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Are there any rapture folk out there that would like to take a shot at proving Revelation 11 reveals a rapture?
The Jews have never had a temple in Jerusalem, Jews are not the Israelites, they are the political party called the Pharisees. Judaism didn’t exist until after 70 CE. But even if they were descendants of the Israelites, the holy site they are talking about has been Islamic for 1’500 years, and it used to be a hill fort, not an Israelite temple. It always makes me laugh when I see Jews at their wailing wall, worshipping the foundation wall of an old hill fort.
The pushing and shoving in Jerusalem over the site is hilarious, first the c14 million Jews threaten they are going to make it Jewish, and now the 1.5 billion muslims are going to take even the wailing wall away from them, declaring the whole lot as Islamic. People who live in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones.
pix
you did not read the article did you??? the Temple of God is what God dwells in and my Father and His Son dwell in me —- my body is the Temple of God..
Pix you have made a few, 1 or 2, statements I agree with but all the other are pure nonsense.
Ps. how is your mothers basement? is it an OK place for you to crash and punch out nonsense?
BLASPHEMER!! You speak lies against the Jewish people.. The Jews build two temples and WILL soon overtake the Temple Mount and build their Third!! PRAISE BE TO GOD!! The Muslim Palestinians know this, which is why they are panicing all of a sudden! BIBLICAL PROPHECY WILL BE FULFILLED IN THE VERY NEAR FUTURE….
texasproud
I can’t tell if this comment is for me or for Pix
But I will offer this comment; yes the Hebrews built two temples, the Jews are only one tribe of the 12, and the common thought is there will be another and for the purpose of beginning the daily sacrifices, one at 9 AM and the other at 3 PM.
A new temple is not necessary for the daily sacrifice only an altar and a red heifer.
If you are watching the middle east closely it is not hard to imagine if the Jews were to begin construction – it would cause missiles to fly by the thousands.. The Muslims will not watch this happen.
It is possible that 30 days before the next Feast of Trumpets in 2016 there will be an attempt to offer the daily sacrifice and it may well be “Prevented” at that time.
All that is needed to fulfill Daniel 12: 11 is for the sacrifice to be prevented.
The great tribulation was 1260 years, the time of the papacy’s supremacy. Not seven years, not 3 1/2 years.
Once again a totally butchered interpretation. You must make your Roman masters happy.
“And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth. These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth. And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed. These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.” Revelation 11:3-6
Then we see something new; ‘Two Witnesses’; and they are ‘prophesying for 1260 day/years dressed in sackcloth’. As you read verses 3-7, you will see clues to know what they are. They are the Holy Scriptures, the Old and the New Testaments.
They are in ‘sackcloth’. Why? Sackcloth is something people would wear when they were very sad. Again we see that 1260 year period mentioned. The message of God’s Holy Word is described as sad and hidden at this time, during which millions of true believers died for their faith. Even to be caught with a Bible meant death. But the Bible still ‘prophesied’, it still had ‘power’. When people would get hold of the Bible and read it, or even be given a few verses written out by hand, they found the saving power of Jesus in it. It was the Bible that gave these people courage to live and die for Jesus’ truth, and it will do the same for us today.
“And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them. And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.” Revelation 11:7, 8
Now we come to an amazing story in prophecy; we see the two witnesses ‘finishing’ their testimony in sackcloth; for that is what the words in Greek really tell us. So we know that something happened to the Bible near the close of those 1260 years that ended in 1798. Did something happen then?
Yes, it says a ‘beast’ comes out of the bottomless pit. The bottomless pit refers to the wickedness and spiritual darkness of this world; so out of this wicked world comes a new ‘beast’; a new manifestation of satanic power.
In 1793, Atheism, calling itself ‘Communism’ arose mainly in France, and they passed a law outlawing the Bible. The Roman power had kept the Bible from the common people, but now this new power declared that the Bible was to be destroyed forever. ‘It was ‘killed’; in other words, it was to have no political influence at all.
What city is here shown to us? The Bible says three things; Sodom, Egypt, and where Jesus was crucified. But these are symbols here; Sodom meant the wicked and immoral way they lived, when they also ruled to have no proper marriage anymore. Egypt was where Pharaoh declared he ‘knew not God’, and France now declared the same thing; and Jesus was crucified symbolically, when His people were slain in France in the St. Bartholomew’s Massacre, years before. The city? It was Paris, France.
There happened events so terrible, that they are known as the ‘Reign of Terror’. People were killed by having their heads chopped off by a machine called a Guillotine. So many people were killed that blood flowed down the streets and colored the waters of the river red.
When people refuse the Bible and the authority of God’s Holy Law, it doesn’t take long until terrible things happen. Why? Because when we refuse to obey God, Satan forces us to do his will; there is no other choice.
“And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves. And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth. And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.” Revelation 11:9-11
The other nations saw the terrible events that happened when France by a decree of her government passed a law doing away with the Bible and all religion and belief in God. For exactly 3 ½ years, as the prophecy says, this went on. Wicked people celebrated; but soon terror took the place of merry-making. No one knew when his head would be the next to come off.
Exactly 3 ½ years later,that same government passed a law putting the Bible, and belief in God, back in their rightful place. All thinking people who saw the events that had happened, were made fearful of ever doing such a wicked thing again. After this time the Bible was held in greater reverence, at least by the Protestant nations, than ever before.
“And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them. And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.” Revelation 11:12, 13.
This refers to the fact that a great missionary movement took place after this time. Bible Societies were started, and the True Received Text Bible was carried all over the world to the heathen people by missionaries.
What about the Earthquake? And the ‘tenth part of the city fell’? Well, France was a ‘Tenth’ part of Europe and the ‘Earthquake’, a symbolic one, referred to the terrible French Revolution. Like a real earthquake, it sure shook people up. “And in the earthquake were slain of men [margin, names of men, or titles of men] seven thousand.” France made war, in her revolution of 1789-98 and onward, on all titles of nobility. It is said, by those who have examined the French records, that actually there were seven thousand hereditary titles of men, abolished in that revolution.
“And the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.” Their God-dishonoring and Heaven-defying work filled France with such scenes of blood, carnage, and horror, as made even the infidels themselves tremble, and stand aghast; and the “remnant” that escaped the horrors of that hour “gave glory to God”, perhaps not willingly, but the God of heaven caused this “wrath of man to praise Him,” by showing all the world that those who make war on heaven make graves for themselves.
Amminadab
Wow.
Do you know God never changes His plan, what He did before – He will do again.
The first two witnesses were Moses and Aaron, both Levites and brothers and they came before Pharaoh, a type of Satan, to demand the release of the captives i.e. the 12 tribes of Israel.
The last two witnesses may also be Levites and brothers and they too will come before the Beast, a type of Satan, and demand the release of the remnant of the 12 tribes of Jacob that will be taken into captivity after World War Three. Have you heard recently about the coming of W W 3?
If you will bother to read Ezekiel chapters 4 -7 you will find at the time of the end one third of the nations of Israel will die from famine and disease and one third will die from war i.e. the sword and that war is the third world war and the one third that remains will be taken it to captivity.
Has this many deaths occurred in any nation in the past 1000 years, has 2/3 died in a very short time and then the nation ceases to exist???
If you think we are or have been in bad times you are in for a shock and a big one. when millions begin to die and lay in the streets then we are in the time of Jacobs Trouble a time that has never happen before nor ever will again.
Rapture only happens to the raptured. No one knows who that will be. The discussion is pointless.
nwodummy
If the rapture can not be found in the Word of God then you are correct the discussion is pointless
and this study of Revelation 11 reveals not one word concerning any kind of “snatching” to heaven but does explain when the first resurrection will take place.
LOL
So it seems the “ruptured” will not know when or how they will be “ruptured” because no one knows any thing about the rupture — but as you state the rupture only happens to the ruptured or something like that….. now is that clear??
the rapture is found in scripture just not in revelations – crawl back into your hell.
you’re an embarrasment to the human race.
nwodummy
please show me — first — the scriptures saying any man is going to heaven- ever?
There have been many men offering $10′s of thousands of dollars to the person that can come up with a scripture saying “when we get to heaven” or ” the reward of the saved is heaven” or ” when Christ draws me to heaven”.
I have about 40 more pages using ever single scripture you can think of proving there is no rapture.
The rapture is a con job of Satan the devil.
Ps; Yes the human race is a very big embarrassment, we killed the Son of GOD and if Christ came back as a human we would do it again. Actually you just gave me a complement. Thanks
“Not everyone who says to Me, Lord, Lord, will enter into the kingdom of Heaven, but the ones who do the will of My Father in Heaven” Matthew 7:21
theypierced
I too want to enter into the kingdom — OF– heaven. This does not say the kingdom – IN – heaven and yes my Father is IN heaven.
Christ is bringing that Kingdom, that government, to earth at His return.
the Kingdom that Christ is bringing with Him is the Kingdom OF heaven. we do not need to go to heaven to be in the kingdom.
seekerstruth dogma, no-one goes to heaven ?
Rev 11 destroys the Precept of Gods rescue of the BRIDE ….Bahwahahaha!!!
A person under the Law of the flesh cannot see nor enter the Kingdom of God, He who is flesh is flesh, he who is Spirit is Spirit.
You come as you are called seekertruth YOU ARE CALLED TO BE A TRIBULATION SAINT this is obvious to me, as your as BLIND AS A BAT (to the rapture/rescue) THOSE WHOM ARE (accounted worthy) and “ESCAPED ALL THESE THINGS”..Luke 21:36…. by being taken UP TO HEAVEN …The BRIDE, the 5 WISE virgins (in tact no heads missing) ….matt 25
“We will ALL come as we are called ….your NOT called to this event…So your BLIND to it !!
Your also willfully denying Gods Precepts (law/action) of rescue of His people ALWAYS BEFORE WRATH, making them of no effect ie. in His examples that he gave us of Noah and Lot ??
“Gods Mercy is GREATER than His Wrath” Shown throughout Scripture…numerous times as PROOF.
Romans 11:25
….until the fulness of the Gentiles be 
come in.
King James Bible
For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel,
You say ..”Are there any rapture folk out there that would like to take a shot at proving Revelation 11 reveals a rapture?”
The Rapture occurs LONG BEFORE seekerthruths interpenetration of events of Rev 11….so your question is a moot point to PTRs view, Its like saying SHOW ME in Rev 11 the marriage feast !….when it’s in ANOTHER area of the Bible and it has occurred already.
As for no-one going to heaven Just Wow really…… Please SCRIPTUALLY answer these questions in context ….Not with your “it says they go up to heaven but it doesn’t say third heaven BS !
WHERE IS THE MARRIAGE SUPPER TAKING PLACE ?
WHERE DID THE 5 WISE virgins GO when Y’shua came for them by HIMSELF….@ His APPEARING…..?Matt 25
How did the BRIDE get into HEAVEN,…. IN REV 21 v 9 then become the WIFE ? IN the NEW JERUSALEM……………. which comes down from HEAVEN ?
“Come, I will show you the bride, the wife of the Lamb.”
And btw Angels DON’T get Crowns per your “24 Elders’ comment either ONLY HUMANS DO …lol
Furthermore Elder is never applied to Angels, neither do Angels have “Crowns” and sit on “thrones.”.
…I’ve mentioned this before, you see thing that are NOT there, you make it up to fit your Own estimates of event 
crazy
When all things have been place under the feet of Jesus Christ and He is sitting on the Throne of His father David– IN HIS KINGDOM — here on earth then Christ will marry the Bride HERE in HIS kingdom.
You think Christ will marry before His kingdom is secured??
The 5 spiritual virgins will “go out” to meet the Bridegroom — it no where states they go to heaven — that is just foolish hoping on your part.
crazy you have so twisted scripture it is a waste of time trying to make sense out of your crazy twisted thoughts.
crazy
I have 45 pages of scripture proving there is no rapture — shall I post them all/
Here is a very short scripture showing there is a resurrection but no rapture.
John 11: 23- 24
23 “Jesus said to her, “Your brother will rise again.”
24 “Martha said to Him, “I know that he will rise again in the resurrection ———- “On the last day.”
Jesus and Martha are both referring to the First Resurrection. Notice Martha did not say rapture, she said in— “THE” resurrection ––ON—The Last Day —- not before the 5th Seal or even the 6th but the last day. “The last Day” or “In That Day” is a term used multiple times in God’s Word and both terms speak of the time of the Return of Christ to earth and the First Resurrection at the very end of The Day of The Lord.
This DAY — is at the end of the 7th Trump, meaning it is way too late for a rapture.
One minister states Christ took this time with Martha to explain the rapture??? Martha used the words ‘the resurrection on the last day!’ and that is supposed to demonstrate a rapture that comes before the 5th Seal? Talk about reading into the Words of Jesus Christ what one wants to hear?
Truthseeker on Heaven_and the prep. “in”. Yhwshua said in John 3:13 “And no one has gone up into Heaven, except He having come down out of Heaven, the Son of Man who is in Heaven. ”
So, Yhwshua is in both places simultaneously, walking as a man.
I believe that because I am “in Him” that I am where He is.
pierced my hand
I believe if you will study Strong’s and other translations you will find that scripture to be saying “the Son of Man who is “from” heaven”.
Christ stepped out of immortality to become flesh and to die. He can not be in both places at once.. Christ had to cease to exist for 3 days and 3 night or else He is not our savior.
The KJV is a translation from Hebrew to Greek to Latin to English and the translators slanted the words to their own beliefs.
Truthseeker, the Strong’s verifies what I posted. The word ‘ev” “en” #1722 is the English “in”,
as in, “the Son of Man who is in Heaven.”
So, therefore, as I posted, I am in heaven and on earth simultaneously, as I believe as it is written that Yhwshua was there in John 3:13.
“With Father all things are possible”, so He is able to be in as many dimensions, and elsewhere as much as He pleases, seems to me.
pierced
here are 4 more translations, they do not agree with the KJV- the way they have set up the statement makes more logical sense.
NAS
13“No one has ascended into heaven, but He who descended from heaven: the Son of Man
NIV
13No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven—the Son of Man. e
e 13 Some manuscripts Man, who is in heaven
NLT
13No one has ever gone to heaven and returned. But the Son of Man.
BSB
13No one has ascended into heaven except the One who
descended from heaven—the Son of Man. b
b 13 RP and TR include who is in heaven
Thus there is a question?? I will stick with what I said above.
Truthseeker, In posting here I normally use J.P. Green Literal translation, word for word according to the Greek, without seeking to manipulate it.
I showed you the exact word “in”. However one forms the sentence the word is still “in”.
Actually, I’m a little surprised, because I know you listen to Paul, and Paul also says that even believers are both here and in heaven in Yhwshua
simultaneously.
Don’t you agree that being “in Him”, you are wherever He is ?
pierced
Here is what I believe; when by the laying on of hands the Spirit of the Father is put in a person, by that ONE spirit the Father and the Son dwell in that person. The Father raised Christ to life by that ONE spirit.
The Spirit of The Father is His Seed as per Paul, a small measure of HIS life, comparing to the physical which we should do, the Father is impregnating us with His Spirit “DNA” if you will. That is why HE IS our Father.
When we have grown to spiritual maturity we can be born again into immortal spirit into the spirit image of the Father. the time that will occur is the First Resurrection.
As far as being where ever Christ is, I believe it is the other way around, where ever we are the Father and Christ are with us.
No I am not in heaven with them, I am not spirit I am dust and only spirit is in the 3rd heaven. Later where ever Christ is we will be there
Pierced the above is deep, I hope not too deep?
“Those waiting for a rapture — are waiting in vain.”
At least that part is true . . .
ferrett
So Revelation 11 is not true?? it does not say what it says?
seekertruth….Please answer these questions in context
Showing chapter verse Scripturally not your ramblings !!
I got 45 pages etc etc….You talk a lot about what you think should happen but your replies are not with scripture.
Once again….You don’t need to give 45 scriptures for the following …Just the Word Only …thank you.
WHERE IS THE MARRIAGE SUPPER TAKING PLACE ?
You said…”then Christ will marry the Bride HERE in HIS kingdom. I guess you mean on EARTH…..Then please supply Chapter and verse to back that up.
WHERE DID THE 5 WISE virgins GO when Y’shua came for them by HIMSELF….@ His APPEARING…..?Matt 25
You have correctly answered “THEY GO OUT TO MEET HIM” and are NOT taken/gathered by Angels, good start….Now where did they GO and for what purpose ? it’s in the verses further along …..Matt 25 verse 10
You have given NO Scripture or a satisfactory answer for that question, you deny the obvious answer…
How did the BRIDE get into HEAVEN ?,…. IN REV 21 v 9 then become the WIFE ? IN the NEW JERUSALEM……………. which comes down from HEAVEN.
I SEE NO ANSWER…let alone a scriptural one.
Now to Martha /the resurrection.
The Dead (= RESSURECTION in Christ will arise)
FIRST
then we WHO ARE ALIVE will be changed to meet the Lord in the Air (raptured) then through the Door to the marriage in HEAVEN….there is no conflict as it’s done at the same time….So your reading a lot into the “Last day” its not scriptural to mean it’s the very last day of the tribb, meant by/in that comment…
PS…I don’t need your 45 pages of Naysaying there is NOTHING I have ever heard that destroys Gods Precepts of Rescue BEFORE Wrath for His people as the good book CLEARLY shows, as I know “God judges Justly”, the BRIDE will not go to the “Last day” as she is NOT destined for WRATH …ANY WRATH…..
Crazy you are just too smart for me — just continue believing what you would like to believe..
There is nothing smart about it Truthseeker, your false dogma accusation is refuted not by me, but by…. “as it is written”.
So likewise matey continue to believe in seekerstruth as THAT is your calling, my calling is different, we are both working out our callings.
I wish you well. really,….shalom.
crazy
what part of England are you from? I have been from Redruth to Scotland?