IF JESUS ALREADY GAVE THE HOLY SPIRIT IN PERSON, What nonsense is occurring in Acts 2 on Pentecost "cloven tongues like as of fire"?!
Seriously?! Fool me once, shame on you…fool me twice and I’m most certainly a convert to Pharisee doctrine (“Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?” Matthew 23:33)
credit to Garter Snake Tongue (by kenhipp) “…snakes “smell” by “tasting” the air with their tongues, and because those tongues are typically forked, they also have incredible directional smelling.”
GOD IS A CONSUMING FIRE…he doesn’t sit on believers like a laser show…otherwise they’d be dead!
Here’s the truth about the Holy Spirit [or do you prefer an exciting LIE]:
“And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is HE which BAPTIZETH WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT.” John 1:33
“(But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Spirit was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)” John 7:39
21 Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you.
22 And when he had said this, HE BREATHED ON THEM, and saith unto them, RECEIVE YE THE HOLY SPIRIT:
23 Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.
John 20
FIRE IS FOR DESTRUCTION…IT’S NOT THE HOLY SPIRIT AS DEPICTED IN ACTS 2!!
10 And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the FIRE.
11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance. but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Spirit, AND WITH FIRE:
12 Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable FIRE.
Matthew 3
MORE FIRE AT WORK for purifying God’s people >>>
And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The Lord is my God. {Zechariah 13:9}
“I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire.” Jesus
The LYING Book of Acts has Peter MISQUOTING (and truncating) Joel chapter 2 which clearly records “it shall come to pass afterward”…AFTER WHAT? Read verses 1-27: After the restoration of His people! After the day of the Lord!!
16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;
17 And IT SHALL COME TO PASS IN THE LAST DAYS, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon ALL FLESH: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
Acts 2
THE TRUTH is [in the last days] “The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, BEFORE the great and terrible day of the Lord come.” Joel 2:31
11 And he said, Go forth, and stand upon the mount before the Lord. And, behold, the Lord passed by, and a great and strong wind rent the mountains, and brake in pieces the rocks before the Lord; but the Lord was not in the wind: and after the wind an earthquake; but the Lord was not in the earthquake:
12 And after the earthquake a fire; but THE LORD WAS NOT IN THE FIRE: and after the fire a still small voice.
1 Kings 19
When you love the truth He is a still, small voice.
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If you read Acts 2, the ‘tongues’ were simply LANGUAGES ! The disciples spoke in languages to visiting peoples from other countries, nations, etc! CONTRARY to the charismatic deception, the languages were to give the GOSPEL ! And if you read Acts 2 correctly, it LISTS the various languages ! They were NOT estatic utterances of jibber jabber and ridiculous babbling.
The disciples spoke in languages for: “The Parthians, Medes, Elamites, Mesopotamians, Asians, Egyptians, Libyans, Jews, Romans, Cretes, Arabians, and dwellers of Phrygia and Pamphylia.” And if you read verse 11, the people say, “we do hear them speak in our LANGUAGE.”
Stay away from the charismatic signs/wonders/tongues deception that has taken people away from sound Biblical doctrine and common sense! Prophecy in the Bible is for the declaration of the coming of the Messiah and to tell of man’s salvation through Christ! John 3:16
Just a COINCIDENCE that God chose fiery cloven tongues on one of his seven holiest days!??? This beggars belief…JC writes “the ‘tongues’ were simply LANGUAGES !”
I AM NOT DENYING THAT THIS EVENT OCCURRED, ONLY THE LYING INTERPRETATION.
If Satan was cursed with a forked tongue, it makes perfect sense to improve public relations [damage control] by making divided tongues in vogue, given the opportunity: “Come get your powerful snake tongue that amazes foreigners by speaking their language”.
This scam is 2000 years old — “the charismatic signs/wonders/tongues deception that has taken people away from sound Biblical doctrine and common sense” (per JC) — the anti-Christ Spirit that Apostle John said HAD ALREADY COME in his day
The Holy Spirit is given by the laying on of hands. When the 120 disciples gathered to keep the Feast of Pentecost none of them were converted, none had been given God the Father’s Spirit.
When Christ was baptized by John the Baptist the Hands of HIS FATHER came upon Christ giving Him the Holy Spirit.
And in Acts 2 the Apostles and disciples assembled as they were Commanded to do to observe the Feast of Pentecost and on that very day that was prophesied by Joel in chapter 2 God the Father poured out HIS SPIRIT from heaven upon the 120. The tongues of fire were the fingers of God the Father that were laid upon the 120. Our GOD is a consuming “FIRE”!
AND THEY WERE FILLED WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT OF THE FATHER AND PREACHED THE GOOD NEWS OF THE COMING KINGDOM OF GOD IN MANY FOREIGN LANGUAGES.
Speaking in different languages is a gift of the Holy Spirit that SOME are given — not all — for the purpose of preaching to Good News to different peoples — Never is a garbled non-nonsensical “noise” a gift of God.
You might as well chant the rosary 2000 times – that will have the same benefit as nonsensical noise.
….Seeker….trying to understand and explain a miracle, especially in the distant past is a task I would not take on….but then my evangelism is a very rare and special thing. I don’t care what people believe….If the Lord needs someone “touched” He puts him close enough.
max
I look to the unconditional promise of Jesus Christ; “You shall know the TRUTH and the TRUTH shall set you free”
Christ told His disciples they will know all things. Every day I come to understand more of the Truth.
Daniel in chapter 12 foretold that some prophecy is closed up UNTIL the time of the end,
That time is very close and prophecy is beginning to open to God’s people.
Paul gave the Saints of God a way to begin to understand the deep things of God, in effect: we can understand the spiritual by the physical.
TS wrote and sincerely believes “I look to the UNconditional promise of Jesus Christ” when such is NOT TRUE
31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, IF YE CONTINUE IN MY WORD, then are ye my disciples indeed;
32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
John 8
I F, I F, I F…M Y, M Y, M Y………..these are conditions!
“MY WORD” {the eternal words of Messiah} — not those of a Pharisee whose doctrine he repeatedly warned about!!!
…seeker….You can tell from sharon’s writings that he/she has no experience with miracles. No insight. Leaning unto his/her own understanding. He/she is not concerned with edification or inspiration. Hatred can make you see things differently than they really are….lust can do this too. These are ‘fruits of the flesh’, and can prohibit us partaking in the ‘fruits of the spirit’. If you indulge the flesh you usually ‘starve’ the spirit. This hatred can distort spiritual vision from recognizing evil in our presence. Sharon has done what he/she thought was right in her own eyes. their is no way sharon is going to receive any blessings from God….She’s doing what is right, IN HER OWN EYES.
….seeker….. what you said there…..that’s a good attitude,,,humble and insightful…..That’s not good enough for some folk….they gotta find a way to tear something down….then…they try to put their own image up in its’s place. looks a lot like idolatry to me.
The confusing *holy* Spirit of Paul
“Now when they had gone throughout Phrygia and the region of Galatia, and were FORBIDDEN OF THE HOLY SPIRIT TO PREACH IN ASIA,” Acts 16:6
14 That good thing which was committed unto thee keep by the Holy Spirit which dwelleth in us.
15 This thou knowest, that ALL THEY WHICH ARE IN ASIA BE TURNED AWAY FROM ME; of whom are Phygellus and Hermogenes.
2 Timothy 1
I’ll stick with the eternal words of Jesus Christ as recorded by his known Apostle:
John to the seven churches which are in Asia…
1 Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write; These things saith he that holdeth the seven stars in his right hand, who walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks;
2 I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and THOU HAST TRIED THEM WHICH SAY THEY ARE APOSTLES, AND ARE NOT, and hast found them LIARS:
THEY REJECTED PAUL and his falsehoods about being chosen and blinded and converted and commissioned with a ‘Gentile’ gospel,…yada, yada!!!
18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, EVEN NOW are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that THEY WERE NOT ALL OF US.
1 John 2
“For MANY DECEIVERS ARE ENTERED INTO THE WORLD, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.” 2 John 1:7
1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because MANY FALSE PROPHETS are gone out into the world.
2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
1 John 4
ANTI-CHRIST PAUL DENIES THAT JESUS CHRIST IS COME IN THE FLESH
Romans 8:3
For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son IN THE LIKENESS of sinful FLESH, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
sharonjorgen
Romans 8:3
“For what the law could not do,”
Sharon, the Law of God can only point out our sins, obeying the Law will never save even one person. This is Truth! The Law can NEVER save us. We can never keep it thus are sinners.
” in that it was weak through the flesh,”
Sharon; The Law can not be obeyed by flesh and blood, the flesh is too weak, the Law does not give us strength to obey it, the Law only defines what sin IS! God condemns the sinners to death not the Law.
“God sending his own Son IN THE LIKENESS of sinful FLESH,”
Sharon; God sent His own Son, THE WORD, in likeness of flesh and blood i.e. GOD in the flesh.
Christ — GOD — came to earth in the form of flesh and blood: Christ WAS GOD in the Flesh.
This again is TRUTH! And did not Christ die as do all men?
“and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:”
Sharon; and for or because of sin (which so easily comes to us), Christ condemned or gave judgment against sin.
Verse 4 “So that the Righteousness of the LAW might be fulfilled in us”.
Christ, by living a sinless life and dying for us made it possible for us to be forgiven and thus accounted as righteous in the eyes of our Father.
Christ by the power of the Holy Spirit of the Father doing the work of Righteousness in Christ, Christ was able to live a sinless life AND as we now can be given the Holy Spirit of the Father BY THE LAYING ON OF HANDS we now too can begin to live by every WORD of God.
You condemn Paul because Paul is hard to understand — because Paul teaches the strong meat of the Word, the deep things of God.
They condemned Christ because they also could not understand the spiritual things of God.
If you look at Christ and our Father with physical eyes you can not see them.
7 The law of the Lord is perfect, CONVERTING THE SOUL: the testimony of the Lord is sure, making wise the simple.
8 The statutes of the Lord are right, REJOICING THE HEART: the commandment of the Lord is pure, ENLIGHTENING THE EYES.
9 The fear of the Lord is clean, enduring for ever: the judgments of the Lord are true and righteous altogether.
Psalm 19
….seeker…..`these Paul bashers don’r realize it but they are going the way of the Kenites. They will fight tooth and nail to discredit the beauty of Paul’s teaching…because it exposes the Satanic influences in their own theology…..They are truly and purposely,
lost and deserve no attention whatsoever. We will never be able to reach them for they have distanced themselves from the Holy Spirit. They are the ‘end times’ version of the synagogue of Satan….
Sharonjorgen
The Law is perfect and is righteousness and is the very Divine Nature of God, I obey the Law.
Even the 4th one, the one that all hate.
The HOLY LAW of God is eternal, it has always existed as God’s Divine nature —
What is your point??
I have had a very hard time understanding you, many times you make no sense.
Paul as did all of the Apostles and the disciples of Christ obeyed the 10 Commandments and taught we must all obey them. The Holy Angels keep the Law, the Law will always BE!
Those that teach the Law is only temporary have no knowledge of God.
Did you not see your understanding of Romans 8 was faulty? Paul affirmed that Christ came in the Flesh.
I do not know what to say further, I do not understand any of your thoughts or problems.
The book of Acts turns Peter into a liar AND a murderer lickity split! The same Peter who wept bitterly after denying Christ now has NO MERCY as a purveyor of the anti-Christ Spirit [for an obvious agenda, scare'em into giving up the goods]:
9 Then Peter said unto her, How is it that ye have agreed together to tempt the Spirit of the Lord? behold, the feet of them which have buried thy husband are at the door, and shall carry thee out.
10 Then fell she down straightway at his feet, and yielded up the ghost: and the young men came in, and found her dead, and, carrying her forth, buried her by her husband.
11 And GREAT FEAR CAME UPON ALL THE CHURCH, and upon as many as heard these things.
12 And by the hands of the apostles were MANY SIGNS AND WONDERS wrought among the people; (and they were all with one accord in Solomon’s porch.
Acts 5
“And FEAR CAME UPON EVERY SOUL: and MANY WONDERS AND SIGNS were done by the apostles.” Acts 2:43
“Having land, sold it, and brought THE MONEY, and laid it at the apostles’ feet.” Acts 4:37
18 For I will not dare to speak of any of those things which Christ hath not wrought by me, to make the Gentiles OBEDIENT, BY WORD AND DEED, 19 Through mighty SIGNS AND WONDERS, by the power of the Spirit of God; so that from Jerusalem, and round about unto Illyricum, I have fully preached the gospel of Christ. [DO WHAT WE SAY]
27 It hath pleased them verily; and their debtors they are. For if the Gentiles have been made partakers of their spiritual things, their duty is also to minister unto them in carnal things [GIVE US YOUR MONEY].
Romans 15
However THE MASK DOES SLIP HERE AND THERE
By stretching forth thine hand to heal; and that SIGNS AND WONDERS may be done by the name of THY HOLY CHILD JESUS. {Acts 4:30}
C H I L D ! ! ! Just like the Roman Catholic church Jesus must remain in that manger or hanging on a crucifix
The Son of God is no child
10 …a great voice, as of a trumpet,
11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last…
13 …one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.
14 His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire;
15 And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters.
16 And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength.
17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:
18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.
Revelation1
For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great SIGNS AND WONDERS; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. {Matthew 24:24}
You Guys are having a real hard core discussion, no?
1213……doncha know? The issue is one of basic, fundamental doctrine. Neither end of this, will ever convince the other. Its very much like the “rapture” argument. I can discern real, grounded faith, from a mile away. Hatred is real easy to recognize too. I think hatred is a product of fear. In theological discussions, that’s a foolproof way to know friend from foe.
You said:
“GOD IS A CONSUMING FIRE…he doesn’t sit on believers like a laser show…otherwise they’d be dead!”
As usual, you don’t understand what is being said here – this is not literal fire, it is God’s jealousy – He demands ALL – EVERYTHING from those who follow Him – TOTAL COMMITTMENT – no half heartedness – full on enthusiasm – no falling away – no back sliding, because He gives us The Power to do it – His Holy Spirit.
Matthew 3:11 (KJV) I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but He that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: He shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, AND WITH FIRE!!!!! (Emphasis mine)
John 20:22 (KJV) And when He had said this, He breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:
This was a separate event from the tongues of fire event because Thomas was not present. Yashua Messiah gave them a first taste of The Holy Spirit, but the main event was the tongues of fire THE BAPTISM OF FIRE event when Thomas was present.
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The holy “”ghost”"??? Really; “ghost” and you expect me to believe what else you have to say??
I do NOT find in the WORD of GOD 90% of what you preach.
What are you gnat straining about now you Pharisee? Holy Ghost is KJV speak for Holy Spirit. You people are more pathetic than pathetic.
You said:
“I do NOT find in the WORD of GOD 90% of what you preach.”
That’s because you’re Spiritually dead and cannot see – you’re a blind guide.
Seeker….Holy spirit, Holy Ghost, I prefer the Holy Spirit….”Ah jis’ dun’t blebe in Ghostas”
yes2truth
Deuteronomy 4: 24 “For the LORD thy GOD is a CONSUMING FIRE even a jealous GOD.”
When the Hand of the Father came upon them is was as fire.
I do not call The SPIRIT of my Father a ghost. A lie is a lie. I do not consider that lie a gnat.
You’re a gnat strainer through and through always looking at THE LETTER and not THE SPIRIT or THE INTENT of the matter – watchout for those camels you 21st century Pharisee.
Jesus tells us in the Padgett Messages that the Holy Spirit comes to us when we long to God sincerely for His Divine Love. And anyone can long anywhere and at any time. One doesn’t have to belong to a religion. Some in the various religions do sincerely long to God for His Love even if they don’t fully understand what they are doing, and other people don’t pray truly for the Divine Love so don’t receive it. The Holy Spirit conveys God’s Divine Love into our souls. And without longing for the Divine Love we will never transform our natural love souls into becoming divine.
When you long from your heart to the Father for His Divine Love, you may feel in response to your longing the Holy Spirit come about you and then deliver the Divine Love into the core of your being. It’s a lovely feeling, and at times it could be likened to that of sensing a ‘ghost’ coming about you, something unseen and intangible yet nonetheless very real and with a strong presence when you’re attuned to it. And you can feel it move into you, almost as if you are breathing it into your soul in some way.
The Holy Spirit is a spirit that only acts in the transference of the Divine Love from God to us. It is not a spirit that has a personality, so we can’t relate to it on a personality level. It is not a spirit that is evolving in light or truth as we are. It is spirit that comes under the governance of the Divine Minister, the Local universal Mother Spirit who orchestrates all such mind circuits in our universe. When our longing for the Divine Love is true, sincere and honest, She will direct the Holy Spirit to us on behalf of the Heavenly Father.
Talking in tongues has nothing to do with the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is ONLY about conveying the Divine Love into our souls. All the talking in tongues business is carried out by unseen attending mind spirits (people who once lived on Earth but are now living as spirits within the mind mansion worlds) who want to have some power over those on Earth who are foolish enough to allow them to.
“Seriously?! Fool me once, shame on you…fool me twice and I’m most certainly a convert to Pharisee doctrine”
What you mean making it up as you go like a typical self serving politician? The Pharisees invented Judaism after 70 CE, after Rome wiped the Israelites off the face of Earth, basically it’s their political party manifesto. Jesus was not Jewish, he was an Israelite. The Pharisees were a political party that started life somewhere between 140 to 37 BCE, of wealthy influential money lenders and traders, they had branches in Rome, Turkey, Greece, Egypt, Arabia, Judea/Palestine. and probably a lot of other places as well.