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A Literal Translation of Revelation 12:7-10:

7. “And there was strife in the heavens (1); [one] who is like El (2) and his messengers (3) fought against the serpent beast (4) and the serpent beast and his messengers fought, 8. but were not strong enough, neither was a place found for them any longer in the heaven. 9. And the great serpent beast was cast – the old snake, (5) (the one being called accuser (6) and adversary), (7) the one deceiving the habitable whole, (8) was cast to (9) the earth, (10) and his messengers, were cast with him.”10.

So, were some of YHWH’s (G-d’s) messengers (Angels) really cast out of Heaven? Answer NO!

While it sounds simple enough and appears to be easy to understand, and at face value seems to indicate that there is truth behind the theory that “messenger beings were cast out of heaven,” there are two very basic reasons why such a miss-understood idea is simply not true, but FALSE!

1). The book of Revelation, from which the idea is developed, does not support the theory that any celestial messengers were cast out of heaven, that is, the perceived abode or dwelling place of the Supreme Almighty Sovereign Creator YHWH (Yahweh). The writer “John” was told when he was given the Revelation, that all of it was a Revelation of “things which must shortly come to pass,” Rev.1: 1; the time was beginning at about AD 67, which is the approximate time the book of Revelation was written. To use this passage in order to prove an imaginary event, or as proof for a prophecy of something that was supposed to have happened sometime before creation, cannot be supported, therefore, that idea must fall.

The identity of this “dragon” which is referenced to a mystical, allegorical, snake like beast is actually a reference to the corrupted religious system that was “looked down upon.” This is suggested by the etymology of the Greek word “dragon” as is revealed in Rev. 12:10. The dragon or “serpent beast” is defined as the “accuser of our Brethren.” The “accuser” of “our brethren” during the time which John was writing Revelation, was the Edomite Priesthood, together with the Scribes and Pharisees, who are called snakes by Yahshua, (Matt. 23: 33). This corrupted Religious System, supported by the Roman occupation, had infiltrated and usurped the Lawful Yahudi Religious authority. They were using the pagan Roman occupation of Jerusalem, to condemned thousands of believers in Yahshua’s message of the Kingdom of YHWH to death. Verses 7-9 simply reveal to us, that the “power” of this evil pagan system using the diabolical ferocity of the Roman system to kill believers, all took full root after 70 AD, though imperfect as it had become. The terrestrial messengers following “Michael” who overcame the mystical “Dragon” did it not by arrows, bullets, or military might, but … “by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.” Rev. 12: 11.

The struggle was one for power and for control of the Religious authority, i.e. the high or upper (heavenly) realm. The old Yahudi sacrificial system was in the process of becoming replaced by the “renewed Covenant” through Messiah, Heb. 8: 13. The false leaders of the passing priesthood system were struggling for their very survival. The ultimate result – TRUTH in Yahshua, will eventually always prevail! The early followers of Messiah, the first fruits, overcame the “Dragon” (the snake beast) which was the corrupted Pharisee Religious system.

This victory came at great personal loss, the lives, of many of the early believers in Yahshua. However, because of their faithfulness, the corrupted “high authority” (heaven), that which was “looked on” came crashing down to earth…”was cast down to earth, reality” (stripped from their high place of religious authority “…neither was a place found of them any longer in the heaven.” Rev. 12: 8.

2). The second reason why the commonly believed idea of “fallen celestial messengers” cannot be true, is that it is obvious from Psalms 148: 2-5, that celestial messengers were specially created as celestial entities to serve their Master, the Almighty Sovereign Creator Yahweh (YHWH)….”He commanded and they were Created”….Messengers…hosts…sun…moon…stars…heavens…and waters……. We are told: “Thou hast created all things and for thy pleasure they are and were created,” Rev. 4:11. The purpose of the special creation of celestial messengers by Yahweh are to serve their Almighty Sovereign Creator.

It is not realistic to assume that Yahweh the Almighty Sovereign Creator created one bad “celestial messenger” and one good one, and one bad, and so on. NO….. He created them all perfect, immortal, celestial messenger beings, the likes of which we hope to be some day. If it were possible for “celestial messengers” to sin, then what is the value for us of being made “like unto the messengers”? Why even resist sin at all in this life, supposedly secure in the hope, that we will be made like unto the messengers, (Luke 20:35) if we are simply exchanging one sinful nature for another? This cannot be the case at all, for Yahweh created these pure spiritual celestial beings, who at times by the way, are given great power to do justice, to kill, and destroy, to be in His presence, and to serve him. Habakkuk says about Yahweh…”Thou art of purer eyes than to behold evil and canst not look on iniquity.” (Hab.1: 13). There were never “bad” or wicked angels in Heaven, all are pure, and obey their Creator completely, doing His will at all times.

It is quite clear that the “celestial messengers” that are in the presence of the Father were AND ARE, pure, sinless, and immortal beings. They are created to do the expressed will of the Father, and will not deviate from it. There could never have been messengers thrown out of heaven for sinning or rebelling against the Father, their Creator and Supreme Authority. It is impossibility…. It did not happen.

Conclusion

John, in Revelation 12, is writing about the “soon” to come 70 AD destruction of the accuser, the Serpent Beast, the metaphorical “dragon,” a metaphor used by John to describe the corrupted Edomite Priesthood, the Scribes and Pharisees, (the corrupted Religious authority) and its terrestrial “false” messengers (angels). “…. I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Yahudim, and are not, but a gathering of the Adversary.” (Rev. 2: 9).

The reference to the phrase “the heaven” is not referring to the place, abode, or dwelling place of the Almighty Creator Yahweh, but is a reference to that which is “above,” as in the ruling religious authority. Like the unbelievers of Ancient times during Moses, these adversaries, or false “terrestrial mortal messengers,” will be cast down into the earth from their “high place of authority” (heaven) waiting in the earth (the grave), for their ultimate demise of Judgment for good or, for evil, (2 Cor. 5:10).

To read the complete document of this “false” belief, see:

http://assemblyoftrueisrael.com/Documents/Warinheaven.pdf/

 

 



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    • The Watcher

      NO RELIGION IS REQUIRED! THERE IS NO HELL OR SATAN! 80% OF THE BIBLE IS FALSE! THERE IS NO JUDGEMENT! EVERYBODY GOES TO HEAVEN TO BE WITH GOD! EVEN LUCIFER IS IN HEAVEN! THERE WILL BE NO RAPTURE! TIBERIUS JULIUS ABDES PANTERA WAS THE FATHER OF THE BASTARD JESUS BY RAPING AN UNDERAGE MARY! IF WE END ALL LIFE ON EARTH, GOD OR JESUS WILL NOT STOP IT! WE TAKE WHAT WE CREATE!

      • Alan Schuetz

        Wow! That’s about as much garbage as the article itself! SMH

        * Only belief in Joshua the Messiah (Heb. Yehoshu’a HaMashiach/Gr. ‘Iesous Christos) is required; the Holy Spirit was sent to be our Helper and Teacher.
        
* Gehenna and Belial are REAL!

        * Less than 1% of the Bible is false — including additions and subtractions. Key words in study Bibles: “not found in early mss” (=manuscripts). Esther makes NO MENTION of God and was not found among the Dead Sea Scrolls (DSS). 1 Enoch and Jubilees were the third and sixth most frequent manuscripts discovered among the DSS; see https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_Sea_Scrolls#Biblical_books_found. Jude quotes 1 Enoch. Jasher was also excluded yet mentioned in the OT among others.
* Heaven is NOT the domain of humans — only the Elohim! True believers will tabernacle with Christ in New Jerusalem on the New Earth.

        * Lucifer is a manufactured name by the RCC; his name is Belial.

        * There will be a “gathering of the elect” (=chosen ones) AFTER the Tribulation.
        
* “Jesus” is the transliteration from the Latin — NOT the translation! His Name is Yehoshu’a, ‘Iesous, or Joshua, and He was certainly conceived of the Holy Spirit on the Feast of New Oil in 5 CE and born on the Feast of Weeks in 6 CE during the census of Quirinius (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Census_of_Quirinius) when Herod Archelaus (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herod_Archelaus) was “King of the Jews” (ruler of Judea). Herod the Great died a decade before. The Herods were Edomites (descendants of Esau).
        
* Yahoah (true pronunciation of the Tetragrammaton) was the firstborn of Creation; everything was created through and for Him, and through Him ALL things hold together! He was born incarnate as Yehoshu’a (=Yahoah saves). According to Reuben Alcalay, a famous Hebrew lexicographer, Yehoshu’a is closely related to “Let there be…” In Koine Greek, His Name is ‘Iaw (iota-alpha-omega); He is truly the beginning and end…

    • Denway

      I’m sorry but what you write does not in anyway match how the bible really reads. It might help if you used a more modern bible translation. According to the New International Version, which I will use throughout, Rev 12:7-12 reads: “Then war broke out in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back. But he was not strong enough, and they lost their place in heaven. The great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him. Then I heard a loud voice in heaven say: “Now have come the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God, and the authority of his Messiah. For the accuser of our brothers and sisters, who accuses them before our God day and night, has been hurled down. They triumphed over him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony; they did not love their lives so much as to shrink from death.  Therefore rejoice, you heavens and you who dwell in them! But woe to the earth and the sea, because the devil has gone down to you! He is filled with fury, because he knows that his time is short.”

      The heavens are indeed the dwelling place of Jehovah god and his angels (messengers) but as it clearly says Satan and his ‘angels’ were cast out of heaven. You say, quote, “To use this passage in order to prove an imaginary event, or as proof for a prophecy of something that was supposed to have happened sometime before creation, cannot be supported, therefore, that idea must fall.” Where do you get the idea that this is a prophecy of something that was suppose to happen in the past? You just got done quoting John 1:3 that, quoting your own words, “The writer “John” was told when he was given the Revelation, that all of it was a Revelation of “things which must shortly come to pass,” If it was going to shortly take place how could it have happened ‘before creation’? You seem to be contradicting yourself right from the start of your argument.

      The identity of the ‘dragon’ of Rev. 12 you identify, quoting your words,”The identity of this “dragon” which is referenced to a mystical, allegorical, snake like beast is actually a reference to the corrupted religious system that was “looked down upon.” The bible actually identifies this dragon right there in verse 9 when it says: “The great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him”.
      Jesus identified Satan as ‘the ruler of this world’ that we now live in on several occasions. At Luke 4:5, for example, it reads: “The devil led him (Jesus) up to a high place and showed him in an instant all the kingdoms of the world. And he said to him, “I will give you all their authority and splendor; it has been given to me, and I can give it to anyone I want to. If you worship me, it will all be yours.” Jesus answered, “It is written: ‘Worship the Lord your God and serve him only.’” Even at this time Satan was in control of ‘all’ the kingdoms (governments) of this world. This is why 1John 5:19 says: “We know that we are children of God, and that the whole world is under the control of the evil one”.
      1John 3:8 reads: “The one who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil’s work”. Satan got his start in the Garden of Eden when he rebelled against his creator by getting Adam and Eve to sin.

      And yes, there have been evil angels since the time of the world flood in Noah’s day. 2Peter 2:4-6 reads: “For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell, putting them in chains of darkness to be held for judgment; if he did not spare the ancient world when he brought the flood on its ungodly people, but protected Noah, a preacher of righteousness, and seven others;…”. Jesus on many occasions expelled demons from individuals when he was on earth, you only have to read through the gospels.

      It is quite true that Satan and the other angels were created perfect, as was Adam and Even, Jehovah god did not create anyone evil. However, Satan and Adam, and all created beings were also created with ‘free will’ to be able to chose their own way in life. Why was there a ‘tree of life’ in the Garden that was the only tree Adam and Eve were not allowed to eat from? In time, after proving their faithfulness to their creator they would have been allowed to eat, but not before. The book of James in the bible says: “ When tempted, no one should say, “God is tempting me.” For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does he tempt anyone; but each person is tempted when they are dragged away by their own evil desire and enticed”. Satan sinned when he desired to become like his creator and deceived Adam and Eve into sinning with him. In other words when he acted on his wrong desires. We all have wrong desires but they do not become a sin until we act upon them. And actually, the bible shows that Adam was not deceived, 1Tim 2: 14 saying: “And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner”. Adam just willfully chose to side with his wife.

      I am sorry, but it was possible, and it did happen!

      • Yochannan

        You didn’t visit the website did you? If you would have, you would NOT have written something this stupid. The Almighty Sovereign Creator Power of all that exists, and the one that I serve, who’s name is YHWH is in complete control of all of His Creation. If this is not true with your god you might consider a new god to worship. The messenger beings were created to serve the Almighty, they are beings that cannot die, and cannot and would not sin against him,. . . . .ever.

        • Alan Schuetz

          But, the Watchers certainly did… They descended at Mount Hermon, they married human women, and their progeny were giants (Nephilim).

          Genesis 6:1 Now it came about, when men began to multiply on the face of the land, and daughters were born to them, 2 that the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves, whomever they chose. 3 Then the Lord said, “My Spirit shall not strive with man forever, because he also is flesh; nevertheless his days shall be one hundred and twenty years.” 4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men, and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown. (NASB)

          The Book of 1 Enoch provides many more details… http://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/boe/boe009.htm

      • hey

        apataō, translated ‘decieved’. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

        And Adam was not ‘wholly seduced’, but the woman, being wholly seduced, stepped way over the line.

    • Gina

      This is a fair assessment. The “literalists” do not understand that prophesies have many metaphors, and they are defined by their usage in the OT. We have to go back to their first use to get the meaning. Once we know how the word or phrase was originally used in the scriptures, then we know that it was always used that way in the other prophesies, even throughout the NT.

      In Lev. 26:19 Moses was warning the children of Israel about consequences of breaking God’s commandments and said,

      “And I will break the pride of your power; and I will make your heaven as iron, and your earth as brass:” “Your heaven” was their heaven – those who held the rule and authority of the children of Israel which at that time was the Levitical priesthood. “Your earth” was their earth – the people under the ruling authority.

      Deu. 32:1, “Give ear, O ye heavens, and I will speak; and hear, O earth, the words of my mouth.”

      Moses was not calling on God in heaven above to hear him. He was speaking to the children /tribes of Israel, and called two groups of the people: “ye heavens” were those that held dominion and rule over the people; and “O earth” were those people under the authority / dominion of the rulers of that nation.

      These words were used in many prophesies so we have to always find out which nation was being warned of God’s judgment to know which “heaven” and which “earth” needed to repent.

      In his call to Judah and Jerusalem Isaiah said in Isa. 1:2, ” Hear, O heavens, and give ear, O earth: for the LORD hath spoken, I have nourished and brought up children, and they have rebelled against me.”

      The heavens of this prophesies were the kings of Judah, who lived in the capital city of Jerusalem. the earth of this prophesy were the people of that land, those under the authority of the kings of Judah.

      The kings held dominion and rule over the people and were a type of heaven as they typified God’s dominion and rule over all the earth. The kings held dominion and rule over a portion of the earth, and the borders of their dominion were the borders of their kingdom.

      Isa. 13:1 identified the nation of Babylon for the warning of God. In Isa. 13:5 we see, :

      “They come from a far country, from the end of heaven, even the LORD, and the weapons of his indignation, to destroy the whole land.”

      As the prophet spoke to the warn the nation / king of Babylon, then the “end of heaven” was the borders of that kingdom – the borders of Babylon. The “whole land” was the entirety of the land under that dominion and rule of Babylon. It did not apply to the entire earth.

      So we always have to identify the prophet and who the prophet was warning. Therefore in Revelation, who was the prophet and which nation was He warning?

      Christ was the prophet, and we remember that Christ was sent to the lost sheep of the house of Israel (Matt. 15:24). Therefore, the heaven(s) of Revelation were those who were in authority over the nation / people of Judea / Palestine – the remnant of Israel. At the time Revelation was written – approx. AD 66-68 – the ruling authority was the Sanhedrin consisting of the Sadduccees and Pharisees, as well as the ruling authority over them.

      Palestine and Judea were a province of Rome during that first century A.D. So the heavens included the king of Judea, and his king or ruler, Caesar. Being thrown down to “earth” meant that the rulers / authorities of that dominion would be removed from power. The “earth” was the land of Judea.

      See more at my blog https://ShreddingTheVeil.org in the posts “Heaven and Earth Have Passed Away” as well as “Revelation: The Four Corners of the Earth”.

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