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Using the King James Version of the Bible will get you no where. The scriptures say to take in “accurate” knowledge of God and the scriptures, and the KJV is certainly not accurate. The first two things Jesus said were the most important are: Love Jehovah God with your whole heart, your whole soul (life) and your whole strength. The second is to love one another as he has loved us. The third is that he died so that we may have the CHANCE for forgiveness, if we ask for it and repent, so that we may not die.
How can you know anything if you use a faulty translation like the King James? It removed God’s personal name, Jehovah, almost 7000 times; it mis-translated hades and sheol (common grave of man) for hell dozens of times. It mis-translates ecclesia for church dozens of times. It means people or congregation. It mis-translates stauros for cross. Stauros means stake or pole. Torture stake, not cross. There are hundreds of other mistranslations in the King James. Almost all translations are falsely done. There are three or four that are pretty accurate when compared to the original scrolls. Jesus taught that we MUST take in accurate knowledge daily to achieve salvation. Using inaccurate translations prevents that completely. Hell, immortal soul, cross, trinity, and going to heaven are all false teachings used by Satan to mislead the entire inhabited Earth, and to keep us FROM God, not bring us to Him.
The Masoretic diacritical marks from the Hebrew word ADONAI, applied to the Hebrew YOD HEY VAVE HEY = the something approximating the pronunciation ‘Jehovah’ or ‘Yahovah’.
This is an easily verifiable fact.
It is also a completely unnatural and illegitimate tactic for arriving at an authentic pronunciation of Ancient Hebrew words.
Therefore, there is ZERO chance that the correct pronunciation of the Almighty’s Name is Jehovah. And like all scriptural certainties (the precious few of which there are in actual fact), this matter is much more than simply a question of strongly-held opinion. According to all of the extant Hebrew manuscripts, it is utterly impossible that His Name is pronounced ‘Jehovah’, or even anything approximating that name.
I doubt any of us know what His Name is. But this much we can know for certain: It’s not Jehovah.
Adonai means God or lord, and is not a pronunciation of His personal name. The jews became superstitious about using God or His name, so they use the Hebrew word for lord. God and lord are titles, not names. The pronunciation of God’s name is most commonly Jehovah, and has been for about 1500 years, so your statement is not accurate. You may know for certain, but you aren’t in a lot of company there. The second most popular usage of the tetragramatton is Yeshua, then Yahweh. No one knows the exact pronunciation, but the most widely accepted, and longest used pronunciation IS Jehovah. If you want to delude yourself with man made religion’s baloney, have at it. The consequences are yours also. Read, or rather study the revelation to John. You will find the consequences there.
ignis fatuus,
we are on the same page, and you may know I love logic. I fully believe our Father created logic and wants us to use it to “prove all things”.
One point of logic and fact: if we must use a certain word from a certain language pronounced in a certain way in our contact with our Father——–where is the command by our Savior to do so?
I have looked in Strong’s under the word Father and I see how many time Jesus Christ use that beautiful and very meaningful term FATHER. So will I.
“Adonai means God or lord, and is not a pronunciation of His personal name.”
That is a statement of fact.
“The jews became superstitious about using God or His name, so they use the Hebrew word for lord.”
This is arguably a factual statement; one I would tend to agree with.
“God and lord are titles, not names.”
This too is a statement of fact.
“The pronunciation of God’s name is most commonly Jehovah, and has been for about 1500 years, so your statement is not accurate.”
This is an erroneous opinion. I said the diacritical marks for the Hebrew word ADONAI are erroneously applied to the Hebrew Tetragrammaton in order to arrive at the pronunciation you advocate for. By this invalid manner, and ONLY by this invalid manner, can the pronunciation Jehovah be arrived at. The diacritical marks from SOME OTHER WORD have no legitimate connection with the Hebrew Tetragrammaton. It is a mistake to believe that there is any legitimate connection between the two – one based entirely on the traditions of men.
“The second most popular usage of the tetragramatton is Yeshua”
This is an outright error. There is no legitimate way to arrive at ‘Yeshua’ as a viable pronunciation of the Tetragrammaton. None.
“…then Yahweh.”
I would say ‘first’ Yahweh, and then perhaps others. According to our modern (very flawed – some might say intentionally so) understanding of Ancient Hebrew, ‘Yahweh’ is the best-guess pronunciation for the Tetragrammaton. There are no additional diacritical marks needed to arrive at this pronunciation. In the case of ‘Yahweh’, marks from some OTHER word are not imported and artificially superimposed in an effort to arrive at some unnatural end product.
“No one knows the exact pronunciation…”
This is almost certainly a statement of fact. I would agree that no human alive today knows the exact, correct pronunciation.
“…but the most widely accepted, and longest used pronunciation IS Jehovah.”
I care nothing for widely accepted in the face of the demonstrably wrong. ‘Jehovah’ as a pronunciation for the Tetragrammaton is demonstrably wrong.
“If you want to delude yourself with man made religion’s baloney, have at it. The consequences are yours also.”
I never get tired of the irony of that charge of yours. Coming from a Jehovah’s Witness, that is priceless. Why don’t you knock off the nonsense and stick to the matter under discussion. No matter how many times you level baseless charges against me, your false witness becomes no less false.
Truthseeker:
I will share with you the EXACT English language pronunciations for the Names of the Most High and of His Son…
Are you ready?
In English, the Name of the Most High is…
FATHER.
In English, the Name of the Son is…
MASTER. (or MESSIAH)
There. Now we can all have something to agree on.
(How you like THEM logics, Truthseeker?)
ignis fatuus
Yes I agree our Savior is our Master, I consider myself His bond servant, I also know Him by many names or terms like The Lamb of God, or the WORD, The Son of God, and if I am not mistaken When He returns He will have a new name.
My Father and His Son have no limits. I can not limit Them to one name.
Disregard the “writing” of ignorant fartus, for he IS the very evil and Demonic zionist jew boy “dis-information” “non-christian “christian scripture” expert, named JED, from NJ!
Known as BEEF SUPREME among many hundreds of BIN identities, Jed, from NJ (real name) is a pure, unabashed “cheerleader’ for a very “evil” and “odd” god (complete with a Dick, just like Jed has)!
Yes, Beefy boy (Jed The Fed) the infamous maniac for a very “odd” white-skinned male odd god, complete with a “Dick”!
I would recognize your dribble from the book of babble ANYWHERE!
Greg, the hairy hole blesser is my favorite BIN character of yours in awhile, Jed, the Fed (from NJ)!!!
Or, Nik Flem, or. well, there have been SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO many, Greg, er, Nik, ah, Beefy boy, No, I mean jed, the Fed (from NJ)!
Jed, the non-christian “christian scripture” expert!
What a violent, conflicted mess of sub-humanity you are, jed!
Wishing you nothing but the worst, Lunatic demonic zionist jed, from nj!
WARNING, STAY AWAY FROM JED, FOR HE IS A deranged, violent, LUNATIC, like most of his BIN chris0CREEP “Fans”!
A secret message in Latin awaits you, BIN reader!
Jed est,caput ficedulae!!!!!!!!
mikesavage,
Jesus Christ [I use that name because it has meaning to me] has repeatedly given us the Name or term we must use in prayer or when crying out to Him for help.
FATHER.
That term gives us the exact relationship we have with our God or what ever word you may use to to imply – point to – denote the one you worship. I use English and will never change. I use words that have real meaning to me, those that have been abused, misused and made meaningless I avoid.
There is no secret word! And the one you call Jehovah is actually Jesus Christ. Christ was with Adam in the garden, Christ wrote the 10 Commandments in stone with His finger. Christ came to reveal the FATHER.
and I use Strong’s concordance to gain attentional definitions as every translation is by a man or men and mankind, one and all, have agendas.
Additionally I follow Isaiah 28 and let the Bible explain and reveal doctrine. I also know the catholics have slipped words and dogma into the Bible. I determine doctrine by using as many scriptures as I can find to prove to “me” intent.
My Father knows full well the conditions here on earth and I look to Him to guide me into Truth, knowledge and wisdom. Mankind —- 99.99% I do not trust.
I take it you actually pray to Jesus, and not to God Almighty, in Jesus’ name. That’s wrong.
Why not let Holy Spirit guide you to truth and wisdom, and not religion? The scriptures were authored by God Himself using Holy Spirit to guide the Disciples in writing them. If God doesn’t draw you to Him, He won’t use Holy Spirit to cause you to understand the scriptures. That’s why most people don’t have a clue. Plus, Satan obfuscates the scriptures to most people keeping them from accurate knowledge. The King James Version is one of Satan’s greatest and most effective tools in doing so.
The Bible itself will NOT explain itself to you or to anyone else. It takes Holy Spirit to cause you to understand, and it takes an honest heart for God to see, in order for Him to use Holy Spirit with you. These things are all explained in the Bible, and they do work as advertised. Not having an honest heart, means never understanding the Bible at all. It means believing religions (that are all man made) in explaining them. That will get you nowhere except the second death.
mikesavage,
I am not at all sure how you determined I pray to Jesus?
Jesus is my Savior, elder brother and my high Priest, I follow Jesus Christ as He follows our Father and I worship the FATHER. I copy the example Christ sets for us as Christ follows the example set for Him by our Father.
Mike do you believe the Spirit of the Father is a third person? I just did a paper explaining that is a lie of Satan that the catholics push on their followers and many of their daughters believe as well.
The Holy Spirit of the Father comes to those the Father Calls. When called by our Father and after repenting of transgressing the Commandments of God, after being baptized into the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ hands are laid upon that repentant person and by the laying of of hands the Spirit of God the Father is given. That is one of the 7 foundational doctrines of Jesus Christ and is in the paper above.
God the Father’s Holy Spirit is the Holy ‘Seed’ of God that imparts to His sons the very Divine Righteous Holy Nature of God. The Holy Spirit is the down payment on eternal life as eternal life is given to us through the Holy Spirit at the First Resurrection.
God the Father is SPIRIT and as Ephesians 4: 4 explains there is only ONE SPIRIT, and that Spirit is in the Father and is the very Spirit by which Jesus Christ was raised from the Dead to immortal life and is the very same ONE Spirit the will raise us from the dead into immortal Spirit life in the Family of God.
Mike if I am wrong I will stand corrected but I believe you are a JW, they come to my door from time to time and after I ask questions and point out scriptures they have never heard of they say thank you and leave.
In light of these scriptures, we are ALL supposed to witness for God Almighty. Is Mike Savage a wJehovah’s Witness, not to my knowledge.
Isaiah 43:10
World English Bible (WEB)
10 “You are my witnesses,” says Yahweh,
“With my servant whom I have chosen;
that you may know and believe me,
and understand that I am he.
Before me there was no God formed,
neither will there be after me.
Matthew 24:14
World English Bible (WEB)
14 This Good News of the Kingdom will be preached in the whole world for a testimony to all the nations, and then the end will come.
2 Timothy 4:2
World English Bible (WEB)
2 preach the word; be urgent in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, and exhort, with all patience and teaching.
Mikesavage
one of the many gifts God the Father gives to those He calls is the gift of teaching. This gift is to benefit His Ecclesia and the work of preaching the Good News.
I do not claim to have this gift but I write, it has taken me a few years to learn how to even begin.
I write to “prove all things” using the Word of God and logic. There are three papers on BIN today.
IS WORLD WAR THREE IMMINENT ?
GOD’S HOLY FEAST FULFILLED BY JESUS CHRIST
and this one on the 7 doctrines of Jesus Christ
It is only the very very few that will bother to read. This is not the only day of salvation their opportunity for salvation will come at a different age.
The doctrine of Jesus Christ should be eternal words from his very lips not the interpretation of a generational Pharisee.
“If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don’t have to worry about answers.” — Thomas Pynchon
So Christians argue over what Paul REALLY said/meant instead of questioning whether Jesus’ many, many warnings concerning Pharisees should REALLY be heeded.
Paul testifies “I am a Pharisee, the son of a Pharisee” Act 23:6
“Then understood they how that he [Jesus] bade them not beware of the leaven of bread, but of the DOCTRINE OF THE PHARISEES and of the Sadducees.” Matthew 16:12
Stop being scammed!!
sharonjorgen
define for me what a “Christian” is? How can I know if one is or isn’t a Christian, is there a check list?
I have said on BIN for a few years now there are 4000 flavors of so called christianity,
Sharon Please let me know just how I am suppose to determine —- if they is or if they isn’t —
How can I know if you are a christian? your doctrine it 180 degrees from what I hold to be TRUTH, can we both be disciples of Jesus Christ and be so divided?
Sharon, there were no female Apostles. I do not look to women for truth so your thoughts on Paul,,, do not mean anything to me. I find Paul to be in complete agreement with Christ and all of the Apostles.
TS, You are most certainly in agreement with your beloved Paul. Jesus Christ however encouraged his message and identity to be shared by a WOMAN.
Apparently you would have been pleased to keep the truth from a whole village b/c the messenger was a woman:
“The woman then LEFT her waterpot, and went her way into the city, and saith to the men, Come, see a man, which told me all things that ever I did: IS NOT THIS THE CHRIST?” John 4:28-29
“And many of the Samaritans of that city believed on him for the saying OF THE WOMAN, which testified, He told me all that ever I did.” John 4:39
sharonjorgen
Women are not to teach, they are not to be in authority over men.
Can a women say as this one did, look over here, here is a man that has the truth? Sure.
When Christ created Adam, Adam had both the masculine and the feminine characteristic just as Christ and our Father does. He gave the masculine to the man and the feminine to the women.
The masculine is logic, the feminine is emotion, logic leads.
In the resurrection there is neither male nor female we are to be Sons of God we will each have both characteristic once born again into the Family of God. The Masculine characteristic will still be
the dominate one thus SONS.
Yes I have found Paul to be a true Apostle of God the Father, you do not like him because he taught what I stated above, women are not to teach. They are to learn from the husbands at home.
I do not “like” Paul for the same reason the Jews of Asia did not…to put it mildly.
27 And when the seven days were almost ended, the Jews which were of Asia, when they saw him [Paul] in the temple, stirred up all the people, and laid hands on him,
28 Crying out, Men of Israel, help: This is the man, that teacheth all men every where AGAINST THE PEOPLE, and THE LAW, and THIS PLACE: and further brought Greeks also into the temple, and HATH POLLUTED THIS HOLY PLACE.
Acts 21
Jesus speaking to Jews in Asia (the ecclesia of Ephesus) –
“I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are EVIL: and thou hast tried them WHICH SAY THEY ARE APOSTLES, AND ARE NOT, and hast found them LIARS:” Revelation 2:2
Now HERE are the questions that should have been answered by Pharisee Saul/Paul’s hapless dupes after he preemptively challenged anyone who even thought of questioning his “calling”:
“Am I not an apostle? am I not free? have I not seen Jesus Christ our Lord? are not ye my work in the Lord?”
1 Corinthians 9:1
NO, you are not a 13th Apostle…only twelve
NO, “Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.” Matthew 5:17
NO, anyone could tell that ‘blinding light’ story [in fact similar gems emerge from UFO encounters and Mary apparitions]…Jesus in the FLESH publicly appeared with his chosen Apostles, the crowds saw them with Messiah.
NO, “Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and IN THY NAME DONE MANY WONDERFUL WORKS? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. Matthew 7:22-23
sharonjorgen
Your last comment has confused me, are you saying you do not like Paul because he taught against the Holy Law of God?
Christ said “they” the Jews taught for doctrine the ‘commandments’ of men. That is one reason the Jews claimed Paul was preaching against the law.
The law Paul taught against was not the 10 Commandments but the Sacrificial Law and the traditions of the Jews.
Even today the Sacrificial law and the Holy Law are bunched together and pitched out.
When Christ came and was sacrificed He fulfilled and completed all of the five kinds of sacrifices and of course He is our Passover Lamb;
Sacrificial Law; In Leviticus.
Burnt sacrifice of the herd,— Chapter 1
Meal offering or Oblation, — Chapter 2
Peace offering, — Chapter 3
Sin offering, — Chapter 4
Trespass offering, —Chapter 5
What Paul taught against was what these Jews lived by, in Galatians 3: 19 Paul was explaining the sacrificial law was ADDED because of transgressions,
how can you transgress a law BEFORE it was Added??
Galatians 3: 19
19 “Wherefore then serveth the law? It was ADDED because of transgressions till the seed should come to who the promise was made and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.” (Moses)
The sacrificial law was added until Christ — as Christ came to fulfill and complete what bulls and goats could never do.
and then in Galatians 3: 10 Paul is taking about the “works” of the law;
Galatians 3: 10
3 ” For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed [is] every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.”
Because the “work” of sacrificing a lamb never forgave a single person or a single sin — those that trust in animal sacrifice are yet “under” the verdict of death.
Explain how I “work” at obeying my Father’s LAW, There is no labor involved, the 10 Commandments are, all but one, things you are NOT to LABOR at. And the ONE that tells you what you must do is the one telling you to REST.
Sharon I hope this is the reason you despise Paul, because of this common misunderstanding.
I did a study on “The Works of the Law”, when a person can get passed the block Satan has erected, it becomes very clear. Paul was railing against looking to animal sacrifice and not accepting the sacrifice of Jesus Christ.
I would be happy to post the paper on the works, let me know.
Truthseeker
“Christ said “they” the Jews taught for doctrine the ‘commandments’ of men. That is one reason the Jews claimed Paul was preaching against the law.”
Judaism didn’t exist until after 70 CE. Until after Jesus was crucified and after the Israelites were wiped off the face of Earth by Rome in 70 CE. Their Rabbinic (word of mouth) laws are the invention of the political group of wealthy influential bankers and traders called the Pharisees. The OT as well as the NT are complete bunkum.
PIX
When reading books they are read from left to right, I hope this will help you!
Sharon;
Those 4000 (actually 3000) or so flavors of Christianity are false Christianity, called Christendom. They are sects of Christianity, the original one true faith. Galations 5:19-21 says that involvement in ANY of those sects/divisions means enmity with God. All of Christendom is NOT for God but Against Him. That’s why they broke away from the original and teach their own beliefs and doctrine. They don’t teach what Jesus began when he started the Christian Congregation in 33 C.E. just before he died. A true Christian follows the entirety of the Bible and worships ONLY God Almighty and follows all of His principles. The Mosaic law ended when Jesus died, but all of the principles that we are to continue to follow (if we want God’s favor) are again mentioned in the New Testament. Don’t eat blood, love God, love eachother, warn everyone about what’s coming, preach the word with all urgency, take in ACCURATE knowledge of God and His Word daily, and so on. You can tell a Christian by the method that Jesus gave us to identify Christians: By the love they have for eachother.
TS, you wrote “Christ said “they” the Jews taught for doctrine the ‘commandments’ of men. That is one reason the Jews claimed Paul was preaching against the law.”
How incredibly dishonest of you to accuse ‘the Jews’ when you know full well this was a particular group — notably including Pharisees — that sought to accuse Jesus repeatedly:
1Then came to Jesus scribes and PHARISEES, which were of Jerusalem, saying, 2Why do thy disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? for they wash not their hands when they eat bread. 3But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition? 4For God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death. 5But ye say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; 6And honour not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition. Matthew 15
sharonjorgen
Sharon, teaching for doctrine the commandments of men is —a principle!
it is going on to day, this very day!
Most of those Christ contended with were either Sadducees or Pharisees and when Christ spoke of the Jews He was normally referred to these two parties. So how am I being dishonest?
Sharon, every time I get in a situation like this with a women I understand clearly why Paul would not let women speak in services. Talking with you is very much like talking with my wife. I say up and she says why are we going left?
Please do not read what I write any more it will just be a frustration for us both.
Truthseeker PIX “When reading books they are read from left to right, I hope this will help you!”
Wow thanks for that, I’ll be sure to let all the Jew’s know they’ve been reading and writing their own language back to front.
mikesavage “They don’t teach what Jesus began when he started the Christian Congregation in 33 C.E. just before he died.”
Jesus preached to practice all the old Israelites laws, he also preached to meet in fellowship anywhere, pull up a log or a rock. He was anti organised religion, so all of them are fake.
“A true Christian follows the entirety of the Bible and worships ONLY God Almighty and follows all of His principles.”
Really, when was the last time you stoned someone to death for wearing mixed fabrics?
Because Paul said he was a Pharisee, does not mean that he taught the doctrines of the Pharisees. He taught what Jesus taught. He was a very good minister of the Good news of the Kingdom. Do you think that when Matthew stopped being a crooked tax collector to follow Jesus, that he continued to teach others to be crooked tax collectors? Did Peter continue to teach others to fish for fish, and not men, because he was a fisherman? Jesus helped many terrible sinners who abandoned their former personalities and became born again with a new personality in favor with Jesus’ father, God Almighty. Your argument is pretty strange.
MS, you wrote “He [Paul] taught what Jesus taught.” REALLY?!! When did Paul ever speak against his own kind — Pharisees!
Much of what Jesus taught were WARNINGS like these:
13But woe unto you, scribes and PHARISEES, HYPOCRITES! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for YE NEITHER GO IN YOURSELVES, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in. 14Woe unto you, scribes and PHARISEES, HYPOCRITES! for ye devour widows’ houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation.
15Woe unto you, scribes and PHARISEES, HYPOCRITES! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the CHILD OF HELL than yourselves.
Matthew 23
You are using other peoples interpretations of Jesus’s doctrine. From his own words he gives 8 essential criteria for eternal life:
1. Luke 10:25-28 Love everyone
2. Luke 18:18-22 Sell everything
3. Luke 14:26-33 Hate everyone/thing, sell everything
4. John 6:53-54 Eat flesh, Drink blood
5. Matthew 18:2-3 Be a little child
6. John 3:3-8 Be a born again infant
7. Matthew 5:17-20 Practice all 613 OT laws
8. John 3:16 Believe in Jesus.
So it’s clear, to be a Christian you have to be anal about practicing all 613 Jewish laws, even though Judaism didn’t exist until after 70 CE. Be a propertyless, blood sucking, flesh eating, schizophrenic infant child, who believes a plagiarised pagan Greek character called Dionysus was actual and not an allegory.
PIX
I am very tired of your 8 lies, Pix, you know full well they are nothing but pig excrement.
You read the lies of other and then you repeat and repeat, do have any original thoughts of your own ?
They are from the bible, are you calling the bible a lie now?… oh the irony.
Schizophrenic =
Luke 10:25-28
The Parable of the Good Samaritan
25 And behold, a lawyer stood up to put him to the test, saying, “Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?” 26 He said to him, “What is written in the Law? How do you read it?” 27 And he answered, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind, and your neighbor as yourself.” 28 And he said to him, “You have answered correctly; do this, and you will live.”
And:
Luke 14:26-33
26 “If anyone comes to me and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be my disciple. 27 Whoever does not bear his own cross and come after me cannot be my disciple. 28 For which of you, desiring to build a tower, does not first sit down and count the cost, whether he has enough to complete it? 29 Otherwise, when he has laid a foundation and is not able to finish, all who see it begin to mock him, 30 saying, ‘This man began to build and was not able to finish.’ 31 Or what king, going out to encounter another king in war, will not sit down first and deliberate whether he is able with ten thousand to meet him who comes against him with twenty thousand? 32 And if not, while the other is yet a great way off, he sends a delegation and asks for terms of peace. 33 So therefore, any one of you who does not renounce all that he has cannot be my disciple.
It’s not my problem the bible contradicts itself, it’s your problem seeing as you claim it’s the infallible word of an all knowing IT.
PIX
I will bite one more time:
You are physical and Jesus Christ is teaching spiritual truth, thus you have not one clue!! NONE
Those that will follow Christ in living that WAY will surrender their WILL to the WILL of God the Father exactly as did Christ during His 33 1/2 years on earth. And even now you don’t understand.
We are to renounce all our worldly desires and seek eternal life. Yes we continue to live in this world with folks just like you, and yes we need money for food etc. but we seek first and foremost the things of God, and not like you, we hold the things mankind hold as valuable as nothing but worthless trash.
One little hint; doctrine is built from all scriptures through out the Bible not just one scripture as you are want to do.
your 8 things are ludicrous and actually moronic.
PIX
I have asked you before, does the English government pay you to put your ????? comments on BIN?
You sure spend hours on this site, I can I am retired, but you claim to work?
Truthseeker;
You have a pretty good handle on the scriptures and God’s requirements for us. If I may ask, how did you come about this knowledge when so very very few have it?
mikesavage,
believe or not I like you, you are sincere which can not be said for many here on BIN.
Mike, I am nothing, just a man. I was called in 1967, I learned some basic principles and then I got entangled in the world and sat on what I had learned until about 3 or 4 years ago.
I do not know why but my understand grows every day, the Word of God is beyond what a man can measure it is a priceless treasure, I love it. It is TRUTH.
I know this! one can not do IT their way. What the Bible teaches must be followed.
I say over and over that there are 4000 flavors of so called Christianity. By selecting certain scriptures I can created 100 more. We are to live by every single WORD of God, not selected scriptures.
If you are willing, please read the paper here in BIN listed in the alternative section by the title of IS WORLD WAR THREE IMMANENT? This paper will introduce you to the basic Truth I learned decades ago and in the last 2 to 3 year have had almost all the gaps filled in.
God’s Perfect Plan of Salvation is beyond human words to describe — but I tried. This is 30 pages long it starts slow for the first half, but you will need the first half to understand the last half.
I think I told you in another comment, the Holy Spirit of God the Father only comes through the laying of of hands, most here on BIN either never read it or do not bother, but it is the real reason I understand.
Let me know if you read the paper.
Truthseeker PIX “You are physical and Jesus Christ is teaching spiritual truth, thus you have not one clue!! NONE” Nonsense.
Jesus is otherwise called Horus, Mithras, Dagon, Krishna, Dionysus and is an allegorical story about the sun. Here is Dionysus dying on the cross, this particular example is hundreds of years older than the Christian story time line.
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-OQYE5OseDdk/Tht76MFbX4I/AAAAAAAAAXg/gBT-wxz39io/s1600/Crucified%2Bdionysus.png
PIX
I have grown tired of your foolish rants, I now picture you as one of those fellows in their underwear sitting in their mothers basement busily punching the key board. I could believe your Icelandic “wife” is a picture on your wall.
So if you will —-please go pour out your drivel else where.
@Pix
Matthew 10:5
These twelve Jesus sent out with the following instructions: “Do not go among the Gentiles or enter any town of the Samaritans.
And you keep being told – Christians are not bound by the Bible just as Jews follow the Talmud not the five books of Moses (unlike Samaritans).
No one is “bound” by the Bible, they follow it out of choice. The Jews were bound by the Mosaic law up until Jesus died though. The principles still do apply to remain in God’s favor, like the ten commandments for example. We aren’t bound by them, but we choose to follow them so that we may have a good relationship with God Almighty.
Mirabolin
No one is bound by anything other than their own stupidity.
You can keep telling me your fairy story is true till you go blue in the face, it doesn’t make your story true. I keep telling you the truth, as well as provide shed loads of evidence proving you wrong. It makes no difference to people determined to remain ignorant of historical artifacts and evidence that prove your belief is based on plagiarised pagan allegory.
It makes no difference to anyone or thing what anyone believes. What does make a difference is the ability to walk your high and mighty talk, of which Christians fail to do. In fact they do the complete opposite.
@Pix
And you keep being told – Christians are not ‘bound’ by the Bible just as Jews follow the Talmud not the five books of Moses (unlike Samaritans). What has this to do with not being true.
And you keep being told that Christian religion is ‘pagan’ in the sense of that being a rural (Galilean) tradition. And that ‘pagans’ are in large part from the middle east. All of which would be expected if the story of Noah and a great flood had some point – that not all of his God following heirs were Abrahamic or Mosaic. Just the opposite.
And you keep being told it was indeed into these traditions that Christianity was received. So what? Einstein was received into the legacy of Newtonian physics. The Greek conception of God as not the ‘other’ with no form, or a cat’s head, or four arms etc was certainly a ‘pagan’ indo-European idea of the unknown only being known through the known.
Your delusional belief in the ‘other’ seems more irrational and stupid.
Mirabolin
“Your delusional belief in the ‘other’ seems more irrational and stupid.”
What “other” are you talking about? I go on actual evidence, the evidence exists, what’s not to believe about it?
Pix;
You seem to be crazy. Eat blood? Hate everyone? Drinking while trying to understand God’s word isn’t working for you. Try doing it sober.
mikesavage
“You seem to be crazy”. No, that would be the bible you are talking about.
Try actually reading the bible every now and then.
King James Bible John 6:53-54
Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.
Luke 14:26-33
26 “If anyone comes to me and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be my disciple.
Seems to me all you can do is accuse without substantiating. How can anyone come to any other conclusion, prove to me where my interpretation of the quoted scripture is wrong. Good luck.
“So it’s clear, to be a Christian you have to be anal about practicing all 613 Jewish laws, even though Judaism didn’t exist until after 70 CE. Be a propertyless, blood sucking, flesh eating, schizophrenic infant child, who believes a plagiarised pagan Greek character called Dionysus was actual and not an allegory.”
@Pix
“Luke 14:26-33
26 “If anyone comes to me and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be my disciple.”
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The Greek conception of God as not the ‘other’ with no form, or a cat’s head, or four arms etc was certainly a ‘pagan’ indo-European idea of the unknown only being known through the known.
Your delusional belief in these ‘others’ seems more irrational and stupid.
Mike, the “chris0CREEP SAVAGE” (fitting name for a Defender of the Fable DEATH CULT!
Gee mikey, how did YOU “ranting and raving” about “your” white-skinned human male odd “god” (complete with a Dick), and “how great it is”, turn into “you hate everyone, Pix, “try doing it sober”, and all your other “usual” chris0CREEP derision (applied anytime by you brain-washed-from-birth FREAKS runs across someone who is NOT going to “go along” with “your” KILLER-CULT “religion), Mike, the chris0CREEP SAVAGE!
WARNING: INSANE chris0CREEPS ahead!
Please stay inside your cars, and, by god, DO NOT FEED THE sub-humans, like Mike, the “chris0CREEP SAVAGE”!
Mike, the “chris0CREEP SAVAGE”, These “do-nothing christian” types ARE the reason that the usa ends now!
They do NOTHING but wait…………. And wait………………… and wait……………………….and wait…………………… and wait……… to be
“Saved’ by a fellow white-skinned male human “god’!
They, indeed, are ALL Lunatics, Mike, the “chris0CREEP SAVAGE”!
Simply, Ko KOO! Insane co coo clocks, all!
No hope for them…at all!
They will blame their “inaction” on “god’, of course!
Mike, the “chris0CREEP SAVAGE”, You have a disease, an affliction that has NO CURE.
YOU (christo-LOONS) are the “willing” Cannon Fodder for every war “your” EVIL country has waged!
You must be quarantined for all our protection, for we are sane, and you are insane!
You are violent, so re-education will be performed on you while you are in the FEMA Camp.
It is for your own your own good, “believers’!.
AND, FOR OUR PROTECTION…………..from you, the religious INSANE sub-humans of this earth, Mike, the “chris0CREEP SAVAGE”!!!
Mirabolin
“The Greek conception of God as not the ‘other’ with no form, or a cat’s head, or four arms etc was certainly a ‘pagan’ indo-European idea of the unknown only being known through the known.”
WTF are you talking about? The Greeks concept of GODS PLURAL was something that could and did affect their lives. Eg the sun. What’s not to believe about the existence sun and our existence being subject to it.?
@Pix
Maybe you are thinking of Socrates? He was bigger into the sun than the other Greeks. What I was talking about was just the Greek representation of Gods (like Helios) in human form (the gods of horses in horsy form too following the same logic). It is the sun as an existence in human form that the Greeks, for example, would have found something meaningful about.
President Washington
“Mike, the “chris0CREEP SAVAGE”, You have a disease, an affliction that has NO CURE.”
Actually the clever science bods have created a vaccine, but governments haven’t dared to licence it…. yet. I think all it will take is these blood thirsty religious beings kicking off for their final battle and they will. Personally think people should let them get on with it, do the world a favour, stop procrastinating and carry out their final battle, aka their preplanned religious culling program. Good riddance to bad rubbish, the meek inherit the Earth… atheists.
Mirabolin @Pix “Mirabolin “Maybe you are thinking of Socrates?”
I asked what you were talking about eg “others”. who/what are you talking about
@Pix
Others is the supernatural. Gods supernaturality represented through supernatural creatures rather than wholly natural and wholly supernatural.
Mirabolin
Sun worship dates back to at least 6’000 BCE. Nothing to do with Socrates. 470/469 BC – 399 BC
Socrates is most famous for being the father of ethics, not middle eastern religions.
Mirabolin @Pix “Others is the supernatural. Gods supernaturality represented through supernatural creatures rather than wholly natural and wholly supernatural.”
You are confusing totemic description with a lesser mind set supernatural. A totem is a description of the nature of something. Every thing can be reduced to a type of energy. A human with wings for example, is depicting a wise person, not a supernatural being. The eagle is the universal ancient symbol of wisdom, by observing the characteristics and nature of animals as a description. All eagles can fly high, see the bigger picture from all angles in fine detail = wisdom. Totemic language travels time much better than our noun based languages, specifically because animals rarely change their natures and habits while the meaning of nouns can change rapidly. Wings were also used to describe the movement of celestial bodies. In Shamanism a drums is called a horse, as in a vehicle to get their conscious awareness from one state to another. It is a description, not a label.
@Pix
Socrates was also interested in the nature of the gods I think. That’s why he had to commit suicide.
Well anthropomorphism
In ancient Greek culture, the human form was the measure of all things, including beauty and the divine. Gods were depicted as being very, very human. By creating beautiful sculptural representations of the naked human body, the ancient Greeks created not only titillating images — thanks to the statue Cnidus, a colony of Sparta in Asia Minor, enjoyed a roaring tourist trade — but also expressed transcendent spiritual ideas.
This symbiosis between the physical and the divine can also be traced in the ideas of the philosopher Plato. He believed that Eros, a godly combination of passionate love and sensual desire, ultimately led us to contemplate beauty and approach the spiritual perfection underlying the physical universe.
He believed that when we admire physical beauty, we glimpse the light of eternity shining in those features from a heavenly source beyond this world. It is this more advanced stage of appreciation that gave rise to the term Platonic love to distinguish it from more base sexual desire.
Mirabolin @Pix “Socrates was also interested in the nature of the gods I think. That’s why he had to commit suicide.”
He was executed, he didn’t commit suicide. “He was, nevertheless, found guilty of both corrupting the minds of the youth of Athens and of impiety (“not believing in the gods of the state”),[22] and subsequently sentenced to death by drinking a mixture containing poison hemlock.[23][24][25][26]”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socrates
The Greeks also had fun with tragic plays and humorous bawdy satire, so what?
@Pix
“He was executed, he didn’t commit suicide. ”
“and subsequently sentenced to death by drinking a mixture containing poison hemlock.”
Well I think that he was given the option of either getting out of the city’s territory by morning (outlawed), drinking the hemlock or else…
Your desperate literalism COULD be a sign of schizophrenia Pix
@Pix
So what is that the traditions that Christianity came to are hardly news to it. Like I said: schizophrenia, atom from atom, present moment to present moment, hand to mouth….it’s a not very original pattern of behavioural requirements in others that you are after.