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Bombshell Video: "The Holocaust is the Biggest and Most Persistent Lie in History" - German Woman Appears on TV and Annihilates the Official Story

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In 2015, Ursula Haverbeck made history in a defiant interview in which she threw down the gauntlet to the biggest taboo of our times. Revisionism . . . on German TV! A seismic event.

Will Ursula Haverbeck go to jail for these statements of historical fact?  Why are there laws forbidding the examination of history?

See my other post on this Shocking Video on White Genocide

Credit to RedIceCreations.com for finding this!

See also Hellstorm: Exposing the Real Genocide of Nazi Germany

You might also like: History is Written By the Victors: Adolf Hitler – The Greatest Story Never Told (Rated over 8 out of 10 by over 800 IMDB Ratings!)

 



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    • truthlovingsoul

      ursula’s video will not play for me, just a spinning circle there….

      • truthlovingsoul

        i tried the redice link you posted also and same thing there.
        i went to yt and found her story in german only.
        too bad.
        i know the “holocaust” was not what we have been taught and it is even more obvious when we take into account the criminalization of asking questions about it! lol but i wish i could hear her story.
        god bless this woman.

        • truthlovingsoul

          after much trouble with yt to get english captions, i am watching there now.
          thank you for posting.
          peace.

        • ExposeTheTruth

          Nazi Propaganda was Based on What Zionists Said!

          Zionism and Anti-Semitism- 
          “We implore and beseech our Jewish brethren to realize that the Zionists are not the saviors of the Jewish People and guarantors of their safety, but rather the instigators and original cause of Jewish suffering in the Holy Land and worldwide. The idea that Zionism and the State of “Israel” is the protector of Jews is probably the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on the Jewish People. Indeed, where else since 1945 have Jews been in such physical danger as in the Zionist state?!”

          As far as Zionism is concerned, the founder of Zionism and apostate, Theodor Herzl, sought to intensify hatred of the Jew in order to enhance the cause of political Zionism. Here are some of his “pearls”:

          “It is essential that the sufferings of Jews. . . become worse. . . this will assist in realization of our plans. . .I have an excellent idea. . . I shall induce anti-semites to liquidate Jewish wealth. . . The anti-semites will assist us thereby in that they will strengthen the persecution and oppression of Jews. The anti-semites shall be our best friends”. (From his Diary, Part I, pp. 16)

          http://www.truetorahjews.org/naziismzionism

      • sean

        Don’t know if I would call it the Biggest..or Just Another Lie of MANY!

        Obama’s real mother forget what you have already been told

        http://moralmatters.org/2013/05/10/obamas-real-mother-forget-what-you-have-already-been-told/

        http://terribletruth.marthatrowbridgeradio.org/blog/

        Malcolm X Exposed As A Homosexual Rapist And Prostitute

        GUESSING WHEN THIS WAS WRITTEN, THERE WAS NO INFORMATION ON WAHHABISM OR A CONNECTION TO OBAMA..out of the Mouth of the “Jewish Task Force”

        http://www.jtfarchive.org/america/america.malcolm.x.homosexual.htm

        2002 Iraqi Intel Reported Wahhabis Are of Jewish Origin

        D. Mustafa Turan wrote, in The Donmeh Jews, that Muhammad ibn Abdul Wahhab was a descendant of a family of Donmeh Jews from “Turkey”.

        The Donmeh were descendants of followers of the infamous false-messiah of Judaism, Shabbetai Zevi, who shocked the Jewish world in 1666 by converting to Islam. Viewing it as a sacred mystery, Zevi’s followers imitated his conversion to Islam, though secretly keeping to their Kabbalistic doctrines.

        In Europe, the Shabbeteans were eventually led a century later by Jacob Frank, claiming to be a reincarnation of Zevi. And, according to Rabbi Antelman in To Eliminate the Opiate, to them belonged the Rothschilds who had a hand in the founding of the Bavarian Illuminati.

        The Donmeh community of “Turkey” were concentrated in the city of Salonika, which became a hotbed of Masonic activity, and from which the Young Turk movement evolved, which aided in the collapse of the Muslim empire of the Ottoman Turks. There is evidence that Ataturk himself, the Founder of the modern Turkish state, was of Donmeh origin as well.

        Turan maintains that Abdul Wahhab’s grandfather, Sulayman was actually Shulman, having belonged to the Jewish community of Bursa in Turkey. From there he settled in Damascus

        http://www.terrorism-illuminati.com/blog/2002-iraqi-intel-reported-wahhabis-are-jewish-origin

        The Assad family in Syria originates from Sulayman/Shulman al-Wahhish, Hafez Assad’s grandfather, who lived in the northern Syrian mountains in the village of Qardaha. The locals reportedly nicknamed him Wahhish, which means Wild Beast in Arabic. Sulayman Al-Wahhish remained the family name until the 1920s when it was changed to al-Assad

        In the Kingdom of the Blind – The One Eyed Man shall be King

        http://wakeupfromyourslumber.com/kingdom-blind-one-eyed-man-shall-be-king/

        What Really Happened To Natalee Holloway

        http://67.225.133.110/~gbpprorg/judicial-inc/Joran_va_der_sloot.htm

        Hitler ‘had Jewish and African/Egyptian roots’, DNA tests show

        http://www.telegraph.co.uk/history/world-war-two/7961211/Hitler-had-Jewish-and-African-roots-DNA-tests-show.html

        Bryan Mark Rigg, Ph.D. has written a book called Hitler’s Jewish Soldiers, which deals with the 1,200 German officers, of “Jewish descent”

        Rigg, who spent seven years researching his book, estimates that at least 150,000 men of Jewish origin served in the German army during World War II including the Heads of the SS and Gestapo

        The Real Auschwitz

        http://judicial-inc-archive.blogspot.com/2010/06/real-auschwitz-original-title.html

        American Nazi party leader turns out to be Jewish

        http://judicial-inc-archive.blogspot.cz/2011/02/american-nazi-party-leader-turns-out-to.html

        French Report ISIL(ISIS) Leader Al-Baghdadi Jewish Mossad Agent!

        https://socioecohistory.wordpress.com/2014/08/06/french-report-isilisis-leader-al-baghdadi-jewish-mossad-agent/

        Hitler Was A Rothschild And So Is His Daughter Angela

        http://www.localterror.com/hitler-was-a-rothschild-and-so-is-hitlers-daughter-angela-merkel/

        The Mysterious Genealogy of Russian President Putin

        http://archive.today/1x0Y

        Putin relies on Jewish officers from ‘Israel’ to suppress Russian military uprising in Moscow

        http://kavkazcenter.com/eng/content/2010/11/06/12759.shtml

        All in the Family: David Cameron’s Jewish Roots and the Coreligionists Who Brought Him to Power

        http://empirestrikesblack.com/2014/01/all-in-the-family-david-camerons-jewish-roots-and-the-coreligionists-who-brought-him-to-power/

        Hitler shock: Hair DNA shows Eva Braun had Jewish roots

        http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/hitler-shocker-hair-dna-shows-eva-braun-jewish-roots-article-1.1746666

        Churchill-Jacobson, Roosevelt-Rosenfelt, Stalin-Djugashvili-Jewison, Eisenhower-Eisenhaur

        http://servv89pn0aj.sn.sourcedns.com/~gbpprorg/judicial-inc/Bush_Mossad11.htm

        Nicolas Sarkozy admits Jewish ancestry, French press reveals ties to Israeli intelligence

        http://theuglytruth.wordpress.com/2010/10/27/nicolas-sarkozy-admits-jewish-ancestry-french-press-reveals-ties-to-israeli-intelligence/

        Muslim Brotherhood created by British Intelligence

        http://www.topix.com/forum/world/singapore/TO7CKPL7NRF1QKSEV#!

        Adam Weishaupt on the U.S Dollar

        http://truthabouttupac.com/photo/adam-weishaupt-on-the-u-s-dollar?xg_source=activity

        Jesuits of Jewish Ancestry…A Biographical Dictionary

        https://sites.google.com/a/jewishjesuits.com/www/

        The first Jesuits were crypto-Jews

        http://israelect.com/reference/WillieMartin/Ignatius_Loyola.htm

        THE BIG SECRET – THEY’RE ALL JEWS

        http://aanirfan.blogspot.co.uk/2014/07/the-big-secret-theyre-all-jews.html

        Jewish Al-Sisi Runs Egypt; Now an Israeli-Occupied Territory

        http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/09/16/al-sisi-jew/

        The History of Jewish Human Sacrifice

        http://www.thewatcherfiles.com/jewish_sacrifice.htm

        Jews admit ritual consumption of Muslim and Christian children’s blood to gain success in life

        http://kavkazcenter.com/eng/content/2012/04/09/16080.shtml

        Mossad Mercenaries Believed Responsible for Ukraine Massacre

        http://americanfreepress.net/?p=18333

        Harry Solomon Truman

        http://67.225.133.110/~gbpprorg/judicial-inc/6_18..harry_solomon_truman.htm

        CHINESE REVOLUTION THE BIGGEST GENOCIDE ON PLANET EARTH , COMMUNISM AND THE JEWS , MAO TSE TUNG AND ROTHSCHILD FUNDS

        http://abundanthope.net/pages/Political_Information_43/CHINESE-REVOLUTION-THE-BIGGEST-GENOCIDE-ON-PLANET-EARTH-COMMUNISM-AND-THE-JEWS-MAO-TSE-TUNG-AND-ROTHSCHILD-FUNDS-CAPT-AJIT-VADAKAYIL.shtml

        Former Iran president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is secretly … Jewish

        http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/iran-president-mahmoud-ahmadinejad-secretly-jewish-article-1.201768

        Leaked report: Israel acknowledges Jews in fact Khazars; Secret plan for reverse migration to Ukraine

        http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/leaked-report-israel-acknowledges-jews-in-fact-khazars-secret-plan-for-reverse-migration-to-ukraine/

        ZIONISM. Britain’s royal family is 100% Jewish

        http://www.kavkazcenter.com/eng/content/2013/06/28/17989.shtml

        The Media Is Jewish

        http://www.goodnewsaboutgod.com/studies/political/jews/media_jewish.htm

        Israel-Did-911

        https://ehpg.wordpress.com/israel-did-911/

        Jewish Communists
        Many thanks for this list of Jewish communists which was compiled by Michael A. Hoffman II

        V.I. Lenin, supreme dictator.

        Leon Bronstein (Trotsky): supreme commander of the Soviet Red Army.

        Grigory Apfelbaum (Zinoviev): executive, Soviet Secret Police. S

        olomon Lozovsky: deputy Soviet foreign minister.

        Maxim Wallach (Litvinov): Soviet foreign minister.

        Yuri Andropov: director, Soviet KGB, later supreme dictator of the Soviet Union.

        Jacob Sverdlov: first president of the Soviet Union. Sverdlov ordered the massacre of the Czar’s family-women and children-in the town named after Catherine the Great, Yekaterinburg, (renamed Sverdlovsk in 1924 in honor of the murderer).

        Jacob Yurovsky: commander, Soviet Secret Police. Yurovsky led the death squad which carried out Sverdlov’s order for the murder of the Czar’s family, including the bayoneting to death of the Czar’s daughters. The Ipatyev house, where, in the basement, the massacre had occurred, stood intact until 1977, when the local Communist party boss at that time, Boris Yeltsin, ordered it demolished, lest it become a shrine to anti-Jewish sentiment.

        Lazar Moiseyevich Kaganovich chief mass murderer for Stalin, ordered the deaths of millions and the wholesale destruction of Christian monuments and churches, including the great Cathedral of Christ the Savior. Standing amid the rubble of the cathedral, Kaganovich proclaimed, “Mother Russia is cast down. We have ripped away her skirts.” (N.Y. Times, Sept. 26, 1995).

        Mikhail Kaganovich: deputy commissar of heavy industry, supervisor of slave labor, brother of Lazar. Rosa Kaganovich: Stalin’s mistress; sister of Lazar. Paulina Zhemchuzina: member of the Central Committee and wife of Soviet Foreign Minister Molotov.

        Olga Bronstein: officer, Soviet Cheka Secret Police, sister of Trotsky, wife of Kamenev.

        Genrikh Yagoda: chief of Soviet Secret Police, mass murderer extraordinaire. (Jewish poet Romain Rolland, winner of the Nobel Prize, wrote a hymn of praise to Yagoda).

        Matvei Berman and Naftaly Frenkel: founders, the Gulag death camp system.

        Lev Inzhir, commissar for Soviet death camp transit and administration.

        Boris Berman: executive officer of the Soviet Secret Police and brother of Matvei. K.V. Pauker: chief of operations, Soviet NKVD Secret Police.

        Firin, Rappoport, Kogan, Zhuk: commissars of death camps and slave labor, supervised the mass deaths of laborers during the construction of the White Sea-Baltic Canal.

        M.I. Gay: commander, Soviet Secret Police.

        Slutsky and Shpiegelglas: commanders, Soviet Secret Police.

        Isaac Babel: officer, Soviet Secret Police.

        Leiba Lazarevich Feldbin (Aleksandr Orlov): commander, Soviet Red Army; officer, Soviet Secret Police. Feldbin was chief of Soviet Security in the Spanish Civil War. He supervised the massacre of Catholic priests and peasants in Spain.

        Yona Yakir: general, Soviet Red Army, member of the Central Committee.

        Dimitri Shmidt: general, Soviet Red Army.

        Yakov (“Yankel”) Kreiser: general, Soviet Red Army.

        Miron Vovsi: general, Soviet Red Army.

        David Dragonsky: general, Soviet Red Army, Hero of the Soviet Union.

        Grigori Shtern: general, Soviet Red Army.

        Mikhail Chazkelevich: general, Soviet Red Army.

        Shimon Kirvoshein: general, Soviet Red Army.

        Arseni Raskin: deputy-commander, Soviet Red Army.

        Haim Fomin, commander of Brest-Litovsk, Soviet Red Army. At least one hundred Soviet generals were Jewish (cf. Canadian Jewish News, April 19, 1989).

        Generals who were not themselves Jewish often had Jewish wives. Among these were Marshal Voroshilov, Marshal Bulganin, Marshal Peresypkin and General Pavel Sudoplatov (Sudoplatov assassinated hundreds of Christian leaders including Ukranian Catholic Archbishop Teodor Romzha). This Jewish wife “insurance policy” extended to Politburo members such as Andrei Andreyev and Leonoid Brezhnev.

        Sergei Eisenstein: director of communist propaganda films which depicted Christian peasants (kulaks) as hideous, money-grabbing parasites. The kulaks were subsequently massacred. (Cf. for example Eisenstein’s Bezhin Meadow).

        KOMZET: commission for the settlement of Jewish Communists on land seized from murdered Christians in Ukraine; funded by Jewish-American financier Julius Rosenwald.

        Ilya Ehrenburg, Minister of Soviet Propaganda and disseminator of anti-German hate material dating from the 1930s. Ehrenburg instigated the Soviet Red Army rape and murder of German civilians. Referring to German women, Ehrenburg gloated to the advancing Red Army troops, “that blonde hag is in for a bad time.”

        In a leaflet addressed to Soviet troops, Ehrenburg wrote: “…the Germans are not human beings…nothing gives us so much joy as German corpses.”(Anatol Goldberg, Ilya Ehrenburg, p. 197). Goldberg concedes that Ehrenburg, “…had always disliked the Germans…now that there was a war on he turned his old prejudice into an asset.”(Ibid., p. 193).
        Another publication distributed to the Red Army, this time as the soldiers approached Danzig, was described by a historian: “Millions of leaflets were air-dropped on the troops with a message composed by the propagandist Ilya Ehrenburg and signed by Stalin: ‘Soldiers of the Red Army! Kill the Germans! Kill all Germans! Kill! Kill! Kill!” (Christopher Duffy, Red Storm on the Reich).
        The Soviet leadership acknowledged that Ehrenburg sought the extermination of the entire German people (cf. Pravda, April 14, 1945. [Pravda was also published in a Yiddish edition, Einikeyt). Ehrenburg won the Order of Lenin and the Stalin Prize. He willed his papers to the Israeli Yad Vashem 'Holocaust' Museum.

        Solomon Mikhoels: commissar of Soviet propaganda.

        Soviet film propagandists:

        Mark Donsky,

        Leonid Lukov, Y

        uli Reisman,

        Vasily Grossman,

        Yevgeny Gabrilovich,

        Boris Volchok

        and Lillian Hellman (old movies written by her continue to be broadcast on American telelvision).

        Soviet propagandist: Yevgeny Khaldei who staged the photo of the raising of the hammer and sickle flag over the Reichstag in Berlin, May 2, 1945. Afterward, a special plane was waiting to fly Khaldei, Stalin's top Tass photographer, to a Moscow lab, where his photo was further doctored (loot displayed on one of the Soviet soldier's wrists was removed in the negative and Khaldei added clouds and smoke to the scene for dramatic effect (see photo of Khaldei and his beloved flag at left). Khaldei continued to work as a premier Soviet propagandist until his retirement from Pravda in 1972. His Communist propaganda is proudly on display at the Jewish Museum of New York and the Jewish Museum of San Francisco. N.Y. Times writer Vicki Goldberg exulted in the raising of the blood-drenched Soviet flag, emblem of the slaughter of millions of peasants and Christians; describing it as, "...a national (and worldwide) symbol of triumph, justice and revenge." (Jan. 31, 1997, p. B-26).

        Jewish Anti-Fascist Committee (JAC): new form of the Bolshevik YEVKOM, Stalin's recruiting conduit for funding money, supplies and political influence for Soviet Russia from world Jewry as well as the dissemination of gas chamber atrocity propaganda (cf. The Black Book).

        Nikolai Bukharin: Lenin's chief theorist.

        Samuel Agursky: commissar.

        Karl Radek: member, Central Committee.

        Mikhail Gruzenberg (Borodin) commissar.

        A.A. Yoffe: commissar.

        David Ryazanov: advisor to Lenin.

        Lev Grigorievich Levin: physician, poisoner of Stalin's enemies.

        Lev Rosenfeld (Kamenev): member of the Central Committee.

        Ivan Maisky: Soviet Ambassador to Britain. Itzik Solomonovich Feffer: commissar, Soviet Secret Police.

        Abraham Sutskever: Soviet terrorist-partisan.

        Mark Osipovich Reizen: Soviet propagandist, winner of three Stalin Prizes.

        Lev Leopold Trepper: Soviet espionage officer.

        Bela Kun (Kohen): supreme dictator of Hungary in 1919. Kun was later Stalin's chief terrorist in the Crimea.

        Zakharovich Mekhlis: top executioner for Stalin.

        Henrykas Zimanas: leader of Lithuanian communist terrorists, butcher of Christians.

        Moshe Pijade (sometimes spelled Piade): commander, Yugoslav Communist People's Army. Tito's top butcher of hundreds of thousands of Croatian Christians. Pijade later served as president of the Yugoslav Communist Parliament. At least eighteen generals in the Yugoslav Communist People's Army were Jewish. The Yugoslavian communist party sent massive arms shipments to Jewish fighters in Palestine in the 1940s.

        In post-war Poland that nation was completely dominated by Jewish communists: the torturer Jacek Rozanski, head of the Secret Police; the Politboro commander Jacob Berman (pictured at right) and commissars Minc, Specht (Olszewski) and Spychalski. These men murdered or deported to Kolyma and the other Arctic death camps, tens of thousands of Catholic Poles.

        According to Jewish researcher John Sack, "In 1945 many Poles felt (and not without reason) that Jews ran the Office of State Security...the chief of the Office was Jacob Berman, a Jew, and all or almost all the department heads were Jews." Sack reports that 75% of the officers of the Communist Secret Police in Silesia were Jews. He noted that many Jews in the Communist terror apparatus in Poland changed their names to Polish ones like General Romkowski, Colonel Rozanski, Capt. Studencki and Lt. Jurkowski. (cf. John Sack, The New Republic, Feb. 14, 1994, p. 6. Sack in this article also refutes some shoddy research performed by Daniel Jonah Goldhagen, author of Hitler's Willing Executioners, who, in the double standard typical of the Jewish mentality, refuses to accept the proven fact that Jews ran the Polish Communist secret police even as Goldhagen asserts the racist myth that the entire German nation was guilty of genocide. Sack does a good job of proving Goldhagen wrong about Poland).

        In Poland, "...a disproportionate number of Communists were Jews. In 1930, at its peak, 35% of the members of the party were Jewish. In Communist youth organizations, Jewish membership was even higher, while Communists of Jewish origin occupied most of the seats on the central committee. Communism appealed to some Jews because it opposed anti-Semitism more vigorously than any other Polish party...Jewish Communists reached their apogee in the years immediately after World War Two, when the party leadership was totally in the hands of the prewar Communist leadership that abhorred anti-Semitism." (Sheldon Kirshner, The Canadian Jewish News, Nov. 5, 1992, p. 16).
        Of course when one encounters the issue of Jews, Communists and Catholics in Poland in the Establishment media or universities today, the mass murder of the Polish Catholics at the hands of the Jewish Communists, is never raised. Instead, a minor attack on Jews by Polish peasants enraged at the role of Jews in Communist terror, which occurred in July, 1946 at Kielce and which has come to be called the "Kielce pogrom" will be the centerpiece of the "discussion. " The motivation for the attack is not usually mentioned. Rather, the Catholic peasantry are painted in terms of "fiendish bigots" whose "blind, irrational hate" for the "poor, persecuted Jews" resulted in "yet another martyrdom of God's Chosen."

        But the Catholic Primate of Poland at the time, Cardinal Hlond, a brave prelate in a stalwart tradition of Christian resistance to Jewish tyranny in Poland, so different from the traitorous philo-Judaism of the current Pontiff, stated that the attack in Kielce occurred because of resentment 'due to the Jews who today occupy leading positions in Poland's (Communist) government and endeavor to introduce a governmental structure that the majority of Poles do not wish to have." (Ibid., Kirshner).

        As Piotr S. Wandycz of Yale University observes, "The average Pole could not but notice in the Stalinist era that the two most powerful men in the country-Berman and Minc-were both Jewish as was the dreaded security official Rozanski." (N.Y. Review of Books, Aug. 18, 1983, p. 51).

        With this record it is interesting to note that the Polish occupant of the papacy, John Paul II, consistently lent his prestige and his presence to canonizations and commemorations of politically correct victims of the Nazis. Nowhere did this Pope breath a word about the openly Jewish, Communist massacres of Polish Catholics, Spanish Catholics, Croatian Catholics, Lithuanian Catholics-he was too busy, intoning the Shoah, referring to the heirs of the Pharisees as "our Elder Brothers in the Faith" giving official recognition to an Israeli state which even many orthodox, Haredi rabbis regard as a blasphemous and abominable entity, and attacking the German people as "the image of the beast."

        Solomon Morel (pictured at left): commandant of a post-war Communist concentration camp for Germans in Poland. Stalin deliberately put Jews in charge of such camps. Morel tortured and murdered thousands of Germans, sometimes with his bare hands (cf. "The Wrath of Solomon," Village Voice, March 30, 1993 and John Sack, An Eye for an Eye). Morel is comfortably esconsed in Tel Aviv. German survivors of Morel's camp have demanded he be tried as a war criminal, but for the Establishment media and the phony, partisan, "human rights" groups, bringing Morel to justice is simply a non-issue. After all, he murdered helpless Germans, so what's the problem?

        Julius Hammer, M.D.: New York abortionist and co-founder of the American communist party.

        Armand Hammer: fundraiser and financier for Lenin and Stalin, son of Julius.

        Lev Davidovich Landau: Stalinist physicist, co-father of the Soviet atomic bomb.

        Klaus Fuchs: helped steal atomic bomb secrets for Stalin.

        Ruth Werner: colonel, Red Army GRU intelligence, assisted Fuchs.

        Julius and Ethel Rosenberg: stole American atomic bomb secrets for Stalin.

        Morris Cohen (Peter Kroger): assisted the Rosenbergs.

        Markus Wolf: chief of German Communist Stasi Secret Police.

        Howard Fast: American communist propagandist for Stalin.

        David Dubinsky:Stalin's ally, head of the U.S. International Ladies Garment Workers Union.

        Nahum Goldmann: founder, World Jewish Congress, communist propagandist.

        Rabbi Moses Rosen: agent, Romanian communist party.

        Victor Rothschild: top British espionage agent for Stalin.

        Mark Zborowski: "...considered by historians of Soviet terror operations to have been the most fearsome...(Soviet) spy of all time" (Stephen Schwartz, Forward, Jan. 26, 1996). Zborowski, a medical researcher, murdered a dissident with a poisoned orange at the Soviet-run hospital in Paris. Zborowski was implicated in several other assassinations in 1936 and 1937. In the 1940s worked for both the American Jewish Committee and the KGB. In the 1960s Zborowski worked as a medical researcher at Mount Zion Hospital in San Francisco. He trained numerous psychiatrists and medical specialists in the Bay Area. He died in 1990 (cf. "The Strange Case of Doctor Zborowski and Monsieur Etienne" by Philippe Videlier, in Le Monde Diplomatique, Dec. 1992).

        On Oct. 16, 1948, 50,000 Jewish communists turned out in Moscow's Red Square to welcome the first Israeli delegation to Moscow. Stalin supported Zionism's 1947 Palestine partition plan, gave crucial recognition to the newly-created state of Israel and voted for Israel's admission to the United Nations.

        In 1951 communist and Marxist parties had twenty-three seats in the Israeli Knesset. The kibbutz system was the most powerful movement in the country and the most powerful kibbutz leaders were nearly all Marxists. The biggest Israeli holiday was May Day, celebrated with rallies, marches, red banners and red songs.

        As recently as 1987 the Israelis were providing the KGB with American intelligence secrets (cf. UPI dispatch by Richard Sale, Dec. 13, 1987 and The City Paper [Washington, DC], Jan. 15, 1988). Jonathan Jay Pollard was part of one such spy ring. British traitor and Communist spy Kim Philby was assisted in obtaining safe haven in the Soviet Union by the Israeli Mossad (cf. Sunday Telegraph [England], April 16, 1989). This was most appropriate since Philby’s KGB handler in Moscow was also Jewish.

        Romania’s communist regime received favorable trade deals from the U.S. for years due to Israeli pressure on Congress in its behalf (N.Y. Times, Jan. 18, 1992, p. 23). The notion that the Zionist Jewish movement was anti-communist is a fallacy. The truth is more complex. There was a left wing and a right wing within Zionism. The rightists, like the terrorists Jabotinsky and Stern, took a fascist approach. Leftist Zionists like David “I am a Bolshevik” Ben-Gurion admired the Soviet model of Jewish power and sought to incorporate it as the political economy of the Israeli state.

        “National and racial chauvinism is a vestige of the misanthropic customs characteristic of the period of cannibalism. Anti-semitism, as an extreme form of racial chauvinism, is the most dangerous vestige of cannibalism…under USSR law active anti-Semites are liable to the death penalty.” (Stalin, Collected Works, vol. 13, p. 30).

        The African National Congress (ANC) in South Africa was guided by two Communist Jews, Albie Sachs, “one of its foremost intellectuals”( London Sunday Times, Aug. 29, 1993) and Yossel Mashel Slovo (Joe Slovo).

        Slovo was born in a shtetl in Lithuania and grew up speaking Yiddish and studying the Talmud. He joined the ANC’s terrorist wing, the Umkhonto we Sizwe, in 1961 and eventually became its commander. He was named Secretary General of the South African Communist Party in 1986. (“Joe Slovo,” Jewish Chronicle, Jan. 13, 1995).

        Slovo had been the ” planner of many of the ANC terrorist attacks, including the 1983 car bomb that killed 19 people and injured many others… Slovo, who had traveled to the Soviet Union many times, was awarded a Soviet medal on his 60th birthday…Slovo is a dedicated Communist, a Marxist Leninist without morality of any kind, for whom only victory counts, whatever the human cost, whatever the bloodshed…Slovo disputes little of his image as ‘the Communist mastermind’ behind the ANC’s armed struggle. For him the fears of South Africa’s whites are both a measure of the ANC’s growing strength and a crucial factor in hastening what he believes will be its ultimate victory. ‘Revolutionary violence has created the inspirational impact that we had intended, and it has won for the ANC its leading position,’ Slovo said.” (“Rebel Strategist Seeks to End Apartheid,” L.A. Times, Aug. 16, 1987, p. 14). When Nelson Mandela’s ANC took over South Africa, Slovo was named Minister of Housing.

        Nelson Mandela and Joe Slovo give the clenched fist salute in front of the blood-drenched Hammer and Sickle flag of Jewish Bolshevism.

        Slovo, a Yiddish-speaking Lithuanian Jew, was Secretary General of the South African Communist Party and director of the military wing of the ANC, which perpetrated numerous terror bombings against white civilians.

        Mandela was hailed as a great statesman by Britain’s Queen Elizabeth II in her 1996 Christmas message to the realm.

        http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-communists.html#

        Nikola Tesla

        Recent evidence has surfaced detailing that Nikola Tesla was murdered the day after he was visited for an all-day interview with two secret service agents, Reinhardt Galen & Otto Skorzeny. After suffocating him, they stole all of Tesla’s blueprints & papers.

        Otto Skorzeny was Hitler’s bodyguard & also an assassin, one of the many Nazis who ex-filtrated to the USA after WWII, as part of Project Paperclip. Many of these Nazi scientists ended up working for NASA, the CIA, and other US secret services.

        Although he supposedly died in 1975, Skorzeny resurfaced in 1999. In a death-bed confession to the man who was dating his daughter, he revealed the identity of Tesla’s assistant, who was stealing from him.

        This man, he said, known as George Scherff Sr/ German Jew was none other than Prescott Bush – the father of the 41st President of the US, and grandfather of the current President.

        Interestingly, an article published in the Idaho Observer has since been removed – although several copies were made of it before it was taken offline. A copy of the article can be found here:

        http://loveforlife.com.au/content/10/03/…jr-was-41s

        • AntiZionist

          Hitler was a jew? Really? And you link to a telegraph article? That would be like quoting CNN…
          You have much info sean, but this, along with the reptilian neg-blood is just too far for me. My mother is 0-, is she a snake?

        • sean

          @AntiZionist,
          Guess you never read the Article.

          It was from DNA testing of 39 Living Relatives of course they could have just tested Hitler Years ago since He Never Died in that Bunker to begin with!

          Hitler was an A Negative Blood Type, so guessing part of You’re Pharisee Family!

          Obama AB-

          McCain an O-

          Mao an O-..Sitchin an O-..Eisenhower an O-..Nixon an O-..Prince Charles an O-..Queen E an O-..Truman an O-

        • AntiZionist

          I now see why some call you a disinfoagent.

          Hitler kicked the Rotchilds out late in 30`s and thats when the heat turned up. And yes, he might have lived through in Argentine, he had many supporters. But a jew he was NOT.

        • sean

          Sure, Like Putin kicked the Rothschilds out of Russia :lol:

          While the Name Putin can NOT even be traced back beyond the Grandfather, who was the COOK for both Stalin/Jewison and Lenin :oops:

          You keep coming back with..Nothing :lol:

          TRY TO DISTRACT WITH “NOTHING”….YOU’RE WASTING MY TIME!

          “THE “DNA” RESULTS SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES”

          Hitler Was “Jewish” Not that Any of You are Jewish to begin with.

          You’re all MONGOLS..AshkeNAZI Jews..Converted Talmudic Pagans..Khazars as DNA has Proved in 2001 and again in 2012 that was accepted and peer reviewed, but they all Knew from the Start, it was the Argument made by Palestinians and Arabs before Israel became a State..They All Knew Then!

          And they also knew the Palestinians are the Ancient Israelites as DNA has Shown.

          Get Where “NAZI” Came From..

          Khazars are Called,,,AshkeNAZI Jews as Hitler, Stalin, FDR, Truman, Eisenhower and Churchill were ALL AshkeNAZI Jews…get it? AshkeNAZI Jew…..AshkeNAZI…..NAZI

          Even Tojo of Japan who was put in about 3 months before Pearl Harbor WW2 was an AshkeNAZI Jew and belonged to the Masonic Secret Society in Japan.

        • AntiZionist

          Instead of bogus news articles like telegraph, I find justice4germans a better source.

          http://justice4germans.com/2012/10/13/hitler-was-a-jew-a-rothschild-really/

          Oh, and btw, I havent seen my mother shapeshifting, what is wrong with her :?: :lol: :lol:

          Your article on reactorbreach about the neg-blood wasnt a huge hit, was it?????

        • Klemens

          Adolf Hitler The Greatest Story NEVER Told Documentary
          /books/2015/05/adolf-hitler-the-greatest-story-never-told-2491586.html
          :!:

    • RationalSkeptic

      Her man was a nazi, no doubt she is too. Of course she’s a holocaust denier.

      • truthlovingsoul

        skeptic,

        yeah, let’s ignore all the evidence, you bright, shining star, you.

        “i am a robot. i can only regurgitate lies told to me by morons and criminals. does not compute!!!!!”

        there was no extermination of jews. period. the extermination happened to the germans, the armenians, the russians, the ukrainians and on and on and on throughout history AT THE HANDS OF JEWS!!!!

        • dabu

          They all deserved it, as do you!

        • ExposeTheTruth

          Barry Davis Obama is a member of the Octogon Nazi Templars of Switzerland.  Vladimir Putin is under complete Vatican control , along with the United States of America.

          The Superior General of the Jesuit Order, is a Spanish priest of the Roman Catholic Church Adolfo Nicolás, also known as the ‘Black Pope’.  

          The black pope far more powerful than the white Pope and works closely in America with former New York Archbishop Edward Cardinal Egan and his replacement Archbishop Timothy Cardinal Dolan. 

          “”The great strength of our Order lies in its concealment; let it never appear in any place in its own name, but always covered by another name, and another occupation.  None is fitter than the three lower degrees of Freemasonry; the public is accustomed to it, expects little from it, and therefore takes little notice of it.”"

          The Fundamental involvement of the Jesuit Order in world-changing events like the two world wars has rarely been told.  Most blame the’Jewish’ cabal, using the Jews as Scapegoats. Also, goes under the name of Zionism, Neocon’s and other labels.  

          This is an important tool of Masonic Freemasonry, but it is only part of the spider web of lies.  It can never hide the fundamental involvement of the Jesuit hierarchy and the Church of Babylon, (Lucifer / Baphomet aka Sun Worship) now known as the Roman Catholism. Basically, they are all different faces of the same octopus organization.

          *The Knights Templars Are The Jesuit Order*

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mO42IVot2zY

        • SneakySneaker7

          Go to Auschwitz and take a walk around. It’s so massive that it takes a full day to see it all. After that, come back and comment again.

        • truthlovingsoul

          dabu,

          the german civillians deserved to die, huh?
          so when they come for you, because you are american, or whatever you are, and want to kill you for the many crimes committed by your government, you shouldn’t mind.

    • The Watcher

      NEVER HAPPENED!

      • SneakySneaker7

        Go to Auschwitz and take a walk around. its so massive that it takes a full day to see it all. After that, come back and delete your comment.

        • Scanner Darko

          Walking around Auschwitz is supposed to prove something?

        • Mayhem

          By that reasoning Mickey Mouse is real. Well if you walk around Disney-Land it’d be difficult to deny the evidence, wouldn’t it?

          I wonder if they mention that the vents, in the so called gas chambers, were added well after the event and that we have the invoice from the outfit that installed them?

    • Robin Brentwood

      Post America American??? What The …….. America aint dead yet bro!!! God bless America!!!

    • Endtime

      There is much evidence that Hitler was financed by Zionists.
      So who are the Zionists?
      They descended from the Khazars who converted to Judaism, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khazar_theory_of_Ashkenazi_ancestry, who then became the Askkenazi fake Jews, married in among real Jews and attempted to take control of Judaism. Their competitors were the REAL Jews like Hassidim, Sephardim and a few others.

      These the Ashkenazim wanted to get rid of and, therefore, manipulated Hitler to kill them off in a holocaust.
      The Ashkenazim were relatively safe since most of them in time emigrated to the USA, but the others were to a large extent killed off. This was nothing less than an ETHNIC CLEANSING arranged by the Ashkenazim to reverse the original situation in which Hassidim etc. were in the majority to turn them into a minority.
      There is no doubt that the holocaust took place but the NUMBERS of victims can certainly be discusses, and also HOW they died. Hitler was the tool used for it and probably did not really know the full truth behind it.

      Whatever you think of regressions to esarlier lives – that is YOUR problem then! – those who perform them do know from real experiences since it is not very rare to have a subject who in his/her last life died in the holocaust. They are actually WITNESSES, even though many want to ridicule the fact… Yet, as stated, the NUMBERS can certainly be discussed… But not the fact that there was a holocaust – as secret ETHNIC CLEANSING at the advantage of the Ashkenazim.

      NOW DO NOT FALL IN THE TRAP TO EQUATE JUDAISM WITH ZIONISM! Real Jews are not Zionists and not all Zionists are Jews. Zionism is secretly related to the Illuminati and uses the latter as one of their tools.

    • Dustdevil

      Her man was a Nazi, she was too, convenient for her to leave that off the interview.

      As for what ‘really happened’? My grandfather was in the first wave into Germany, and Dachau, in early 1945. He told me, as a young teenager in the late 70′s (only about three decades afterward) what REALLY happened there. They came in, thousands of walking skeletons in horror-settings your mind can’t imagine. The ovens were cooling, cold, but you could tell they had been burning recently. Opening the cast iron doors, there were hundreds, thousands of human bones in there. Some of the prisoners to be released told that they had watched as the Nazis cooked people still breathing, because it just didn’t matter anymore. So much more, so much horror. This old bat should have went the path that she denies, and if you believe her, maybe your family should have seen the truth for you back then too.

      As for why? Well, rumor has it that ‘god’ did this because those who claim they were jews weren’t really jews. Rather savage way to beat down and eradicate a bunch of liars, but then again, they’re supposedly his people.

      While this old woman is a lying toad (ask the U.S. 7th Army that went into Dachau what they REALLY saw, if you want the truth – personally, I find it funny she waited until most all of them are now dead to suddenly ‘come out’ about the revisionist truth she wants to spew in support of her Nazi heritage), you might also want to question your ‘god’ that would do this to men, women and children just because they believed themselves part of his ‘beloved Jews’, when they may or may not have been.

      Oh, well. Listen to the old bat. No one died there, not the 6-million Jews, nor the 5-million Aryan ‘Germans’ who ended up getting in the way, either. You see, the REAL camp count was close to 11-million, and almost half were NON-JEW-GERMANS and other nationalities! Hitler found it hard to steal gold, art, precious jewels if you were still living, so to finance his war machine in the end, he killed an awful lot of ‘good old white Germans’ too, if they happened to speak up against him after seeing what he did.

      This, all this, awaits those fools in America who gladly clap and support the Progressive Socialists here now. It’s coming, it’s just not here yet. I remember my grandfather one day said something very cryptic to me. This was the late 70′s, and so ‘out of character and out-of-the-blue’. He said, ‘it won’t be in my time, for we’ve faced them. It might not be in your time as a young man, but in the lifetime of your children, you will see the Nazi’s rise again, far worse than I had to fight.’ I became worried and said, ‘not here, not in America!’ He said, ‘yes, here, for as soon as men forget the evil done, they will think it just as good of an idea as they did before. I don’t wish it on you, but I do see it coming.’

      He was right, and it is here, now.

      • VirusGuard

        Come the end of the war and after years of carpet bombing it was common to see Germans starving to death themselves so why would you expect to see the people in the camps well feed ?

        Why would the Germans build ovens to burn the dead and use them when the nazi machine was running low on fuel because we had bombed the oil stores and you can make gas from coal.

        If the germans wanted everyone dead in the camps then they could had burned the huts and shoot anyone left standing.

        I know they were short of bullets but not coal right !

        Long after the backbone of the nazi war machine was destroyed we continued to carpet bomb the germans so lots of people starved to death and were killed that did not need to be but lets not talk about that or the portable gas ovens (Flame throwers) as used by US forces during WWII

        When it comes to Israel all we ever get is lies, fact

        • Dustdevil

          Again, like most skeptics, even if you were boiled in oil, you’d swear that there is no oil, it was just open flame. You cannot convince skeptics, even if they are there they will merely write it off as ‘something else’. It isn’t my problem if a skeptic’s brain cannot process fact and they fall to believing the lie instead. Revisionist history DEPENDS on such weak and feeble minds to ensure that if the evil didn’t work this time, it will at least have a chance to work the next time.

          As for ‘long after the backbone of the nazi war machine was destroyed’, I have news for you, America entered WWII late (end of 1941), dedicated so many resources to it that we were become destitute ourselves (per the words of Americans that lived on ever-diminishing ration-cards at the time), that justified why Truman authorized the nuclear bombs of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. They weren’t picked at random, Germany was pumping MUCH resources into those two port towns, and Nagasaki was like our Pittsburgh or Detroit (in their hayday), working around the clock to churn out more conventional weapons-of-war. Many estimate that if Truman hadn’t bombed them with nukes, we would have lost the war within 6-months, from having insufficient steel and copper to continue the war effort.

          Then again, any uneducated, easily-lied-to skeptic who chooses what to deny, doesn’t know this, or doesn’t care to hear it. Skeptics fail to realize one thing – HISTORY is written by the victors to say what they want it to say. In this case, Socialism looked so good, had so much potential, if only Hitler hadn’t gone off-script – that to hide it, lie about it, and sweep it under the rug gave the ‘winners’ a chance to clean the script, and try it again later.

          The same ones who empowered Hitler to office (where he went ego-maniacal nuts) are the same ones financing it this time. The reason that the holocaust victims are important to know about? I don’t personally care that they were Jews (or Martians, for that matter), I care because IF IT HAPPENED ONCE, YOU CAN SURE BET IT WILL HAPPEN AGAIN, and I don’t know about you, but burning in an oven just because you don’t believe it happened (or could happen) IS NOT ON MY BUCKET LIST!

      • an argie

        History is nothing more than a bunch of lies the victors agree upon.
        The real history is often completely different.

        So try to keep an open mind and let the emotions at home please. Look at facts. No hearsay. No belief.

        - Now WHY would an alledged death camp have a swimming pool, a free dental clinic, a post office, a culture house, a soccer field, etc… for inmates?
        - Why does nobody speak of a typhus plague.
        - Why does nobody say typhus is spread by lice
        - Why does nobody say that Zyklon B is an insecticide
        - Why didn’t the red cross (Who had unlimited access to each camp) didn’t speak of ANY gassing until after the war (1953)?
        - Why does nobody say that the “gas chambers” at Auschwitz were WITHIN 60 yards of the officer’s mess?
        - Why do so little speak of the “Leuchter report”?
        - Why does nobody speak of an utterly destroyed infrastructure in Germany at the end of WWII – Airplanes could fire on ANYTHING that moved, whether it were soldiers, cattle, children playing in a schoolyard, i didn’t matter.
        - Why didn’t the allied bomb ANY of the camps? – Keep the above in mind…
        - Why does nobody a simple calculation? – 1.000.000 deaths alone in Auschwitz? (operational from august 1942 until mid january 1945 – about 25 months). To exterminate and burn a corpse is at least 2 hours.
        (You cannot just throw a lot of human beings in a pit and torch it because of the body fluids). – this means two million hours/ 4 ovens = 500.000 hours PER oven…

        This is 500.000/ 365/ 24 = 57,07 YEARS! – even when all the ovens work around the clock, without any maintenance!

        Find out how many American scumbags never ever faced trial.

        Eisenhower (a Jew) hated Germans. – “The only good German is a dead German” (http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-leaders-eisenhower.html)
        (Just like Churchill hated Germans – His mother was Jewish). (http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-leaders-churchill.html)
        Just like Stalin was Jewish (http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-leaders-stalin-3%20Jewish%20Wives%20of%20Joseph%20Stalin.html)
        Just like Roosevelt was Jewish (http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-leaders-roosevelt.html)
        What they did to the German population in (the last days of) WWII was beyond barbarism.

        http://www.hellstormdocumentary.com/
        http://justice4germans.com/

        - Call captured soldiers DEF’s and no POW’s and the Geneva convention doesn’t apply.
        - Operation Keelhaul
        - Call terror bombing carpet bombing (500.000 civilians alone in the Dresden bombardments – corpses were glued to asfalt because of the intense heat white phosphorus releases)
        - The Neuremburger trials were a fraud. About 75% of the prosecutors were Jews;
        Out of 139 German witnesses who testified that the Holocaust had occurred, 137 had “damage to their testicles beyond repair”.

        https://cigpapers.wordpress.com/2013/11/16/holocaust-or-holohoax-21-amazing-facts/comment-page-1/#comments

        Jews hate Germans (Don’t ask me why). They wanted to make an example. Stand up against them and they’ll throw everything they have upon you.

        The Germans invented propaganda. The Jews mastered it.

        “While this old woman is a lying toad (ask the U.S. 7th Army that went into Dachau what they REALLY saw, if you want the truth – personally, ”
        Now if you have been told the same lie over and over and over again, it eventually becomes the “truth”.
        With this information in mind, when you enter a camp and see starving people (due to the utterly destroyed infrasrtucture), burning corpses (because of the typhus spread), without the possibility of communication (Americans didn’t speak German and Germans didn’t speak English),
        The interpretation of facts is easily made in the eye of the beholder…

        Just as prejudice is.. “That nazi woman is a lying toad.”
        Did YOU know her husband? Were YOU there? Ever heard of Dresden, operation Keelhaul, etc, etc.
        It’s easy to judge, but when it’s a CRIME even to question the official story, i know something isn’t right for sure,

        Food for thought.. (these are FACTS!)

        Out of all the POW’s taken by the Germans, over 90% returned to their homes
        Out of all the POW’s taken by the Allied, less than 10% returned to their homes…

        • Bill Lyle

          “Why do so little speak of the “Leuchter report”?”
          It’s really simple. When Ernst Zundel commissions a report, he expected the researcher to expand his agenda. The minute Zundel’s name gets brought up, it calls any “scientific findings” into question. Besides, Fred Leuchter wasn’t a researcher, he was an executioner. He had no actual training in any type of forensic discipline. No one talks about it, because it’s a wonderful piece of Neo-Nazi propaganda.

      • truthlovingsoul

        the jews and their minions are doing to the entire planet today what they did to germany in the 30s.

        there were no gas chambers, as has been proven, time and time again.
        red cross numbers the jewish dead in camps from all causes at 272,000.

        someone here said “go to the libraries and learn about the holocaust!” HA! WHO DO YOU TRHINK CONTROLS WHAT BOOKS ARE AVAILABLE?

        explain then why the libraries do not have books on cancer cures, where there are cures.
        explain why we are not taught about the much worse, much more barbaric holocaust of 66 to 100 million christians at the jands of the jewish bolsheviks!
        explain why there are no books, movies, memorials, reparations, museums for all the dead russian christians? armenians? ukrainians? all killed by jews.

        before there was zionism, there was judaism.
        of course not all jews subscribe to these doctrines of deceit and murder, but tell me why the talmud states that christians are lower than dogs??? evn “good jews” claim this to be their most holy book and what is contained within is blood-curdling.

        jews have been expelled hundreds of times for a reason.
        the foolishness of some of these comments is remarkable.
        ACCEPT IT. THE JEWISH HOLOCAUST WAS NOTHING MORE AND NOTHING LESS THAN WHAT HAPPENED TO ANY INTERNED PEOPLE ANYWHERE ON EARTH.
        THEY MADE IT OUT TO BE “THE WORST HOLOCAUST IN THE HISTORY OF TIME” when a cursory study will show that jews were and are, responsible for all the worst massacres in history!

        they needed anti-semitism to gain palestine.
        they needed anti-semitism to silence those who would speak out about their disgusting history.
        they needed anti-semitism to elicit SYMPATHY.

        WHY IS THE SUFFERING OF JEWS SO MUCH MORE IMPORTANT THAT ANYONE ELSE’S SUFFERING?
        IT IS NOT!

        THE JEW CRIES OUT IN PAIN AS HE STRIKES YOU.

        I am also sad to see nobody recommending this interview. cowards. they have you too scared to click recommend? too scared to comment favorably?

        PATHETIC.

        • The Real Deal

          Excellent comment TLS.

          You see TLS, most of these people are your garden variety trolls with no life, or paid shills and gatekeepers. Their job is to distract people who come here from the truth.

          Then, of course, there are the ones that just think they know everything. Als o the one’s who were raised in front of a TV and believed every horse crap story they were fed, and now they can’t bring themselves to admit that have actually been fooled. Their ego’s are too big. While others are just plain ol’ stuck in Cognitive Dissonance.

          I believe that most intelligent people that come here and read the comments know that you and I, and a few others, are spreading the real truth.

      • HereAmI

        Unmitigated rubbish from beginning to end.

        • HereAmI

          Sorry, TLS, the comment was designed for dustdevil, not for you.
          And if you go to YT, you will see that I, under my real name, make two comments which are entirely favourable to this lady, and her entirely credible remarks, remarks which I endorse absolutely and wholeheartedly.
          She has come to the precise conclusions which I came to some time ago.
          The jews have a huge amount to answer for.

      • truthlovingsoul

        DUSTDEVIL,

        i rarely get to see such a load of steaming crap save for in an outhouse, or a political function.

    • Letfreedomring

      You are being conned, of course there was a holocaust. You are all so young and have never been shown the footage or learned anything in school. My father was there; no, we’re not Jewish or German, but he was in the war.

      Millions died under Hitler, millions died under Stalin and millions more under Mao. Why is it so hard to understand that communism is a small group of the powerful controlling and murdering their own people in order to keep the power.

      That’s where we are heading in the US today. Communism is the goal of Socialism.

      • Big dog.../small fish...

        Anyone who says it didn’t happen should look for books on the subject. TV5 in french always has documentaries on the subject why the war and the atrocities started, where they occurred who in Hitler’s entourage did what etc.
        HUMANKIND SHOULD NEVER ALLOWS SUCH ATROCITIES TO BE PERPETRATED AGAIN!!

        • Big dog.../small fish...

          To everyone else (other than letfreedomring)

          Get your goddamn noses out of your bibles, go to the public libraries and RESEARCH THE PHUNKET subject!!

        • truthlovingsoul

          DOGGONE AND LETFREE,

          YOU ARE THE ONES WHO HAVE BEEN CONNED.
          ASK YOURSELF THIS: WHY ARE THERE DAILY, CONSTANT REFERENCES TO THE DEATH OF 272,000 JEWS DURING WW2 AND NO MENTION OF THE 100 MILLION CHRISTIANS KILLED BY JEWS IN RUSSIA?

          THINK ABOUT IT, DUMMIES.

        • Big dog.../small fish...

          truthlovingod

          Don’t fret, I know that americans are capable of great atrocities too. My point was that WWII happened and killed millions of people IN ALL ARMIES, JEWS, AND CIVILIANS in all countries involved!!
          And to deny all of this is stupid. Man must learn from experiences and this is the type he MUST NOT REPEAT.

    • Klemens

      Is asking questions a crime?
      http://vho.org/Intro/GB/Flyer.html

    • Deputy Dawg

      We as a whole are so ignorant of history! That’s why liars can get away with huge whoppers! I think a lot of the six million killed may have in fact been at the hands of allied forces under the direction of the American President Dwight David Eisenhower. He hated anything that even smelt like a German, Nazi or not! The allied forced had created open air concentration camps all over Europe where German prisoners were forced to live unprotected in outside enclosures, given little if any food or water. They dug holes in the ground for shelter, ate dirt and drank urine to satisfy hunger pains and quench their thirsts all at Eisenhower’s command.

      One French woman, a human rights activist, attempted to feed and provide a drink of water to a prisoner at one camp, she was publicly executed by firing squad as a warning to others who might try the same. Five million people perished from exposure, starvation and disease in those camps. This is a sad but true American legacy that unlike the gas chambers and the self serving Jewish account can be proven.

      The point I want to emphasize is that Jews believe the rest of us human beings are nothing but varmints. They are therefor under no divine obligation to speak truthfully to an animal. In turn they lie, cheat and steal from the rest of the world just as they’ve done in Palestine, just on a different scale. If you assume they as the television/media owners and producers, bank and business kingpins and Washington lobbyists are telling you the truth, you might want to reassess your belief system because you’ve been had.

      • HereAmI

        Very true, JAW.

    • my2pesos

      Abraham ~ Arab Ham

      Abram to Abraham ~ Arab Boat Ham Ram

    • gethelpnow

      and who faked all the news footage of the emaciated and dead bodies in the camps? Stanley Kubrick?

      • LifeIs

        gethelpnow cyanide gas (zyklon b) doesn’t make people emaciated.

        Starvation and typhus make people emaciated.

        And did so in the slave labor camps toward the end of the war.

        You’re forgetting half the lie. The crematoria part.

      • truthlovingsoul

        most likely, those were images of the russian christians slaughtered by jewish bolsheviks, or ukrainians starved by jewish bolsheviks.

        ask yourself why the jews push the “holocaust” so hard when there WERE so many worse massacres.

        IT IS BECAUSE THE JEWS ARE THE ULTIMATE PERPETRATORS OF GENOCIDE ON THIS PLANET.

    • CrowPie

      It’s really sickening to reduce such an event to a girl fight.

      Both sides telling a different story…..neither finding any point they can agree upon.

      In every skirmish there will always be two sides…..what I find most evil about this particular one is the total denial of all culpability in regard to the genocide of so many people. There are living survivors, living rescuers, photographs, movie reels, and tons of printed word evidence that the death camps, gas chambers and body burning is a horrid fact.

      Those who would live in denial of these facts (Dustdevil pointed them out in fine detail) are living in willful darkness.
      The question is……for what gain?

      And the subject was posed that the Nazi head would rear again…..has it? If you have been paying attention to the fans in stadiums around the world…..you have already seen the flag many times.

      • LifeIs

        Living survivors of death camps.

        No, on the news reels and photos. No one for decades has claimed there were mass-murder camps in Germany itself, and those are the slave labor camps liberated by the West.

        Poland was Soviet occupied and there are no pictures of what you describe.

        There are things built after the war, for propaganda purposes. There are confessions extracted under torture.

        There were stories told that had to be changed, because they were preposterous.

        Well never mind, if you don’t look into it, with an open mind, you will just be hurting yourself.

        • CrowPie

          Why should I “look into it?”

          I grew up listening to first hand accounts from an actual survivor. I’ll take her word over your propaganda.

        • LifeIs

          You said it yourself. A survivor. Of a slave labor camp.

          Not a dead person or a cremated one.

        • CrowPie

          Lifels,

          My friend was ten years old when she went to the camp. Her parents were burned to ash in those ovens.

          That little girl of ten hid in the filth of the outhouses. The women that remained would provide her with food in order that she remain hidden from the guards.

        • LifeIs

          “That little girl of ten hid in the filth of the outhouses. The women that remained would provide her with food in order that she remain hidden from the guards.”

          In other words, I excused myself from the murder line, and hid in the restroom for the duration of the war.

          And the other intended victims were given bathroom breaks and lunch, on their way to extermination, and they shared with me.

          My FATHER told me a lot of stories about World War Two. First person accounts of dramatic events.

          And he could not possibly have been in all those places, done all those things. He was re-telling stuff that he had HEARD.

          He never told childish, preposterous stories like those of “death camp survivors” though.

          But never mind that. How did the German military fail to kill so many unarmed captive civilians?
          Why did they end up running around with labor camp tattoos for decades after the war?

        • CrowPie

          Lifels,

          I’m 45 years old. I was told these accounts when I was around the age of twelve. She only told me because I asked about her tattoo. The woman who told me was then in her 60′s recalling her childhood. She lived it as a ten year, old and told it as an old woman, to a pre-teen. Now I am middle aged….only giving short, straight, simple, facts as recounted to me.

          I know many civilian Germans were taken as well as Jews. That is a fact no one denies. Why did some live?

          Lifels I don’t know…..I don’t have any animosity for either side. I only know that there was a great tragedy. Apparently the battle rages on…….

        • LifeIs

          “I’m 45 years old. I was told these accounts when I was around the age of twelve. She only told me because I asked about her tattoo. The woman who told me was then in her 60′s recalling her childhood. She lived it as a ten year, old and told it as an old woman”

          You are 45 and you heard the story at around age 12, that’s around 1982.

          The woman telling the story was in her 60s. In 1982.

          If she was 60, she was born in 1922.

          But you said, “in her sixties.”

          A person born around 1922 was ten years old around 1932.

          That’s 9 years before the labor camps even existed.

        • CrowPie

          I’m sorry but I never asked her age……but she really looked like she aged hard……. I should have said I thought she was an elderly woman in her sixties at my tender age of twelve. But I never asked what year she went to the camp….or what year she was released. And I never asked her age. But I knew she looked really old to me. Now at age 45…65 doesn’t look so old.

          Explanation……she wore her hair like ladies did in the fifties. Fixed at the beauty shop once a week. For me at the age of twelve she looked like an elderly woman. She had already lost all of her teeth from car accident and wore dentures…. wore her hair in this old style…. and I assumed she was really old at my tender age of ‘around twelve.’ All I know is….she had the Tattoo……I asked…..she cried as she told me……I have no reason not to believe her.

      • LifeIs

        Oh. “For what gain.”

        1. To distract from Jewish genocides in Armenia, Russia, Ukraine, Spain.

        2. To justify war crimes against German civilians.

        3. To justify post-war genocide against Germans.

        4. For very large amounts of money over the last 70 years from Germany.

        5. To justify murder, terrorism, and land theft, against Christian and Muslim Palestinians.

        • CrowPie

          1. What reasoning does one use to come up with “create a new genocide to hide the first genocide?” The Armenian genocide certainly didn’t get the attention it deserved, but I truly don’t see how a second hides the first.

          2. War is hell. Nazi soldiers were known to rape and pillage their own country side. Just as they were rounding up their own citizens an putting them in death camps. I imagine British and American soldiers also committed atrocities. Tell a man to kill on a regular basis….he will change for the worse sometimes.

          3. Never heard of it…no proof of it….new topic…..for a later date.

          4. The evil that is “The Nazi Movement” incubated in Germany and Hitler was it’s babysitter.
          Money is the very least they can do to make amends.

          5. Again…one genocide doesn’t hide or justify a second genocide.

        • Scanner Darko

          CrowPie,

          “My friend was ten years old when she went to the camp. Her parents were burned to ash in those ovens.”

          There’s absolutely NO physical evidence to support the use of gas chambers other than heresay. No actual witnesses, just hearsay like…”one day my parents were gone, so they had to have been taken to those gas chambers all the guards kept telling us about..to keep us in fear”.

          10 years old? Imagine how traumatic it would be to live in a slave labor camp, hearing the whispers about the gas chambers. Imagine one day, your parents ‘disappear’ and you are told by a guard that they were taken to the ovens. That doesn’t make a thing true. This was a massive piece of propaganda and I’ve yet to see a flaw in Lifels logic here.

          Why was there a window in the staged gas chamber, admitted to have been constructed after the fact?

          Why do the doors open from the inside?

          Where’s all the Zyklon B residue?

          How could they have killed as many as they have said when simple math will show that such a thing could not have been possible, lest they worked the ovens 24/7 from the 40s to the 70s?

          You should take up Lifels advice and research this for yourself. Personal accounts are easily manipulated and distract from the blatant contradictions in the official narrative. David Cole is a great place to start. There’s much to learn on the subject.

          “There is no business like Shoah business”

        • CrowPie

          Scanner,

          I can imagine how traumatic it must have been. I heard about it.

          As to the rest of your comment……..

          “Why was there a window in the staged gas chamber, admitted to have been constructed after the fact? ”

          I can only imagine that if the entire thing was staged and constructed after the fact, the window was so that tourists could view the inside of the chamber without opening the door…especially since the door was made to open from the inside…..german engeering not with standing.

          As to the Zyklon B residue.

          Can you say with 100% certainty that the testing was done on an actual camp chamber rather than a recreated chamber? Can you say with 100% accuracy that if it was ….that the chamber had not been previously treated with chemicals that would cause a false negative? Can you say with 100% accuracy that the chain of custody was not compromised? Can you say with 100% accuracy that the lab tech followed all chain of custody and had no bias, or any reason to tamper with evidence?

          I ask these questions because this is a very controversial case. If only one test was performed in only one lab then it could be easily manipulated. If several tests were performed and sent to several different labs in different countries….I would be more likely to believe it.

          “How could they have killed as many as they have said when simple math will show that such a thing could not have been possible, lest they worked the ovens 24/7 from the 40s to the 70s?”

          Not all met their demise in the gas chambers as you know. Many were killed by firing squad in front of mass graves or with no graves at all, in mere seconds.

        • Scanner Darko

          “I can only imagine that if the entire thing was staged and constructed after the fact, the window was so that tourists could view the inside of the chamber without opening the door…especially since the door was made to open from the inside…..german engeering not with standing.”

          Going back and forth, positing these hypothetical questions to support our preconceived notions is a waste of everyone’s time. Have you not seen the window in question? Your analysis does not fit the whole of the evidence, nor the narrative you follow. But, yes, I presume most would think that window was put there so the grockles could see inside but such a theory is far from proving the chamber was the only thing that was staged.

          German engineering not withstanding? What is that even supposed to mean? Is it that you do not care to factor in this hypothetical? The Germans, the master engineers that they profess themselves to be, just accidentally reconstructed the gas chamber originally claimed as authentic, with a small window, a door that opens in, and no ventilation system?

          “Can you say with 100% certainty that the testing was done on an actual camp chamber rather than a recreated chamber? Can you say with 100% accuracy that if it was ….that the chamber had not been previously treated with chemicals that would cause a false negative? Can you say with 100% accuracy that the chain of custody was not compromised? Can you say with 100% accuracy that the lab tech followed all chain of custody and had no bias, or any reason to tamper with evidence?”

          So many questions. You’re not pretending to have this all figured out are you?

          There’s a lot of holes in your logic here and I don’t care to dedicate my time to this cause by carefully picking apart your questions if you don’t care to put forth similar effort or provide anything other than your own on-the-fly rationality and opinion. These aren’t honest questions from someone genuinely searching for answers. These are all wild assertions that have no basis in any actual evidence. Here, you’ve used your imagination to construct a serious of hypotheticals (some of which make little-to-no sense) that don’t exactly follow any train of thought but your own. You’ve formulated your own conspiracy with that paragraph and I doubt you believe a word of it. Perhaps you find this amusing, but I certainly don’t. My reference towards Zyklon B was in regards to the public display at Auschwitz but there are other gas chambers, you know, for which ‘other’ questions regarding the chemical remain.

          Outright dismissal of these things because you’ve heard stories and seen documentaries is something I would expect to see from someone who has no idea what they are talking about. Either way, you can’t say much of anything is 100% accurate and it would be pleasant to see you humble yourself on this position and admit that you can’t be 100% positive on your beliefs either. Anything less than this admission is either lazy or dishonest. Aside from myself, you have three or four knowledgeable and trustworthy individuals to refer to, telling you that you aren’t seeing the whole picture and yet you are still refusing to take a stance showing the slightest respect for what anyone else may know.

        • CrowPie

          Scanner,

          As a Criminal Justice major, soon to be a Master……I suggest you take a trip to your local crime lab……and take a lesson on chain of custody procedures. Get to know the techs that will be doing your work……Get in really good with them….you will rely on them and their integrity, accuracy and whether or not they are ‘religiously methodical in their applications of their work.

      • LifeIs

        “Facts are stupid things.” –Ronald Reagan

        Some inconvenient facts are:

        Labor camp tattoo means just that.

        You don’t put an identification tattoo on someone you’re going to kill and incinerate.

        Emaciated survivors and emaciated bodies are not gas chamber victims. They are starvation and
        typhus victims.

        The miraculous survival stories we hear are childish, impossible, ridiculous tall tales.

        The least little bit of scrutiny proves it in every case.

        • Bill Lyle

          “You don’t put an identification tattoo on someone you’re going to kill and incinerate.”

          A big misconception about the “Death Camps”, is that their only function was kill people. The prisoners were put to work there, too. Most who were gassed and incinerated, were dispatched, once they could no longer serve the war effort. Sure, many were shipped to places like Auschwitz, simply to be exterminated, but most were murdered, because they couldn’t work, for one reason or another. Could it be that they were tattooed, prior to their selection?

    • doctim11

      Wow! Thanks! I’ll be sure to tell all my family in Vilnius about the Holocaust myth now – wait – I can’t – they were all murdered in 1941 by Einsatzgruppe A and Lithuanian police. Shame on you for using Before It’s News to spread your hatred.

      • HORUS

        Great comment!

      • an argie

        My grandfathers also fought the Germans in WW2. One also has been at a labor camp. They both survived.

        I do not wat to spread hate. I look at (historical) facts and ask questions.
        I try to let reason take over; Not emotion.
        I’m not looking at a single case. I look at statistical data that doesn’t make sence.
        Just the fact on IS NOT SUPPOSED TO look at this, and only has to buy the official stories drives me.

        The main source for the alledged murder of Jews the first weeks/ months of operarion Barbarossa is the Jäger report.

        The only person who could have vouched for the authenticity of this report would have been Jäger himself. But he committed “suicide” shortly in prison after his arrest.

        Someone said that the Jäger report was authenticated by the German government officials. But I don’t know any details about this. Anyway whatever comes out of Germany about the “Holocaust” at this time has to be looked at quite skeptically. Imagine the reaction of the Jews if Germany would have come out with a negative result about this?

        I have these problems with that report:

        1. The Soviets discovered the Jäger report some 15 years afterwards in some archive in Vilnius. And I have very little confidence in what these people come up with in documents. Remember the forged identification card for Demjanjuk, and the Leningrad trial of German officers about the Katyn massacres.

        2. I find it very difficult to believe that only 8 SS men could take out almost the whole Jewish population of a country, over 220,000 people, in such a short time.

        3. According to the statistician Sanning in his book “The Dissolution of Eastern European Jewry” did 80% of the Jewish population leave Lithuania for the Soviet Union. (This is based on Jewish sources.) With other words there could never have been that many Jews in that country when the Germans arrived.

        4. To my knowledge no mass graves were ever found at the major alleged massacre sites:

        Even nazi hunter Efraïm Zuroff stated on record:

        Nicht gerade mit viel Liebe kann Zuroff im Baltikum rechnen – dort und in Kroatien wird der Mann als „zionistischer Agent“ sogar gehaßt. Mit dem Ende der Sowjetmacht sahen Litauen, Lettland und Estland nur noch Zukunft – nicht aber Zuroff, der in ihrer nationalsozialistischen Vergangenheit schnüffelt. Zuroff vermutet in den drei Ostsee-Republiken sehr viele Nazis. In Litauen beispielsweise wurden im Zweiten Weltkrieg 96 Prozent der 220.000 Juden von Litauern umgebracht – und zwar von Litauern, „die heute noch ganz unbedarft in Wilna in den Supermarkt fahren, um Milch einzukaufen“. Die litauische Regierung ist nicht gerade begeistert über Zuroffs Schnüffelei. Wenn er zusammen mit einem Detektiv an Ort und Stelle nach Nazis sucht, haben manche Regierungsvertreter gerade „leider“ keine Zeit.

        Translation:
        Not with much love Zuroff can count on the Baltic states – There and in Croatia one is even hated for being a Zionist agent. With the fall of the USSR Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia only saw the future – Not Zuroff who sniffs in their Nazi history. Zuroff presumes there are a lot of nazis in the three Eastsee republics. For example in Lithuania 96% of the 220.000 Jews of Lithuania were killed – From Lithuanians, that today cluelessly drive in Wilna to the supermarket to buy milk. The Lithuanian government is not too amused of Zuroff’s sniffing. Whenever he, together with a detective, searches for Nazis at a certain town, some government officials “regrettably” don’t have the time at the moment….

        • Scanner Darko

          Great post Argie,

          Many let their emotions get the best of them, when it comes to this subject, and they fall back on ‘personal testimonies’ without ever showing the slightest consideration for the personal testimonies of their opposition.

      • Mayhem

        @doctim11 – Sorry for your loss but the task forces, you mention, mostly shot their victims and here we are discussing the systematic gassing of six million Jews.

        • CrowPie

          Unfortunately in the case of a Holocaust dead means dead. I don’t remember anyone laying down rules about what is a no no in the ‘honorable mention’ area.

          Stop being controlling…..your not any ones attorney and any subject is permissible.

        • Mayhem

          It’s perfectly understandable that those who support the holohoax wish to expand the catchment to include deaths that weren’t the result of systematic gassing and which, in many cases, didn’t even happen anywhere near a forced labour camp.

          Afterall the Auschwitz memorial plaque, in 1948, read…

          http://sydwalker.info/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/auschwitz_plaque_4million-282×300.jpg

          … and after Russia released the death registry volumes, in 1989, the sign was changed to read…

          https://i.embed.ly/1/display/resize?key=1e6a1a1efdb011df84894040444cdc60&url=http%3A%2F%2Fpbs.twimg.com%2Fmedia%2FB8WcUcSCUAAl8h7.jpg

          … giving rise to the need to lump all deaths into the mix in order to keep the numbers up.

          I can’t help but notice that no-one has an answer for Just-a-Word’s argument regarding Eisenhower’s concentration camps, hmm?

        • CrowPie

          So your perfectly willing to admit the deaths of 1.7 million “Germans” starved by Americans…..just not the “deaths” of six million “Jews” at the hands of Germans.

          Something sounds awfully one sided about that.

        • Mayhem

          I will readily admit anything that can be proven via the scientific method or, at least, admit when i am running on faith.

          http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/images/stats1.jpg

          Presuming that graph is a fair representation, of the global population of Jews during the relevant period, where did the six million go?

        • CrowPie

          Since many of the Germans that worked for the Nazis were brought to the U.S. to work for the Government …..NASA in particular…..I wouldn’t rely to heavily on any census numbers for accuracy.

        • Mayhem

          I know, right? You’re all for taking the word of one person, who had the tattoo, all the while ignoring a veritable mountain of evidence to the contrary.

        • CrowPie

          I’m sorry Mayhem…your graphs and internet links do not trump first hand accounts and the TRULY Mountainous evidence and that spurred the U.S. into the WWII actions to begin with.

          Besides the first hand account, I have seen countless documentaries on the subject.

          You haven’t begun to change my mind or scratch the surface.

        • Mayhem

          Given America’s track record, and reticence to get involved, it was just as well the Russians won that war on every ones behalf. Or did you not know that 4 out of every 5 German combatants were killed at the hands of Russians?

          I understand your opinion trumps the evidence and it would be silly of me to think otherwise. I won’t expect any evidence from you thus avoiding disappointment.

        • CrowPie

          Ah yes……your love for Putin……how could I forget……. :lol:

        • Mayhem

          Putin wasn’t in charge during the 1940′s and how does my supposed loving him change the facts of history?

        • CrowPie

          No….He certainly wasn’t. But…..you have still chosen a side.

          Conveniently enough……it always shows.

        • Mayhem

          And how, exactly, does my choosing a side affect the facts of recorded history?

        • CrowPie

          According to Wikipedia Russia only cared that Hitler was moving in to occupy Russia. They didn’t give a rip about who he killed.

          ” Many Jews fell victim to the Great Purges, and there is evidence that Jews were specifically targeted by Stalin. Over two million Soviet Jews are believed to have died during the Holocaust. As a result of the persecution, both state-sponsored and unofficial, antisemitism became deeply ingrained in the society.”

        • Mayhem

          Yes: Russia has only ever cared about Russia and when the Germans were duped into invading they got the living daylights kicked out of them. When the last German was chased out the Russians were content to remain in Russia and have never entertained plans for world domination.

          But what does any of that have to do with this article? Especially given the author and the video both clearly refer to the Holocaust, of the Jews, by Hitler’s command and confined to the duration of the second world war?

          The holohoax is perpetuated by those who call themselves Jews but are not.

        • CrowPie

          For pitys sake…….

        • Scanner Darko

          “For pitys sake…”

          Crowpie. This subject deserves attention, but you’ve doomed your search to failure by taking this stern position from “first hand accounts”. As a criminal justice major, soon to be Master, I know a thing or two on the reliability of first hand accounts. Go to your search bar and type in “why witness testimony is unreliable”. You’ll find that witness testimony alone is hardly ever enough to prove a conviction, because it’s unreliable, and I imagine even more so when the jury is out on something as extreme as the Holocaust.

          I would love to get in to this further but I don’t care to be confined by the circular logic you’ve been content to provide. You’re on the surface level here, which surprises me, but there’s far more to understand than what can be gleaned from public education and documentaries. You should know this, Crowpie, or why else would you be visiting these conspiracy forums? I don’t mean for this to be snide, genuine curiosity, but do you believe two airplanes brought down the two towers? Knowing your take on the manipulation of historical events will help us better approach this subject with you, so it won’t feel like you’re being ‘attacked’ here.

          Things are never as they seem. In fact, it was only about a year ago that I was led to believe that the Holocaust wasn’t what it was made out to be. The evidence doesn’t add up. I had to shift paradigm. We should always be willing to shift paradigm, if the evidence presented against previously held beliefs warrants more attention. Have your views on teachings like the rapture changed over time as new evidence has been presented to you? I sure hope so and I don’t see why you wouldn’t be taking the same approach with historical events. But keep in mind that no one is asking you to change your mind here. The objective is to get you see that everything must be questioned. Never be content. As Mayhem says quite often, “believe nothing you hear and very little of what you see”.

          This conversation doesn’t have to be about our petty feelings towards another nation, or a competition over who’s seen what documentary. It’s unfortunate that we just can’t seem to talk about this subject without someone getting heated up over something they heard from someone else.

        • CrowPie

          Scanner,

          While I can understand your misinterpretation of my comments as ‘my being heated up’ over the subject matter, or an inability to see your interpretation of the events as a possibility, I must assure you that is not the case.

          I can indeed see a possibility of truth for both sides. I can also see why both sides would want to twist the truth in the matter of reputation or financial profit, be it to receive or stop restitution payments.

          I don’t, however, believe that anyone can read the hearts and minds of another human being or group of human beings.

        • LifeIs

          “CrowPie
          I’m sorry Mayhem…your graphs and internet links do not trump first hand accounts and the TRULY Mountainous evidence and that spurred the U.S. into the WWII actions to begin with.”

          What the HECK? “spurred the US into the WW II actions?”

          What spurred the US into war with Germany was, Hitler’s government declared war on the United States. On December 8, 1941.

          Liberation of the labor camps was incidental to victory. It was never, not ever, a cause of the war.

        • CrowPie

          Lifels,

          True. The public/ civilians were not ready to get involved in another war. That did not prevent the government from directly aiding England in their efforts against Germany as the following will show….which is why Germany made their war declaration upon the U.S.

          “Problems With Neutral Countries

          America again declared its neutrality but the same problem that the German Navy of World War I experienced now occurred again: Neutral ships would again sail to England to help her more than German friendly nations to Germany. (Swedish ships were the only exception.) The ability to defeat submarines had vastly improved during the inter-war years, especially by using aircraft. Ths forced the u-boats to range farther from Germany to be truly effective. Long range bombers, seaplanes, and aircraft carriers now roamed the sea lanes looking for submarines.

          American Politicans

          America’s politicians in charge, President Franklin Roosevelt leading the way, were clearly on the side of England and France. The United States enacted several pieces of legislation and policies that clearly helped England:
          •Destroyers for bases (50 old WW I flush deck destroyers, needing major overhaul before use, but still 50 warships is 50 warships) in exahnge for US being granted leases to use British islands in the Atlantic for bases
          •Escorting of convoys as far as Iceland using American destroyers. This effectively prevented u-boat attacks along that part of the route (which still resulted in the loss of the USS Ruben James Footnote 6) ,
          •The enactment of the Lend-Lease Act so that Britain did not have to pay cash at time of purchase for war material.

          Even with these brazen acts, from war’s start in 1939 thru December 1941, American ships could still sail the world’s oceans to the allied nations nations without being attacked by German U-Boats.

          War Politics

          The people in charge, whether elected, had overthrown the prior government, or there as a result of history of kingdoms, still have to pander to the general will of the population. The mood can be changed over time, but the present time is what matters most to the politicans in charge. President Roosevelt (FDR), knew this very well.

          When the war broke out the US population as a whole did not favor getting involved. The USA had gotten into the Great War in 1917, and the political aims of that war was never fullfilled — witness the failed League of Nations and now state of war in Europe. The population of the US was VERY much East coast and Midwest centered. A significant part of the population was only one or two generations removed from when their forbears had emigrated to the US. The losses in the 1st World War (though greatly below that of other nations) was still remembered. The basic attitude was “they’re at it again, let them figure it out themselves.” To openly support the United Kingdom, the commonwealth nations, France, and all the others for war would quickly become derivesive and be defeated – there was no compelling threat, directly or indirectly, seen, or reasoned to be found, for Germany going against the United States of America.” {SIC}

          http://www.taphilo.com/history/WWII/German-War-declaration.shtml

    • Mayhem

      Why is it illegal to deny the Holocaust, in a number of countries, or what rational suggests the truth requires legislating?

      Why doesn’t the systematic murder of 6 million Jews not show up in the census data?

      Why did the Germans, who prized efficiency, build the “gas chamber” below ground with doors that open inward?

      How come there weren’t enough furnaces to get the job finished before the mid 70′s?

      Why would anyone make their mind up, based on what their neighbour tells them, without researching the available evidence?

      • Anonymous

        Mayhem.. truths are coming out now. All I can say for now concerning your questions is that, you must consider the powers that controlled information during and after WWII, and the incredible extent of massive coverups, deceptions, and of course world socio-economic politics. Virtually all information has been tightly controlled and what was discovered toward the end of the war was concealed. Destruction of evidence and revisionism became SOP, not after, but DURING by those who were controlling and shaping world events at that time.

        Evidence of what actually took place is being revealed, but sadly, not everything, there was in fact, so very much that was destroyed. The fact that much is being revealed to people at large now is very interesting. Funny thing is, a lot of the information has actually been available for a long long time. Disinformation and revisionism had been the controlling force however.

        People will think what they will, concerning what I have said here. It makes no difference really. As I said, truths are coming out. Lies have had their time. The answers are out there.. and not just hearsay “evidence”. Actual documentation is becoming more and more available, and I trust that people will soon see just how twisted everything has been, from all sides.

        • BEEF SUPREME

          “Actual documentation is becoming more and more available, and I trust that people will soon see just how twisted everything has been, from all sides.”

          Ain’t that the fact, Jack. But one does well to consider the timely kinetic energy behind this ‘unveiling’ of ‘actual documentation.’

          We are surely in greatest danger of being duped by the labyrinth when we believe ourselves to have become free of its deluding influences.

          Not one of us is on the outside looking in.

          But many of us unwisely believe we are.

        • Anonymous

          Walter.. as i said, however, much has been available for a long long time. More had been uncovered and released within the past year or so, and more is being released now, such as the hitchcock doc.. 70 years after the fact.

          People such as david cole are a joke, demonstrably so. A review of evidence along with careful reading of his “work” reveals it’s deceptive nature and apparent agenda driven quality.

          Evidence proving the occurrence of a “holocaust” is realistically irrefutable and yet denial persists. My question would be, why is that?

          long ago you told me that “explicating” scripture is “what you do”. Well, winding my way through labyrinths is what I do. AAAApprehension. Access, Analyze, Assess, Apprehend. Easy to get fooled, absolutely, but I am always mindful of that. That’s why I insist on considering and questioning everything.

          The problem with discussions of the holocaust is that the term is rarely, if ever, actually defined first. were 6 million Jews gassed? No. But that does not constitute the holocaust. Did millions upon millions of people die as a result of nazi atrocities, including (but not exclusively) gassing? Hell yes.

        • Mayhem

          Do you recall, RAIN, that you and I have previously debated this topic and what the result of that was? You were counseled to never again mention the war, in front of me, and to this end i’m very surprised that you addressed me on the subject.

          Last time you concentrated on the Nuremberg trial aspect. You know, the trial where 137 of the 139 “confessions” were obtained via the fine art of crushing testicles. Is torture considered an acceptable method of extracting reliable confessions?

          I was willing to ignore your comments until you said…

          “Evidence proving the occurrence of a “holocaust” is realistically irrefutable and yet denial persists”

          … to which i ask you to put up or shut up and no we are not discussing the general horrors of war rather than the planned systematic annihilation of six million Jews.

        • CAPTAIN CHAOS!!

          Forgive me if I sit this one out, fellas.

          And RAIN…

          …I most certainly include myself amongst the ubiquitous ‘US’ from my above comment to you. Please note that I wasn’t singling you out for a lone maze dancer in need of a good cautioning. We are, all of us, a bunch of hapless hoopleheads in search of conciliation.

        • Anonymous

          I have not had access to that discussion.. so I have no idea what ensued, and I do not remember you telling me to not discuss the war.. although, Someone else sure did. As i had mentioned before, I was subjected to a cyber attack, with all documents and files destroyed or confiscated, my original account hijacked, (which is still being held by someone other than me), and I was denied access to BIN, all occurring just as I was about to go into detail.

          I don’t recall focusing on the nuremberg trial.. the purpose of what I was to present had nothing to do with that, so you’ll have to remind me of what was said.. sorry, I really don’t recall the context.

          I also don’t know what the “general horrors of war” is about.

          However, you say, put up or shut up? ok then, despite not having access to documentation that was in my possession, I can start with the ICRC 300,000 issue..

          It seems to be disinformation. From wiki, (yeah I know..) :

          Harwood also claimed that Die Tat, a Swiss tabloid newspaper, published statistics that concluded the number of people who died in Nazi prisons and camps from 1939 to 1945 based on ICRC statistics was “300,000, not all of whom were Jews”.[68] The January 19, 1955 edition of Die Tat did indeed give a 300,000 figure, but this was only in reference to “Germans and German Jews” and not nationals of other countries.[69] In a 1979 response to this pamphlet, the ICRC said that they have “never tried to compile statistics on the victims of the war”,[70] nor “certified the accuracy of the statistics produced by a third party”,[70] and state that the authors of such material have “falsified” both claims that the document originates from the ICRC and refers exclusively to Jews.[70]

          As well as in personal correspondence, the ICRC has also addressed this misrepresentation by several other means. In 1975, the ICRC wrote to the Board of Deputies of British Jews in London regarding Harwood’s citations, stating:

          The figures cited by the author of the booklet are based upon statistics falsely attributed to us, evidently for the purpose of giving them credibility, despite the fact that we never publish information of this kind.[71]

          —Françoise Perret, Comité International de la Croix-Rouge, to Jacob Gerwitz, August 22, 1975.

          In the 1978 official bulletin, the agency stated that its mission was to “help victims not count them”,[72] and questioned how they would have even been able to obtain such statistics had they wanted to, given that they were “only able to enter only a few concentration camps…in the final days of the war”.[72] The agency states that the figures used are “the number of deaths recorded by the International Tracing Service on the basis of documents found when the camps were closed”,[72] and accordingly bear no relation to the total death tolls, since the Nazis destroyed much documentation, and that many deaths occurred in camps where prisoners were generally not registered.[72] The ICRC considers this misrepresentation as “propaganda”,[72] and because these claims regarding the ICRC were used for the defense of Ernst Zündel at his trial in 1985, critics state that despite the agency’s attempts to demonstrate the truth, Holocaust deniers have continued to rely on ICRC based disinformation.[69] Archives of the International Tracing Service (located in Bad Arolsen) responding to such misrepresentation can be found here.[73]

          …………………………………………………………………………………..

          the archives are here if you would like to search them:

          https://www.its-arolsen.org/en/archives/index.html
          ……………………………………………………………………………..
          Here is the actual letter written by Francoise Perret:

          COMITE INTERNATIONAL DE LA CROIX-ROUGE

          Geneva, 10 May 1979
          Fpe/grt

          Dear Madam,

          We have pleasure in acknowledging receipt of your letter of 12
          April concerning the victims of the Second World War, together
          with the enclosed booklet. We did already have a copy of this
          document, which is not the only one of its kind. Indeed, the ICRC
          and several National Societies, in particular, the American
          Red Cross, have received a great deal of correspondence on
          this matter.

          The booklet in question supports its false allegations by two
          abridged quotations taken from two documents published by the
          ICRC:

          “Report of the International Committee of the Red
          Cross on its activities dueing the Second World War”
          (3 volumes)

          “The work of the ICRC for civilian detainees in German
          Concentration Camps” (1 volume)

          These two documents, which we are sending you under separate
          cover, contain the basic information which the ICRC possesses
          on the victims of the Second World War.

          Unfortunately, we are not able to provide you with the figures
          you are seeking, since the ICRC has never tried to compile
          statistics on the victims of the war and has never certified
          the accuracy of the statistics produced by a third party. In
          fact, the basic aim of the ICRC is to come to the aid of
          victims of armed conflicts and not to act as a commission of
          enquiry or a statistics service.

          With regard to the figure of 300,000 victims quoted on page 28
          of the document you sent us, on 19 January 1955 the newspaper
          “Die Tat” published an article (of which a photocopy is
          enclosed) giving figures for the victims of the Second World
          War, including that of 300,000.
          As you will see upon reading this article, first, the figure
          of 300,000 was not given by the ICRC and, secondly, it refers
          only to the _German_ victims (Jews and non-Jews) of the
          concentration camps. The authors of the booklet have therefore
          doubly falsified their information, by claiming that the
          figure relates to all the Jewish deportation victims and by
          naming the ICRC as its source.

          Finally, for your information, we are sending a copy of the
          ICRC information bulletin “The ICRC in Action” of 12 December
          1975, the last page of which mentions the work of the ICRC in
          concentration camps.

          We hope this information will be of use to you.

          Yours faithfully,
          s/
          R. Gaillard-Moret
          Head of Documentation
          and Dissemination

        • Anonymous

          oh, sorry, obviously I meant R. Gaillard-Moret who had written a followup

        • Anonymous

          Regarding the World Almanac, there is this:

          the 1940 World Almanac gives the world Jewish population as 15,319,359, while the 1948 World Almanac gives the world Jewish population as 15,713,638. They therefore claim that either the figures are wrong, or the Holocaust, meaning the deaths of millions of Jews, cannot have happened to any extent similar to the claimed 6 million. Ken McVay writes:

          Only in 1949 are postwar estimates employed, the figures given are for estimates made in 1948. A year or two lag seems to be common for various other population estimates given by the World Almanac. The difference between the 1938 and 1948 figures is thus 4,481,491. In 1949, however, the World Almanac gives a revised 1939 population of 16,643,120 giving a difference of between 1938 and 1947 of 5,376,520. Where the extra population between 1938 and 1939 came from is not cited, though one might speculate that it was based upon the Nazi estimates made in 1942 for the Wannsee Conference. Despite the apparent exactness of the numbers listed, the World Almanac warns that all numbers listed are estimates.[77]

          …………………………………………

          To be fair though, I have not had the chance to research all this for myself. I will try to pursue it however and let you know what or if(?) I found anything to corroborate what was stated.

        • Anonymous

          As for evidence of gas chambers at Treblinka and regarding in part, what i was referring to as deception and cover up during the war there is this to consider from march, 2014.. although yes it is the jeruselum post, but the video it provides is important:

          http://www.jpost.com/Jewish-World/Jewish-News/Archeologist-at-Treblinka-Nazi-death-camp-finds-evidence-of-gas-chambers-346947

        • Anonymous

          Sorry I can’t really get into anymore of this tonight.. I’ll get back to it as soon as i can though. I need to go through a lot of material and unfortunately i don’t have what I had, as i said..
          However, I will say that there is reason for cover up and deception and why so much disinformation has prevailed.
          documents that i had seen, and do in fact exist, somewhere, prove to be very embarrassing (to put it extremely mildly), for many industry giants, political figures and governments, and for those elite ones who still have an agenda in progress.

        • Mayhem

          Lets take this in little steps, RAIN, given that it’s the biggest bone of contention the world has ever known. Also it benefits the debate, not at all, to revisit our previous squabbles. I simply wished to know if you remembered them and the outcome which was you running away for nearly a year. I know, i know, according to you it was all about your suffering identity theft and nothing to do with our debate but it was altogether coincidental just the same.

          Right then, into the fray: Interestingly the 1979-ICRC letter states…

          “Unfortunately, we are not able to provide you with the figures you are seeking, since the ICRC has never tried to compile statistics on the victims of the war”

          … yet the 1948-ICRC report on it’s activities during the secod world war states…

          “The ICRC declined, however, to limit its action merely to that of an intermediary between the detainess and their relatives… The Committee moreover insisted on ascertaining… the number of occupants, by nationality”

          … which therefore begs the question. When were the ICRC lying, 1948 or 1979?

        • Mayhem

          I’m not at all surprised, RAIN, that you take issue with the “World Almanac” but i am surprised where you imagine i would have presented it and yet have nothing to support the position. Here, then, is the corroborating data and now there’s nine sources for you to debunk.

          [1] The National Council of Churches (USA): 1930-15,000,000

          [2] Jewish Encyclopedia (USA): 1933-15,600,000

          [3] Daily Express (Jewish newspaper): 1933-14,000,000

          [4] American Jewish Committee Bureau of the Synagogue Council: 1939-15,600,000

          [5] World Almanac (American Jewish Committee): 1933-15,316,000: 1936-15,753,000: 1939-15,600,000: 1940-15,319,000: 1941-15,748,000: 1945-15,192,000: 1946-15,753,000: 1947-15,690,000: 1948-15,500,000: 1949-15,713,000: 1950-11,500,000

          [6] The New York Times, USA: 1948-15,700,000 — 18,600,000

          [7] Statistical Handbook of Council of Churches (USA): 1951-15,300,000

          [8] The National Council of Churches (USA): 1951-15,500,000

          [9] Encyclopedia Britannica: 1955-11,620,000

          Now then; if that’s not too badly nested and sense can be made of it will anyone be able to show the readers where the six million went? Aw shucks mayhaps the Almanac isn’t as suspect as you try to make out, RAIN?

          As an aside; would anyone care to know how sacred this six million number is to Ashken-Zionist Judaism? As it happens these Jews, who are not, tried the exact same thing after WWI. Did i say “exact same thing”? That’s what i meant. They tried to claim the annihilation of six million Jews post world war one. WTF!

        • Mayhem

          You’re sorry? Well you should be for linking to the 2014 Archaeological dig undertaken by Caroline Sturdy Colls of the Staffordshire University, UK. What’s the problem with it? Hold on to your hat.

          Colls was determined to find some evidence to prove there was a second “Death” camp, at Treblinka. This camp was set apart from the better known “Forced Labour” camp, that the tourists currently visit. Are you catching the bias i’m trying to put on this archaeologist? Good because she owns it, check it.

          Well they dug and they dug and finally, in the third trench, they found a small collection of human bones and a few broken tiles with the Star of David on them which were said to have been affixed to the gas-chamber. Said to have been! WTF – do you need me to explain what that means? It is claimed that 900,000 Jews died at this fictitious camp and that’s all she could find? Puh-lease.

          Now then: lets look to what the ICRC had to say about “gas chambers” and once again I reference the 1948 report pertaining to the holohoax. In the entire 1,600 page document “gas chambers” are never mentioned. Not once and, in fact, no evidence was found that the camps, in Axis occupied Europe, even had a deliberate policy to exterminate Jews. Along with the Vatican, whom they worked along side, the ICRC didn’t even consider indulging in the irresponsible charges of genocide which which were common at the time.

          Hmm?

        • Mayhem

          Take your time, my good man, there is no requirement to avoid tardiness. I can be one of the worst for taking my sweet time so think nothing of it. In fact i had been reading this debate for 3 days before i joined the conversation.

          @WALTER. You’re excused considering you’re under no compulsion, ever. Perhaps our friend, from New York, noticed that i too owned your cautionary comments.

        • Anonymous

          put up or shut up.. running away..?? Identity theft? wow. You make it incredibly hard to talk to you at all.

          You have no clue what I have been through but thanks for the belittlement. I’ll be back this weekend.

        • Mayhem

          Did i generalise too much for your liking, RAIN? After all you did say…

          “I was subjected to a cyber attack, with all documents and files destroyed or confiscated, my original account hijacked, (which is still being held by someone other than me), and I was denied access to BIN, all occurring just as I was about to go into detail.”

          … which i shortened to “identity theft” so sue me. When i sleighted you, for fleeing, i made it very clear that i was expressing personal opinion and even allowed that i might be completely wrong on the matter. That’s why i used words like if, coincidence and I – don’t you see.

          Please, my friend, don’t take this personally and no one is forcing you to participate. Now then; do you have a rebuttal for the proffered defence, of my initial position. I don’t mean right now but when and if you’re able?

        • Scanner Darko

          RAIN said, “you’ll have to remind me of what was said.. sorry, I really don’t recall the context.”

          That was my article the last debate took place on and, interestingly enough, it got deleted shortly after your departure as well. Whatever was said has been lost.

          (Quick suggestion, find another article with ‘more room’, link to it, and continue on)

        • CAPTAIN CHAOS!!

          “…interestingly enough, it got deleted shortly after your departure as well.”

          That is interesting.

        • CAPTAIN CHAOS!!

          Hello the BOARD!!!

          Here is a timely update –

          Erstwhile Mayhem has been given a suspension from The BIN, for an as yet undetermined period of time, for posting the following comment on a King Shambhala article:

          “The Bin cares little about the hows-&-whys of it all and only that many many, clicks, do indeed drown.”

          Indeed, some bloodthirsty commentary, that.

          A resumed debate between Mayhem and RAIN will have to be put on hold.

          (And if any of you suspect motive in the timing of this suspension, you are little more than conspiracy-minded goobersmoochers. Or something like that.)

        • CrowPie

          Walter,

          I guess we will see if there is a double standard here in a day or so. If you disappear we will know why…..

        • CAPTAIN CHAOS!!

          Nope. Still here.

          Maybe they just hate Mayhem more than they hate me.

          Hard to imagine.

          (They’re probably racist against Kiwis.)

        • CrowPie

          Yep…..Pretty obvious the reason named is suspect. I smell something…….

          Do you smell something?

        • Mayhem

          Unfortunately there is no conspiracy and at the end of the day The Bin is free to use as well as a private company so they can have whatever rules they like. I got the impression that my comment was tripped over rather than tripping any sort of filter and I presume that is why Walter’s quotation hasn’t been deleted.

          Upon e-mailing the admins, “Dear Editor” – Mike R – informed me that my comment was derogatory. I agreed, because it’s true, but pointed out that it was correct all the same. After admitting the whole affair wasn’t worth anyone getting their under-garments in a bunch, I wished “Dear Editor” well before building a bridge.

          I got lolled and invited to write for The Bin although that looked like the sort of afterthought that gets put on the bottom of all e-mails from our “Dear Editor”.

          Mayhem promises to be a good little troll, sort of.

        • CrowPie

          At any rate….glad your back. The boards are not the same without your sign.

          I am not surprised that you got lolled, or that you were asked to write as a contributor. It seems only a natural progression considering how quickly Chris, Lisa and Lyn were to sign on to your twitter account. I’ll never forget how surprised I was when you posted that on the board. Especially considering the ‘difficulties’ we ‘Christoids’ have been want to give them. But then…..I suppose they have to promote themselves (shamelessly) at every opportunity.

          Lyn and Lisa would have been terribly worried about their position had you accepted. That is a scenario I would have paid Good money to see. But, alas……

        • Anonymous

          WOW. So.. I just got back from a long memorial day weekend and a quick scan here has been a bit unsettling to say the least.

          Scanner.. the article was deleted? That is incredibly disturbing, but fits in well with so much else i have witnessed and experienced. I will tell you right now, although Mayhem has tried to characterize my “departure’ as running away, there is absolutely no truth to that whatsoever. I was forced out, and denied access, However, it was not by BIN. I also had to agree not to access BIN in any way, not to ever even open the site until this past Jan. 2015. But, this was all due to my honoring a “request” by members of my own research and gamesman group.

          I would also like to say right now that I will stand by my position on the holocaust through eternity. I have a lot to say in response, and much to offer. heh, as if already handing over access to THIRTY MILLION PAGES OF DOCUMENTATION ISN’T ENOUGH?

          the funniest part of all this is that the holocaust, as fact, is firmly established and the burden of proof against it, in a discussion of the veracity of this, is upon the denier.. which is an impossibility.
          It cannot be disproven.

          I have some very very interesting info on all this however and I will share soon. meanwhile.. please read this article from 2007.. I also have some follow up to what is stated, which I will include later.. as well as much more.

          and, Mayhem.. I will address what you have said here, you really need to know the truth.

          here’s the article I just referenced:

          http://www.sfgate.com/opinion/article/A-new-window-into-Nazi-death-camps-Holocaust-2611587.php

        • Mayhem

          What does that article have to do with the systematic annihilation of six million Jews, predominately by gassing, Rain? It is merely an advisory on how the digitizing of a whole bunch of records is progressing. The article, itself, contains zero evidence and is entirely a hurry-up-and-wait missive.

          The crux of that document reveals that the focus will be placed on (a) incarceration facilities and transportation (b) forced labourers (c) corporate beneficiaries (d) tracing survivors. Presumably because that is what their evidence supports and nowhere does it say “gassing”, “gas chamber” or even “systematic” anything. So why are you wasting my time with this?

          I can tell that that sort of article impresses you, no end, seeing how you’ve said the exact same thing a few times now. Like…

          “I have some very very interesting info on all this however and I will share soon”

          … which is precisely what that article said. You wonder that i’m harsh while this is the level of respect you show these boards. Pfft!

          @CrowPie. Thanks and that was very sweet of you to say.

        • Anonymous

          YOU are now trying to call me out on respect?? Coming from you, that’s a laugh, mayhem. One only needs to read into the character of your responses to me here, to question where you are coming from with that. Funny how you incessantly attempt to turn a discussion into personal attack. you really want to go that route, again? I suggest you put an end to your insolence.

          Why not instead state your argument precisely.. what exactly is your position? What are you trying to debate here? I have no idea what your fuss is about now. Do you have any clue as to what my position is and has always been? I have always focused on the aspect of lies and deception as a means of coverup concerning the holocaust.. I have never claimed 6 million jews were killed either totally or predominantly by gassing. I have never claimed 6 million is an accurate figure, but do believe it is well over 5 million. I have also stated that the holocaust did happen and annihilated many millions of People.. and I say it was a deliberate action.
          You had stated before, “it never happened”, in reference to the holocaust. well, what exactly, didn’t happen, and what did? I see that you use the term, holohoax. What do you mean by that? What is your position on extermination by gassing? did it happen or not? Were there crematoriums as well as gas chambers, or not? I don’t know what it is you believe..

          You began this exchange with,

          I was willing to ignore your comments until you said…

          “Evidence proving the occurrence of a “holocaust” is realistically irrefutable and yet denial persists”

          … to which i ask you to put up or shut up and no we are not discussing the general horrors of war rather than the planned systematic annihilation of six million Jews.

          And yet, i had already stated,

          The problem with discussions of the holocaust is that the term is rarely, if ever, actually defined first. were 6 million Jews gassed? No. But that does not constitute the holocaust. Did millions upon millions of people die as a result of nazi atrocities, including (but not exclusively) gassing? Hell yes.

          Put up or shut up, what, exactly? What is it you are looking for here?

        • Mayhem

          Surely it’s high time you started answering some of my questions before you go about demanding anything from me, RAIN. You linked to this opinion piece…

          http://www.sfgate.com/opinion/article/A-new-window-into-Nazi-death-camps-Holocaust-2611587.php

          … and the question – “What does that article have to do with the systematic annihilation of six million Jews, predominately by gassing, Rain?” – remains unanswered.

        • Mayhem

          What i am looking for, my friend, is evidence that withstands critical analysis. For the Holocaust that is taught as a fact of history. This Holocaust…

          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust

          … and diddling the figures by one million hardly makes for a significant point to argue over. We’re taught 6 you say 5 and i say that’s you playing on a slide.

    • Mayhem

      The Stockholm International Forum, 2000 – Guidelines for Teaching about the Holocaust…

      “Care must be taken not to give a platform for deniers… or seek to disprove the deniers’ position through normal historical debate and rational argument.”

      … and the obvious question is, what are they afraid of?

      • Mayhem

        The British Intelligence analysts cracked the “Enigma” code in 1941 giving an insight into the camp authorities desperation in trying to conserve the inmates lives.

        This was probably due to noticing that the prisoners couldn’t be forced to work, for the German war effort, once they were dead.

        • CrowPie

          Couldn’t have their cake and eat it, too. Eh?

        • Mayhem

          Correct; they couldn’t kill the Jews and get them to work afterwards. That is why the camp authorities were desperate to keep them alive.

        • CrowPie

          I guess that explains why many of them survived…….

        • Mayhem

          Yes, Ma’am, it would and the German’s have a list of these entitled survivors too. They’re big on lists those Germans.

          Some 120 billion dollars, and counting, have been paid in reparations, to date, which leads me to wonder if that could be a reason for perpetuating this lie?

          Follow the money.

        • CrowPie

          On that same note…..not wanting to pay money is also a reason for denying an event ever took place…… :idea:

        • Mayhem

          Germany isn’t allowed to deny the holocaust because the Victors said so and that is why the Germans have a law against it.

          Would it interest you to know, CrowPie, that it never occurred to me to question the Holocaust till around five years ago? In fact it; was our mutual acquaintance who first tasked me to examine the evidence, on this topic. You know him as “Wally” but i don’t want him shooting me in the face and will therefore refer to him as Beef Supreme.

        • CrowPie

          Yes…..I know his thinking about the subject. I’ve read prior posts that he has made on the subject.

          But, He and I differ on several subjects. For myself it only means we disagree. I don’t know how he feels….he may be so inclined as to disassociate with me for my opinions. Many may……if so…..there is little I can do to change that. But I don’t see Mr. Supreme as being emotionally immature or flighty. Whatever he decides…..he will do with a sense of calm and finality.

        • Mayhem

          Fair enough and back to the evidence then. Do you have any or will you restrict yourself to scoffing at what is offered for consideration?

        • CrowPie

          And Why , exactly , do I need to present evidence?

          You, After all, are the one that bears the burden in real life (Not BIN LIFE) of proof that your claims are legitimate.

          As it stands……I stand under the gold standard, if you will. You are the one wishing to make the change in protocol.

        • Mayhem

          I didn’t say you needed to present any evidence and here we go, again, with you putting words in my mouth. That’s twice, already, you’ve done that in this thread.

        • CrowPie

          My you are precious and tender….aren’t you.

        • Mayhem

          Rather than address the subject at hand you have chosen to spend several hours focusing on me completely oblivious to how boring that might be to me let alone other readers.

          I’ll leave you to the name calling, CrowPie, seeing how there’s nothing to be gained from it.

        • CrowPie

          I think anyone who reads this thread will see right through that ‘several hours of concentrating on you and not the subject matter’ comment.

        • Mayhem

          I ask the reader to consider what it takes to stand in the gap on this galvanizing and particularly emotive issue.

          http://incogman.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/WHAT-H-DENIERS-CLAIM.jpg

          Claims about “Holocaust Deniers” – Facts And Lies.

        • BEEF SUPREME

          CrowPie wrote:

          “[His BEEFISHNESS] may be so inclined as to disassociate with me for my opinions.”

          Not so, sister. The brethren comes first. Like all brothers and sisters – we are prone to arguing with one another. It’s just what we do. Our Boss would take a dim view of our shunning other members of His Body because those members stick to their guns and bear witness to what they see.

          This topic, more so than any other topic in the history of topics, is utterly incendiary. Nothing is more loaded with pitfalls and emotional dynamite than this burdensome question. And we are all burdened by it.

          Mayhem wrote:

          “I ask the reader to consider what it takes to stand in the gap on this galvanizing and particularly emotive issue.”

          Can you smell it in the air? This issue is about to be used for yet further nefarious deeds. ‘They’ haven’t finished wringing mileage out of it yet. Get ready for the blowback. The force from the blowback will be guided by expert hands to suit their purposes. We don’t want any of that either.

        • Mayhem

          Oh heck now i’m for it. That’s him, right above me, isn’t it? For the record i didn’t call him “Wally”, CrowPie did, and i thought he was only joking when he promised to shoot folk who called him that.

          But seriously, WALTER, your warnings about perspective and repercussions are well timed and do not go unheeded. I can be accused of believing i’m on the outside looking in but i’m determined to face down the blow-back that comes from it and trust i’ll be given the right words when the time arrives.

        • CrowPie

          Walter,

          I am firmly reprimanded for referring to you as “Mr.Supreme.” It wasn’t intentional. Old southern habits …….I do hope you understand.

        • CrowPie

          Walter,

          Apologies for having to break up this reply….but the princess pup of the house had to go handle some business….if you get my drift……those things must not wait.

          I appreciate your speaking up on this matter. It is, indeed, important that those of us who believe in The Word should remain intact.

        • CrowPie

          I can only guess……not hard to figure out though……all I gotta do is click and look……

        • CrowPie

          Ahem……please excuse the above…..that does not belong here……it was meant to go out in an e-mail. Has no business here.

          Good thing my e-mails are G-rated and contain no real information. Yes? :lol:

    • Mayhem

      According to the International Red Cross the number of deaths across 13 “death camps” amounted to around 270,000.

      /alternative/2013/11/international-red-cross-records-put-the-holocaust-death-toll-of-camp-inmates-at-271301-2835710.html

      What six million? Are they found on that census graph i linked to earlier?

    • Mayhem

      According to the World Almanac the before and after estimated Jewish population increased by almost half a million.

      https://i0.wp.com/www.helpfreetheearth.com/img/almanac.jpg

    • NWO for Dummies.

      Lying is part of the jewish tradition….I wont say religion. they bullshut about the holocaust like no ones business. they were work camps pure and simple…who do you think worked the factories for the war effort. all the men were at the front.

    • The Real Deal

      In some countries it is illegal to question the Holocaust. Here in America, they threatened a school safety officer for questioning Sandy Hook.

      The lady in this video made a great comment. “…For the truth needs no laws.”

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