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Now, Tammuz was a Babylonian god. He was the god of resurrection. He was worshipped in the springtime as the trees would come into blossom. They would morn [sic] for Tammuz in the fall as the leaves were dying on the trees and the trees were going bare and all; they would weep for Tammuz. But then in the springtime when the trees would begin to bud and blossom and all again, they would have great parties and they would decorate eggs and celebrate the resurrection of Tammuz, because now we have new life. The new life of spring is around us and the egg is a symbol of perpetuated life, because it’s through the egg that the little birds or chicks or whatever are hatched. And so it’s a symbol of the perpetuating of life. And so, they would take the eggs and color them, draw on them, and would have these parties with the colored eggs celebrating the resurrection of Tammuz.
Any similarity is far from coincidental. The church unfortunately adopted the pagan practice of the worship of Tammuz and the resurrection of Tammuz and incorporated it into the church, calling it Easter. And having an Easter Sunday, taking the name of the Greek goddess Astarte who was supposed to be the consort of Adonis, who is the Greek equivalent to Tammuz. And we have incorporated into the church and there are churches that have Easter egg hunts and give baskets of colored eggs to the children and all at Easter time, Astarte.
In the early church we don’t read of them celebrating the resurrection of Christ on any particular day, but because the pagans were all celebrating in this pagan worship of Tammuz, and they had this day which they acclaimed the resurrection and all in the springtime, the church didn’t want their people to feel left out. And so, they said, “This is the day that Jesus rose, and we’ll color the eggs and do the same bit, but we’re celebrating now the resurrection of Jesus.”
Now, how about that? Not only do we have a dying-and-rising savior god centuries prior to the Christian era, but it’s HIS resurrection that is celebrated at “Easter,” not that of Jesus!
http://freethoughtnation.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=13799
“Now, how about that? Not only do we have a dying-and-rising savior god centuries prior to the Christian era, but it’s HIS resurrection that is celebrated at “Easter,” not that of Jesus!”
Let me clear it up for TubalCain007 because clearly you are devoid of any rational thought.
Perhaps the strangest of all references to the Biblical Nimrod is the allusion to his unholy trinity. According to legend, Nimrod (Osiris) had a wife named Semiramis (Isis), whom bore a son by the name of Tammuz (Horus). After Nimrod’s death, Semiramis began preaching that Tammuz was Nimrod reborn. Nimrod becomes the satanic power behind Tammuz, Semiramis becomes the false prophet, and Tammuz takes on attributes of a false Christ. Semiramis declared that Tammuz was supernaturally conceived and that he was the savior of mankind. Semiramis knew of the story of a coming messiah, conceived through an occult virgin birth, and was sentenced to death only to be resurrected. Tammuz gains his power and authority because of Nimrod’s previous position. His mother proclaims that Nimrod has been reborn, so in a sense, Nimrod has been resurrected, and Tammuz is just the vessel he is using. After his death, Tammuz descends into the underworld and through the weeping of his mother he is resurrected in the form of vegetation. His death was celebrated by throwing a log into a fire and letting it burn all night. Once the log was burned up, they celebrated the resurrection of Tammuz by erecting and decorating a tree [obelisk - phallus], which is where we get the Yule Log and Christmas tree traditions. Please note that the Bible mentions Tammuz only once, but it is in reference to his death being part of pagan worship.
Ezekiel 8:14-15: “Then he brought me to the door of the gate of the Lord’s house which was toward the north; and, behold, there sat women weeping for Tammuz. Then said he unto me, Hast thou seen this, O son of man? turn thee yet again, and thou shalt see greater abominations than these.”
So Nimrod is the originator of the first major rebellion against God on Earth, just as Lucifer initiated the rebellion in heaven. After his death, Nimrod was deified as the god Baal [ball], just as Lucifer is referred to as the god of this world. This sheds light on why both God and Moses were so mad about the worshipping of Baal in Exodus 32. Baal worship extended all the way back to Babylon and was an abomination to God. Semiramis becomes the false prophet by getting people to worship Tammuz, just as the false prophet will get people to worship Satan through the antichrist. Some believe that Satan will bear a son that will become the antichrist (Genesis 3:15). Others believe that Satan will simply empower the antichrist. Yet another group believes that Satan will possess the man that is to become the antichrist. Either by design or coincidence, the Nimrod story contains all three views. Semiramis conceives Tammuz with Nimrod (Baal/Osiris/Gilgamesh/Marduk) who then inhabits and empowers his own son.
Over time, Semiramis/Isis/Columbia became known as the Mother Goddess [mother earth – Gaia] and the Queen of Heaven, under names Ishtar, Eostre, Astarte, Ostera, and Eastre. All of these names are where we derive the word for, and the tradition of, Easter. Semiramis was associated with fertility and one symbol used to represent her was a rabbit which was intended to represent hyper-sexualization; not virginity. As time went on, Semiramis was said to have originally hatched from a giant egg, leaving us with the Easter egg as a permanent part of modern society which wrongly perceives Easter as a holiday connected to the ‘Virgin’ Mary.
When the Catholic Church came into power, they switched Semiramis with Mary as the Queen of Heaven, associated Easter with the resurrection of Christ, turned the Roman festival of Saturnalia (December 25th) into the birthday of Christ, and adopted the practices of log burning and decorating of trees as part of the celebration of Christ’s birth. Finally, in 321 A.D., Constantine the Great issues an edict to make Sun-day the official day of worship in order to appease Christians and sun worshippers. Sunday as a day of worship links back to the ancient practice of Babylonian sun worship. Because the Catholic Church adopted many of these pagan practices with their great power and influence and infused them into the Christian religion, the multitudes believe them to be true. Babylon has maintained a religious hold on all of society for thousands of years. It is where the very first human rebellion against God took place and, according to the Bible, it will also be the source of the very last human rebellion against God.
The Vatican has manipulated the scripture for centuries to adapt to moral transformations of the collective populace. Famous occultist Manly P. Hall told us, “The rise of the Christian church broke up the intellectual pattern of the classical pagan world. By persecution of the pattern’s ideologies it drove the secret societies into greater secrecy; the pagan intellectuals then reclothed their original ideas in a garment of Christian phraseology, but bestowed the keys of the symbolism only upon those duly initiated and bound to secrecy by their vows.” This is simply done to maintain stability as the world’s highest religious authority through the power of numbers. Remember, it was Pontius Pilate, under Roman authority, who authorized the crucifixion of Jesus. About forty years after Christ’s crucifixion, it was Roman Emperor Nero and General Titus who destroyed the second temple of Jerusalem, taking all the treasures and secret teachings hidden there within. It wasn’t until the 3rd century that this historically pagan church adopted elements of Christianity to take control of the power that was spreading around the world from the words of Jesus. Until recently, a large percentage of the world’s population was illiterate and only the papacy was allowed to tell the general people what the Bible said. Post-Enlightenment, the Bible became mass-produced and, for the first time in history, the Word became available to all.
One major fallacy which cannot be ignored is the Catholic tradition of worshipping the ‘Virgin’ Mary. The Bible tells us multiple times to worship none other than the Son of Man: Jesus Christ. It forbids idol worship which includes the cross, Mary and the rosary, Roman popes, the sun and the moon, the Star of David, the Jesus Fish, etc. The Bible is clear about the fact that Mary was not perfect, nor did she remain a virgin for the entirety of her life. God commands us to multiply; never does he tell us to marry ourselves unto him. After the birth of Christ, Mary and Joseph had children of their own. Mary was not chosen because of her sainthood, but because of her uncontaminated bloodline that can be traced back through the generations to God’s promise with the seed of Abraham and Sarah (Genesis 17:18-19). Essentially, God used Mary’s uncorrupted X chromosome and mingled her seed with His perfected Y chromosome. Worshipping the Virgin Mary is nothing more than a secretive veil that is meant to empower the pagan version of Mary – Semiramis, i.e., the Whore of Babylon.
Do you have anything to back up all those statments besides the Bible? You can’t use the Bible as a source or anybody connected?
Also after further reading of your long post I really can’t find anything to disagree with you on that.I will have to say a bit different view then I have but not a bad post Omega Files.
Except in where you said that you must worship this Jesus. I don’t believe in the Bible or Jesus so I don’t follow its dogmas but to each they’re own. Maybe you find comfort in worshipping a godman but I don’t need the comfort of worshipping something outside of myself. I am quite happy with myself.
“I don’t need the comfort of worshipping something outside of myself”
Spoken like a true Luciferian… To each their own…
“Also after further reading of your long post I really can’t find anything to disagree with you on that”
Enough said.
Omega I don’t consider myself a Luciferian but if you think I am then go right ahead a label really don’t bother me. Maybe I should feel complemented since you have called me that though. So I don’t mind being called a “Light bearer”
Despite all the political intrigue, Lucifer simply means “Light bearer,” and he was in the earliest times a sun god, which is why he is called “Day Star, son of morning/dawn.” The sun god Lucifer is “cast out of heaven” by the other angels, or stars, as night descends. This god/angel Lucifer is pre-Hebraic, found in Canaan, Egypt and Mesopotamia, and was not originally considered evil…”
- C.C. (229)
The pertinent verses at Isaiah 14:12-14 that discuss ascending into heaven purport to represent the bragging of the character “Heylel,” translated as Lucifer, the “Light-Bearer.” Per Strong’s (H1966), however, Heylel or Helel could also refer either to a king of Babylon or to the “morning star,” i.e., the planet Venus. In fact, one of Venus’s epithets in Greek was “Phosphoros,” or “Light bearer.” The RSV translates the term “Helel” at Isaiah 14:12 as, “O Day Star, son of Dawn!” In the Septuagint (3rd-1st cent. BCE), the word “Helel” is rendered as “(H)eosphoros,” which just happens to be the name of a very old Greek god/titan who served as one aspect of the planet Venus. This god Eosphoros is mentioned in Homer’s Iliad (23:226) and in Hesiod’s Theogony (378), dating to the 9th and 8th centuries BCE, respectively…
If you wonder why both coin sides depict “Morning Star”, the reason appears in the Bible, as it refers to both Jesus and Lucifer as the morning star. The Latin word Lucifer (light-bearer) comes translated from the Hebrew word for morning star. Since the morning star always appears low on the horizon, the ancients thought of it as a fallen star (representing the fallen angel). Venus also appears as the brightest “star” in the heavens, thus the “bright and morning star.” In the Great Revelation (see Revelation 22:16,) Jesus reveals himself as “the bright and morning star.”
http://www.nobeliefs.com/GodSatanCoin.htm
So according to the Bible Jesus could be considered a Luciferian also.
Truthseeker:
“I don’t consider myself a Luciferian but if you think I am then go right ahead a label really don’t bother me. Maybe I should feel complemented since you have called me that though. So I don’t mind being called a “Light bearer”
Listen, I don’t mean any disrespect. I simply call it how it is. Because you choose to ignore the correlation does not mean that it doesn’t exist. You have admitted to being a follower of Saturn. Saturn and Satan/Lucifer are one in the same. You’ve been told to research the Saturnalian Brotherhood so I am sure that you know exactly what I am talking about. If you only choose to research your own personal ‘rainbows-and-butterflies’ doctrine then you will obviously remain oblivious to the ramifications of your actions. You think you are doing good, but you are NOT!
“Saturn is an important key to understanding the long heritage this conspiracy has back to antiquity. The city of Rome was originally known as Saturnia or City of Saturn. The Roman Catholic church retains much of the Saturn worship in its ritual. Saturn also relates to Lucifer. In various occult dictionaries Saturn is associated with evil. Saturn was important to the religion of Mithra, and also the Druids.” –Fritz Springmeier, “Bloodlines of the Illuminati”
Brother, this is a very simple concept. And you are clearly a smart individual. The fact that you choose to ignore the congruencies demonstrates how you narrow minded you have become. You believe that you have the power of God within you and that you don’t need Him. You are wittingly, or unwittingly, on an incredibly destructive path and if you don’t wake up before to it’s to late… then it will be too late brother…
We’ve been telling you about this connection for some time now. You won’t be able to claim ignorance for following the Luciferian doctrine come Judgment Day. The Truth, being so obvious, removes any claim of a middle ground. You strut around this website day-in-and-day-out ridiculing the Most High while glorifying the doctrine of Saturn/Lucifer. Take your head out of your David Icke books and search for the Truth.
“If you wonder why both coin sides depict “Morning Star”
You should take heed Brother to remember the “Mirror of mockery that reflects the light from INSIDE the darkness”
One of the Beings you discuss stands on the “top of the pyramid” and “looks down on humanity in jealousy” The light he offers is blinding and covetous. This “Lord of the Air” is also hidden in plain sight. Use your time in the midnight sea wisely.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/–SgJivXe9Dc/Ul6i1S8BScI/AAAAAAAAAcg/56j46jMIjFY/s1600/Alchemy_air_symbol.svg.png
( with so many mirrors of the same story going around Truthseeker007, you need to ask yourself only if a reflection exists on it’s own in a void )
Merkin said: “Mirror of mockery that reflects the light from INSIDE the darkness”
Remember those words.
All this BABBLE, BY ALL MEN, over a white-skinned human male with a dick,who never existed, who was a money making FABLE of very EVIL MEN!
HAHAHAHAHAHA
Just like your “ancient books” OF ALL MALE WRITTEN LYING BABBLE!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
WHAT FREEK IN LUNATICS YOU ALL ARE!
NO ONE COMES TO SAVE YOU LUNATICS, FROM YOUR LUNATIC SELVES!
WALK AWAY, NOW, before you go violently INSANE!
Aahhhhhhhh……….. THE HORROR OF LYING, CHEATING and very VIOLENT chris O CREEPS……………. THE HORROR OF LYING, CHEATING and very VIOLENT chris O CREEPS.
You SOB’S are TRULY SCARY INDIVIDUALS!
It is time to Lock you ALL AWAY!
You are SO RIGHT, BEEF!
And, they INSIST THAT THEY ARE NOT HOMO’S, but they ARE ALL LOOKING FORWARD TO A “HOMO HEAVEN” FOR ALL eternity!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Oh, god, they are killing me I am laughing SO HARD!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
AND I “need help” if I do NOT believe this pure bull crap!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Aahhhhhhhh……….. THE HORROR OF LYING, CHEATING and very VIOLENT chris O CREEPS……………. THE HORROR OF LYING, CHEATING and very VIOLENT chris O CREEPS.
” I-OMEGA”
Would you mind making a Merkin account?
I’m think Jean Luc Piccard might be a good avatar. Bald but strong with a spark of EL in his eye.
Ben Kingsley maybe. “The Beast”
What about Yul Brenner ? Nah… that’s Geepers icon.
What’s new girl?
Omega Files said:
Listen, I don’t mean any disrespect. I simply call it how it is. Because you choose to ignore the correlation does not mean that it doesn’t exist. You have admitted to being a follower of Saturn. Saturn and Satan/Lucifer are one in the same. You’ve been told to research the Saturnalian Brotherhood so I am sure that you know exactly what I am talking about. If you only choose to research your own personal ‘rainbows-and-butterflies’ doctrine then you will obviously remain oblivious to the ramifications of your actions. You think you are doing good, but you are NOT!End Quote
What are you talking about? Now you are just making things up!!! I have never said that I was a follower of Saturn or Satan!!YOU must hvae me confused with someone else.I want you to find a post where I have said that.If anything I have said that people that worship Yehweh are followers of Saturn so I have no idea how you got that confused!LOL!
Omega Files said:
“Saturn is an important key to understanding the long heritage this conspiracy has back to antiquity. The city of Rome was originally known as Saturnia or City of Saturn. The Roman Catholic church retains much of the Saturn worship in its ritual. Saturn also relates to Lucifer. In various occult dictionaries Saturn is associated with evil. Saturn was important to the religion of Mithra, and also the Druids.” –Fritz Springmeier, “Bloodlines of the Illuminati” End Quote
I agree with you on that!!!
Omega Files:
Brother, this is a very simple concept. And you are clearly a smart individual. The fact that you choose to ignore the congruencies demonstrates how you narrow minded you have become. You believe that you have the power of God within you and that you don’t need Him. You are wittingly, or unwittingly, on an incredibly destructive path and if you don’t wake up before to it’s to late… then it will be too late brother…End Quote
I don’t worship the Bible god because I know he is an imposter.At one time I did fall for the religion scam but I have found my way out of it.Maybe you should try this THOUGHT EXPERIMENT that can be found here:
http://enkispeaks.com/2013/12/09/anunnaki-god-flu-immunization-web-radio-articles-by-ray-lessin-freer/
Achary S puts it together very well here:
The conscious, awakened individual will know in her/his inner being that she/he is “one with creation,” but will also know that as the creator of her/his own drama she/he has chosen to incarnate into the denser, more deluded realms, for the sake of the experience itself. He or she has no other reason for incarnating, just as “God,” or the universal mind, has no reason for creating except for its own amusement. Once an illuminated soul knows this, then he or she is free to create his or her own experience and purpose for incarnating. This experience is liberation. It is enlightenment.
Enlightenment, which seems to many to be so nebulous, awesome and scary, is very easy. It is not miracles or magic tricks, although those can be developed if desired strongly enough. Enlightenment is simply the realization of who is pulling the strings of one’s puppet. It is the revelation of autonomy to the individual. It is the bestowal of the ultimate God-authority over one’s own being. It is when the cosmic creative mind and the individual consciousness merge, when one’s mind becomes united with the Cosmos. This mental merger goes beyond the mind and penetrates the very cells of the being.
This penetration is possible because the God-force resides within the soul-cells of every entity.
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/mistic/mistic2/whatisgod_gg.htm
Omega Files
We’ve been telling you about this connection for some time now. You won’t be able to claim ignorance for following the Luciferian doctrine come Judgment Day. The Truth, being so obvious, removes any claim of a middle ground. You strut around this website day-in-and-day-out ridiculing the Most High while glorifying the doctrine of Saturn/Lucifer. Take your head out of your David Icke books and search for the Truth.End Quote
What are you talking about? You haven’t told me anything I didn’t already know!!You are missing the connection between Saturn and Yahweh-Jahovah
The Holy Sabbath is actually the worship of the planet Saturn. If you “keep the Sabbath,” then you are carrying on the ancient worship of this pagan god. That is why he is worshipped on Saturn’s Day — which today we call “Saturday.” http://www.jordanmaxwell.com/articles/religion/religion10.html Reference: The Sabbath Planet
Christianity/Catholicism and the Jesuit Order are none other than a present day extension of the Saturnalian/Sat worship that predates the mainstream religions by over a millenia. These holy fathers, these “pa”triarchs of god (El/Sat) are pirates/pyrits, and it is a pirate that would fool a man to get what they want (missions ring a bell/bel/ba’al?). They seek mastery over serpentine energy/phyre (Archons/Arc-Cons). There are reasons why Sat is considered the father of gods and is worshiped as a fertile one, and thus there are reasons why Valentine’s is a cunning plan of the worship of this god. These pyrits, or “holy fa-thers/pa-tri-arch”, are the same as the priests who had dressed up in goatskin in ritual sacrifice for the horny goat gods of Sat. What has been cloaked is the worship/warship of these deities and replaced simply with the Saint, which now that you would know is a Satin, which you could call a priest of Sat. http://www.resistance2010.com/forum/topics/valentine-or-veil-in-time?commentId=3228704%3AComment%3A133082
http://www.whale.to/c/saturn.html
“Then when you get further into Saturn, you begin to understand that his color is black, that he was a God of one of the many different Semitic tribes, or groups, and one of his symbols was a square. Then you get into the square black mortarboard that the university or high school students wear when they graduate.
It is a square on his head, and it is usually black. The color of Saturn, one of the ancient Hebrew Gods. This is the same black used on the robe the judge wears when he is going to throw you in jail. Because the black represents Saturn. Saturn is the old Semitic God.
The plural term Elohim appears over 2500 times in the Old Testament but is falsely translated in most versions. This fact of plurality explains why in Genesis ‘Gods’ said, ‘Let us make man in our image.’
As stated, Elohim refers to both ‘gods’ and ‘goddesses,’ and its singular form, El, served as a prefix or suffix to names of gods, people and places, whence EmmanuEl, GabriEl, BethEl, etc. Even ‘Satan’ was one of the Elohim.”
Acharya S., “The Christ Conspiracy” (67)
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/atlantean_conspiracy/atlantean_conspiracy37.htm
“Acharya S., “The Christ Conspiracy” (67)”
^ that thing is not your friend Truthseeker007
“I want you to find a post where I have said that”
… You may be right. I couldn’t find anything. These debates are beginning to blend together. Forgive me for that presumption. Though it should be noted that your dogma is nothing more than a watered down version of Saturn’s dogma. It all belongs to the same side of this spiritual war.
“I don’t worship the Bible god because I know he is an imposter”
… you THINK He is an imposter. I used to be just like you too but I eventually awake to the odd similarities between these teachings that would go out of their way in an attempt to discredit Yah by turning him in to the ‘sun-god’. People like David Icke can be very convincing. But if you don’t step out of your little box of research, then you will never be able to see around their lies.
“You are missing the connection between Saturn and Yahweh-Jahovah… The Holy Sabbath is actually the worship of the planet Saturn”
… You completely underestimate Satan – and even the Creator’s ability to send a delusion. Merkin said it best, there is a “mirror of mockery reflecting light from within the darkness”. I’m not going to research this for you. It can easily be discredited but if you chose to only read material presented from one side of the debate than that is your problem. I could provide a rebuttal to this, but no matter how strong I refute this claim, you would shake it off as me just “putting a religious spin on it”. Every day of the week is named after a pagan god. This argument has no base.
“Christianity/Catholicism and the Jesuit Order are none other than a present day extension of the Saturnalian/Sat worship that predates the mainstream religions by over a millennia”
… This point became irrelevant after we both came under the agreement that “churches are not going to lead people to the truth”.
Brother “Truthseeker007″
I can clarify the following thought for you in an easy way:
Quote:
“Omega I don’t consider myself a Luciferian”
*Folks rarely do unless they get far enough down the rabbit hole and realize the Minotaur for what it is.
Luciferians spend their lives: *In the service to self*
If you live your life in service to others there will be no further consideration needed.
Merkin said:
“Acharya S., “The Christ Conspiracy” (67)”
^ that thing is not your friend Truthseeker007
End Quote
On the contrary Merkin it is an absolute infomative book. I read it about 2 years ago.
I recommend it for you.
Omega Files Said:
…You may be right. I couldn’t find anything. These debates are beginning to blend together. Forgive me for that presumption. Though it should be noted that your dogma is nothing more than a watered down version of Saturn’s dogma. It all belongs to the same side of this spiritual war.End Quote
Thanks Omega for being honest so I forgive you. I don’t understand what dogma you are referring to for I am a very open minded person. I don’t follow a religion,I do as much research as I can on subjects. I meditate on finding the truth and I ask my higher self for guidence on separating the wheat from the shaft.I go where the evidence takes me and some of the things you have shown does not prove to me otherwise on what I have found.
Omega said:
… you THINK He is an imposter. I used to be just like you too but I eventually awake to the odd similarities between these teachings that would go out of their way in an attempt to discredit Yah by turning him in to the ‘sun-god’. People like David Icke can be very convincing. But if you don’t step out of your little box of research, then you will never be able to see around their lies.End Quote
Its funny how we have switched places then. At one time I was much like you.I was a Christian for about 20 years. From the age of 5 till about 25. I don’t only get my evidence from one source such as David Icke though he is very accurate in his books,some say otherwise but I have come to the same conclusions he had even before I read any of his books except the Reptilian part was new to me. I think for you to see what I see you would have to travel around the world a bit to get the whole picture.I don’t think Yahweh or Yah was the Sun I think his name was actually Enlil and was a flesh and blood entity.Do a research on Enlil and see what you come up with.
Omega said:
… You completely underestimate Satan – and even the Creator’s ability to send a delusion. Merkin said it best, there is a “mirror of mockery reflecting light from within the darkness”. I’m not going to research this for you. It can easily be discredited but if you chose to only read material presented from one side of the debate than that is your problem. I could provide a rebuttal to this, but no matter how strong I refute this claim, you would shake it off as me just “putting a religious spin on it”. Every day of the week is named after a pagan god. This argument has no base.End Quote
See I don’t believe they’re was a Satan because when you look how the word Satan started you would see that Satan is a myth and in actuality used to be Saturn. Now I know they’re is something called the Dark Force or the negative yang of this 3rd dimensional expearience. It is easy to see that the ones running this world are manipulated by this Dark Energy.This energy could be very much off planet such as Reptilians.I haven’t seen a Reptilian myself yet so I can’t conclude totally that Reptilians are behind the evil on this planet but many writers put up a good argument for this.Especially when you hear about the under ground bases in Dulce,New Mexico and you hear of people getting abducted by these beings. So there is something to it but I don’t label it Satan.
Omega said:
… This point became irrelevant after we both came under the agreement that “churches are not going to lead people to the truth”.End Quote
Agreed
Merkin
Yes Merkin there is service to self and service to others or STS or STO. I think from time to time we are all guilty of service to self.
“On the contrary Merkin it is an absolute infomative book. I read it about 2 years ago.
I recommend it for you.”
I’ve read it and seen many of the movie clips that use it as “gospel”
Yes it “is” very informative in many ways.
But my point stands “Acharya S” is not your friend.
“I don’t think Yahweh or Yah was the Sun I think his name was actually Enlil and was a flesh and blood entity.Do a research on Enlil and see what you come up with.”
I have to ask. Do you believe in A ‘God” ? I’m not sure how you can explain the natural order of the universe without acknowledging an omniscient and omnipresent One. An endless cycle of alien sprinklings will not do, the universe is finite.
Christmas is the Christian version of a very ancient festival celebrating light and the sun’s “birth,” as the hours of daylight increase following the winter solstice.
The winter solstice is the time of year when the night is the longest, after which the days start to lengthen again. The word “solstice” comes from the Latin solstitium and means “sun stands still.”
The ancients perceived the sun as battling for its life for six months, until it reached the solstice, at which point the newborn, reborn or resurrected solar deity was seen as “victorious” over the engulfing darkness.
Because the sun was viewed as the source of light, heat and life, its return was celebrated with great joy and happiness in many places globally. Here is precisely where “Christmas” comes from, except that the Christian celebration is not about the Roman sun god Sol Invictus, the Persian god of light Mithra, the Egyptian solar deity Horus, or the Japanese sun goddess Amaterasu. Instead, the winter solstice celebration has been changed into the birth of the Judeo-Christian “sun of righteousness,” Jesus Christ. (Malachi 4:2)
“Again Jesus spoke to them, saying, ‘I am the light of the world; he who follows me will not walk in darkness, but will have the light of life.’ (John 8:12)
http://www.examiner.com/article/christmas-is-an-ancient-celebration-of-light-with-many-gods-born-on-december-25
The most obvious corruption of Biblical text can be found in plain sight within the tradition of Santa Clause. Christmas is Satan’s favorite holiday. The name S-A-N-T-A is simply an anagram for S-A-T-A-N and HO-HO-HO is Hebrew for 6-6-6. One must seriously ask themselves, who receives millions of letters from anxious children every December? Not Jesus. Who do more parents encourage their children to believe in, and behave well for? Not Jesus. Who promises rewards every year in this life, without waiting for the next? And when children finally grow up and realize they were tricked into believing in Santa, who doesn’t really exist, might their distrust of beings without physical evidence carry over to ruin their faith in Jesus?
So Santa drives a sky chariot like the sun god Apollo and Santa’s chariot is tied to eight reindeer, like the sun has eight planets. Santa’s reindeer have names that make it clear the planets they represent move violently. Santa, on his sun-chariot, leaves his position at the North Pole at the winter solstice holiday. What is important to keep in mind is that Santa’s holiday is often symbolized by the axis with a pole star above it – the world tree with a star on top. Often, the center is conceived as an axis, represented as a mountain, a stairway or ladder, a pole, or a tree. It is most evidently symbolized in our Christmas tree, with the pivotal star at its summit. Santa will not enter a house through the door, only through the chimney. Jesus tells us in John 10:9: “I am the door; if anyone enters through me, he will be saved.” Santa is the opposite of salvation, he represents the materialism of this world and he comes with fire and ash and soot along the vertical axis. John 10:1 says, “Truly, I say to you, he who does not enter by the door into the fold of the sheep, but climbs up some other way, he is a thief.” Santa is a thief of milk and cookies and children’s beliefs, misdirected at Christmas time. Thus, the totality of the evidence would suggest that a pole shift has been prophesied to occur sometime around the Christmas holiday.
Satan cannot create, he can only imitate the written Word. He know of the coming the promised Messiah and created his own false version of the virgin birth. You have accepted this lie blindly and it will lead you to straight to you know where…
got a hold on you and you are willingly ignorant of this.
Another good post on Santa Omega Files.I have read some of that before. I can’t agree with you on Satan though since I don’t believe in the Myth of Satan or as it used to be called Saturn.
You are somewhat on the right track though.I think you put a relgious spin on it though which is ok. As John Lennon said “Whatever gets you through the night its allright”
“You are somewhat on the right track though.I think you put a relgious spin on it though which is ok”
Ignoring facts will not allow for them to simply go away.
” I don’t believe in the Myth of Satan or as it used to be called Saturn. ”
This is the point where your critical thinking is breaking down brother. It doesn’t matter what you believe in a world run by those that DO. Disbelief will not stop what’s coming around the corner.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_gti-jfXFE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akflUtK21_4
Merkin
Sorry I can’t watch your youtube videos because they are blocked at my work but I got a hint I think of what you were trying to say. I will reply with an excerpt from a well written book called the Gods of Eden:
Most apocalypses follow a similar pattern: Mankind will suffer upheaval during a future global cataclysm. The cataclysm will be followed by a Day of Judgment in which God or a representative of God will decide the fate of every person on Earth. Only those people who are obedient to the religion preaching the apocalypse will be granted mercy on the Day of Judgment. Everyone else will be doomed to death or eternal spiritual damnation. The Judgment Day will be followed by a Utopia on Earth to be enjoyed only by those who believed and obeyed.
Despite promises of a universal Shangri-La, these teachings often terrified people, and they still cause unease today. As we shall discuss shortly, fearsome apocalypses give spiritual truths another false twist and, more obviously, they subdue people into obeying a specific religion or leader. End of the World doctrines also make people afraid to explore competing religious systems, such as those offered by religious mavericks. Judgment Day teachings ultimately amount to extortion: obey or die.
The question is: who implanted apocalyptic beliefs on Earth? A Supreme Being is usually cited—but is a Supreme Being truly the source?
A careful look at history reveals that apocalyptic teachings first arose out of Custodial activity and from sources within the corrupted Brotherhood network. End of the World doctrines were disseminated by early Brotherhood missionaries and conquerors hand-in-hand with monotheism. It is therefore not surprising to learn that Final Battle doctrines have some roots in a famous Brotherhood symbol discovered on ancient Egyptian relics. That symbol was the mythical bird known as the phoenix.
The phoenix is a fictional bird which is said to live five hundred to six hundred years before burning itself to death in a nest of herbs. Out of the ashes emerges a small worm which grows back into the phoenix. The phoenix repeats this life-death-rebirth cycle over and over again, endlessly.
The phoenix legend is an allegory (a story with an underlying meaning), or symbol, designed to impart a deeper truth. Precisely what that truth is has been lost, and so we find people interpreting the phoenix legend in a variety of ways. For example, many people see the phoenix as a symbol of resurrection or spiritual survival after death: a soul is born into a body, the body flowers, the body undergoes the fiery rigors of life and death, and the soul remains intact to rise and build again. Others see the phoenix as a symbol of the birth-growth-decay cycle upon which the physical elements of the universe seem to operate, behind which there lies an indestructible spiritual reality.
Regrettably, the phoenix legend, like so many other mystical allegories of the Egyptian Brotherhood, distorted important truths. The legend came to convey the false idea that there exists some kind of unalterable “law” or “plan” which mandates that spiritual existence must consist of an arduous phoenix-like process of growing, dying by “fire,” emerging out of the ashes, growing again, dying again, and so on forever. While this process does seem to regulate life on Earth, it is neither natural, inevitable nor healthy.
Many “End of the World” teachings take the philosophy expressed in the phoenix myth and apply it to the entire human race. When they do so, they often express the notion that human societies must endure continuous “ordeals by fire” as part of God ’s great plan. Most apocalypses then veer from standard phoenix allegory by proclaiming that this process will culminate in a great “Final Battle” followed by a Utopia. These beliefs encourage people to tolerate, and even welcome, a world of unremitting physical hardship, conflict, and death: the kind of world that ancient writings say Custodians wished their work race to live in. Judgment Day prophesies even spur some people into working to bring about a “final battle” because those believers think that it will mean the dawn of a Utopia.
“End of the World” teachings were widely disseminated in Persia somewhere between 750 B.C. and 550 B.C. by a famous Persian prophet named Zoroaster.*
***********Later down in the Chapter**************************
For the sake of discussion, let us assume that it does: at any given moment in the present, there is a future already created that is as solid and as real as any moment in the past or present. Perhaps time is not as linear as we have believed.
If such a future already exists, does that mean that it is inevitable and must occur?
No.
Here is a simple two-part exercise to illustrate this:
Part 1:
Find a timepiece and note the time. Calculate what time it will be in exactly 30 seconds. Now decide exactly where you will be standing when that 30-second moment arrives. Watch the clock and be sure you are standing at the spot you chose.
You have just created a prophecy and fulfilled it.
Part 2:
Look at the clock again and decide on a new location. Ten seconds before the 30-second moment arrives, rethink whether you want to fulfill the prophecy. If you do, be at the place you decided upon; if you do not, choose a new location at random and be there when the 30-second moment arrives.
Repeat the above exercise several times.
Which of the two parts above created the stronger and more solid future? The answer, of course is Part 1. Which of the two futures would a prophet be more likely to foresee? The answer again is Part 1. The point being made is that the future is shaped largely by intention backed by action: the stronger the intention and the better its back-up by action, the more solid the future will tend to be.
The future is therefore malleable. A future reality, no matter how solid it is or how many prophets have agreed to its existence, can be changed. It will be irreversible only if people continue to perform, or fail to perform, those actions which will cause that future to come about, and no one does anything effective enough to counter those actions or inactions.
Some people would argue that the true seer would foresee the change of mind in Part 2 of the above exercise. If this is true, then the prophet has gained an extraordinary ability to influence the future, for he or she may now contact the subject of his or her vision and persuade that person to change his or her mind, or the seer may take actions to ensure or prevent the consequences of the decision
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vida_alien/godseden/godseden05.htm#Doom Prophets
Interesting read Truthseeker007.
“Bibliotecapleyades” is a cacophony of jumbled information but there is some good starting points in there.
“I got a hint I think of what you were trying to say”
Remember the hints I gave you about polarities.
Whether you believe in Satan, the Bible, Jesus, The end times, or not…
There are those that do. *They are not all just good bible fearing people*
( the dark mirror needs a “prime” image to exist at all. Negative space denotes a + )
You might not be interested in a book that appears to be a blueprint for the weak minded… but I would offer that “getting my hands on a blueprint others are following” is a good thing.
( YOU won’t be following a blueprint…. but studying a drivers manual packed with high math, history, and strangely pertinent information on keeping your car in shape for rough roads ahead )
I hope you can watch this short clip because I’m suggesting you should pick up the gun.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQ6kMWA2WRk
Merkin Said:
Interesting read Truthseeker007.
“Bibliotecapleyades” is a cacophony of jumbled information but there is some good starting points in there.End Quote
Thanks for taking the time to read it. Yes i really enjoy that site.It has a mass amount of a variety of infomation on it and also full books.That link from what you just read is from the book the Gods of Eden by William Bramley.The whole book is on there if you go to the bottom of the link.
Merkin Said:
Remember the hints I gave you about polarities.
Whether you believe in Satan, the Bible, Jesus, The end times, or not…
There are those that do. *They are not all just good bible fearing people*
( the dark mirror needs a “prime” image to exist at all. Negative space denotes a + )End Quote
Yes I agree with you on that and the yin and yang
Merkin:
You might not be interested in a book that appears to be a blueprint for the weak minded… but I would offer that “getting my hands on a blueprint others are following” is a good thing.
( YOU won’t be following a blueprint…. but studying a drivers manual packed with high math, history, and strangely pertinent information on keeping your car in shape for rough roads ahead )
I hope you can watch this short clip because I’m suggesting you should pick up the gun.End Quote
I assume you are talking about the Bible. Yes I used to be a Christian myself and I have read the entirity of the Bible a few times while i was a Christian and while I am not. You might find this interesting from Cosmic Awareness:
there are approximately seven symbolic levels to many of the stories in the Bible and that there are definite numerological meanings to the sacred words which appear In the Bible. The entire Hebrew lettering system, both Hebrew and Greek, was at one time tied into numerological meanings and also represented by Tarot cards.
The twenty-two letters of the Tarot were the letters of the Hebrew alphabet. These grew out of the sixteen Egyptian letters which tie directly to the Lemurian letters, which in turn are symbols for philosophical concepts. The Greek alphabet is also closely related to the Lemurian alphabet. All of these letters and numbers were at one time symbols for concepts, and the stories came from them.
For example, the card “Strength” in the Tarot relates the story of Daniel and the Lion’s Den; the “Magician,” the “Empress,” and the “High Priestess” relate the story of Adam and Eve and the Garden of Eden. There are many other levels of symbology which are explored in further depth in the Cosmic Awareness messages.
The Four Beasts of the Apocalypse in Ezekiel with the head of a man, a lion, and an eagle relate to astrological signs. The symbology of the Bible is such that it contains alchemical symbols, astrological symbols, historical symbols, moral symbols and rules, and also spiritual and cosmic symbols. In particular, it contains psychic symbols or symbols of consciousness.
The messages being given through the Interpreter by Cosmic Awareness attempt to open up some of the symbolism for greater exploration and deeper understanding. The mysteries involved in the symbols have caused great confusion and tragedy on this earth because they have been taken too literally. Look at Greek mythology and visualize a culture or civilization which would take such myths as literal, actually visualizing Mars, Apollo or Athena somewhere up in the sky, doing all the things these gods did in Greek mythology.
The personification of planets, forces and aspects of consciousness are simply poetic imaging and poetic symbolism. Yet people take them literally, as a child may take literally the spirit of Santa Claus.
http://home.iae.nl/users/lightnet/creator/symbols.htm
I will save the youtube video for I can’t watch it at this time.I will be able to view it in a month when I get home.
Today, we have the World Council of Churches (WCC), which is an inter-church organization founded in 1948. Its members today include most mainstream Christian churches, but not the Catholic Church, which sends accredited observers to meetings. It arose out of the ecumenical movement and has, as its basis, the following statement:
“The World Council of Churches is a fellowship of churches which confess the Lord Jesus Christ as God and Savior according to the scriptures, and therefore seek to fulfill together their common calling to the glory of the one God, Father, Son and Holy Spirit.”
The WCC describes itself as “a worldwide fellowship of 349 global, regional and sub-regional, national and local churches seeking unity, a common witness and Christian service.” It is based at the Ecumenical Centre in Geneva, Switzerland. The organization members include denominations, which claim to collectively represent some 590 million people, across the world in ca. 150 countries, including 520,000 local congregations served by 493,000 pastors and priests, in addition to elders, teachers, members of parish councils and many others. Take careful note of the word ” ECUMENICAL”; which is a goal of the NWO to ‘unite’ all churches under one Church; of course currently presented as a good thing for all which strictly goes against everything Christ teaches. But whenever you see the word: ECUMENICAL… have NOTHING to do with it. That’s exactly the plan of the NWO and they disguise it so well, but then always remember, ‘Satan comes an angel of light’ always appearing to do ‘good’.
Ezekiel 33:6-7: “But if the watchman see the sword come, and blow not the trumpet, and the people be not warned; if the sword come, and take any person from among them, he is taken away in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at the watchman’s hand. So thou, O son of man, I have set thee a watchman unto the house of Israel; therefore thou shalt hear the word at my mouth, and warn them from me.”
So all those churches have chosen to remain in the Babylonian system and because of that, the True Meat of God’s Word is NOT being preached, taught, and revealed by these pastors. How are these preachers going to hear the Lords instruction for what to do in this late hour if they don’t realize the lateness of the hour? Whether they have succumbed to the temptations of Satan or have been duped, these preachers have been told to ignore any gloomy, end-times prophecy because such teaching is generally not allowed in academia or supported by those who provide funding for the ministry. I suggest that you constantly seek God in your prayers to reveal to you the true character of those feeding you the Word of God. All those trapped in Babylon, will simply grow sleepier and sleepier and unless they begin to heed the cry of God’s watchmen in this hour to come out of her, or expose it, they will simply be pulled right into the delusion being created for its proper time; and they will accept it blindly.
I can agree that Churches are not going to lead you to the truth. It a good money making scheme.
“I can agree that Churches are not going to lead you to the truth.”
The “Church” is an unfortunate carry over from the Mystery Schools. Another mockery.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circe
Guys,
I Love logic and Truth. How can anyone believe the 4000 + – flavors of so called Christianity are the Body of Jesus Christ? Is Christ divided? Can the Body of Christ be divided into 4000 individual pieces and still be The Body of Christ – The Church of God? Is this logical and is this Truth? Christ call the Church the little flock, is 1 1/2 billion little?
The true meat of the Word of God can not be taught by the 4000 — the 4000 has only error.
I told 007 before, do not look to so called christianity for truth and light.
I listed the 7 Holy Days of God at the end of this article, the very same Holy Feast Days that Jesus Christ and the Apostles kept, which of the 4000 keeps these Feasts of God?
No they keep Xmas and Easter and Sunday all pagan.
Are either of you familiar with God Feast? They reveal the Plan of God.
Yesterday the pope came out and bluntly stated the church has a goal of bring ALL 4000 back to the mother church. This is going to happen and soon. They are removing all the barriers, queers can come in, Muslims, evangelicals, all the different flavors are more then welcome — it is a lie. Once they are under Romes wing, the god of this world will give the pope power and Sunday will be the only day of worship and will be enforced as will all the doctrine held by the pope.
You can debate until it is set in place — then you will be silent and obey. Just keep this in your mind and watch.
Omega,
Christ came to reveal the Father, to teach us how to worship The Father and Him only.
Jesus Christ is our High Priest and we are to follow Him as He follows the Father.
“Christ came to reveal the Father, to teach us how to worship The Father and Him only.
Jesus Christ is our High Priest and we are to follow Him as He follows the Father.”
Amen. I couldn’t agree more. Was there something that I said that contradicted this?
omega,
I skimmed a few of your comments above, I was moving fast so I may have misunderstood but I thought you were saying in effect we are to worship Christ.
If I misunderstood I am sorry.
Did you look at the out line of God’s Holy Days in the article above? Have you ever studied the Feasts as being God’s Plan of Salvation?
I think I see what you were talking about from the last paragraph in my first post. Here, I quickly skimmed over this subject without thorough explanation. No need to apologize. It’s important that people understand this. I spent too much time trying to show the faults in 007′s logic and not enough time glorifying Him.
“Did you look at the out line of God’s Holy Days in the article above? Have you ever studied the Feasts as being God’s Plan of Salvation?”
I absolutely have and, in fact, it is one of my top priorities in my current studies. I am relatively new to this area of understanding so I’ve still got much to learn. I can’t really say that I have anything to disagree with from what I read here. I plan on going over it again once or twice more so I’ll get back to you if I catch anything.
Great article though. I look for forward to seeing how Mike tries to explain his way out of this one.
Omega files
I have been at this since 1968, I would be glad to assist in anyway possible.
Mike???? He made the statement that he will stand behind 12/25, I am still very human I am sad to say and will confess I wrote this because of him. I hope he will read it, not much chance he will.
Did you read the article on “Born Again”?
Oh! one final thought, have you read any of the works on using John the Baptize father and working from his priestly duty schedule to determine the birth of Christ?
Once you understand God’s Plan, all major events must occur on a Sabbath or one of the 7 Holy Feast Days.
Omega Files
You do know where the word Amen come from don’t you?
Thus Amen became Amen-Ra, and the glory of the old gods of Annu, or Heliopolis, was centred in him who was originally an obscure local god. The worship of Amen in Egypt was furthered by the priests of the great college of Amen,
“This is the sacred god, the lord of all the gods, Amen-Ra, the lord of the throne of the world, the prince of Apt, the sacred soul who came into being in the beginning, the great god who liveth by right and truth, the first ennead which gave birth unto the other two enneads, the being in whom every god existeth, the One of One, the creator of the things which came into being when the earth took form in the beginning.
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/egipto/egypt_bookdead/bodead-08-ra-isis.htm
See also:
Revelation:
14And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;
http://biblehub.com/kjv/revelation/3.htm
2 Thessalonians 3
18The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.
http://biblehub.com/kj2000/2_thessalonians/3.htm
007:
I do believe you are right about the ‘amen’. I have a few bad habbits – no body is perfect.
Truthseeker.
Oh! one final thought, have you read any of the works on using John the Baptize father and working from his priestly duty schedule to determine the birth of Christ?
I have not done so but I will be sure to look in to it. I have narrowed down the timeframe in which I believe Messiah was born from between 9/11-10/22, 2 or 3 BC.
I have a suggestion for you article. If you could make a chart that shows which days these feasts fall on for the next 10 years or so, that would be very helpful to those who have never heard about them.
Omega file
Here is what I have I have. I will try to find a site that has more then 4 years,
the heading “Passover” means The Lord’s Supper, the Jews P/O is the 15th of April this year.
Remember all of God’s day begin at sundown so the First day of Unleavened Bread actually begins at sundown on our 14th. All Feasts begin on our day before at sundown.
Passover* UL Bread Pentecost
2014 Apr 14 Apr 15 – 21 Jun 8
2015 Apr 3 Apr 4 – 10 May 24
2016 Apr 22 Apr 23 – 29 Jun 12
2017 Apr 10 Apr 11 – 17 Jun 4
*Observed the evening before at sundown
Feast of
Trumpets Atonement Tabernacles Last Great Day
2014 Sep 25 Oct 4 Oct 9 – 15 Oct 16
2015 Sep 14 Sep 23 Sep 28 – Oct 4 Oct 5
2016 Oct 3 Oct 12 Oct 17 – 23 Oct 24
2017 Sep 21 Sep 30 Oct 5 – 11 Oct 12
The dates that I believe are the closest are:
His birth is 9/29/ 4 BC, this was the first day of the Feast of Tabernacles in that year
and His death is 4/28/28 AD, on only 28 AD and 31 AD does the preparation( Nisan 14th) day fall on a Wednesday. It is one or the other.
I realize the two dates are short by about 2 years (33 1/2 yrs) but the calendar has a few tricks that I have not studied in depth as yet. there are 19 year time cycles and every so often a 13 month is added.
Omega Files :
I do believe you are right about the ‘amen’. I have a few bad habbits – no body is perfect.
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Wow it is a miracle you said I was right about something!!Well I appreciate it and thankyou!!
I’m glad we can have more civil conversations on these matters. Discussing religion and politics can bring the worst out in people.LOL!
I will complement you on that you are trying to understand truth yourself which is a lot better then most people will do.
In reality we all really don’t know what is the exact truth we all just have our own theories and beliefs. I do think thought that atleast we try to search for truth as much of the population won’t even try and they will just stay on the same old beliefs without looking deeper down the rabbit hole.You can’t catch the rabbit if you don’t go down the hole deep enough.
“In reality we all really don’t know what is the exact truth we all just have our own theories and beliefs. I do think thought that atleast we try to search for truth as much of the population won’t even try and they will just stay on the same old beliefs without looking deeper down the rabbit hole.You can’t catch the rabbit if you don’t go down the hole deep enough”
You know, I’ve grown to respect you. Many are quick to run from an argument, but you stick around. You are passionate about what you believe in, as am I. We are in agreement about many things. Our fundamental difference is simply related to your claim that the Most High is an impostor. I’m sure that you realize that I cannot allow for this accusation to go unchallenged.
Omega Files
Thanks Omega. I have also grown to respect you also. I think we can agree that they’re is an Illuminati and they’re are ones controlling the world not to benefit mankind.
Brothers don’t always have to agree with each other…
but making the effort to see “eye to eye” is always worth the price of admission.
That was no miracle TS007: that there was the humility that comes from acknowledging our failings. Brother Omega Files gains respect with his atonement.
There are many, their name is legion, who would just love to find a chink in our armour and not just in the ‘religious’ debates either. Yet when we do err our indiscretions are swatted away through acknowledging them and moving on. Get on the right team and power up.
I noted, TS007, you calling Omega Files out with regards to your religion and that, Sir, was legalistic wrangling. It is very clear that Omega Files thinks your dogma/doctrine is Saturnalistic and by association you must be a Satanist. You may not like the terminology so call it whatever helps you sleep at night, TS007. If it looks like dung and smells like dung there’s no need to taste it.
Believing, heart and mind, that guidance is yours for the asking makes for a fearless confidence when arguing for truth. It’s a distinct advantage to know everything or at least to know how to ask the right questions.
Mayham:
Sorry to put down your insults but I am not a Satanist. Maybe you assume people that have knowledge and look for knowledge are all Satanist but that isn’t true. Since you think I am a Satanist should I think of you as a Fundamental Christian? They like to label everything and everybody as Satanist on things they don’t understand are care not to understand.
Satanism is the alter ego of Christianity in fact satanism is a religion and i don’t practice any religion for I am a free thinker and I go where the evidence takes me. So you could insult me all you want but I know who I am .I am that I am.
Also I don’t even believe in Satan so how could I worship that force that was created by relgion. Satan is just a myth. Maybe you should think before you speak.
Also Mayham I am under the impression that you follow the Bible god well through reading the Bible you see that your Bible god actually works with Satan.
“AND Satan stood up against Israel, and provoked David to number Israel.” (I Chronicles 21:1)
Job1
“AND again the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel, and he moved David against them to say, Go, number Israel and Judah.” (II Samuel 24:1)
7And the LORD said unto Satan, From where come you? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro on the earth, and from walking up and down on it.
8And the LORD said unto Satan, Have you considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a blameless and an upright man, one that fears God, and turns away from evil?
9Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, Does Job fear God for nothing?
10Have not you made a hedge about him, and about his house, and about all that he has on every side? you have blessed the work of his hands, and his possessions are increased in the land.
11But put forth your hand now, and touch all that he has, and he will curse you to your face.
12And the LORD said unto Satan, Behold, all that he has is in your power; only upon himself put not forth your hand. So Satan went forth from the presence of the LORD.
http://biblehub.com/kj2000/job/1.htm
Those are just 2 examples.
this is a good article, thanks. lots of work and thought and scripture verses here. i try to keep the feast days as written in the old testament. i truly hope someday i will not be alone on these beautiful Holy Days. i gave up the pagan holidays. i try to keep all His Laws and no, i am not a jew. i do disagree that people will be forced to do anything at the time of judgement. Yahuah gives us free will. He would rather get rid of sinful people in the fiery pit. people have a choice while they are alive to pick His Ways. many do not. i’m sure it makes Him sad to destroy lives. for truthseeker007: i looked up the verse 2 Thess. 3:18 on the strong’s concordance. i looked at the word Amen. it is pronounced A-Main. there is no relation to amen-ra. i try to pursue peace with all people and love them no matter what.
Anonymous,
I did not say people will be forced to keep the Feast, Jesus Christ made that statement in Zechariah 14. Christ will punish those that will not come up to the Feast in Jerusalem. The only way there will be peace for 1000 years is if 100% obey the Law
In Isaiah 30:21 Christ shows during the 1000 years of His reign as King when folks that do have free will think an evil thought or begin to transgress the law here is what will happen:
“And thine ears shall hear a word behind thee Saying ‘This is the WAY walk ye in it’. When ye turn to the right hand and when ye turn to the left.”
The Saints of God now Spirit born, will watch for and prevent sin. those that refuse to obey will be cast into the Lake of Fire during the 1000 years.
There are more keeping God Holy Feast then you realize. I have been since 1969.
dear truthseeker, i really don’t like to sweat the small points. someday Yah will come down and everyone will know the complete truths as to how He wants us to worship. i use the crescent moon to figure Passover. i know the jews these days use the dark moon, but they used to have a watcher to see the crescent. in the beginning of the book of genesis, Yah gave us the moon to figure our feast days. it says seasons but the hebrew is moedim. that would make some of these predictions of the blood moons to no effect. i don’t believe in that prediction anyway. i am kinda new to the feasts and as i said above, i have to figure things out on my own, with His Ruach to guide me. interesting that since i have been keeping His Commands, the Ruach does put thoughts and sometimes alarm bells in my mind. i find that so cool. i get tested and learn His ways by the Spirit. i wish people would try and keep His laws just to prove my point, that His Holy Spirit and Yahushua will come and live inside you and guide you. it works! love and peace to you and to all.
I only wish Christmas was always on a Sunday like Easter so it would be easier for people who have to travel to see their families…
breath of fresh
LOL,
So!! you did not read the article??? What am I to do??
You know if you asked the pope he has the power to change days, the popes have been doing so for almost 2000 years, he may accommodate you? Enjoy it while you still can.
Someones born on that day, everyday, someone dies on that day everyday.
No more significant than ones own, besides, the most holy of days was 888, according to God. at st peters…
I don’t think the 2,000-year-old Holy See needs any advice from Truthseeker about how and when to celebrate Christmas.
anonymous,
you are correct the unholly see needs no advice on how THEIR christ mass is to be observed and when — they created it, this is their day!
Show where Christ or the disciples kept it or even mentioned it.
your Rome chose the first day and abandoned the Sabbath
your Rome dumped Passover and changed to easter the goddess of spring time or something
your Rome cast aside God’s Holy Feasts and created their own days,
God made 3000 Saints on the Day of Pentecost when God the Father gave His Holy Spirit to the disciples. it takes rome 100′s of years to appoint one!
I do not keep christmas or easter or sunday nor anything from Rome.
Hold fast to those traditions you have received either by word (epistle) or mouth (oral tradition) as Scripture says. St. John says that if all that Christ taught was written down the world could not hold that number of books, so to speak. In other worlds Christianity was spread initially by mouth or oral tradition and not scripture, the Christian faith existed long before Scripture and it was not until the 4th century that we have the bible as we have it now and not until the 15th Century and the advent of the printing press that the common person was able to read scripture.
In the Catholic Church Scripture and Tradition hold equal authority. In the New Test are mentioned by the Apostles 22 books of divine authorship that have been lost to all, that are quoted or mentioned by the Apostles. So, Scripture is holds not all of Christian teaching, much was handed down by word of mouth or “tradition”. So to is Christmas, as the early Christians held to the belief that it was on Dec. 25th that Christ was born. God, it seems had purposely chosen certain dates for more than one purpose, many Christian religious events or feasts coincide with Pagan feasts, on purpose, the reason was to “supplant” their pagan beliefs with Christianity, both in reason and in practice, quite understandably.
Let me also add that for Catholics there has been a number of saints and mystics in the history of the Church, of unquestionable reputation and integrity, who have had visions and revelations from God, Our Lady and the Angels. For instance, in the works of the Venerable Mary of Agreda, a 16th Century mystic, a Spanish nun, Our Lady revealed to her that indeed, Christ was born exactly on the night of December 25th.
I must say more on this holy nun. When the early Conquistadors entered what is now New Mexico for the first time, they being the first white men to enter this part of what is now New Mexico, the Franciscan missionaries that were with them went to convert the Indians to Christianity. To their surprise they found the Indians had already been completely schooled and taught the Christian faith by the “Blue Sister” OR “Blue nun”. The Indians described this “woman” dressed in a “Blue Habit”, her name and from were she said she came from, that she told them to wait, as priests were coming to baptize and give them the sacraments. The Franciscans were astonished both at these Indians being completely versed in the Catholic faith and in the description of a nun from “Spain” having taught them. The Bishop was informed of all the circumstances and he set sail for Spain to find this “Blue Lady” from the descriptions of the Indians. They found this Blue nun to be Sister Mary of Agreda, a Sister in a Spanish convent who had never ever left the confines of her cloister, never mind made a trip to the New World or a part of it that had never been discovered as of then. It turns out that this Mary of Agreda had “Bi-located” over 600 times to the presence of the Indians to teach them Christianity. The times she was told by the Indians to be present among them, teaching and instructing, over 600 and years apart, she had always been in her convent. She described to the Bishop, to his surprise, the names of many of the Indians and their families, their tribe, and much more. Many Catholic mystics have had this gift of bi-location, such as St. Padre Pio, who had been seen in several different countries praying in front of an altar in a church, all at the same time, but Mary of Agreda has been said to have had this gift the most, with over 600 visits across an ocean, to a land not even known or visited by any white man or person.
To Mary of Agreda, Our Lord and Our Lady revealed to her the history of Christ from his conception to his death and the life of her and the Apostles until their deaths, in a detail not found anywhere in any Christian literature or revelations. The four volume work is astounding in what it reveals and teaches.
I think you should read some of my posts.
Colossians 2:18: “Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind.”
1 Corinthians 10:20: “that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice they sacrifice to demons and not to God, and I do not want you to have fellowship with demons.”
Luke 4:7-8: “If thou therefore wilt worship me, all shall be thine. And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.”
John 1:12: “But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name.”
2 Corinthians 5:17: “Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation.”
Galatians 6:15: “For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision avails anything, but a new creation.”
I see very little Truth in anything that you just posted. Try reading the Bible for yourself.
jarhead
The Bible I read tells me that Jesus Christ is the only one raised to eternal life, yes some were brought back from the dead, they also later died the normal death of all humans made of flesh and blood.
There are no saints in heaven no mary not even Peter. all are in their graves waiting for the FIRST Resurrection which occurs at the return of Christ. They are the first fruits, Christ is the first of the first fruits.
Satan appears as an angel of light as do some of his. There are demons that appear to many folks, I know some that had the face of Jesus, you know the long haired homosexual looking one, come and say they are “special”. My sister has lips appear on her wall telling her she is special. She is not.
I am not impressed with the occult. I turn and run away.
Fascinating study Truthseeker. Amen, its all about Christ!
I particularly like how you show the direct connection between our Lord Jesus Christ and Father’s Feast days in His plan of salvation. Love the outline at the end. Thank you.
I also like your approach of seeking Christ’s true BirthDay through Zecharias priesthood.
How did you arrive at September 29?. Where did you find the Feasts days day dates in the years BC?
God’s timing is perfect. The Lord Jesus Christ arrived precisely on schedule.
Amazing, there were only two groups in the world who are recorded as taking note of the event, the Magi {Gentile skywatchers from somewhere within the old Persian Empire.} and the Shepherds. {Believers}
Daniel learned the secrets of the heavens, the witness of the stars & was given the secret calendar of world events. What a destiny he lived. A key book.
The Magi are Daniel’s connection horizontally to the star of Bethlehem. They must of became believers as a result of the of his evangelism after he became a slave in Babylon. Daniel witnessed to his teachers and companions. Among these were some of the magi.
He left behind for the magi the truth about the coming Messiah. He gave them a calendar of events that would reveal the time of the Messiah’s coming and death on the cross. This information was passed down through the generations until the birth of Christ when the magi understood through Daniel’s teaching the monumental significance of this event and traveled to Jerusalem, Bethlehem, and Nazareth.
My diggings,
You & I arrived very close on the date. Zecharias was serving in the Temple according to his course when Gabriel told him that his wife would become pregnant and give birth to John the Baptist. I take it, the 24 priests served one week, or course, at a time starting at the beginning of the year. Zecharias was from the course of Abijar (Luke 1:5). Abijar was the 8th course (1 Chronicles 24:10). Didn’t all the priests serve during the Feats? and since the 8th week was after the Passover week, wouldn’t he have served in the 9th week of the year. If it were the 9th week and not the second time around, his week of service would have ended May 31st, 4 BC, after which he went home and Elizabeth got pregnant. John the Baptist was 6 months older than Jesus (Luke 1:26, 36). If Elizabeth and Mary gave birth at full term, then wouldn’t John the Baptist have been born about March 1, BC and Jesus would have been born about September 1, BC. Then, I think the date of birth of September 16, BC is reasonable.
Natsal
As was shown at the beginning of the article, everything in God’s Plan for Salvation revolves around Jesus Christ the 7 Holy Days and the Sabbath. The Plan of God is not a random unconnected series of events. Every single even minute part was planned before creation.
If you will notice, the Holy Days revolve around the planting and harvest season because God is planting and harvesting: why do you think God calls His Saints the First Fruits and Christ the First of the First Fruits? That is a harvest term.
It is unthinkable Christ could be born on some random day like 12/25 which is connected to nothing.
All major events occur on Holy Days, I find it impossible to see how the birth of Christ would not have followed the same pattern as God changes not!
Christ birth must take place 6 month from His death (He lived 33 1/2 years) and it is known for certain Christ died at Passover and then lived for 33 1/2 years. To me that means He had to be born at the Feast of Tabernacles and His circumcision on the 8th day would fall on the Last Great Day, the only other possible Holy Day it the Feast of Trumpets but then His circumcision falls on no Holy Day.
Circumcision is a very important event to God. It is the cutting away of our carnal human nature and replaced with the Holy Righteous Divine Nature of God. Not at all a small thing!!!!
I have never tried to prove it and I am not sure it is possible but I would say when Abraham was given the Covenant of Circumcision He and his men must have been circumcised on the same exact day — The Last Great Day. Our God is precise, nothing is out of place, all things joins together perfectly. God’s Plan is as perfect as the human body, a marvel of engineering.
One more point, when Abraham was told to sacrifice Issac that MUST have occurred on the Passover and on the very spot of the Holy of Holies.
natsal
oops,
IN my last comment I said “Christ’s birth must take place 6 months from His death” Sorry it was late and I had no time to check what I wrote. This should have said His birth must take place on a Holy Day that occurs 6 months before the Passover.
and ” Christ died at Passover and then lived for 33 1/2 years” opps again!!!
it should have said died at Passover after living for 33 1/2 years.
yes I get tired, yes I am human, but I can fix some of my errors caused by rushing.
Christ born at the Feast of Tabernacles in September that year.
That would place Christ’s conception around our Jan 1st of that year.
Right on! Understandable. Thank you for your integrity Truthseeker!
I figured that’s what you ment.
Fit for the King!
We all charge in a rush sometimes.