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Was you their to witness this or are you basing it on accounts made hundreds of years later,
Turn the other cheek.
“Some claim Jesus Christ never kept the sabbath and changed it to the first day?” Well first, how could he change something he never kept, and secondly, is this a question or a statement? In any event, the days of the week are all named after pagan Gods or Planets. All of the Christian events are dated on pagan dates. Even Easter is timed to the full moon. Some claim Jesus never existed at all. Can you show me any proof that he did exist?
There is no evidence for the Biblical Jesus, but there is one and only one human candidate that fits the description. Back then it was very common for Emperors, Kings and Queens to associate themselves with deities. There are many examples. In this case; the only begotten son of god, the acting Roman emperor Julius Caesar via the virgin queen of Egypt Cleopatra/Isis Meri (royal virgin consort). There is no certainty about his name, but it would have been Greek, because Cleopatra was Greek, and probably Iesous. Nicknamed Caesarian, born c30 BCE, heir to the Roman and Egyptian empires, titled ‘son of god’, ‘lamb of god’, ‘heir to the kingdom of god’, ‘in the image of god’, and many other curious title analogies to the Biblical Jesus. Fled into the wilderness with his brothers and sister via Mark Antony, after Cleopatra and Antony lost their war for independence from Rome.
Jesus being Caesarian would shed light on the mysterious claim in the bible that Jesus went into the wilderness and was tempted by the Devil with an offer of being King of the world. It’s mysterious because it wouldn’t matter how much you were offered the world, unless you had been born into it, the people would have lynched and strung up for being a usurper. It was the way they kept their authority over people, by claiming god wanted them to rule by making them born into it. The only entity with the means to offer such a thing are the money lenders, at that time called the Pharisees.
In which case, the sacrifice was giving up his birthright and living a more simpler life.
It would also explain why Jesus claims to be “the root and offspring of David (the offspring of a Ruler of Egypt), and the bright morning star,” Venus on the dawn horizon, aka Lucifer, (Julius Caesar was a direct descendent of Venus, a small but influential kingdom that existed in present day Turkey.)
Jesus was annointed and hailed king by the Magi – the enemies of Rome and their puppet Herod.
The Magi were from Persia, their religion was Zoroastrianism.
If it was Caesarion then the Magi would have been correct in their claim he was King. Because he was the only begotten son of Julius Caesar and the only true heir to Rome and Egypt. But it was the older adopted son of Julius Caesar who took over Rome as the first hereditary Roman Emperor, Octavian/Augustus. It was him who destroyed Cleopatra and Mark Antony.
Persia
EXACTLY. They were the theocratic civil administrators of Persia the no. 1 enemy of Rome and the people whose empire Caesar died before he could go to war with. The ones who poured molten gold down the throat of Crassus. The ones opposed to the Roman puppet Herod.
Render unto Crassus that which is Crassus’
Magi= magician, that is all it is.
Allroads
That is Roman propoganda
Magician = Magi
Earliest images of Christ = Magi with wand.
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=christ+with+wand&hl=en&bih=800&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAWoVChMI49LsoOHxyAIViccUCh2L9g06&biw=533.3333333333334&dpr=1.5
You say that is all a lot dont you? Because it never is. That is all = idiot
Magic was a major part of the ancient world, but it is also important to make sure that what we have in mind when examining these images is ancient magic, and not our own contemporary understanding. NIDB gives a good overview, and notes that the difference between magic and miracles is primarily about the social standing of the one performing the act. It seems to have been largely an issue of insider/outsider status, as in, our magic is miraculous and yours is sorcery. Artifacts such as documents and amulets show that magic spells had a variety of uses, such as winning a court case or a competitive event, impeding a rival or promoting success in business or love.
It used to be ‘think before you speak’, these days it’s ‘Google before you post’.
“Magi (/ˈmeɪdʒaɪ/; Latin plural of magus; Ancient Greek: μάγος magos; Old Persian: 𐎶𐎦𐎢𐏁 maguš, Persian: مُغ mogh; English singular magian, mage, magus, magusian, magusaean; Kurdish: manji, Turkish: mecaz) is a term, used since at least the 6th century BCE, to denote followers of Zoroastrianism or Zoroaster. ”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magi
Mage, magian = wise person. It does not mean magician
I HAVE reas Jesus the Magician I know properly what a magus was. And that Jesus is argued in it to have been the rank below that.
According to Robert Charles Zaehner, in other accounts, “we hear of Magi not only in Persia, Parthia, Bactria, Chorasmia, Aria, Media, and among the Sakas, but also in non-Iranian lands like Samaria, Ethiopia, and Egypt. Their influence was also widespread throughout Asia Minor. It is, therefore, quite likely that the sacerdotal caste of the Magi was distinct from the Median tribe of the same name.”
Jesus Christ is Dionysus. It’s a Greek composite word, Dion means ‘anointed one’ Christ, and Ysus is the same name as Jesus before the letter J was invented in the 15th/16th century CE. The name as a whole means ‘Being like the source’. Ie, being self reliant, living off the land as Nature intended, not as a wage slave of the state.
It’s the difference between Greek and Latin language syntax, Christ Ysus V’s Jesus Christ. Here he is dying on the cross, this example is hundreds of years older than the Christian story time line. There are many and some are thousands of years older. http://www.poetryring.com/ra/dionysus_on_cross.gif
QED.
“There is no evidence…” by now you should have learned that lack of evidence is not proof.
Pix;
You’ve really lost it this time.
Mike
I haven’t lost anything. I’m the one with all the evidence. you have no evidence at all. Not a single scrap.
The Papacy changed their day of worship to Sunday to demonstrate it was theirs to change.
The philosopher Epictetus mentioned the Christians but he called them the Galileans so there was a Galilean religious group in Rome in his time. He was a contemporary of St Paul.
So not a Judean religious group but specifically a Galilean one in Rome.
Well even the jews pay homage to them by wearing the little roman skull cap. The yamulka, beanie whatever you want to call it cam from rome- not the jews. The knot box is orthodox jew of course.
Judeans weren’t Jewish and the more basic idea of head covering obviously isnt Roman.
Bacchus;
Actually, Jesus did adhere to the Law Covenant, until he ended it on Nisan 14.
mike
Christ ended the Law even after He stated “think not that I came to destroy the Law”"
Hey I have a toll bridge to see, you interested??
sell not see??
It’s the same argument on all laws Jewish V’s Christian.
Matthew 5. “17 Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill. 18“For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished. 19 Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I say to you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven. ”
Jesus then continues his sermon making the old laws even more severe than they were under Jewish law, which contains over 300 laws, and over 100 of them are about disgusting barbaric ritual animal sacrifices. The laws stand until heaven and Earth pass away, so you’d better get busy reading up on them all before your Mafia thug deity goes medieval on your heiny. Good luck on trying to love everyone and hate everyone at the same time, which are 2 of eight essential criteria Jesus gave to qualify.
Add: The Pharisees were a political party of money lenders and traders formed during the Maccabean revolt. After Rome wiped Syria, Lebanon, Israel and Judea off the face of Earth in 70 CE, they invented Rabbinic (word of mouth, aka making it up as you go) Judaism.
So Jesus was not talking about Judaism, because it didn’t exist until after his crucifixion.
You still lying about the Romans wiping Israel off the face of the earth shlomo?
Go gush to the Palestinians in ‘Israel’ about post Jewishness commie.
Get real you silly troll.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Jewish%E2%80%93Roman_War
Israel was destroyed in 740 BC. The Romans war was with the occupied buffer state of. judea.
Truthseeker
” do you get paid by the word you copy/paste here on BIN ??? or by the hour???”
Why do you ask, are you jealous and in need of a well paid job or something? I get paid in pure pleasure by putting your superstitious codswallop back into it’s historical context.
DamnEl “Israel was destroyed in 740 BC. The Romans war was with the occupied buffer state of. judea.”
That was the 1st Israelite temple period, that ended when Babylon trounced them and took them into captivity. We are talking about the Israelites 2nd temple period that ended in 70 CE. DER.
Pix
That was the 1st Israelite temple period, that ended when Babylon trounced them and took them into captivity. We are talking about the Israelites 2nd temple period that ended in 70 CE.
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You are the one big on history. There is no archaeological evidence Israel and Judah were ever united.
If Israel is a spiritual reality rather than a political one then the Romans OBVIOUSLY didn’t destroy Israel in 70 BC. How could they? If it non politically persisted after 740 BC it clearly persisted after 70 AD – as the Christian Church / Corporate Judaism.
“There is no archaeological evidence Israel and Judah were ever united.
If Israel is a spiritual reality rather than a political one then the Romans OBVIOUSLY didn’t destroy Israel in 70 BC.”
Israel was contiguous with Judeas northern borden. Jerusalem was in Judea, not in Israel. And Rome was crushing a rebellion that began in present day Syria and ended in Judea, it had nothing to do with religion. Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Israel and finally Judea were utterly obliterated by the Roman empire. It’s no different to how Rome dealt with England’s Buddician rebellion, they massacred every last man, women, child, and suckling baby from the tip of Kent to the tip of Anglesey in Wales annihilating an entire civilisation. Rome also did the same to Germany for rebelling.
You sound very confused over the dating system. BCE = before common era, all BCE dates are reversed. The higher the number the further back in time.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pharisees
“The Pharisees (/ˈfærəˌsiːz/) were at various times a political party, a social movement, and a school of thought in the Holy Land during the time of Second Temple Judaism. After the destruction of the Second Temple in 70 CE, Pharisaic beliefs became the foundational, liturgical and ritualistic basis for Rabbinic Judaism “
pix
just a quick question — do you get paid by the word you copy/paste here on BIN ??? or by the hour???
Truthseeker
” do you get paid by the word you copy/paste here on BIN ??? or by the hour???”
Why do you ask, are you jealous and in need of a well paid job or something? I get paid in pure pleasure by putting your superstitious codswallop back into it’s historical context.
PIX
nope don’t need nothing –money or a job—–
but I just don’t understand, you claim to work for a college or something and you are on BIN 24/7 it seems — I just don’t see how you can make a living at the college if you are here 24/7???
Is the college paying you to post your pagan history on BIN??
I’m a professor of anthropology, I work in a University in England lecturing undergraduate theology students, on the origins and historical context of their religions dogma.
There isn’t a single element in Christianity that is unique or original to it, fact. Go from there.
I don’t post articles to BIN because I don’t write articles, I write research papers. I post comments to BIN articles sometimes for the love of truth, other times to test peoples integrity. Very few pass the integrity test proving they don’t believe their own BS. All this information is used for research material in human behaviour.
Anthropology is not just history, it’s mostly forensic science. Clearer now?
pix
LOL LOL Do you spend more time on BIN then at the “university” ?? It sure appears so or are you at this university??
Pix I am not at all impressed with anything about you. I have met more then my share of “fine fellows” like you in my time. You are an aggravating tiny splinter in my little finger– that is all – aggravating noise–
Bacchus and Pix, great posts, tingled the brain cells.
Observance of the the Sabbath Day was given specifically to Israel ( Deuteronomy 5:3,15) Sabbath means Rest and Jesus Christ fulfilled this aspect in that He is our Rest ( Matthew 11:28-30) In John 5, Jesus healed on the Sabbath Day and was condemned to be worthy of the death penalty by the Phariseess, but He said, “My Father works and I work”, thus the Sabbath is Gid working for man. This concept is elaborated in Hebrews chapters 4 and 5 where FIVE times, it is said that the Sabbath or Rest is “Today” . When is “Today”? It is today and everyday! That is why according ” it is written”:
One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks. –Romans 14:5-6
The early Church did meet on “the First Day of the Wee” since Jesus fulfilled ” the Day of First fruits” by being raised from the dead on “the morrow after the Sabbath” (Leviticus 23:11) However we are FREE to observe the Sabbath Day (7th day), Sunday, (1st day) , any other day, or no day started all according to the plain reading of Romans 14: 5-6. Therefore stand fast in the LIBERTY with which Christ has made us FREE, and do not become entangled again in the yoke of bondage. –Galatians5:1
Ron W
“”Christ has made us “FREE”, and do not become entangled again in the yoke of bondage”
Wow Ron we are free from bondage to that horrible old law ???
So is it now fine to kill a husband, steal his money and rape his wife all in front of an idol of mary??
Boy am I glad this nation is free from that terrible, harsh law I am now free to roam about and do as I please — Ron I would like to stop by – do you have much money??
My reply is as void of logic and understanding — as your statement.
- the 10 Commandments reveal to man the perfect Divine Righteous Holy Nature/Character of GOD. So what you want it appears is a man like our current president as a god???? LOL
So is it now fine to kill a husband, steal his money and rape his wife all in front of an idol of mary??
Because loving one another would stop people doing that. When you love one another the law has no one its executors can force to obey it. If your primary motivation is obeying the law like a pharisee then the law becomes pointless. You rejected love as the primary motivation so who cares about not lying?
damnle
Jesus Christ repeatedly stated that the Law– is a law of love,
That keeping the Commandment IS LOVE — it is the WAY love is shown, is demonstrated.
when the Father call us to conversion — what is being converted???
We are born with the same nature as Adam – Carnal human nature which hate God and His Law.
When hands are laid upon the repentant that have been baptized the Father begins to “convert” us from our carnal natures to HIS Divine Holy Righteous Nature by the indwelling of HIS Divine Nature — AND HIS NATURE LOVE HIS LAW.
How else do you suppose He is able to “write His laws in our minds?? By a change of our nature.
and by the way the Law He writes in our mind is the same 10 Commandments
either the law is in effect or what I wrote to make a point is our future.
You said yourself Adam, being carnal, was under the law. So Adam is being converted to love as the foundation.
No one follows the law so as to be without sin. This is why the pedantic pharisees chose to admit that they actually agreed with Jesus rather than what they were suggesting about needing to stone Magdele for adultery and did nothing.
Damnel
I am not sure what you are saying;
So let me answer this way, yes Adam was “under” the penalty of death for transgressing the Law and he died.
Adam will be resurrected in the 2nd resurrection (see Ezekiel 37 the old dry bones section) and during a normal life time of 100 years will be offered God Spirit upon repentance and if Adam endures until the end He will be born into the Kingdom of God i.e. the Family of God.
No one can keep the LAW without a change of nature — into to the Nature of our Father.
Do not misunderstand that does not mean those in the flesh with God’s spirit can not sin — not at all — until we are born again with the same spirit body as our elder brother Jesus Christ and are filled to the full with the Divine Nature of our Father — all of us will sin.
But the spirit will quickly led us into repentance.
If any “willfully” sin — there is no more forgiveness.
Truthseeker
Constitutionalist free man on the land drives through school yard as short cut, police marksman employed in their millions nationwide on every rooftop and street corner kill innocent passerby trying to take him out, Black Lives Matter, gaytheist groups politicians pix and plsnogod each declare martial law, the marksmen and their children when white heteros are all hung from washington street lamps …and so on
The Law
damnle
Man’s law is absolutely corrupted, we no longer live as free men, we were founded under the rule of the law–
Now it is the —- rule of MAN
My brother in Law was an attorney, He quit he could no longer work in the system it was so corrupt.
I lost a suit against me that cost $75,000 and then my business because of the the rule of man.
God’s Law is perfect converting the soul i.e. the mind, the nature.
Loving God with all your heart and your neighbour as yourself does not change Ten Commandments into nine or none. (Matthew 22:35) Jesus said all the law hang on these two Commandments while He quoted Deuteronomy 6:5, which is 17 verses after the second reading of the Ten Commandments when no one can argue the Sabbath Commandment was being kept. The Sabbath has existed since creation (only reason we have a seven day week) before sin and Jews and God asked us to “remember” the day when He personally gave His law and all flesh keep the Sabbath forever in the new Heaven and Earth. (Isaiah 66:22-23) Luke 23:56 says they “rested the Sabbath day according to the Commandment.” and the book of Luke was written 30 to 50 years after the cross. Jesus confirmed the Sabbath was not abolished while referring to the destruction of the temple in 70 A.D. (Matthew 24:20) and yet more evidence the Sabbath was not changed in honour of the resurrection.
Truth seeker, yes, you may do as you please because “the faith and love which is in Christ Jesus” operates in freedom. You’re correct that the Law, the 10 Commandments, reveals God’s perfect righteousness. It can only reveal our sin. But we cannot perform His righteous by the law since “by the law comes the knowledge of sin” . We must live in dependence on the Spirit which I dwells believers to express His righteousness which He gives us. Read the whole chapter of Romans 7 in which the Apostle Paul admits that the Law only caused him to sin. He cites the 10th commandment which demands that we not only sin in action but in our desires as the one which completely condemned him and that he could not perform its demands. Remember in James it says if you offend in one point, you have broken the whole Law. But yes, the ” yoke of bondage” is the Law by which no one can live. The whole law is fulfilled in Christ and we must live by His Spirit expressing His life in us.
ron w
I am sorry you can not grasps the fact that the Law is not bondage, that the Law is that PERFECT WAY of our Father and His Son, that Way Christ came — NO TO DO FOR US – but to Show us that perfect way by His Example.
Christ lived a sinless life — we are not suppose to follow that example?????
That WAY is a very narrow path and the light that reveals that path to those the Father Calls is the LAW!
I have come across folks like you here on BIN — the god you AND THEY follow – changes. “Today this is what you must do and tomorrow I will change it”.
Yesterday the Law was HOLY and GOOD and Just and Perfect but tomorrow it will become harsh and a burden and must be taken off our backs!
My Father changes NOT!
Ps; Christ did not “fulfilled” the Law — HE in fact filled it UP. It is now FULL!
The Law given to the children of Israel was a physical law for a physical people.
Christ came to fill it up — it is now spiritual as well. It is a spiritual law for a spiritual people.
Christ said Now if a man hates a man in his mind he has broken the LAW- Before you actually had to kill the man to break the law.
But you will continue to follow your own path.
morgawr -bacchus—pix
Show me one man that has turned the world up side down as has Jesus Christ!
Bring forth from history one man that today still has 2 + Billion supposedly following what He taught — I fully realize they do not! — They confirm with their mouths but not by their actions.
Show me a book from 4000 or so years ago that is still held in high esteem and is still the best selling book in the world.
Show me a more just and righteous Law then the 10 Commandments that has endured for 6000 years. It was in force in the garden with Adam.
Please show me WHY a week is still 7 days long?
You demand proof, just like the Jews demanded of Christ, that He is the Savior of the world — He gave them only one sign “I will be in the heart of the earth for 3 days and 3 nights” and HE WAS and rose from the dead on the third Day which was the Sabbath DAY and not the day of the pagan sun god.
YOUR “proof” is on the way — everything you “worship” is about to turn against you — exactly as in the days in Egypt when Jesus Christ turned the gods of Egypt against them and DESTROYED EGYPT.
“Show me one man that has turned the world up side down”
If this is a comparison of spirituality based characters, then the Buddha has influenced far more people than Jesus, the populations of India, China, Tibet, Mongolia, Siberian/Russian steppes , Japan etc being far larger in area and population numbers. The only thing Jesus Christ turned over was the Pharisees money lending tables.
” everything you “worship” is about to turn against you”
The only thing I worship is my wife and family. And no, they are not going to turn against me. Get real.
“You demand proof, just like the Jews demanded of Christ, that He is the Savior of the world — He gave them only one sign “I will be in the heart of the earth for 3 days and 3 nights”
The sun does that every year with out fail for hundreds of thousands of years. On the 21st of december the sun drops to below the horizon in the northern hemisphere, stays in the cave/grave/tomb for 3 days, and then on the 25th starts it’s climb back into the heavens again.
The only evidence that exists proves Jesus was Dionysus. There isn’t a single element in Christianity that is unique or original to it, it’s plagiarised and regurgitated paganism. I’m sticking with the evidence.
“Please show me WHY a week is still 7 days long?”
They number of days in the week is based on the number of planets or heavenly bodies in our solar system that were known of during the classic Greek period.
“Show me a book from 4000 or so years ago that is still held in high esteem and is still the best selling book in the world.”
“Sumerian literature is the literature written in the Sumerian language during the Middle Bronze Age. Most Sumerian literature is preserved indirectly, via Assyrian or Babylonian copies.
The Sumerians invented the first writing system, developing Sumerian cuneiform writing out of earlier proto-writing systems by about the 30th century 8–. The earliest literary texts appear from about the 27th century BCE.” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sumerian_literature
Sumerian literature is the origin of the Garden of Eden story. They were polytheistic, not monotheistic. Your collection of scrolls are unrelated to each other. Putting them into the same book doesn’t change that fact.
Add: Your book is c1’000 years old, not 4’000 years old. The Catholic bible was created throughout the 6th to 10th centuries CE. All protestant bibles are versions of the King James bible. The NT was completed in 1611 by 8 members of the Church of England.
There were (and still are) no original texts to translate. The oldest manuscripts we have were written down hundreds of years after the last apostle died. There are over 8’000 of these old manuscripts, with no two alike.
The King James translators used none of these in any case. Instead, they edited previous translations to create a version their king and parliament would approve.
So, 21st Century Christians believe the “word of god” is a book edited in the 17th century from 16th century Late Latin Catholic translations of 8,000 contradictory copies of 4th century Greek scrolls that Catholicism claims to be copies of lost letters written in the 1st century in Hebrew and Aramaic.
That is not faith, that is insanity.
pix
We shall soon enough know which of us is insane —
The economies of the entire world are set to blow apart and soon.
There is $1,300,000,000,000,000 in CDS and other derivatives flooding the world markets
Our Fed is allowing a QE of one trillion a month to occur out of sight to keep our TBTF banks alive — and nations are dumping our bonds as fast as possible,
China is about to start a world currency backed by gold
and Russia, China and the Saudis are working together to destroy the petrodollar.
When America falls and that is just ahead — the world will be far beyond dangerous. You claim to be in England, they also are set to crash and burn to the ground — and you —- how do you escape what is coming?? — you can not!
Galatians 5
1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.
3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.
4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
5 For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.
6 For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.
Galatians 4
9 But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?
10 Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years.
11 I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain.
Colossians 2
14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross.
15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
Romans 14
5 One person esteems one day as better than another, while another esteems all days alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind.
6 The one who observes the day, observes it in honor of the Lord. The one who eats, eats in honor of the Lord, since he gives thanks to God, while the one who abstains, abstains in honor of the Lord and gives thanks to God.
Galatians 2:21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
Galatians 3
10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
Paralambano
Do you understand Paul was the Apostle Christ sent to the Gentiles?? The gentiles never kept the Law or really even knew about it. but they were observing pagans days and pagan months and times and years.
Since I know it will never change one thought in your mind I will only address two scriptures although all can be proven to not at all say what you are “wanting” them to say.
10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
The works of the Law” is animal sacrifice, and those that continue to do so are “under the curse of the law” and that curse is DEATH. Sacrificing an animal can never remove sin or justify anyone.
YES if you transgress even one of the things written in the book of the Law, you are under the curse, which is the written order from God the Father sentencing you to death. YOU are “under” the sentence of death.
11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
Exactly!! under the old Covenant there were only physical promises for obeying the Law and death if you did not.
EVEN is you were able to keep and obey the whole LAW —IT NEVER promised justification.>>> never
But do not believe me read Leviticus 26.
Can you over come the logic within this paper??? I would love to see you attempt to do so.
The word of God stands on its own. You believe it, or you don’t. Dispute with God, if you have a problem with His word.
People, what you’ll see here, among many posts, as well as throughout this website and the web, is a huge tell of deceivers. They blabber a lot, which they must do, to try and tear down what are, actually, clear truths in the word of God. Whenever you see a little scripture and a lot of the vain, corrupt blabbering of men, to try and convince you the Bible doesn’t say or mean what it says, this is a deceiver, most often somebody under the delusion of some cult. They must do this corrupt editorializing, to add to or take away from the word of God, must ramble on from their own corrupt thoughts, this the only way to add their poison to the well of truth.
The word of God is clear, and it is all you need. “Let God be true, but every man a liar.”
Matthew 13
25 But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.
26 But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also.
27 So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?
28 He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?
29 But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.
30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.
Satan really has this one all wrapped up and claps his hands with glee with the victory he has achieved over this one very special Commandment that is not just about resting but defines who we worship.
James 2:10–12 states, “For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. 11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if you commit no adultery, yet if you kill, you are become a transgressor of the law.”
Every person that has ever lived will be judged by the grand moral code of the Ten Commandments. To break even one is to be guilty of sin. Scripture demonstrates how the Ten Commandments are like a chain of ten links and how when one link is broken, the whole chain is broken. Everyone standing in the judgment will have to meet the acid test of the Ten Commandments. If a practicing thief sought entrance into the kingdom, he would be rejected and why Paul says thieves will not inherit the heavenly city. The Bible also specifically declares that liars, adulterers, idolaters and covetous men will not be in the kingdom. Why? Because these are forbidden by the Ten Commandments that everyone will be finally judged by. Not one single person will be admitted into heaven who is wilfully (Hebrews 10:26-29) disobeying any one of the Ten Commandments because breaking anyone of the Ten Commandments is to break them all. We find a good example of this in Exodus 16:4-30 where we also see that the Sabbath existed before the giving of the law. Just like today, these non-Jews thought that God did not mean what He said when He said the Seventh day. So what was God’s response? He accused them of breaking everyone of His Commandments and laws.
There will always be those who will object that this is making works the basis of entering the kingdom. But that is not so. This makes love the qualifying factor. Jesus said that the greatest Commandment of all is to love God supremely. Quoting from the second of the Ten Commandments, Jesus said, “If you love me, keep my Commandments.” John 14:15. If we practice any known sin, then we are really confessing that we do not love God with all their heart, might and soul. And so it is the lack of love that shuts us out and not the act of disobedience that exposes that lack. It is only when love motivates the obedience that it becomes acceptable to God. Anything other than love is a vain attempt to earn salvation and to deny the efficacy of the atoning sacrifice of Jesus Christ.
If something as crucial as the Ten Commandments that define love and sin were to change, then God would have unmistakable scriptures saying so and we should also now realize that the Ten Commandments do not change based on assumptions. History reveals how the Sabbath was changed from Saturday to Sunday and we now know that the Sabbath was not changed to Sunday in the Bible, but is there any scriptures (there certainly would be several) that unmistakably state the Sabbath Commandment was abolished? If the answer is no, then it is just as much sin to not keep the Sabbath of the Lord thy God Holy as it is to worship idols or break any of the Commandments. The wise among us will also realize that Satan is responsible for both this change and those attacking this truth and with very good reason. So what should one do now?
Acts 5:29 “But Peter and the other apostles answered and said: “We ought to obey God rather than men.”
paralambano
You are correct the WORD does stand on its own!
PAR – How do you stand on this word:
Zechariah 14;
16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.
17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.
18 And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
This is obviously during the 1000 year reign of Jesus Christ and don’t you know it the Feast of Tabernacles is back!
ALL NATIONS — that come not up to keep the Feast of Tabernacles — you know that old Jewish stuff — if ALL nations do not come up, Christ is going send the plague to punish them — what Christ is going to put folks to death for not keeping the Feasts of GOD???
Oh the horror of it ???? I have been keeping the Feast of Tabernacle since 1969 and all the other 6 plus the Sabbath.
There is not enough room on BIN to list how I have been blessed of obeying GOD.
paralambano
I have noticed you did not or could not answer this comment concerning the prophet Zechariah.
To the unbiased reader of God’s Word, it becomes more than clear that the Ten Commandments are binding upon all men for all time in every place, whereas no man is bound to keep the Ceremonial Law, often referred to as the ordinances that were fulfilled in Christ. The Ceremonial Law with its sacrificial system pointed the people to the coming of Christ. Every time the blood of a beast was shed in the old Jewish temple, it was a dramatic reminder to the onlooker that One would come and die for his sin. Hence, John the Baptist pointed to our Lord and declared the significant words, “Behold the Lamb of God.” When He died on Calvary’s cross the veil of the great temple curtain was torn from top to bottom, to signify that the entire ceremonial system was forever finished. Matthew 27:50-51. No longer do the priests need offer up sacrifices. The One great and perfect Sacrifice was offered that Friday afternoon, when the true Passover Lamb bowed His head and died. When He cried out, “It is finished”, the old Ceremonial Law that pointed the people to His sacrificial death was nailed to the cross. But NOT so with the Ten Commandments. There was nothing temporary about them. They are to last as long as heaven and earth. Matthew 5:17-19
This is how Matthew 5:17-19 reads, “Do not think that I have come to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I have not come to destroy but to fulfill. For truly I say to you, Till the heaven and the earth pass away, not one jot or one tittle shall in any way pass from the Law until all is fulfilled. Therefore whoever shall relax one of these Commandments, the least, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least [by those] in the kingdom of Heaven. But whoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of Heaven.”
Jesus certainly did not have any intentions of making any change; in fact, Jesus condemned men who taught that it was acceptable to break God’s law, and commended those who taught the necessity of keeping it. This one passage alone is the absolute proof that the Sabbath was not abolished or the day changed and everything else has to be misunderstandings or intentional excuses to justify why we don’t need to obey one of God’s Commandments. Jesus said, “…Till the heaven and the earth pass away, not one jot or one tittle shall in any way pass from the Law…”
http://www.godssabbathtruth.com/sabbath-tencommandments.html
Peter R. Kraemer- Catholic Church Extension Society (1975), Chicago, Illinois. “Regarding the change from the observance of the Jewish Sabbath to the Christian Sunday, I wish to draw your attention to the facts:”1) That Protestants, who accept the Bible as the only rule of faith and religion, should by all means go back to the observance of the Sabbath. The fact that they do not, but on the contrary observe the Sunday, stultifies them in the eyes of every thinking man.”2) We Catholics do not accept the Bible as the only rule of faith. Besides the Bible we have the living Church, the authority of the Church, as a rule to guide us. We say, this Church, instituted by Christ to teach and guide man through life, has the right to change the ceremonial laws of the Old Testament and hence, we accept her change of the Sabbath to Sunday. We frankly say, yes, the Church made this change, made this law, as she made many other laws, for instance, the Friday abstinence, the unmarried priesthood, the laws concerning mixed marriages, the regulation of Catholic marriages and a thousand other laws. “It is always somewhat laughable, to see the Protestant churches, in pulpit and legislation, demand the observance of Sunday, of which there is nothing in their Bible.”
“The observance of Sunday by the Protestants is an homage they pay, in spite of themselves, to the authority of the [Catholic] church.” Monsignor Louis Segur, Plain Talk About the Protestantism of Today (1868), p. 213
“Reasoned and sense demand the acceptance of one or the other of these alternatives: either Protestantism and the keeping holy of Saturday Catholicism and the keeping holy of Sunday. Compromise is impossible. -James Cardinal Gibbons. Catholic mirror, December 23, 1893
“Perhaps the boldest thing, the most revolutionary change the Church ever did, happened in the first century. The holy day, the Sabbath, was changed from Saturday to Sunday. “The day of the Lord” was chosen, not from any direction noted in the Scriptures, but from the Church’s sense of its own power …. People who think that the Scriptures should be the sole authority, should logically become Seventh-day Adventists, and keep Saturday holy.” (Saint Catherine Church Sentinel, Algonac, Michigan, May 21, 1995.)
“Sunday is a Catholic institution and its claim to observance can be defended only on Catholic principles …. From beginning to end of Scripture there is not a single passage that warrants the transfer of weekly public worship from the last day of the week to the first.” (Catholic Press, Sydney, Australia, August, 1990.)
Question: How prove you that the church had power command feasts and holydays?
Answer: By the very fact of changing the Sabbath into Sunday, which Protestants allow of; and therefore they fondly contradict themselves by keeping Sunday strictly, and keep most other feasts commanded by the same church.
Question: Have any other way of proving that the church has power to institute festivals precept?
Answer: Had she not such power, she could not a done that in which all modern religionists agree with her;-she could not have substituted the observance of Sunday the first day of the way, for the observance of Saturday the seventh day of the week, a change for which there is no Scriptural authority. “-Stephen Keenan, a doctrinal catechism, p. 174
“It was the Catholic church by the authority of Jesus Christ, which has transferred this rest to Sunday in remembrance of the resurrection of our Lord. Therefore the observance of Sunday by the Protestants is an homage they pay, in spite of themselves, to the authority of the Catholic church.” – Mgr, Segur Plain Talk about Protestantism of today page 213
“If protestants would follow the Bible, they should worship God on the Sabbath Day. In keeping the Sunday they are following a law of the Catholic Church.” Albert Smith, chancellor of the Archdiocese of Baltimore, replying for the cardinal in a letter of Feb. 10, 1920.
Protestants do not realize that by observing Sunday, they accept the authority of the spokesperson of the Church, the Pope. -Our Sunday Visitor», 5 February 1950.)
Is Saturday the 7th day according to the Bible and the 10 Commandments?
I answer yes.
“2. Is Sunday the first day of the week and did the Church change the 7th day, Saturday, for Sunday, the 1st day?
“I answer yes.
Did Christ change the day?
“I answer no! Faithfully yours, “J. Cardinal Gibbons” Gibbons’ autograph letter.
“From this we may understand how great is the authority of the church in interpreting or explaining to us the commandments of God- an authority which is acknowledged by the universal practice of the whole Christian world, even of those sects profess to take the holy Scriptures as their sole rule of faith, since they observe as the day of rest not the seventh day of the week demanded by the Bible, but the first day. Which we know is to be kept holy, only from the tradition and teaching of the Catholic church.” – Henry Gibson “Catechism Made Easy” No 2 ninth edition volume one pp. 341, 342 Authoritative quotations on the Sabbath and Sunday.
“Reason and sense demand the acceptance of one or the other of these alternatives: either Protestantism and the keeping holy of Saturday Catholicism and the keeping holy of Sunday. Compromise is impossible. -James Cardinal Gibbons. Catholic mirror, December 23, 1893
“The Church changed the observance of the Sabbath to Sunday by right of the divine, infallible authority given to her by her Founder, Jesus Christ. The Protestant, claiming the Bible to be the only guide of faith, has no warrant for observing Sunday. -The Catholic Universe Bulletin, Aug. 14, 1942, p.4
No such law in the Bible “Nowhere in the bible do we find that Jesus or the apostles ordered that the Sabbath be changed from Saturday to Sunday. We have the commandment of God given to Moses to keep holy the Sabbath day, that is, the seventh day of the week, Saturday. Today, most Christians keep Sunday because it has been revealed to us by the [Roman] church outside the bible.” Catholic Virginian, Oct. 3, 1947
The two following quotes are from, Rome’s Challenge “Why do Protestants keep Sunday?”
“The Adventists are the only body of Christians with the Bible as their teacher, who could find no warrant in its pages for the change of day from the seventh to the first. Hence their appellation,” Seventh-day Adventists. “They’re cardinal principle consists in setting apart Saturday for the exclusive worship of God, in conformity with the positive command of God Himself, repeatedly reiterated in the sacred books of the Old and New testaments, literally kept by the children of Israel for thousands of years to this day, and endorsed by the teaching and practice of the Son of God while on earth.” -Rome’s Challenge, page two
“Is not yet too late for Protestants to redeem themselves. Will they do it?… will they indeed take the written word only, the Scripture alone, as their sole authority and their sole standard? Or will they still hold the indefensible, self contradictory, and suicidal doctrine and practice of following the authority of the Catholic church and wear the SIGN of her authority? Will they keep the Sabbath of the Lord, the seventh day, according to Scripture? Or will they keep the Sunday according to the tradition of the Catholic church, -Rome’s challenge, page 31
DENOMINATIONS slightly outside of Rome that ADMIT the Seventh Day Sabbath was NEVER changed by God…
Anglican: Nowhere commanded to keep the first day
“And where are we told in the Scriptures that we are to keep the first day at all? We are commanded to keep the seventh; but we are nowhere commanded to keep the first day. The reason why we keep the first of the week holy instead of the seventh is for the same reason that we observe many other things, – not because the Bible, but because the church, has enjoined [commanded] it.” Isaac Williams, Plain Sermons on the Catechism, Vol. 1, pp 334, 336.
Anglican/Episcopal: The Catholics changed it “We have made the change from the seventh day to the first day, from Saturday to Sunday, on the authority of the one holy, Catholic, Apostolic Church of Christ.” Episcopalian Bishop Symour, Why we keep Sunday.
Baptist: Sunday Sabbath not in the scriptures “There was and is a commandment to keep holy the Sabbath day, but that Sabbath day was not on Sunday. It will be said, however, and with some show of truimph, that the Sabbath was transferred from the Seventh to the First day of the week, with all its duties, privileges and sanctions. Earnestly desiring information on this subject, which I have studied for many years, I ask, where can the record of such a transaction be found? Not in the New Testament – absolutely not. There is no scriptural evidence of the change of the Sabbath institution from the Seventh to the First day of the week… “I wish to say that this Sabbath question, in this aspect of it, is the gravest and most perlexing question connected with Christian institutions which at present claims attention from Christian people; and the only reason that it is not a more disturbing element in Christian thought and in religious discussion is because the Christian world has settled down content on the conviction that some how a transference has taken place at the beginning of Christian history. “To me it seems unaccountable that Jesus, during three years’ discussion with His disciples, often conversing with them upon the Sabbath question, discussing it in some of its various aspects, freeing it from its false glosses [of Jewish traditions], never alluded to any transference of the day; also, that during forty days of His resurrection life, no such thing was intimated. Nor, so far as we know, did the Spirit, which was given to bring to their remembrance all things whatsoever that He had said unto them, deal with this question. Nor yet did the inspired apostles, in preaching the gospel, founding churches, counseling and instruction those founded, discuss or approach the subject.
“Of course, I quite well know that Sunday did come into use in early Christian history as a religious day, as we learn from the Christian Fathers and other sources. But what a pity that it comes branded with the mark of paganism, and christened with the name of a sun god, when adopted and sanctioned by the papal apostasy, and bequeathed as a sacred legacy to protestantism!” Dr. Edward Hiscox, author of The Baptist Manual. From a photostatic copy of a notarized statement by Dr. Hiscox.
“There was never any formal or authoritative change from the Jewish seventh day Sabbath to the Christian first day observance” William Owen Carver, The Lord’s Day in One Day p.49
CHURCH OF CHRIST: “Finally, we have the testimony of Christ on this subject. In Mark 2:27, he says: ‘The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath.’ From this passage it is evident that the Sabbath was made not merely for the Israelites, as Paley and Hengstenberg would have us believe, but for ….. that is, for the race. Hence we conclude that the Sabbath was sanctified from the beginning, and that it was given to Adam, even in Eden, as one of those primeval institutions that God ordained for the happiness of all men. “-Robert Milligan, Schetne of Redempiten, (St. Louis, The Fethany Press, 1962), p.165.
Church of England: No warrant from scripture for the change of the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday “Neither did he (Jesus), or his disciples, ordain another Sabbath in the place of this, as if they had intended only to shift the day; and to transfer this honor to some other time. Their doctrine and their practise are directly contrary, to so new a fancy. It is true, that in some tract of time, the Church in honor of his resurrection, did set apart that day on the which he rose, to holy exercises: but this upon their own authority, and without warrant from above, that we can hear of; more then the generall warrant which God gave his Church, that all things in it be done decently, and in comely order.” Dr. Peter Heylyn of the Church of England, quoted in History of the Sabbath, Pt 2, Ch.2, p7
Congregationalist: The Christian Sabbath’ [Sunday] is not in the Scripture
“The Christian Sabbath’ [Sunday] is not in the Scripture, and was not by the primitive [early Christian] church called the Sabbath.” Timothy Dwight, Theology, sermon 107, 1818 ed., Vol. IV, p49 [Dwight (1752-1817) was president of Yale University from 1795-1817].
Dr. R. W. Dale- The Ten Commandments ” . . . it is quite clear that however rigidly or devotedly we may spend Sunday, we are not keeping the Sabbath – - . . the Sabbath was founded on a specific Divine command. We can plead no such command for the obligation to observe Sunday …. There is not a single sentence in the New Testament to suggest that we incur any penalty by violating the supposed sanctity of Sunday.”
Disciples of Christ: It is all old wives’ fables to talk of the ‘change of the sabbath’
“If it [the Ten Commandments] yet exist, let us observe it… And if it does not exist, let us abandon a mock observance of another day for it. ‘But,’ say some, ‘it was changed from the seventh to the first day.’ Where? when? and by whom? – No, it never was changed, nor could it be, unless creation was to be gone through again: for the reason assigned [in Genesis 2:1-3] must be changed before the observance or respect to the reason, can be changed. It is all old wives’ fables to talk of the ‘change of the sabbath’ from the seventh to the first day. If it be changed, it was that august personage changed it who changes times and laws ex officio, – I think his name is “Doctor Antichrist.’” Alexander Campbell, The Christian Baptist, February 2, 1824, vol 1, no. 7
Episcopal: Bible commandment says the seventh day “The Bible commandment says on the seventh-day thou shalt rest. That is Saturday. Nowhere in the Bible is it laid down that worship should be done on Sunday.” Phillip Carrington, quoted in Toronto Daily Star, Oct 26, 1949 [Carrington (1892-), Anglican archbishop of Quebec, spoke the avove in a message on this subject delivered to a packed assembly of clergymen. It was widely reported at the time in the news media].
Lutheran: They err in teaching Sunday Sabbath But they err in teaching that Sunday has taken the place of the Old Testament Sabbath and therefore must be kept as the seventh day had to be kept by the children of Israel…..These churches err in their teaching, for scripture has in no way ordained the first day of the week in place of the Sabbath. There is simply no law in the New Testament to that effect” John Theodore Mueller, Sabbath or Sunday, pp.15, 16
“We have seen how gradually the impression of the Jewish Sabbath faded from the mind of the Christian church, and how completely the newer thought underlying the observance of the first day took possession of the church. We have seen that the Christian of the first three centuries never confused one with the other, but for a time celebrated both.”
The Sunday Problem, a study book by the Lutheran Church (1923) p.36
“They [Roman Catholics] allege the change of the Sabbath into the Lord’s day, as it seemeth, to the Decalogue [the ten commandments]; and they have no example more in their mouths than they change of the Sabbath. They will needs have the Church’s power to be very great, because it hath dispensed with the precept of the Decalogue.”
The Augsburg Confession, 1530 A.D. (Lutheran), part 2, art 7, in Philip Schaff, the Creeds of Christiandom, 4th Edition, vol 3, p. 64 [this important statement was made by the Lutherans and written by Melanchthon, only thirteen years after Luther nailed his theses to the door and began the Reformation].
“They [Roman Catholics] refer to the Sabbath Day, as having been changed into the Lord’s Day, contrary to the Decalogue, as it seems. Neither is there any example whereof they make more than concerning the changing of the Sabbath Day. Great, say they, is the power of the Church, since it has dispensed with one of the Ten commandments!”
Augsburg Confession of Faith,art. 28; written by Melanchthon and approved by Martin Luther, 1530; as published in The Book of Concord of the Evangelical Lutheran Church Henry Jacobs, editor (1911), p.63
Lutheran- Dr. Augustus Neander, The History of the Christian Religion and Church (1843)”The festival of Sunday, like all other festivals, was always only a human ordinance, and it was far from the intentions of the apostles to establish a Divine command in this respect, far from them, and from the early apostolic Church, to transfer the laws of the Sabbath to Sunday.”
John Theodore Mueller (a Lutheran) – Sabbath or Sunday- “But they err in teaching that Sunday has taken the place of the Old Testament Sabbath and therefore must be kept as the seventh day had to be kept by the children of Israel …. These churches err in their teaching, for Scripture has in no way ordained the first day of the week in place of the Sabbath. There is simply no law in the New Testament to that effect.”
Methodist: Jesus did not abolish the moral law – no command to keep holy the first day
The moral law contained in the Ten Commandments, and enforced by the prophets, He Jesus did not take away. It was not the design of His coming to revoke any part of this. This is a law which can never be broken…Every part of this law must remain in force upon all mankind and in all ages; as not depending either on time or place, or any other circumstances liable to change, but on the nature of man, and their unchangeable relation to each other.” John Wesley, Sermons on Several Occasions, Vol.1, No. 25
“It is true that there is no positive command for infant baptism. Nor is there any for keeping holy the first day of the week. Many believe that Christ changed the Sabbath. But, from His own words, we see that He came for no such purpose. Those who believe that Jesus changed the Sabbath base it only on a supposition.” Amos Binney, Theological Compendium, 1902 edition, pp 180-181, 171 [Binney (1802-1878), Methodist minister and presiding elder, whose Compendium was published for forty years in many languages, also wrote a Methodist New Testament Commentary].
“Take the matter of sunday. There are indications in the new testament as to how the church came to keep the first day of the week as its day of worship, but there is no passage telling Christians to keep that day or to transfer the Jewish Sabbath to that day.”- Harris Franklin Rall, Christian Advocate July 2, 1942 pg. 26
Clovis G. Chappell- Ten Rules For Living- ‘The reason we observe the first day instead of the seventh is based on no positive command. One will search the Scriptures in vain for authority for changing from the seventh day to the first.”
John Wesley- The Works of the Rev. John Wesley “But, the moral law contained in the ten commandments, and enforced by the prophets, he [Christ] did not take away. It was not the design of his coming to revoke any part of this. This is a law which never can be broken …. Every part of this law must remain in force upon all mankind, and in all ages; as not depending either on time or place, or any other circumstances liable to change, but on the nature of God and the nature of man, and their unchangeable relation to each other.” (Wesley was a Methodist)
“The Sabbath instituted in the beginning and confirmed again and again by Moses and the Prophets, has never been abrogated. A part of the moral law, not a part or tittle of its sanctity has been taken away.”- New York Herald 1874, on the Methodist Episcopal Bishops Pastoral 1874.
Moody Bible Institute: “Sabbath was before Sinai”
“I honestly believe that this commandment [the Sabbath commandment] is just as binding today as it ever was. I have talked with men who have said that it has been abrogated [abolilshed], but they have never been able to point to any place in the Bible where God repealed it. When Christ was on earth, He did nothing to set it aside; He freed it from the traces under which the scribes and Pharisees had put it, and gave it its true place. ‘The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath’ [mark 2:27]. It is just as practicable and as necessary for men today as it ever was – in fact, more than ever, because we live in such an intense age. (Moody was also a Methodist)
“The [Seventh-day] Sabbath was binding in Eden, and it has been in force ever since. This Fourth Commandment [Exodus 20:8-11] begins with the word ‘remember,’ showing that the Sabbath had already existed when God wrote the law on the tables of stone at Sinai. How can men claim that this one commandment has been done away with when they admit that the other nine are still binding? Dwight.L. Moody, Weighed and Wanting, 1898, pp.46-47 [D.L. Moody, (1837-1899) was the most famous evangelist of his time, and founder of the Moody Bible Institute].
“This Fourth is not a commandment for one place, or one time, but for all places and times.”
D.L. Moody, at San Francisco, Jan. 1st, 1881.
Presbyterian: Sunday kept the Gentiles happy
“Sunday being the first day of which the Gentiles solemnly adored that planet and called it Sunday, partly from its influence on that day especially, and partly in respect to its divine body (as they conceived it) the Christians thought fit to keep the same day and the same name of it, that they might not appear carelessly peevish, and by that means hinder the conversion of the Gentiles, and bring a greater prejudice that might be otherwise taken against the gospel” T.M. Morer, Dialogues on the Lord’s Day
“Until, therefore, it can be shown that the whole moral law has been repealed, the Sabbath will stand. … The teaching of Christ confirms the perpetuity of the Sabbath.”-T. C. Blake, D.D., Theology Condensed, pp. 474,475.
And he shall speak great words against the most High, …and think to change times and laws:” Daniel 7:25
“The authority of the church could therefore not be bound to the authority of the Scriptures, because the Church had changed the Sabbath into Sunday, not by command of Christ, but by its own authority.” Canon and Tradition, p. 263
“Is not every Christian obliged to sanctify Sunday and to abstain on that day from unnecessary servile work? Is not the observance of this law among the most prominent of our sacred duties? But you may read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation, and you will not find a single line authorizing the sanctification of Sunday. The Scriptures enforce the religious observance of Saturday, a day which we never sanctify.” -James Cardinal Gibbons, The Faith of Our Fathers (1917 ed.), pp. 72, 73.
“The Catholic church,” declared Cardinal Gibbons, “by virtue of her divine mission changed the day from Saturday to Sunday.” Catholic Mirror Sept. 23 1983. (Official organ of Cardinal Gibbons)
Question – Which is the Sabbath day?
Answer – Saturday is the Sabbath day.
Question – Why do we observe Sunday instead of Saturday?
Answer – We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church, in the Council of Laodicea (A.D. 364), transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday.” The Convert’s Catechism of Catholic Doctrine, p. 50, 3rd ed.
“The Bible says, Remember that thou keep holy the Sabbath day. The Catholic church says, No! By my divine power I abolish the Sabbath day, and command you to keep the first day of the week. And lo, the entire civilized world bows down in reverent obedience to the command of the holy Catholic church!” Father Enright, C.S.S.R. of the Redemptoral College, Kansas City, History of the Sabbath, p. 802
“Perhaps the boldest thing, the most revolutionary change the Church ever did, happened in the first century. The holy day, the Sabbath, was changed from Saturday to Sunday. “The day of the Lord” was chosen, not from any direction noted in the Scriptures, but from the Church’s sense of its own power …. People who think that the Scriptures should be the sole authority, should logically become Seventh-day Adventists, and keep Saturday holy.” (Saint Catherine Church Sentinel, Algonac, Michigan, May 21, 1995.)
“Sunday is a Catholic institution and its claim to observance can be defended only on Catholic principles …. From beginning to end of Scripture there is not a single passage that warrants the transfer of weekly public worship from the last day of the week to the first.” (Catholic Press, Sydney, Australia, August, 1990.)
The Almighty says in the Old Testament…
Exodus 20:8-11, “Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.”
What is the mark of the Beast ? Is it A sign in your hand and between your eyes ? Is there an opposite mark for followers of the Almighty ? I think so ! This is the mark of the Beast “”Of course the Catholic Church claims that the change (Saturday Sabbath to Sunday) was her act… And the act is a MARK of her ecclesiastical authority in religious things.” H.F. Thomas, Chancellor of Cardinal Gibbons. Nov. 11, 1895
“Sunday is our MARK or authority. . .the church is above the Bible, and this transference of Sabbath observance is proof of that fact” Catholic Record of London, Ontario Sept 1,1923. Passover is the sign of our Father to be kept forever. ( Not the Heathen/Pagan holiday of Easter ) 4 This day came ye out in the month Abib.
5 And it shall be when the Lord shall bring thee into the land of the Canaanites, and the Hittites, and the Amorites, and the Hivites, and the Jebusites, which he sware unto thy fathers to give thee, a land flowing with milk and honey, that thou shalt keep this service in this month.
6 Seven days thou shalt eat unleavened bread, and in the seventh day shall be a feast to the Lord.
7 Unleavened bread shall be eaten seven days; and there shall no leavened bread be seen with thee, neither shall there be leaven seen with thee in all thy quarters.
8 And thou shalt shew thy son in that day, saying, This is done because of that which the Lord did unto me when I came forth out of Egypt.
9 And it shall be for a sign unto thee upon thine hand, and for a memorial between thine eyes, that the Lord’s law may be in thy mouth: for with a strong hand hath the Lord brought thee out of Egypt.
10 Thou shalt therefore keep this ordinance in his season from year to year. Seek the Truth and Test everything The Sabbaths are very very important. Look at the Jews of times past, how not observing the Sabbath worked out for them.
Truthseeker- To each his own ! I’m sorry to see that you will be observing two different calendars. P.S. The “New Moon” is from Genisis with instructions to observe. 14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: Notice it does not mention “weeks”. After the new moon count your days. The full moon coincided with Sabbath as a sign.
turthy1
The Calendar I follow begins on the first day of Nisan, which is the sacred year and the calendar of Salvation.
The civil calendar begins on the first day of Tishri which is the Feast of Trumpets and is the calendar for judgment/punishment.
A trumpet blast is used as a call to war.
And the Gregorian calendar has the Pagan days of the week ! ( like Saturnday ) It is a repeating Ritual and not divine guidance from the signs. That is my point. We are not told to repeat a seven day cycle We are told Sabbath to Sabbath is no more than seven days according to the signs. The modern world forces us to conform to their time line and to disregard any other method. You are leaving something out with your explanation of the reason for the Trumpet blast…The second reference to months and their timing is Psalm 104:19: “He appointed the moon for seasons.” The third reference is also in Psalm 81:3: “Blow up the trumpet in the new moon, in the time appointed, on our solemn feast day.” Here the only feast that begins on the first day of a month (Ethanim) is mentioned – Trumpets. Other “chodesh” verses abound in the Bible (over 200 of them), all meaning “new moon.” We have been conditioned to follow “mans” time keeping instead of the Divine ! http://www.yrm.org/abccalendar.htm
Truthy1
When I keep the Feast of Unleavened Bread on the 15th Day of Nisan there is a full moon.
When I keep the Feast of Trumpets on the First day of Tishri there is a New moon
when I keep the Feast of Tabernacles on the 15th day of Tishri there is a full moon.
I keep the Last Great Day on the 22nd of Tishri it is called the 8th Day of the Feast, That Great Day.
I use the pagan calendar for business and God’s Calendar for worship.
God has not left HIS people in confusion.
The word for Feast is “Seasons”, The Feasts of God are “signs”
“In this we find, what is most natural, that the same Being who created, rested. He who worked six days in creating the earth, rested on the seventh, and blessed and sanctified it. But we have already learned that God the Father created the worlds by His Son Jesus Christ, and that Christ created everything that has an existence. Therefore the conclusion is inevitable that Christ rested on that first seventh day, at the close of the six days of creation, and that He blessed and sanctified it. Thus the seventh day–the Sabbath–is most emphatically the Lord’s day. When Jesus said to the carping Pharisees, “For the Son of man is Lord even of the Sabbath-day” (Matt. 12:8), He declared his lordship of the identical day which they so scrupulously observed in form; and He did this in words which show that He regarded it as His badge of authority, as demonstrating the fact that He was greater than the temple. Thus, the seventh day is the Divinely-appointed memorial of creation. It is the most honored of all days, since its especial mission is to bring to mind the creative power of God, which is the one proof to man of His Divinity And so when Christ said that the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath-day, He claimed a high distinction–nothing less than being the Creator, of whose divinity that day stands as a memorial. p. 32, Para. 1, -Christ and His righteousness.”
Some say the Sabbath was only for the Jews and that there is no record of the Sabbath being kept before the giving of the Ten Commandments in Exodus 20. Yet we find in Exodus 16 that God tested Israel (these were not Jews) if they would keep His Sabbath and more specifically, on the Seventh day. When they didn’t, God accused them of breaking all His Commandments and laws. What Commandments and laws if there is no mention of them been given yet? How could they be breaking the Sabbath and every other Commandment if they had not been given? Clearly they had been but not yet codified. There may be no written Bible record of them been given before Exodus 20 but the evidence is there that they certainly knew them and were keeping them. In Genesis 4:3-7, Cain brings an offering from the ground which represented righteousness by works and so God was angry with him but Abel brought the firstborn of his flock as a sin offering which represents righteousness by faith. You cannot have a sin offering unless there is a law. In verse 7, God says to Cain that sin is lying at the door. It is not possible for sin to exist where there is no law. Romans 4:15 teaches, “for where no law is, there is no transgression.” We are also told, “Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.” 1 John 3:4. And this principle is amplified further by Paul’s statement in Romans 7:7 which says “I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.” So the Commandments although not yet codified had to exist since creation or Cain could not have been guilty of murder. And what about Abraham? If there were no Commandments or laws given before Exodus 20, or in the book of Genesis, then what exactly is that God says Abraham was keeping when He says he kept His Commandments, statutes and laws? Genesis 26:5 “Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.” Joseph also revealed that he was aware of that same law. He said to Potiphar’s wife, “how then can I do this great wickedness, and SIN against God.” Genesis 39:9. Joseph knew that adultery was sin. The Commandments may not yet have been codified but they had certainly been given and were obviously been kept. Don’t let anyone try to tell you otherwise!
Did you know there are more than one hundred languages in the world where Saturday is still called the Sabbath day just as God named it at creation? This can be traced all the way back to the tower of Babel in Genesis 11 where Saturday was understood to be the Sabbath day and so was incorporated into the very name of the day.
http://www.whatdayisthesabbath.com/
amminadab
are you aware of this verse concerning Abraham??
Genesis 26
5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.
God changes not — these are the same commandments and statutes.
I my opinion, God did not directly state that any in the book of the Law, the History of His People, kept the Sabbath. The Bible was not written to be understood by the natural human mind.
Witness what Christ said to the 12, to you it is given, to them no!
The following facts prove the Sabbath does remain a physically rest and that the excuse Jesus is our Sabbath rest is just one more fallacy from our adversary.
1. The Greek word for “rest” (sabbatismos) in Hebrews 4:9 unquestionably refers to a physical rest and a literal “Sabbath keeping” or “Sabbath observance.”
2. It was more than 30 years after the cross that Luke wrote that when the body of Christ was being prepared, “they rested the Sabbath day according to the Commandment.” (Luke 23:56) The New Covenant was sealed by the blood of Jesus on Friday night when He died on the cross, and yet Luke says they were still physically keeping the Sabbath according to the Commandment and after the New Covenant had begun. Any lawyer and the Word will tell you that it cannot be changed after the death of a testator. This one alone kills this appalling excuse!
3. Isaiah 66:22-23 says we still physically keep the Sabbath in the New Heaven and Earth.
4. Jesus words show that everyone would still be physically keeping the Sabbath at 70 A.D. (Matthew 24:20)
5. The Sabbath cannot be a spiritual rest if one had to worry about physically fleeing on this day.
6. Our Creator knew man needs a physical rest at least one day a week and Jesus as our Lord does not change that requirement.
7. God and His law changes not. Hebrews 13:8, Psalms 111:7-8, Luke 16:17.
now i know why i was so bored in church.
SABBATH is surely for those who refuse to cease-from-their-own-works, who refuse to deny expressing THEMSELVES_please REST, PLEASE STOP.
pierced
are you a follower of catholic doctrine??? Follow any one and you are catholic
The universe has never stopped in creation- it is still being created at this very moment. Even the opening lines of the hebrew written book is a joke.
Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath Day, and hallowed it.:
God instituted the Sabbath to Israel as a weekly reminder of two things. First is that all true blessing comes from His grace, not their labor. Secondly, that they should hallow him and honor Him and keep the day holy so to seek the fullness of His blessing by there giving our special attention to Him on the 7th day of each week. Remember the Law, i.e., the Ten Commandments and everything in Deuteronomy was given unto Isreal not unto the world at large like Jesus’ crucifixion was.
Deuteronomy 5 explains why the Israelites were to keep the Sabbath holy: Verse 15:
“You shall remember that you were a servant in the land of Egypt, and the Lord your God brought you out thence with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm; therefore the Lord your God commanded you to keep the Sabbath day.” Christians were not carried out of Egypt so this reason does not apply to those under the Blood and not under the Law. So I am not convinced that this injunction against laboring on the Sabbath holds for Christians. And it would be a good thing if we were not for Christians have not observed the Sabbath since the beginning of the church almost. The Sabbath commandment does not require worship, it prohibits work. Worship can occur on any day. And the Sabbath’s constraint against work is directed to the Jews, not Christians.
The early church did observe the Sabbath but the apostles had a meeting to decide which of the Jewish laws apply to non-Jewish Christians. Their decision is recorded in Acts 15:24-29. If you read it carefully, there is nothing in there about the Sabbath. Any modern Jewish rabbi would agree—the Sabbath law only applies to Jews. If you want to keep the Sabbath holy, you can but since Jesus rose from the grave on Sunday, that is the best day to celebrate it in worship.
Rexx
That Sunday worship is of catholic origins.
Matthew 12:
39 “And there shall — NO– sign be given to it but the sign of the prophet Jonas,”
40 “For as Jonas was 3 days and 3 nights in the whale’s belly; so shall the Son of Man -BE- 3 days and 3 nights in the heart of the earth.”
The words –3 days and 3 nights — are spoken twice by Christ and He is quoting from the book of Jonah.
The whole Christian world labels Jesus Christ a liar! ——One day and two nights, Friday night from 6 PM until Sunday morning before 6 AM — 36 hours is close enough for the majority of so called Christians. When the Christian world makes the statement that Christ was buried on a late Friday afternoon and was raised from the grave on a Sunday morning before sunrise – they – those claiming to be Christians are proclaiming to the entirety of the world that Jesus Christ of Nazareth is a liar!
Read closely:
Christ was placed in the tomb at sundown which began Night one, the next sunrise began Day one; the next sundown began Night two, the next sunrise began Day two; the third sundown began Night three (3); the third sunrise began DAY THREE (3); at the end of the THIRD period of daylight moments before sundown Jesus Christ was resurrected. Christ was resurrected on the third day, a Sabbath day.
Christ emphatically states there are 12 hours in a day, Christ said the only sign given that HE is the Messiah will be; He will be three periods of light and three periods of nights or darkness in the grave in the heart of the earth. Sunrise to sunset is the period of light. Sunset to sunrise is the period of darkness.
Placed in the tomb at sundown as our Wednesday night began.
1-Thursday, 12 hour day;
2- Friday, 12 hour day;
3- Saturday i.e. the Sabbath, 12 hour Day. The Sabbath is the Third 12 hour day.
Yes — there were no clocks –our 9AM is their 3rd hour, noon is the 6th hour, our 3 PM is the 9th hour and 6PM is the 12th hour.
And yes there were also 3 nights; Thursday night, Friday night and Saturday night. Remember God counts days from sundown to sundown.
Here are the 3 days and 3 nights laid out according to our current calendar.
On Wednesday from about noon Christ hung of the stake and died about 3 PM and was sealed in the tomb just as the sun set on Wednesday.
Christ was in the tomb that Wednesday at sundown
Wednesday night: night 1
Thursday day: day 1
Thursday night night 2
Friday day day 2
Friday night night 3
Saturday DAY day 3
Christ was resurrected on the third DAY moments before sunset on the SABBATH. He was in the tomb for 3 days and 3 nights.
Rexx when the Sabbath was made there were no Jews on earth only one man and one woman.
The 12 tribes of Israel are Hebrews and only one tribe is Jewish the tribe of JU dah: Judah.
Christ stated the Sabbath was made for man and not the man for the Sabbath. It ain’t Jewish.
Truthseeker they are blind.
Romans 1:28
Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done.
1 Thessalonians 2:3
For the appeal we make does not spring from error or impure motives, nor are we trying to trick you.
2 Timothy 4:4
They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.
2 Thessalonians 2:11
And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
ammiinadab
The god of this world has effectively blinded the entire world to believe lies. and it is soon to get a lot worse.
I will let you in on a little secret; I do not expect any to read and understand what is written in my papers — I hope some will gain some understand and think a little deeper, but that is totally up to my Father. I do this to gain the ability to explain the Word of God as clearly as I can.
Answering the comments is like a great college course in speaking and writing forcing me to improve comprehension of the point I am trying to get across.
In my first year in a large university in a freshmen class of around 9000 I was 2nd from the bottom on my English tests. I had a great time for 2 years. LOL
Satan has changed the calendar. Neither Saturday or Sunday are the true Sabbath.(always) The first day of the month changes every month with the full moon coming on the 14th /15th day. http://www.sacredcalendar.info/Month.html The Messiah was risen from the grave on a Saturday afternoon three days exactly from the Crucifixion on Wednesday afternoon. ( Jonah’s Sign ) http://rcg.org/books/crwnos.html There is proof of “Jesus/Yeshua in the Bible and the Talmud and the Torah and many other documents,accounts by “EYEWITNESSES” https://www.christiancourier.com/articles/1357-jewish-talmud-and-the-death-of-christ-the http://davidduke.com/what-the-talmud-really-says-about-jesus/ What is it about the design characteristics of Religious buildings and what does it all really mean ? You will be very surprised by thknowledge hidden from the “masses”. http://askelm.com/doctrine/d980927.htm
truthy1
I have kept the Sabbath since 1968, I care not at all when the first day of the month occurs.
I count 1,2,3,4,5,6,7 then I start again!!!
If God would allow anyone to hide the Sabbath He would be forcing us to sin — Do you really believe God would force us to sin??
On another note; your account of the death and Resurrection on the Sabbath Day is exactly right.
No Our Father does not force us to sin. It is the Ignorant who are the sinners unless they have already made a choice to serve Satan and disregard the word. http://biblehub.com/proverbs/25-2.htm King James Bible
It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter.
Future observance of the new moon is supported by New Testament writings and Prophesies. http://www.bibleresearch.org/observancebook5/b5w16.html It is The Sacred Calendar to be observed by all followers.
Ezek 46:1 Thus says the Lord GOD: “The gateway of the
inner court that faces toward the east shall
be shut the six working days; but on the Sabbath
it shall be opened, and on the day of the New Moon
it shall be opened.
:3 Likewise the people of the land shall worship at
the entrance to this gateway before the LORD
on Sabbaths and New Moons.
You cannot calculate The Feasts of Our Father without using the “New Moon” The days of the month are calculated not the days of the week !
– first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread (15th, 1st month)
– last day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread (21st, 1st month)
– Feast of Weeks (variable date 4-10th, 3rd month)
– Day of Trumpets (1st, 7th month)
– Day of Atonement (10th, 7th month)
– first day of Feast of Tabernacles (15th, 7th month)
– Eighth Day (22nd, 7th month). ]
It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter.
truthy1
I keep them all but not the new moon, the new moon is a minor holy day being the first day of a month. The new moon will be observed after Christ returns. When the Temple is restored during the 1000 years even the two daily sacrifices will be restored.
The physical people will need the “schoolmaster” once more.
Truthseeker thank you for posting this article and for backing it with scripture. It should be apparent to anyone willing to research the facts, that Jesus kept the true Sabbath which is detailed in Genesis as the 7th day, Saturday. Anyone wishing to prove the true Sabbath can research any number of articles and views on the internet by typing Sabbath into their search engine. One might also search the Council of Nicea 325 AD for Constantine’s decree changing Saturday to Sunday to coincide with the pagan sun worship ceremonies. As to the law being done away with, Jesus said in Matthew 5:17 “I have not to come to do away with the law, but to fulfill it”.
It’s all moot anyway as Sunday is practically recognized by EVERYONE not with OT OCD as on the
WEEKEND.
I Hate Mondays etc
you are arguing between Saturn and the Sun. Saturn is mythically the evil one.
Romans changing the day of worship from the evil Saturns day to the good Sunday isnt so strange. If Sunday was then the day of rest then monday as the first day of work would then be the start of the week.
Damnle
As sunday is, in fact, practically recognized by the 4000 flavors of so called christianity —
that fact alone is proof they are not of GOD, but are catholic daughters.
By the calendar of God the days of the week are named 1; 2; 3; 4; 5; 6; and the Sabbath.
You are correct the current names are all pagan in origin
The point is the issue is withe the WORKWEEK (6 days) and the SABBATH (1 day).
So who made the 2 day WEEKEND (Americans made 2 days of rest or Jews I think)?
AND WHAT OR WHO HAS BEEN TRYING TO TELL YOU THAT SATURNS DAY RATHER THAN SUNS DAY IS THE TRUE END OF THE WEEK?
IT ISNT.
AND YOU ALL REALLY KNOW THAT IT ISNT AND YET TREAT THAT DAY OF REST AS THE START OF THE WORKWEEK
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/letters/6495398/Officially-Sunday-is-not-the-first-day-of-the-week.html
The Telegraph
Officially, Sunday is not the first day of the week
The international standard makes the week begin on Monday.
Damnle
I have not confirmed this as yet but was told by a source I trust that under the EU regulations such as CE, ISO 9000, ISO 2000 etc their calendar is being changed to show Sunday as the 7th Day of the week.
That is what you are says as well, If Monday is the first day then Sunday is the 7th.
Europe will follow Rome.
Christians would hardly celebrate Christ being in Hell though would they? That’s where he was on the Saturns day following the crucifixion. He rose again on the third day – Sunshine day.
Damnlee
that is the catholic party line and it as are all things catholic — just another lie — all of it.
The Sabbath is the LORD’s Day, the day Christ made by resting on the 7th Day. The day He rose from the grave – the third day and that day was the Sabbath.
Here are the 3 days and 3 nights laid out according to our current calendar.
On Wednesday from about noon Christ hung of the stake and died about 3 PM and was sealed in the tomb just as the sun set on Wednesday.
Christ was in the tomb that Wednesday at sundown
Wednesday night: night 1
Thursday day: day 1
Thursday night night 2
Friday day day 2
Friday night night 3
Saturday DAY day 3
Christ was resurrected on the third DAY moments before sunset on the SABBATH. He was in the tomb for 3 days and 3 nights. which is the ONLY sign given that HE IS the SAVIOR.
Boy do the catholic hate that FACT!
Then why did the Roman soldiers start breaking the legs of those being crucified if not to not have them suffering and cursing on the Judean sabbath.
As for paganism the sabbath on Saturns day would make more sense from a pagan perspective
was seen as a god of generation, dissolution, plenty, wealth, agriculture, periodic renewal and liberation.
and Christs rising as a new beginning would better represented by the Suns dday as the beginning of a new week.
Similarly Christ would not have risen on the old sabbath but on the first day of a new work beginning.
It seems that later Christians just didnt want to have a sabbath with him in Hades.
That might make the most sense though now I think of it. Either way it is not pagan.
Because it is the OT and Pagan traditions and symbolism that seem to be agreeing with each other and the reformed Christian Sabbath that is different.
If the earlier Christian tradition was of Jesus resting and sleeping in his grave on the saturday then even God would have been resting on the sabbath. If they then thought that a day of worship of a God who was asleep was idiotic if poetic then they may have changed it to God working on the sabbath harrowing Hell and Changed the sabbath to Sunday and by doing so showing that they didnt fare about it being the suns day and symbolic as the suns day of a new beginning.
Damnle
The resurrection of Christ is not a new beginning but what was to come as planned from day one. The whole of God’s Word is about what has happened up to today and what is shortly coming.
the Bible points to the Resurrection of the Sons of GOD — that was the plan that is the reason for creation.
dammlee
Wednesday at sunset began a High Day Sabbath – not the 7th day Sabbath.
Passover is the preparation day for the Feast of Unleavened Bread. Christ died on Passover.
John 19:31 “Now it was the day of Preparation,—-. and so that the bodies would not remain on the cross on the Sabbath (for that Sabbath was a high day), the Jews asked … Read it for your self – please.
Passover is the 14th of Nisan and the Feast of Unleavened Bread is the 15th.
Our Thursday was the Day of the Feast, a Holy Convocation, then Friday then the Sabbath.
The women bought the spices on Friday and rested on the Sabbath.
That is very interesting and I will read about it but if there has been a confusion I think that is ALL it was – a pesky confusion and NOT ‘Typical Roman paganism’.
Truthseeker
Sorry Truthseeker. He WAS crucified on the ‘sabbath of passover week’ and NOT on the eve of passover week.
damnle
so Christ was 2 nights and one day in the grave???
Friday night, Saturday day and Saturday night
Sorry that does not match the only sign given of 3 days and 3 nights
Check out the definitions of a day and a night
Gen 1: 5 “And the light He called a day and the darkness He called the Night.
And Christ states there are 12 hours in a day: sunrise to sunset.
Believe as you please,
Truthseeker
People are keeping shtum about the explanation OBVIOUSLY.
But as they are ALL doing it you can be sure there is one.
“Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth.”
Taking any possible instance of three mania with a pinch of salt probably.
damnlee
IF 2 billion people that call themselves Christians believe and accept 2 nights and one day –which the majority do — I for certain will never join them.
The majority is what killed Christ — they all agreed.
If I were the only one in the world doing so – I would follow what I have proven over and over is true.
damnlee
please explain what these mean? I am having trouble understanding you from time to time.
shtum
Taking any possible instance of three mania with a pinch of salt probably.
In the third year of his third decade in the third year of the third decade as the 2nd person of three being crucified the 2nd person of the three in one caused three hours of darkness before, on the third day following his death, he was witnessed by three woman as haven risen again and risen to the third heaven
damnle
I have no idea where you got that — it ain’t in the Bible.
He was exactly 33 1/2 years old
He was cut off at midweek, the 4th day of a week
there is no trinity that is a catholic invention of the 4th century
3 women did not watch Christ rise
It was 40 days later that He rose in a cloud to the Throne of God
The Apostles watched HIM rise.
Damnle I am weary of this
Accordance to ya py chart~ cosmological scale, 5yrs, 2mnts, 4dys.
WOW, this got silly.
my thoughts on God are quite simple,
He’s a run away d@d
He talks the talk,
He walk the walk,
and like my post
He’s full of a TOILET FUNCTION.
Bacchus & Pix made some great points, 2nd and 3rd from the top, Iv’e not read the rest, I’ve got a life
or I just don’t care, and while children die of hunger in the world and God’s reps on earth dine in wealth and luxury without the big man putting his foot down BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH
Matthew 26:11 For ye have the poor always with you; but me ye have not always.
Mark 14:7
The poor you will always have with you, and you can help them any time you want. But you will not always have me.
John 12:8
You will always have the poor among you, but you will not always have me.”
GREAT NEWS for all of you that reject and hate the 7th Day Sabbath!!
The EU has heard your voices —Sunday is now the 7th Day. Regulation ISO 8601 confirms it.
Sunday is now your sabbath — and it coming to America soon thanks to our current administration, they are going to sign on to the all of the ISO rules. If we want to do business we must sign on.
the First day of the week is now Monday. And you can be sure Rome had nothing to do with it – – - – not much any way
People claim a lot of things about Jesus that are lies, like being part of a trinity or having died on a cross instead of a torture stake.
Some say he turned water into wine, or that he fed the masses with just 3 fish, but all we know is he’s called the Christ
I knew it!
The Stig is Jebus.
Praise the EU, you know not what you do.
The Bible says, Remember that thou keep holy the Sabbath day. The Catholic church says, No! By my divine power I abolish the Sabbath day, and command you to keep the first day of the week. And lo, the entire civilized world bows down in reverent obedience to the command of the holy Catholic church!” Father Enright, C.S.S.R. of the Redemptoral College, Kansas City, History of the Sabbath, p. 802
“Is not every Christian obliged to sanctify Sunday and to abstain on that day from unnecessary servile work? Is not the observance of this law among the most prominent of our sacred duties? But you may read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation, and you will not find a single line authorizing the sanctification of Sunday. The Scriptures enforce the religious observance of Saturday, a day which we never sanctify.” -James Cardinal Gibbons, The Faith of Our Fathers (1917 ed.), pp. 72, 73.
ROME MOCKS THE HEAVENLY KINGDOM:
“Not the Creator of Universe, in Genesis 2:1-3,-but the Catholic Church can claim the honor of having granted man a pause to his work every seven days.”-S. C. Mosna, Storia della Domenica, 1969, pp. 366-367.
“The Pope is of great authority and power that he can modify, explain, or interpret even divine laws… The Pope can modify divine law, since his power is not of man, but of God, and he acts as vicegerent of God upon earth.” -Lucius Ferraris, Prompta Ribliotheca, “Papa,” art. 2, translated.
“The Pope has the power to change times, to abrogate (CHANGE) laws, and to dispense with all things, even the precepts of Christ.” “The Pope has the authority and often exercised it, to dispense with the command of Christ.” Decretal, de Tranlatic Episcop. Cap. (The Pope can modify divine law.) Ferraris’ Ecclesiastical Dictionary
“This organization proposes in every possible way to aid in preserving Sunday as a civil institution. Our national security requires the active support of all good citizens in the maintenance of our American Sabbath. Sunday laws must be enforced.” -Quoted as “principles contained in the Constitution” of the original orginization (then called the American Sabbath Union), cited in The Lord’s Day Alliance, Twenty fifth Report (1913), p6.
So.. how does the beast plan to get this mark in the forehead or in the hand of his followers? First of all let’s look at how the Lord seals His children so that we can better see Satan’s counterfeit.
“And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea, Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.” Revelation 7:2,3
Did you notice that it says, the Almighty seals them in their foreheads? This is why Christians never remember being stamped, sealed, or marked by God when they become truly saved and begin to walk as He has written they will walk. When God sealed us “in” the forehead it was not a mark ON the forehead like a tattoo, and it certainly isn’t a computer chip under the skin either because I don’t recall God doing that to me years ago. In fact, I was saved by the Lord over 20 years ago before the “computer age” was so plainly upon us. Simple truth is, the forehead represents the mind here.
Isaiah 8:16, “Bind up the testimony, seal the law among my disciples.”
2 Timothy 2:19, “Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his…”
Hebrews 10:16 says, “This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;”
Scientific discovery has recently revealed that the frontal lobe of the cerebrum, which in laymen’s terms is called the forehead, is where functions like decisions, judgments, and free will are made. We are sealed by God when we make the free will decision to accept Jesus as our Savior and His Word as Truth. This then causes our lives to be affected by His doctrine, teachings, and most importantly, His COMMANDMENTS. [Also see 2Cor 3:3 & Heb 8:10 & Heb 10:16]
Now let’s look at how the beast administers his mark.
“And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads.” Revelation 13:16
In this verse we now see the mark of the beast is not only being received in the forehead, it’s in the hand as well. We already found the forehead represents the mind in prophecy. So this means the people with the mark of the beast in the forehead have made a free will decision thinking it was perfectly acceptable to replace God’s Law with man’s traditions. But, what of those that receive it in the hand? Truth is, much of mankind is not likely to “freely” go along with the beast’s plans. So, he has to rely on the use force instead. This is where the hand comes into play.
Jeremiah 38:23, “… thou shalt not escape out of their hand, but shalt be taken by the hand of the king of Babylon: and thou shalt cause this city to be burned with fire.”
Ecclesiastes 9:10, “Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest.”
In prophecy the hand represents being forced against our will as well as our ability to buy and sell, or “work” as Ecclesiastes 9:10 put it. As we all know, Jesus will never force Himself on us. He prefers we choose to worship Him of our own free will. (decision made in the MIND) In the revolt of Heaven, two thirds of Heaven made the right choice. However, one third made the sinful choice and fell along with Satan. (see Revelation 12:4) Even our first Parents had to deal with choice. Just as the forbidden fruit in Eden was a choice for them, the forbidden mark of the beast is a choice for us. BOTH choices have a “life or death” consequence, and both choices declare who we choose to obey. Daniel and the three worthies had this choice as did Mordecai and Esther. This is always the devil’s main mode of attack. Why would he choose a different method when all his past efforts worked so well?
Summing it up… If you receive the “mark” by choice, this means you’ve made the free will decision that the “Traditions of man” are acceptable over Scripture. Therefore you will be marked in the forehead. If you’re forced to receive the mark by not being able to buy or sell, or any other means of force that go against your free will, it will be that you’re one that is marked “in the right hand.”
When it comes to the mark of the beast; without realizing, the Catholic Church makes both a prophetic and blasphemous boast as well as an undeniable LINK by the following documented confessions.
“Of course the Catholic Church claims that the change (Saturday Sabbath to Sunday) was her act… And the act is a MARK of her ecclesiastical authority in religious things.” H.F. Thomas, Chancellor of Cardinal Gibbons.
“Sunday is our MARK of authority. . .the church is above the Bible, and this transference of Sabbath observance is proof of that fact” Catholic Record of London, Ontario Sept 1,1923.
Looking further into this description of the Beast, does this prophecy of Daniel see fulfillment in the Roman Catholic Church? Read the historically documented quotes of the Roman Catholic Church in regards to each aspect of Daniel’s description…
“he shall speak [great] words against the most High”
“The Pope is not only the representative of Jesus Christ, he is Jesus Christ himself, hidden under the veil of flesh.” Catholic National July 1895.
“We hold upon this earth the place of God Almighty” …Pope Leo XIII
“For thou art the shepherd, thou art the physician, thou art the director, thou art the husbandman, finally thou art another God on earth.” Labbe and Cossart’s “History of the Councils.” Vol. XIV, col. 109
The title “Lord God the Pope” is found within a gloss of Extravagantes of Pope John XXII, title 14, chapter 4,
Roman Catholic Canon Law stipulates through Pope Innocent III that the Roman pontiff is “the vicegerent upon earth, not a mere man, but of a very God;” and in a gloss on the passage it is explained that this is because he is the vicegerent of Christ, who is “very God and very man.” Decretales Domini Gregorii translatione Episcoporum, (on the transference of Bishops), title 7, chapter 3; Corpus Juris Canonice (2nd Leipzig ed., 1881), col. 99; (Paris, 1612), tom. 2, Devretales, col. 205
THE BEAST… “shall wear out the saints of the most High”
The rector of the Catholic Institute of Paris, H.M.A. Baudrillart, revealed the attitude of the church and her leaders toward persecution. “When confronted with heresy,” he said, “she does not content herself with persuasion, arguments of an intellectual and moral order appear to her insufficient, and she has recourse to force, to corporal punishment, to torture.” The Catholic Church, The Renassance, and Protestantism, pp. 182-183
The Church of Rome has shed more innocent blood than any other institution that ever existed… It is impossible to form a complete conception of the multitudes of her victims.” W.E.H. Lecky, History of the rise of rationalisim in Europe 1910, vol. 2, p.32
“For teaching faith contrary to the teaching of the Church of Rome, history records the martyrdom of more than 100 million people.” Brief Bible Readings p. 16
Rome also states, “The Church never erred, (made a mistake) nor will it according to the Scriptures ever err.” John L. VonMosheim. Institute of Ecclesiastica History Book 3, Century 11, part 2, chapter 2, section 9, note 17.
Mr. Raywood Frazier, in the booklet “Catholic Words and Actions,” presents documentary proof of the intensive persecution of Protestants and non-Catholics in Columbia, South America, between 1949 and 1953. The Catholic Church had the support of the Colombian government in the destruction of many churches, and the liquidation of more than 1,000 documented cases — some of whom were shot, drowned, or emasculated. He says there is evidence of over 60,000 killed. Pope Pius XII awarded the President of Columbia with one of the highest awards which the Church bestows, and praised Columbia for its example of the Catholic faith.” (Pp. 59,60)
“The Catholic Church has persecuted … when she thinks it is good to use physical force she will use it… Will the Catholic Church give bond that she will not persecute?… The Catholic Church gives no bonds for her good behavior.” -Western Watchman, Dec. 24, 1908
THE BEAST WILL… “think to change times and laws”
“The Pope has the power to change times, to abrogate laws, and to dispense with all things, even the precepts of Christ.” “The Pope has the authority and often exercised it, to dispense with the command of Christ.” Decretal, de Tranlatic Episcop. Cap. (The Pope can modify divine law.) Ferraris’ Ecclesiastical Dictionary.
“The Sunday…is purely a creation of the Catholic Church.” American Catholic Quarterly Review, January 1883
“Sunday…It is the law of the Catholic Church alone…” American Sentinel (Catholic) June 1893
“The Catholic church,” declared Cardinal Gibbons, “by virtue of her divine mission changed the day from Saturday to Sunday.” Catholic Mirror Sept. 23 1983. (Official organ of Cardinal Gibbons)
“The Pope is of great authority and power that he can modify, explain, or interpret even divine laws… The Pope can MODIFY divine law, since his power is not of man, But of God, and he acts as vicegerent of God upon earth.” -Lucius Ferraris, Prompta Ribliotheca, “Papa,” art. 2, translated.
Amminadab
our president must soon approve all the regulations from the EU including changing the Sabbath if we want to continue to do business in Europe. We must conform to their regulations or there will be no business between us.
There is another set called CE. this simply means “CONFORMITY EUROPE”.
Rome is preparing to ride the Beast from Germany – The Father Land and the Mother church.
America is fast asleep and has not one thought, not one clue of what is shortly coming to pass.
If the light of truth has been presented to you, revealing the Sabbath of the fourth commandment, and showing that there is no foundation in the Word of God for Sunday observance, and yet you still cling to the false sabbath, refusing to keep holy the Sabbath which God calls ‘my holy day,’ you receive the mark of the beast. When does this take place?– When you obey the decree that commands you to cease from labor on Sunday and worship God, while you know that there is not a word in the Bible showing Sunday to be other than a common working-day, you consent to receive the mark of the beast, and refuse the seal of God. If we receive this mark in our foreheads or in our hands, the judgments pronounced against the disobedient must fall upon us. But the seal of the living God is placed upon those who conscientiously keep the Sabbath of the Lord.” {RH, April 27, 1911 par. 26}
The time is not far distant when the test will come to every soul. The mark of the beast will be urged upon us. Those who have step by step yielded to worldly demands, and conformed to worldly customs, will not find it a hard matter to yield to the powers that be, rather than subject themselves to derision, insult, threatened imprisonment, and death. The contest is between the commandments of God and the commandments of men.” {RH, April 27, 1911 par. 28}
Sundaykeeping is not yet the mark of the beast, and will not be until the decree goes forth causing men to worship this idol sabbath. The time will come when this day will be the test, but that time has not come yet. 7BC 977 (1899).
The seventh day of the week, known today as Saturday, is the eternal sign of Christ’s power as Creator, Sanctifier, and Redeemer and is, therefore, the Lord’s day; the true Christian Sabbath, constituting the seal of the living God. It is observed from sunset Friday to sunset Saturday. (Gen. 2:1-3; Ex. 16:24-31; 20:8-11; John 1:1-3,14; Eze. 20:12,20; Mark 1:21-32; 2:27,28; Isa. 58:13; Luke 4:16; 23:54-56; 24:1; Acts 17:2; Heb. 4:9-11; Isa. 66:22,23; Lev. 23:32; Rev. 7:1-8)
The religious observance of the first day of the week, known today as Sunday, is the Pagan counterfeit of seventh-day Sabbath observance. Sunday has been promoted by the papacy as a mark of her authority. When Sunday observance is enforced by United States civil law it becomes the end-time mark of the beast. (Ex. 31:13; Eze. 20:12,20; Rev. 7:1-8; 13:11-17; 14:1,9,10)