jews need to rebuild their temple so as to allow them to make the daily sacrifice to their Lord God; this isn’t necessarily true. Biblically speaking, in the Old Testament, all that was required to sacrifice to God was an altar, be it made of earth, or of stone: Exodus 20:24-25, “An altar of earth thou shalt make unto Me, and shalt sacrifice thereon thy burnt offerings, and thy peace offerings, thy sheep, and thine oxen: in all places where I record My name I will come unto thee, and I will bless thee. 25And if thou wilt make Me an altar of stone, thou shalt not build it of hewn stone: for if thou lift up thy tool upon it, thou hast polluted it.” I’d be willing to bet that the Israelites could build a decent altar in a few days’ time to allow for the daily sacrifice while they build their new temple unto God with great fervor. Really, the temple only needs to be built at least half-way through the tribulation, for reasons I will explain later.

 

Now, how can we discern that Revelation 12 gives a rough outline of the tribulation? It’s a simple matter of mathematics, cross referencing scripture, and some spiritual discernment with help by none other than the Holy Spirit. Bear with me while I break this down: you will (likely) be going back and looking at/up verses already mentioned in this paper.

We left off with Revelation 12:6, which represented the Jews returning to Israel for 3½ years to hear the gospel from the two witnesses. Meanwhile, in heaven, we have the following taking place, according to Revelation 12:7-9, “And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, 8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. 9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.” Please take note it doesn’t mention how long this war actually lasts.

Before we read verse 10, let’s go back and reread Revelation 11:15, when the 7th trumpet is sounded: “And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.” Now read Revelation 12:10-11, “10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.”

Remember that missing third woe? For a refresher, the Revelation 11:14 says, “The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.” Continuing in Revelation 12:12, “Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.” The third woe is Satan being cast down unto the earth.

 

 

 

To summarize:

Woe #1

5th Trumpet; Revelation 9:3 (Demon horde that afflicts non-Christians)

Woe #2

6th Trumpet; Revelation 9:14 (4 Angels of Euphrates released)

Woe #3

7th Trumpet; Revelation 11:14-15 & Revelation 12:9-12

 

Revelation 12:13 continues; “And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child. 14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.” A year + 2 years + half a year = 3½ years; and since Satan is cast down to earth to inhabit the antichrist, this fits very well with this being the 2nd half of the 7 year tribulation.

This is where the 12th chapter gets just a little ahead of itself, so we need to jump to Revelation 13:1-3 to get additional context: “And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy. 2And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as [the feet] of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority. 3And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.” The dragon, in this context, is obviously Satan; this is both an educated guess and a gut feeling, but it would seem that (in an attempt to counterfeit Christ, because Satan enjoys that) a major world leader suffers a deadly head wound, dies, and then Satan’s spirit is hurled into said body so he can become “resurrected.”

I feel like mentioning something highly amusing I realized once I started to study this topic in depth: Satan absolutely despises humanity. He hates us because we’re human, and he takes great pleasure in hurrying very unfortunate souls towards eternal damnation, likely because we are made in God’s image. His assault on humanity is the only way he can actually lash out at God, since God is untouchable (unless He allows it) and literally indestructible, so Satan goes after him emotionally. How deliciously ironic it is, then, that it is extremely likely that God Himself actually condemns Satan’s spirit to spend 3½ years trapped in a human body? God has one epically Holy sense of humor. Unfortunately, this is Satan we’re talking about, so the situation itself here on earth isn’t likely to be amusing in any capacity whatsoever.

Revelation 13 continues: “4And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who [is] like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him? 5And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty [and] two months. 6And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.”

Forty two months is, again, 3 ½ years. But now we get to jump to the books of Matthew and Daniel, because Revelation 13:6 up there just casually mentioned what Daniel called “the abomination of desolation.” Daniel 12:11-12 “And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days. 12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.”

Matthew 24:15-22, “When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:) 16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains: 17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house: 18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes. 19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days! 20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: 21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect’s sake those days shall be shortened.”

Note the timing and phrasing here while cross referencing verses 16 and 20 with Revelation 12:14, where those in Judea flee into the mountains [wilderness]: “And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness.

 I believe that all of the above information, when taken collectively, demonstrates that Revelation is ordered in such a way that it is not in point A to point B chronological format. Instead, Revelation is structured in such a way that it is telling a single narrative from multiple angles at the same time, and upon examination it is possible to take the contents of its various chapters and find the points where they intersect with one another on a given time line; this was the initial intent behind writing the previous 10 pages of information. The second is to show that there is a point in the very near future that coincides with the tribulation. In other words, the tribulation starts sometime in 2017, and there is nothing that we, humanity as a whole, can do to stop it. Instead, we should be warning the people that we’re all standing on railroad tracks, and that there is an unstoppable freight train 7 years long thundering towards us, even if it is 1 year down the tracks.



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    • Chillin the most

      Revelations was written in Greek, not Hebrew

      • Truthseeker

        THE apostle John was a Hebrew not a Greek and he was a fisherman not a scholar like Paul, Paul spoke many languages.

        John spoke Hebrew it has not been proven he spoke greek.

        • b4

          insane ramblings…take 3 tabs of acid(lsd) or drink 57 budlights in 2 hours and you will agree with these maniacs–fools,idiots–you might as well read the stains on your toilet paper to come to these conclusions–even have god wondering what kind mental illness has come over you to put forth this nonsense…and its like all the insane at a ward in the crazy house fighting with each other over what is true–the insane never know the truth–all christians/bible thumpers would not know if god or satan stood before them..idiots

          • Ambicatus

            i really dont see how you can equate a hallucinogenic with a nervous system depressant.. the people who posted before you, are discussing HISTORY, that the Romans and Greeks recorded, in FACTUAL HISTORY, yet, you come here frothing mouth, calling people who discuss history, “crazy” and then encourage people to take illegal drugs@! an attempt suicide by beer! what kind of reprehensible demon are you!

        • Didianna

          More revelations; /spirit/2016/05/jesus-and-israel-never-die-2502435.html

          Try to keep your mind positive as it is so important, we are the creators of our future. May be in the future we are able to “see” ourselves what Jesus said. Like the ETs today we in the future will be able to read what the ancient yogis, saints etc said, when we become more elevated beings. So lets wait until that and no need to debate.

          • Truthseeker

            didanna

            you like my sister are into the demonic world — you will be very sorry. They are not here to help you — they want your life.

            • Didianna

              I know you are wishing well although you just claim to know better than me. Keeping the mind positive is a demonic world? Becoming elevated is not your goal?

            • Truthseeker

              didanna

              my sister had lips on the wall tell her she is special – from that day she could recall any scripture in the bible and speak it with out the Bible.

              She now has her own “church” and they love the demonic world only.

              Didianna I seek the mind of Jesus Christ and no other and after 48 years of obeying, prayer, study and fasting I do believe I am on that very narrow path that few find.

              I also know that of my own self i can do nothing — i am the clay and my Father is the master potter and I want HIM to fashion me as HE WILLS. I am NOT the creator of my future — MY FATHER IS in charge of that future and He has given me into the Hands of Jesus Christ our Creator.

              what I seek is to be born into the family of God as a son.

            • maxwell

              …DIDIANA, If you are not recognizing truthseekers already “elevated”, and supremely elucidated status, he won’t/can’t recognize that you even have a soul worth a second of his attention. He’s completely self absorbed…cares for no one else…

      • King of Shambhala

        I’ve got bad news.
        I’m sorry that I’m going to cramp the styles and ruin the show for all the false christs who are infesting these comments.
        I’m the only one worldwide in the world revealing the following message which makes me the Messiah.
        Obama’s the Antichrist because on the day after his election, the lottery in Obama’s homestate drew the 666 Mark of the Beast which, as everybody knows, is the Antichrist.
        This is the Apocalypse.
        So hurry to also reveal it.
        You’ll be chosen and go to heaven.
        But hurry to stand up and be one of us.

      • swordoftruth

        You are correct. Truth seeker is confused.
        Hebrews were an ancient name for those who would be known later as 12 tribes of Israel. The “Hebrew” bible was copied into paleo Hebrew years after Christs death by Jewish masoretes. The language Jesus and the apostles used was Greek, as it is the oldest version going back to 285 BC, Greek Septuagint.

        • Truthseeker

          swordof??

          Do you really think Christ spoke a pagan language??? Christ read the Torah and Prophets when He went to the Synagogues they were not written in Greek.

          To Christ and the Jews in that day the Greeks, Romans and other pagan were “unclean” why would they speak an “unclean” language??

          because I boldly quote the Word of God maxwell can not stand that boldness, The Word of God shreds his false doctrine, doctrine he himself has invented.

          • Damien

            when He went to the Synagogues they were not written in Greek.

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            The one time we are told that Jesus himself read Scripture in the synagogue, the text he read followed the Greek septuagint (see Luke 4:16-19)

      • swordoftruth

        Did He not say I am Alpha and Omega?? Further, how could he have read any Hebrew considering the oldest Hebrew bible is from around 1010 CE that’s AD. So after Christs death is when the paleo Hebrew forgery was complete. Since 285 BC peoples were reading Greek versions, Christ and the apostles included. They never included the Canaanite god name yahweh either. That didn’t start til after the Catholic Church accepted the masoretes so called Hebrew as authentic.
        So to put it plainly. Yes.

        • Truthseeker

          swordof??

          How do you know Christ used the Greek words alpha and omega?? the letters of the Apostles were translated into other languages and when they translated the letters into Greek the translators used Greek words. THEY put words into the mouth of Christ.

          sword if you want a better understanding of Hebrew and how the Bible was written you might want to go to the “The Mechanical translation of the Torah, site.

          http://www.mechanical-translation.org/

          • Damien

            Because St Paul did.

            And because the 1st Century synagogue of Jesus’ town Capernaum has two inscriptions one in Greek and the other in Aramaic (commemorating the benefactors that helped in the construction of the building). There are also carvings of five- and six-pointed stars and of palm trees.

          • Truthseeker

            sword here is a excerpt from the Mechanical site that give just a tiny look at how the word of God is turned to flavor the beliefs of the translators.

            “The major advantage to the Mechanical Translation for the student of the Bible is that it consistently translates each Hebrew word in the exact same way each time it occurs in the text. This allows the reader to see the Hebrew text, without even knowing Hebrew, in its pure form void from any personal interpretation being interjected into the text. Below are a few examples from the book of Genesis comparing the Mechanical Translation (MT) and the Revised Mechanical Translation (RMT) with Young’s Literal Translation (YLT), King James Version (KJV), the Revised Standard Version (RSV) and the Stone’s Edition Tenach (SET).”

            Genesis 1:1

            MT: in~Summit he~did~Fatten “Elohiym [Powers]” At the~Sky~s2 and~At the~Land
            RMT: in the summit “Elohiym [Powers]” fattened the sky and the land,
            YLT: In the beginning of God’s preparing the heavens and the earth
            KJV: In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
            RSV: In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
            SET: In the beginning of God’s creating the heavens and the earth.

            “Hebrew words related to “time” are also used for “space.” Therefore, the Hebrew word reshiyt, derived from the word rosh, can mean the head, top or beginning of space or time. The MT uses the word “summit” to translate this word as it better describes the original meaning of the Hebrew. Psalm 111:10 reads “The fear of YHWH is the reshiyt of wisdom.” The more Hebraic meaning of this is that “the fear of YHWH” is the summit, or height, of wisdom. “

    • Ambicatus

      “once in 7000 years the lion poops on the chick”

      • Ambicatus

        o and not one thing in your article tells people how to be super safe from all disaster, it in that very Book, you trying to muddy, with star signs and all kinds of funny stuff. totally missing the CORE of Revelations, a 7 FOLD MESSAGE.
        on TRUE WORSHIP.

        and, like OBVIOUSLY , there comes a TIME OF TRIAL, and what you need to do, to DO REAL PREP???

        Rev 3:10 “Because you have guarded My Word of endurance, I also shall guard you from the hour of trial which shall come upon all the world, to try those who dwell on the earth.

        NOW THE REST YOU CAN ONLY UNDERSTAND AFTER> AFTER IT HAS HAPPENED!

        • A_Smith

          Well, here’s the deal: I wrote 10-1/2 pages into Microsoft Word after hardcore research into the subject I was trying to cover. I don’t know how long the next one is going to be, but it will cover Revelation 12:3, and how the great red dragon (a brown dwarf star with 7 planets and 10 moons in orbit around it) causes a lot of the destruction regarding the opening of the seals, and the trumpets.

          How to be safe? Well, if you’re saved in Christ Jesus, you’re G2G; we’ll likely get raptured before this all starts. If not, there’s something curious in the 7th seal that I’ll cover in my next paper. Worst case scenario, death is the best thing that can happen to a Christian. However, to answer your question for the people that are still here, there are the words of Jesus Christ regarding the coming of His Kingdom here on earth in Luke 17:33 “Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it.”

          It’s all a work in progress; I figured that covering the *start* of the tribulation was the smarter move, so I could go down the narrative in detail and in chronological order. For a lot of people, this will all sound like foolishness; for others, it might provide some insight. 1 Corinthians 1:18 “For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.” I’m not claiming to have heard the voice of God or any such thing, I’m merely pointing out that what happens on Sept 23, 2017 correlates with Revelation 12:1-2, and the texts heavily imply that this is the start of the tribulation. If I happen to get it right, it’s through no doing of my own; it’s God working through me. I’m just a stupid human being in the grand scheme of things, after all.

          • maxwell

            …Tell the Martyrs, and other victims in the middle east that the trib isn’t already in progress.

            • A_Smith

              We’re currently in the birth pangs, or as Jesus called it “the beginning of sorrows.” We have great apostasy, a lot of fish and wildlife dying for no reason, earthquakes all over the place, etc. The fact that so many Christians are being killed for their faith in the middle east and the church is all but silent is absolutely disgusting. Then again, that’s what’s scary about this whole thing; this is going to get a hell of a lot worse before it gets better, err… pun intended.

            • maxwell

              The time is shortened…

            • HAPPY chem TRAILS 2 you

              Your exactly right , I’ts actually called the little time of trouble, but never the less it is a tribulation. And tell those Christians in the middle east that are being tortured and killed that the rapture is coming, and that they won’t have to go through what their already going through that is supposed to happen after all the Christians jettison their clothes and head skyward in the “secret Rapture”.. There is going to be a “Rapture”, Jesus is coming for his people alright, but it happens AFTER the 7 plagues.

            • King of Shambhala

              Heaven has spoken through the lottery – see below.
              Time is short as hell now.
              Yes, indeed.
              ————–
              I’m the only one worldwide in the world revealing the following message which makes me the Messiah.
              Obama’s the Antichrist because on the day after his election, the lottery in Obama’s homestate drew the 666 Mark of the Beast which, as everybody knows, is the Antichrist.
              This is the Apocalypse.
              So hurry to also reveal it.
              You’ll be chosen and go to heaven.
              But hurry to stand up and be one of us.

          • Ambicatus

            sigh, i can see this whole thing is from sunday xtian perspective……

            “How to be safe? Well, if you’re saved in Christ Jesus, you’re G2G; we’ll likely get raptured before this all starts.”

            if by “raptured” you mean “dead”, then yes i agree with you.

            • nomorelabels

              Good job. Always challenge this nonsense. There is no rapture, it is a lie, but christians love it because they think they will escape
              anything that may make them uncomfortable.

              A slap in the face to those tortured and murdered throughout history who lived tribulation most of their lives.

              it is incredible what people believe today, fed to them by those who hate them.

          • Deputy Dawg

            As you’ve probably read for yourself God considers the intellect of man foolishness. Bro I mean no offense but your article is living proof of His wisdom. Truth is, a person can read and research scripture all day long but in absence of God’s Spirit they might as well be reading a Marvel Comic book, understanding is not possible. That’s not a knock, it’s just a reality pride filled carnal man has a difficult time accepting.

            Let me throw this at you! If you share Lucifer’s aspiration to ascend to Heaven, if you believe that eternal torture replaces the penalty for sin, which God Himself said is death, if you embrace the trinity doctrine which reduces God to that of His own creation and ignores His purpose in creating a perfect human son, if you practice pagan rituals and traditions such as Christmas celebrating Christ’s birthday on Dec 25th or Nimrod’s birthday. if instead of participating in God’s annual appointed time of Passover you honor the goddess Ishtar and call it Easter, if in correlation with Baal you choose to worship your god exactly opposite of God’s seventh day Sabbath on Sunday, if you have not stopped the above behavior and repented for it, it is unlikely you have the insight God provides to those who actually obey Him. That would explain your confusion.

            If you want to learn God plan Revelation 21:2 is a great way to test religious doctrine. God’s Church, the Church of God PKG is the best resource for truth.

            I offer my response out of love. Please accept it in the way it was intended.

            A Student of Scripture

      • King of Shambhala

        I’m sorry that I’m going to cramp the styles and ruin the show for all the false christs who are infesting these comments.
        I’m going to totally ruin this article.
        I’ve got bad news.
        I’m the only one worldwide in the world revealing the following message which makes me the Messiah.
        Obama’s the Antichrist because on the day after his election, the lottery in Obama’s homestate drew the 666 Mark of the Beast which, as everybody knows, is the Antichrist.
        This is the Apocalypse.
        So hurry to also reveal it.
        You’ll be chosen and go to heaven.
        But hurry to stand up and be one of us.

    • dennisR8

      I have no strong disagree with these conclusion but only the timing. President Donald Trump may be required to undo ALL of Barack Obama policies to enable a restoration of America’s economy. This to facilitate telling the whole world the Truth before all HELL breaks loose. This September 2017 event may rock the world more than the Jubilee before September ends in 2016, that takes down the London to New York city banker gangsters’ plans.

      One year between telling people good news and even better news. Proof the Hebrew God is God in the stars. Dr. Daniel Faulkner of South Carolina University Prof in Astronomy is a dim wit, this proves it.

      • A_Smith

        I actually have no disagreement with what you said; in fact, quite the opposite. Some people are saying that God told them that Trump has been anointed to do exactly that. Given that literally all the mainstream media is attacking him, and a while ago his own political party was attacking him, but his poll numbers keep on rising, I’d say there might be some legitimacy to that statement.

    • Alan Schuetz

      What the author fails to realize is that Hercules is the first transgendered constellation; it was originally called Engonasin (=The Kneeler) as women oftentimes gave birth in Biblical times; see 1 Samuel 4:19. Now, awaiting at her feet is Draco, the dragon, and don’t forget her crown, the Corona Borealis. As these constellations are not currently in the ecliptic, the heavens will need to be shaken first. Isn’t it wonderful to truly understand Revelation when you’ve actually STUDIED it? SMH

    • Redlist Renegade

      What about the assessments and predictions by Moore , Masters ,Broussard etc. That estimate that the Nemesis solar system will pass by us on aprox. August 17th loop around and pass us again on aprox. September 26th of THIS year (THIS summer) and NOT in 2017 ???!!!

      • A_Smith

        We as people are quite fallible; they may be basing their assessment on the idea that the Revelation 12 sign is actually mid-tribulation and not the kickoff. It also may have something to do with September 23rd falling 1,258 days (2 days short of 3.5 years) after the first of that blood moon tetrad we had that started on April 15, 2014.

    • James

      Great piece that you have done here!

      I have a slightly different view on the situation with Israel after the rapture, as I do not believe Israel will at this specific point in time realize their mistake. They will at first be deceived for the first half of the 7 years and believe that their Messiah – the Antichrist – who will probably arrive as soon as the rapture occurs to provide a credible explanation to the world for the mass disappearance of millions of people. This is based on the scriptures below:

      Joh 5:43 I am come in my Father’s name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.

      2Th 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: 9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

      I believe the world will be in ecstasy about the fact that the Christians are gone. The events that would have transpired as a result of the rapture will most likely cause those who are left behind to be trusting in a “superhuman” that will explain everything with very convincing words. I believe that at this point Israel will follow this false messiah and he will also enable them to rebuild their temple and allow them resume their sacrificial system while they wait for the temple to be completed. All of this will be part of Satan’s deception. At the same time the world will undergo what is described in the opening of the seals – war, famine and pestilence with a 25% of humanity being wiped out.

      I believe that only at the midpoint of the 7 years, will the Antichrist’s demeanor towards Israel – of supporting their cause for rebuilding their temple and keeping the surrounding nations at bay – change to what is described in:

      Zec 13:8 And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the LORD, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein. 9 And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The LORD is my God.

      This will be the point at which those in Israel, who would heed the warning given by both Daniel and Jesus will flee into the mountains and their receive protection from God until only they remain at the end of the Great Tribulation.

      Dan 12:10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand. 11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

      Mat 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:) 16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains: 17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house: 18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes. 19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days! 20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: 21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

      Those people in Israel, who would remember Daniel’s words and what has also been said by Israel’s true Messiah, will flee Israel, while many will perish at the hand of the Antichrist and the judgments poured out over the world by God.

      Blessings!

      • A_Smith

        There we go! That’s what I want to see, people coming together and putting their knowledge together. There’s so much scripture to cover that it’s almost hard to find exactly what you’re looking for, especially if you’re not looking for it, if that makes any sense. (I wasn’t even really thinking about what Israel would do, since I hadn’t gotten to that point in my studies, just yet. My goal was to show that Revelation 12:1-2 is very close to the start of the 7 year tribulation.) Your post is a very neat addendum & correction to what I posted, and I thank you for that.

        God bless you, too.

    • Man

      so now on BIN already 3 predictions when the world will end….

      • A_Smith

        Actually, this isn’t a world ending event in the sense that the entire planet will explode; rather, this is the setup to 7 years of hell on earth before Christ arrives to set up His Millennial Kingdom. The world *as we know it* will end, but the planet will survive, and once all is said and done, Christ will restore it. I hope that makes sense.

        Also, I’d like to say that I’m not predicting anything, just pointing out that what we’ll see from earth’s perspective neatly fits with what Revelation 12:1-2 says will happen.

        • Man

          you predicted it since you stated the exact date of the tribulation….

          that isn’t in the bible

    • jknbt

      Mr. Smith– thanks for the effort! It takes a lot to put together a paper like this. Nice work! It is so nice to read something sane and rational on BIN after all the junk that is normally posted here. “Good Job”.

      I take a “wait and see” attitude towards so much of the stuff in Rev. A lot of the book really is hard to interpret.

      Here’s a tidbit….when I read your dating and your mention of the 1260 days, I calculated the days with a simple excel spreadsheet…

      the beginning of Passover 2021 is 1260 days after the end of Tabernacles 2017…(not sure what that means?)

      most protestant commentators will say that the woman in Rev 12 is the church…some protestants say it is Israel…Catholics say the woman is the Virgin Mary….I heard your presentation about the constellation Virgo on christian tv a couple of years ago…(Irwin Baxter’s stuff)…

      question for you…what if the woman is a real woman, the child is a real man-child, the wings of an eagle are an airplane, and so forth?

      wait and see! all of these things will happen in a few years….

      Here’s hope: Matt. 24 says Jesus is coming at the time of the Last Trump….hmmm, maybe a prophecy of the Trump presidency, and the second coming during Trump’s reign? We’ll see…I always thought it would be the incompetent jerk that is in the white house now that would take us into armageddon….unless he does something to start WW3 in the next six month, I guess that won’t happen. All of these terrible things are going to happen. Prophecy can’t fail or fail. The Bible is true…but sometimes our interpretations fall short…

      We’ll see.

    • The Doc

      Would people stop putting this garbage on a news site. What is more unfortunate there are mental midgets who will actually believe this stuff.. Enough

      • Judge Roy Bean

        The poor Doc if he is one, is obviously not a believer, yet it probably never crossed his simple mind that the blueprint of DNA did not just arrive out of chaos and had a creator, just as an architect designs a structure before it is built.

      • Judge Roy Bean

        Rev 2:8-11
        8 “To the angel of the Messianic Community in Smyrna, write: ‘Here is the message from the First and the Last, who died and came alive again: 9 “I know how you are suffering and how poor you are (though in fact you are rich!), and I know the insults of those who call themselves Jews but aren’t — on the contrary, they are a synagogue of the Adversary. 10 Don’t be afraid of what you are about to suffer. Look, the Adversary is going to have some of you thrown in prison, in order to put you to the test; and you will face an ordeal for ten days. Remain faithful, even to the point of death; and I will give you life as your crown. 11 Those who have ears, let them hear what the Spirit is saying to the Messianic communities. He who wins the victory will not be hurt at all by the second death.”’
        CJB

        Rev 2:8-11
        8 And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive;

        9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

        10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.

        11 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.
        KJV

        Rev 3:7-13
        7 “To the angel of the Messianic Community in Philadelphia, write: ‘Here is the message of HaKadosh, the True One, the one who has the key of David, who, if he opens something, no one else can shut it, and if he closes something, no one else can open it. 8 “I know what you are doing. Look, I have put in front of you an open door, and no one can shut it. I know that you have but little power, yet you have obeyed my message and have not disowned me. 9 Here, I will give you some from the synagogue of the Adversary, those who call themselves Jews but aren’t — on the contrary, they are lying — see, I will cause them to come and prostrate themselves at your feet, and they will know that I have loved you. 10 Because you did obey my message about persevering, I will keep you from the time of trial coming upon the whole world to put the people living on earth to the test. 11 I am coming soon; hold on to what you have, so that no one will take away your crown. 12 I will make him who wins the victory a pillar in the Temple of my God, and he will never leave it. Also I will write on him the name of my God and the name of my God’s city, the new Yerushalayim coming down out of heaven from my God, and my own new name. 13 Those who have ears, let them hear what the Spirit is saying to the Messianic communities.”’
        CJB

        Rev 3:7-13
        7 And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write; These things saith he that is holy, he that is true, he that hath the key of David, he that openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth;

        8 I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept my word, and hast not denied my name.

        9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

        10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

        11 Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.

        12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.

        13 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.
        KJV

    • Suanna

      When people concentrate on scary things, they will see only scary things. The powers that be are happy to see such a negativity going on. You are keeping the reptilians alive, they need fear porn in order to survive. Have at least faith that you will survive. Love and light, nice dreams, hope and you may pray happiness for others rather, so your God may lift his eyebrow and take care of you.

      • nomorelabels

        Bravo Suanna! Bravo. Well stated and to the point of all the
        sick sad fear porn. It IS the bottom line.

    • Judge Roy Bean

      I do believe the 42 months of the Satan’s Tribulation on the church does start in the fall of a year, whether it begin this fall, not so sure but it could be. The end of the 42 months is followed by Yahweh’s wrath which you want no part of and lasts the time frame of the locusts, then there is another I believe 45 days before it is finished.

      The rapture people are in for some surprises as Satan’s time against them is clean-up time.

      • maxwell

        …Judge the time has been shortened…why does no one read that

        • Judge Roy Bean

          Not Satan’s persecution has been shortened but Yahweh’s time of Judgment to 5 months, the same time of the locusts. This is the judgment on the wicked, unrepentant and a 2nd 43 months is not required.

          • maxwell

            …God bless you Judge…that’s what I get…the season of the locust…do you get May-September? The very first agreement I’ve found on the subject. I’m fairly bessed, with you, old boy.

        • King of Shambhala

          There’s no contest that’s possible.
          Indeed, everybody knows I’m the Messiah because I’m the only one worldwide revealing the following message which makes me the Messiah.
          Obama’s the Antichrist because on the day after his election, the lottery in Obama’s homestate drew the 666 Mark of the Beast which, as everybody knows, is the Antichrist.
          All those who are saying otherwise are speaking nonsense and they all know they’re lying.

    • Jango

      Sorry to rain on your parade, but the Bible clearly states that the Tribulation starts at the 6th seal. Read Rev 6:17 “for the day of their wrath has come…” What is God’s wrath? The Day of the Lord. The start of the Tribulation. And you can see how God announces the start of the Tribulation in Rev 6:12-14. Only God could do this. Daniel’s 70th week has NOTHING

      • Jango

        to do with the Tribulation, it was fulfilled at the time of Jesus. Rev 12 is when the Devil and his angels are cast down to the earth, and in Rev 13 is when the Antichrist begins to rule the earth for the last 3 1/2 years of the tribulation before Jesus returns. For more detailed info ItsHisStory.com

    • nomorelabels

      Only controversial by those who twist its allegory into
      literal events. What you are telling people is not true.

    • stargate

      Whenever you are quoting Book of Revelation you are always wrong. Revelation has been written by somebody else than Apostle John. Toggling logic related to Revelation can be seen as utter waste of time.
      There is no “end times” to human history. The “life – death cycles” continue forever.

      • nomorelabels

        Yes, but it gets attention they seek and the effect on others they love to see. People living in fear and being fed lies by their loving pastors and shepherds while they are seen as sheep to be fleeced, over and over again.

      • Judge Roy Bean

        Wrong! Revelation is the revealing of Yahshua and Yahweh is not so weak and feeble that he cannot get his word established, your attempt to cast doubt is as old as the first lie and the best trick Satan has to offer.

        • maxwell

          …Revelation IS the “unveiling”…Of EVERYTHING that has been hidden…everything!
          …The Latter Rain, is the unveiling of the Holy Spirit. Christ/YHVH/Holy Spirit, the REAL DELIVERANCE of the souls of men.

    • manufactured2012

      YES ..YES U R

    • HAPPY chem TRAILS 2 you

      the great tribulation that Jesus referred to already happened, it was from 528 AD to 1798. The end times tribulation that we are in now is called the little time of trouble. Red arrow and hit the spam button all you want it wont change truth or facts.

      • BEEF SUPREME

        It must be a fact. You wrote it.

        Is that it?

        And when the Messiah said THIS:

        “For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been from the beginning of the world until now, no, and never will be.” (Matthew 24:21)

        …was He speaking truth or facts? Or are you alone the arbiter of such righteous pronunciations.

        • maxwell

          …24;22: And except those days should be shortened,there should be no flesh saved: but for the elects sake those days SHALL be shortened.
          …I believe the Satanic ‘technological’ developments, designed to threaen even the elect, is the reason for thei ‘shortening.

        • The Clucker

          C’mon man. That wasn’t Jesus. That was a quote from George Clinton from The Parliament Funkadelic.

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbYKFbD1Ysc

          You won’t find it unless you listen to the whole thing though. Trust me. :roll:

          Anyway, on a more serious note I think this happy chemtrails guy did make that up or he just heard it on the internet somewhere, I guess.

        • HAPPY chem TRAILS 2 you

          Yes, there was a “GREAT TRIBULATION”, but like I stated that “great tribulation” that Jesus talked about ALREADY HAPPENED!!!!!!!……Sorry Brother, :???: if your believing the Je$ut version of the end times Bible prophecy’s.
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQqD808ZO-A
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gaeDifvN8D0

          • BEEF SUPREME

            So you’re sticking with the idea that a time like no other before it, and like none after it — that is, unparalleled for its horror — has already come and gone?

            And you’ve read the Bible through-and-through exactly how many times?

            You really need to re-think your stance, Happy. Anyone who doesn’t believe that the most horrific destruction and tribulation and WOES comes LAST, hasn’t been paying any attention to the words of the Book.

            • HAPPY chem TRAILS 2 you

              I used to believe all that stuff about seven year trib, secret rapture, and future antichrist, like most all other Christians do, but something just never seemed right about it, things just didn’t add up, you know the Bible wasn’t written to be misunderstood, but unfortunately it is, especially because of the cath0lic church and the je$uits. So I started doing research on it a few years ago, and God kept revealing more and more truth to me as I went along. One thing I found out is that people that are disobedient will NOT understand Bible prophecy, it even says so in the Bible. Most Christian for the most part keep the TEN commandments except for the fourth commandment, there is so much confusion about the Sabbath, you have the Christians that think the Sabbath was done away with, and then you have the Christians that think that it was changed to SUNday, and some that are sort of in the middle, but there is only confusion when you ask them about the Sabbath, for example most Christians dress up and go to church on SUNday, but many of them don’t like the idea of working on SUNday because they feel that it isn’t right, but they have no problem going out to eat after church and making someone else work for them and BUYING food on what they believe is Gods Sabbath. Some of this confusion comes from verses in Galatians that are misunderstood, fact is though you wont find a Bible verse from Genesis to Revelation that states that Gods holy day was ever changed from what we call Saturday to Sunday. Fact is the change was made by the R0man cath0lic church, but there was NO Biblical authority for the change, and first and second century Christians kept the seventh day Sabbath. Some people think that it’s a Jewish thing, but it’s not, Bible says “the Sabbath was made for man”. Why am I going on about the Sabbath,, well you will NEVER understand Bible prophecy correctly unless you understand the Sabbath. It’s funny most Christians still refer to the TEN COMMANDMENTS as the TEN COMMANDMENTS even though they either completely ignore or are ignorant about keeping the fourth. GB :smile:

            • The Clucker

              Great comment, Happy. I don’t think we know what day the Sabbath is anymore. Saturday seems much more plausible than the obvious BS Sunday, but if you can trace the date of when the “true” calendar began, and can figure out which day of the week is actually the end and which is the end…

              Folks have been working on it. The truth is that nobody knows for sure. Thanks for the feedback.

            • The Clucker

              More tunes. This sums it up for me.

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8s3TyvP1NG0

              Makes my Irish roots tingle.

              and…

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPEbNSOOnaA

              Don’t take your eye off of the ball, friend. :)

            • Mayhem

              You’re right in that the Bible doesn’t name the days, Cluckbrother, but if it did you can be certain that Cronus-day (Saturday), or worse Helios-day (Sunday), would not have been the preferred names.

              Does that mean, as i once thought, that we’re left guessing or is there a reasonable assumption that can be made on the basis that several dozen cultures, plus 3 times as many dialects, all cite the 7th day as the sabbath?

              I contend that there is good reason to accept Saturday as indeed the day that was made for man but having said that always remember that none may judge in respect of, among other things, the sabbath day.

            • The Clucker

              Agreed, Mayhem. I don’t think the names were changed to reflect worship of different Gods in Rome and Greece at certain times. But also, like you said, Saturday seems to be the best option, relying on what we currently have to go on. It was kept that way out of tradition for a long time. The name may have changed but the 7th day is still the 7th day.

              My only problem with that is knowing what day the real calendar started on.

            • maxwell

              …In the Holy Spirit every minute of every day is Sabbath

            • Mayhem

              @Cluckmeister. Snap! That’s the exact same problem i have but on the balance of probabilities the day we call “Saturday” does seem to fit best.

              Interestingly our calendar existed, in Julian format, almost 50 years before the birth of Christ and we’d have to expect that He knew of it yet wouldn’t use it as a reference system.

              I find that very telling and perhaps that’s at the heart of our suspicion?

              @maxwell. A procrastinator’s dream come true?

            • The Clucker

              Thanks for the info, Mayhem. I’ll have to look into that calendar.

          • The Clucker

            I know that bad times have happened again and again and this saga will repeat itself, but the Time of Jacob’s Trouble has not happened yet.

            F__K Jesuits.

            Maybe cool and the gang was a bit heavy. Here’s a personal favorite of mine, for you, Happy.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKQypgRJ9vU

            One of my favorites starts at 4:09. Some of it is a bit slow if you’re not in a relaxed mood.

            Keep it at an even keel.

            • The Clucker

              Try the one that starts out at around 15:20 too.

            • The Clucker

              … and 28:00.

              :)

            • HAPPY chem TRAILS 2 you

              Good comment and question about the Sabbath as well clucker. I had the same question about the Sabbath when I first learned about these truths. Is the day that we call Saturday the actual same solar day that God sanctioned??, and has it been kept track of through the centuries. Well in my research I was a bit surprised to find that Yes’ it is the actual same day we call Saturday. It has been accurately kept track of down through the ages, and it been confirmed by scientists and astronomers the world over. GB :smile:

            • HAPPY chem TRAILS 2 you

              I have to correct my post above. I meant to put the book of Colossians, NOT Galations . Sorry!, I get those two books mixed up. :smile:

            • Ambicatus

              i got MANY “Sabbath uppercuts” heres a minor one,

              the mere fact, that Rome, burnt to death, over 50 MILLION people, at the stake, for being “judaisers” ie SATURDAY SABBATH keepers, and they were certain enough to DIE for that belief, that TODAY.

              Heb 4:7 He again defines a certain day, “Today,” saying through Dawiḏ so much later, as it has been said, “Today, if you hear His voice, do not harden your hearts.”
              Heb 4:8 For if Yehoshua had given them rest, He would not have spoken of another day after that.
              Heb 4:9 So there remains a Sabbath-keeping for the people of Elohim.
              Heb 4:10 For the one, having entered into His rest, has himself also rested from his works, as Elohim rested from His own.
              Heb 4:11 Let us therefore do our utmost to enter into that rest, lest anyone fall after the same example of disobedience.1 Footnote: 1See 3:18.
              Heb 4:12 For the Word of Elohim is living, and working, and sharper than any two-edged sword, cutting through even to the dividing of being and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart.
              Heb 4:13 And there is no creature hidden from His sight, but all are naked and laid bare before the eyes of Him with whom is our account.

              My family fled the inquisition, in 1650, to escape them, beacuse they were KILLING PEOPLE for resting on saturday, and working on sunday.

              so, ill stand with the Waldenses thanks. TODAY is Sabbath, lest all the white-robes be wrong.

            • Truthseeker

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              I will stand with the Waldenses as well, I began keeping the Sabbath in 1968.

            • Crazy times

              “…In the Holy Spirit every minute of every day is Sabbath”

              Well said maxxy , you have entered “Gods Rest” Heb 4:10

              10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.

              brilliant :idea:

            • Mayhem

              God’s rest is only achievable through obedience to the Father’s will, Crazy times, and is not available, in my opinion, until the millennial reign.

              You do know that Hebrews 4 reminds us of the exodus and disobedience of Israel, don’t you? How Israel never entered the rest God had promised them, even to the younger generation, because they couldn’t do as they were told.

              The faithful will be called, anew, to God’s rest but that is still to come. Keep the watch.

            • Crazy times

              as I said Maxxy brilliant!!!

    • judahite

      I have an alternate Christian viewpoint to yours based on my experience and search for truth. The doctrine of what is referred to as “The Rapture” was introduced centuries ago among other false teachings of the Scofield Bible. This particular doctrine remains in many Christian churches today. The truth about this was taught by Jesus in the parable of the wheat and tares. Only when the wheat is fully ripe will it be time to separate the tares lest being small, some of the wheat would be lost among the tares. At that time, the tares are removed from the standing wheat, gathered together, and burned. Only following the tares being burned is the wheat harvested. The righteous remain because it is only the wicked “tares” who are cast into Satan’s “fire”. The righteous help remove the wicked, as do those who died in faith that are raised from the grave. Other spiritual events occur, but only afterwards.

    • Irjakaarina

      Wake up people, fear is not the best place to live with. Think positive and you will see things start to look better and you will find hopeful things going on in the world.

    • King of Shambhala

      I’m sorry that I’m going to cramp the styles and ruin the show for all the false christs who are infesting these comments.
      I’m the only one worldwide in the world revealing the following message which makes me the Messiah.
      Obama’s the Antichrist because on the day after his election, the lottery in Obama’s homestate drew the 666 Mark of the Beast which, as everybody knows, is the Antichrist.
      This is the Apocalypse.
      So hurry to also reveal it.
      You’ll be chosen and go to heaven.
      But hurry to stand up and be one of us.

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