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If You do Not “Accept Jesus into Your ‘Heart” - Today – are You Lost Forever?

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                  IS There only – ONE  DAY – OF  SALVATION?

If you do not “accept Jesus into your ‘heart” – TODAY – are you lost forever?

After almost 6000 years of recorded human history it would seem God has not been very successful as even today, after Christ came 2000 years ago bringing mankind the Good News, only about 25% of the world today claims to be some flavor or type or kind of Christian.  The remaining 75%  are off in a totally different direction thus it does not appear – A  whole  lot of saving — is going on.    Is God having a problem?

And the 25 percent in the “Christian” category mostly opposes and or competes each with the other striving to bring ‘you’ into “their” church.   Some even hate to the point they want to kill those that do not agree with their particular flavor of doctrine and too often they do murder. 

 NOTE: This writer is very interested in the response to this question; is there only one day of salvation? 

 Have many even considered the fact the majority of men that  have lived and died over the last 6000 years have never even heard the name of Jesus Christ? The only name given under heaven where by men may be saved!

In the 4000 years before Jesus Christ of Nazareth came to this earth; only those close to the Hebrew Patriarchs and their seed, that grew to become The House of Jacob, were even informed that there was only one true CREATOR GOD.  

The God of Israel never offered eternal life to the children of Israel; the promises in the Old covenant were all physical.  See Leviticus 26: 1 – 39.  Eternal life was never offered except to the few accounted as Faithful and Righteous.  Numbering those God accounted as Righteous  it is hard to come up with more then a few hundred:  What happens to the remaining millions that died long ago?

The flood of Noah took the entire world down under the water, only 8 people were left alive, not a great success story.  And only one of the eight was righteous;  Noah.  What happened to those millions God put to death?  Are they just — all gone — and lost forever?

As far as I can remember I can’t think of a minister or scholar that has attempted to seriously address this great question.  The question is for the most part – is just ignored.  The ministers preaching the altar call encourages you with “you must hurry and profess Jesus or you will be sent to hell” : they never mention the 100’s of millions that will never hear that false statement.  

Most ministers preach this is the only day of salvation and if you DO NOT “accept Jesus into your heart’  right now you will spend eternity in hell fire in pure torment — complements of their most merciful god.

Will someone please explain the part about Jesus coming into our “hearts”?  Is that accomplished by surgery? Not to be funny but what does that mean? What is suppose to actually take place, the heart pumps blood, it does not think or have feelings?

In the 4000 year history of the Chinese people for example, there have been few even nominal Christians out of the billions and billions of Chinese that have lived and died (or were just murdered) in that Nation.  Whatever is to become of the billions upon billions of these pagan gentiles that worshiped everything under the sun but Jesus Christ?

Just consider the non Hebrew world of these past 6000 years, (the gentiles) who worship everything and anything including flies, frogs and feces, and in their acts of worship; have sacrificed children in the fire and do other despicable acts of depravity.

Since Jesus Christ came almost 2000 years ago, “A” Gospel has been spread by word of mouth.  As Missionaries began to move out into the world, the ones that were not killed and or eaten may have touched one out of a thousand heathen at best.   Are those heathen “lost” are they in hell?

The missionaries, mainly from the “Mother” church but including those of other denominations and sects that came out of her, only caused the deaths of the heathen as they were enslaved by the missionary’s country, stripped of any wealth they may have had and then worked to death.

Even today, Christianity is but one of the countless religions of this world; the estimate is up to 25% of the current population of the 7 plus billion may claim to be some type, sect or flavor of Christianity.   In America, Europe and England, it is fast becoming the religion of   ‘nobody’.

In fact, many today are exploring the gentile religions of old in hopes of finding “truth” or whatever.  Have you seen the cars with stickers on the bumper containing a dozen or more symbols of the different religions?

And many are knowingly seeking after the “spirit” world for — “ENLIGHTENMENT”.  The Israelites, through out their history, ran to the religions of the gentiles time after time to their own destruction.

If one were to add up the numbers of the different “Christian” churches in the world today, there are literally thousands.   

             CAN  THEY  ALL  BE  THAT —  “THE  ONE TRUE  CHURCH” ?  

Can they all be — IN CHRIST and Christ in them?  

Can they all be accepted by Christ as His BODY, as the Ecclesia of God?

Each sect believing and teaching contradicting doctrines, opposing each other at every opportunity and all the while claiming to be Christ’s true church?   And on occasion, killing one another to prove who IS right.

Did God the Father and His Son  create thousands of differing  plans of salvation, with one specifically designed to fit your needs?

Out of the thousands of churches is there one especially created to match your personality – your needs – your temperament or your life style ?

      OR

Is there only ONE TRUE CHURCH OF GOD and is there more then ONE day of salvation?

If God our Father has been desperately attempting to save as many as possible over these last 6000 years, the number saved is very a small percentage of those billions that have lived and died.  Is God the Father in heaven wringing His hands saying to Himself, “I sure hope Susie and Bob accept My Son into their hearts today, I just would hate to lose them”?

If this were the ONLY DAY of Salvation — Does that mean GOD just creates billions of humans and pitches them in the garbage can when He no longer has any use for them?

What about the millions of those little ones aborted – murdered and cut up as “parts” even before birth?   What about the little kids that are murdered by parents or relatives or by some scumbag or even a priest or what about those that die in early childhood by disease, war, starvation or by an accident?

If this “were” the – Only -  Day of Salvation, then the answer must be -  those children are just dumped into the garbage.

Remember:

Those little ones had not accepted Jesus Christ as their Savior — so – too bad?   “OH, sorry you were not actually born yet or were old enough to talk – so – too bad you lose.”

I realize many ministers to comfort parents that have lost their little ones told these parents their child is now with Jesus in heaven.  How can that be? 

If most of us must go through this life suffering all manner of pain and lost –  only to die of cancer, war or an accident what is the purpose for all of that suffering ?  Why not die early and not experience all that suffering and go directly to heaven as a little kid.   And of course it is possible you may not gain salvation later- you may forget to “accept Jesus into your hearts” –  you may be too busy dodging bullets, or drinking or chasing women?

As far as the going to heaven thing – the meek shall inherit the earth not heaven.  When we die we return to dust and when we are resurrected we are resurrected here on the earth exactly as was Christ. Yes He later went back to heaven from where He had come, we did not come from Heaven we are earthly.

If God our FATHER “had” created thousands of churches each disagreeing with the other each with different of plans of salvation, thousands of different roads to different rewards:

 Then one can logically draw the conclusion:

                God is the Author of confusion.  BUT Thank GOD!

 God the Father and His Son Jesus Christ created —  ORDER.

 Ephesians 4: 3, - 6,

3 Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace.

4  [There is]  –      “One -   body, and     One Spirit,  even as ye are called in   “One hope of your calling;

5  “ One Lord,     One faith,     “One baptism,

6  One God and Father of all, who [is] above all, and through all, and in you all.

Paul in Ephesians 4 makes it very clear there is only ONE WAY, not many! There is not one kind of baptism for the catholic and another for the Baptists, Paul states clearly there is ONE BODY OF CHRIST, not many!  Jesus Christ is NOT DIVIDED!   ONE MEANS ONE —  ONE body of followers of the SAME exact doctrines of Jesus Christ – no confusion.

There are not thousands of so called Christian Churches – SO – what happens to those thousands of churches calling themselves “Christians” right now today?

If this were the only day of salvation with many kinds and types of so called Christian church which are NOT FOLLOWING JESUS CHRIST – but have been deceived by Satan into following a different Gospel— what is to become of them?  What is to become of the multiple thousands of varieties of so called Christians that are all divided one from the other?

Just consider this: we now have today  Catholics,  Jehovah Witnesses,  Mormons,  Baptists,  Pentecostals,  born again’s,  rapture believers, the Hebrew Roots Movement and on and on all expecting to be saved and all the while each hold to — in many cases — opposite and opposing doctrines?

Our Creator is a merciful God that wants all men to come to the knowledge of HIS TRUTH and His plan of salvation has more then one time allotted for salvation.

Another 10 pages could be include to expound on God’s Plan of Salvation —but — who would even bother –  ”to read all those words’??  Most will not even read this far, they only want  “Cliff Notes’.

Thus only Revelation 20: 1 – 6 will be used to show by the very Words of Jesus Christ that there are two days, two ages for men to be saved.

1  And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.

2  And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

3  And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

4  And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and [I saw] the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received [his] mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5  But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This [is] the first resurrection. (those that reign for the 1000 years are in that first resurrection, all the others come later after the 1000 years in a 2nd resurrection)

6  Blessed and holy [is] he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Those in the first resurrection will be priests and kings ruling under the KING of kings and LORD of lords Jesus Christ here on earth for 1000 years and after that 1000 years is complete the second resurrection takes place and all those that were aborted, killed, deceived or never even heard the name of Jesus Christ will be resurrected back to physical flesh and blood and will be judged by the Torah over a 100 year period.

Please read Ezekiel 37: 1 – 14 which describes the 2nd resurrection back to physical flesh and blood.

Many logical questions have been presented and clear scriptures included with solid biblical answers —- can you challenge the logic with equally clear scripture showing how the plan of God addresses those that never heard the Name Jesus Christ or the child snatched from life very young?  

At the very least explain what will happen to the tens of billions that are pagans, that were born into pagan religions and lived all their lives within those evil satanic religions over the last 6000 years.



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    • Anonymous

      Ummmmmmm…..no.

    • Maxxy

      …seeker…You’re the only one around these pages, who makes JUDGEMENTS like that…arrogant impostor.

      • Truthseeker

        maxxy,

        Is what I said the TRUTH??

        I will boldly speak the TRUTH until they silence me!! Time is short !

        Why attack me — show where the logic is flawed. show where the scriptures say otherwise — You can not do so!

        • Maxxy

          …seeker…you’re so arrogant and self elevating…I don’t think you can tell what’s truth and what’s not….You’ve somehow missed the ”KEY”.
          …Live in your O.T. prison as long as you want. Its not what you ‘THINK’ it is…today.
          …’The thinker thinks, he thinks…that is his error.
          …Seeker…I know that you have put so much time into this quest of yours…That you just can’t let it be “displaced” by the truth the blood of Christ, and the fact, that His resurrection Freed his ‘body’,(and his believers) from earthly concerns. Liberated the elect…from all constraints, and ‘religious traditions’..
          …Your sacrifices are only there as some sort of continuing expiation for your own perceived shortcomings….Christ took away all of that with the Baptism of the Holy Spirit. In your arrogance you missed the ‘humility’ necessary, to see what’s really going on…right now.
          …All things are made new. Spiritual discernment, IS the KEY.
          …when the veil around the Holy of Holies, was rent, at the moment Jesus breathed his last…it put all you O.T., ‘HOLY MEN’….out of the loop…and in reality…out of business, for good.
          …I won’t judge you..judgement is the Lord’s…Oh yeah…AND truthseekers.
          …Why would I attack you…I am required to plant seeds where there is fertile soil…some times you need to break the ‘Hard” ground, to get to that fertile soil.
          …You’re so passionate in your faith, I don’t want to call you a swine…that tramples the pearls. I want you to accept your new self..in the Holy Spirit…Its my job, now.

          • Truthseeker

            maxxy

            I have followed this WAY for 46 years — I am not searching, that was over 46 years ago.

            You only tell me I am wrong — you never prove it because your can not– why would I take your word instead of my Father’s and my elder brother’s?

            Maxxy nothing you have told me do i consider even close to the truth.

            I have proven to my self repeatedly over the last 46 years I have been called and chosen to follow Jesus Christ and I do!

            • Maxxy

              …..Ok, bud. You’re the boss of your own mind. I won’t wish you “good luck”…I don’t want bear any part of your iniquities…go your way.

            • Truthseeker

              Maxxy

              Iniquities??? maxxy iniquity is lawlessness don’t you remember i obey my Master?

            • Maxxy

              …Truthseeker…Iniquities? Everybody,and anybody, that listens to you and believes, even a ‘JOT’ of it…will suffer for it…and that will be laid, directly on YOU…and any who have even wished you a ‘good day”. Your stubborness and distrust…have cost you more than you can ever imagine.

            • Maxxy

              …seeker….There is only one soul in the universe, that has been judged. Nobody else has been, “lost forever”. At the seventh trump we ALL will be changed into spiritual bodies…we’ll spend the millennium in ‘paradise’…the righteous…who have eschewed The earthly trappings of “religion” near the Throne of God… and all the rest, separated from him, awaiting the “White Throne Judgment”….you will have a thousand years to try to understand….and “learn”, the truth.

          • Drexall Krabbage

            9 Yea, and there shall be many which shall teach after this manner, false and vain and foolish doctrines, and shall be puffed up in their hearts, and shall seek deep to hide their counsels from the Lord; and their works shall be in the dark.

            10 And the blood of the saints shall cry from the ground against them.

            11 Yea, they have all gone out of the way; they have become corrupted.

            12 Because of pride, and because of false teachers, and false doctrine, their churches have become corrupted, and their churches are lifted up; because of pride they are puffed up.

    • Damien

      My heart has no need for nail clipping laws you brillo pad scrubbing zionist slave.

      • Truthseeker

        aden

        No you will not obey Jesus Christ until He begins to use the ROD of IRON and then you will obey.

        In the mean time why not run off somewhere with your favorite goat.

        If you had intelligent comments I would respond — but ‘sign’, no such luck.

        My old pappy had a saying that you might want to consider: It is better to be thought a fool then to speak and remove all doubt.

        • Damien

          Rebe Yashua can clip His own friggin toenails!

    • Amminadab

      2 Corinthians 6:2
      now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation.

      • Truthseeker

        amminadab

        “behold now is – A – day of salvation”

        Strong’s Concordance
        hémera: day
        Original Word: ἡμέρα, ας, ἡ
        Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
        Transliteration: hémera
        Phonetic Spelling: (hay-mer’-ah)
        Short Definition: a day
        Definition: a day, the period from sunrise to sunset.

        Strong’s Concordance
        kairos: time, season
        Original Word: καιρός, οῦ, ὁ
        Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
        Transliteration: kairos
        Phonetic Spelling: (kahee-ros’)
        Short Definition: fitting season, opportunity, time
        Definition: fitting season, season, opportunity, occasion, time.

    • Amminadab

      We then, as workers together with Him also plead with you not to receive the grace of God in vain. For he says: ‘In an acceptable time I have heard you, and in the day of salvation I have helped you.’ Behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation” (2 Cor. 6:1-2).

      This passage appears in the middle of Paul’s discourse exhorting the Corinthians to turn from sin and live holy before God. In 2 Corinthians 5, Paul wrote concerning the resurrection and subsequent judgement of each soul according to the things done in the body. He implores them on Christ’s behalf to: “be reconciled to God” (2 Cor. 5:21). And in the sixth chapter he exhorts them to do this “NOW.”

      Webster defines “now” as: “at the present time or moment.” In 2 Cor. 6:2, nun is translated “now” denoting the “present time.” To exemplify the meaning of nun, notice Matthew’s record of the reviling toward Jesus upon the cross: “‘He saved others; Himself He cannot save. If He is the King of Israel, let Him now come down from the cross, and we will believe Him. He trusted in God; let Him deliver Him now if He will have Him; for He said, ‘I am the Son of God’” (Matt. 27:42-42). The Jews wanted to see Jesus come down from the cross now, immediately – not a day, week, or month later.

      This lesson is also expressed in the usage of parachrema which is translated “immediately” and “at once.” Parachrema is a word favored by Luke as he writes from a historical view emphasizing order and time. Luke often uses this word to express the immediacy of miracles. But one of the best examples of parachrema is in Luke 22:60 wherein Luke records Peter’s third denial of Jesus saying: “‘Man, I do not know what you are saying!’ And immediately, while he was still speaking, the rooster crowed.”

      Luke describes the time frame of events between Peter’s denial and the rooster crowing – parachrema, immediately. And notice, Peter had not completed his denial of Jesus before the rooster crowed.

      Throughout the Bible we see individuals rendering immediate obedience to God, but the word parachrema appears in only one record of conversion. In Acts 16 we find Paul and Silas in the inner prison praying and singing psalms at midnight. There was a great earthquake shaking the foundation of the prison during which the prison doors were opened and prisoner’s chains were loosed. Luke describes the time frame of these events with parachrema saying: “immediately all the doors were opened and everyone’s chains were loosed” (Acts 16:26).

      Later that night Paul and Silas spoke the word of the Lord to the jailor and his household. Then Luke again uses the word parachrema to describe their obedience saying: “And he took them the same hour of the night and washed their stripes. And immediately he and all his family were baptized” (Acts 16:33).

      It is human nature to procrastinate. But when it comes to obedience to God, there is no room for procrastination. Obedience to the Lord should be immediate – no man is promised tomorrow.

      Now is the day of salvation! Tomorrow is the day of . . .?

      http://m.biblestudyguide.org/articles/salvation/now-day-salvation.htm

    • freedom007

      Truthseeker, your nickname is correct, and your quest is serious; for you did not over-read this above-named passage in Revelation, and you did not shrink from not only naming the most basic and fundamental problems in Christian doctrine but also correctly answering at least one of them “what about those who never heard of Jesus or having died as unborns, will they be lost forever?”

      I admit I can´t be called a Christian anymore, myself; I worship God the Hindu way (thats why I dont worry for the souls of the unborn anymore – they simply will reincarnate another time to do their God-given tasks on Earth);
      but my quest too is and was serious, and I recognize a serious seeker of truth as soon as I meet with him or her.
      Don´t lose courage!
      Those who think you to only give an excuse for procrastination, falsely project their own superficiality upon you.

      This gives me the opportunity to name the problem of Christianity that is the very deepest and oldest:
      almost every Christian accuses others… he / she accuses almost everyone else, in fact… Christians constantly seek splinters in others´eyes, and this false attitude is a baulk of timber which they have in their own eyes…

      The reason for this behavior must be that
      Christians desire Heaven so much that they would do everything to get a proof, if ever so little, to belong there,
      and they fear Hell so much that they would rather see anyone else damned to Hell but themselves.
      Thats what makes them excellent accusers.
      But – the Word SATAN means Accuser!
      And to constantly fear the Pit of Fire is almost as horrible as already being there…

      I must admit, again, I think that Jesus made a big mistake by threatening people with that Pit of Fire. Almost everyone reacts negatively to this threat, either by pathological fear, or by haughtiness and accusing others.

      If you know a solution to this (verbatim!) burning issue from the Scriptures, come on, write an article about it.

      • Damien

        Hinduism? Isnt that like the religious version of Black Lives Matter?

      • Amminadab

        Matthew 10:28
        And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

        Luke 12:5
        But I will show you whom you should fear: Fear him who, after your body has been killed, has authority to throw you into hell. Yes, I tell you, fear him.

        Hebrews 10:31
        It is a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

        James 4:12
        There is only one Lawgiver and Judge, the one who is able to save and destroy. But you–who are you to judge your neighbor?

        Revelation 14:7
        Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.

        Eccl 12:13
        Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.

        Hellfire is the second death not eternal punishment.

      • Truthseeker

        freedom007

        The lake of fire is for those that refuse to obey the law of God, it is a choice each can make.

        God will never allow a satan into HIS Holy Family, every one born into God’s Family will have been tried and tested and the carnal human nature we are all born with will be removed and replaced by the HOLY Righteous Perfect divine nature of the Father. We will be ONE! that change of nature is called “conversion”

        the Lake of Fire is actually an act of mercy, freedom if you had an animal you loved and it was suffering badly would you not put that animal down to end its suffering — God the Father and Jesus Christ will not let a rebellious, lawless human cause themselves or others harm. Certainly not for all eternity.

        • freedom007

          you mean, that sinners will suffer a horrible END in this fire, but not a horrible ETERNITY…

          Then this pit really would be a merciful thing… for the worst of people, those so wrongly built that they can think and do only negative things.

          After decades of living with the fear of eternal fire torment,
          I laugh at simply having to die for ever as an ultimate punishment. This is nothing at all.
          If the eternal torment I feared so much really is a misinterpretation, or an outright lie,
          woe to those who perpetrated it,
          but also thanks to them…
          for now there remains only the Hellfire and Brimstone within mortal life to fear, and this is trivial, as it once wil have an end, and most probably a happy one;
          and if, God forbid, such a hell within life should drive me to suicide, or into Nihilism and negation of God,
          I won´t be punished for those results of overburdening suffering by even more suffering – an idea so cruel that it was one of the reasons why I left my Church and became a lonely Eclecticist and, to some extent, a student of Hindu traditions.
          God bless, Truthseeker.
          if I were unable to do anything good, and KNEW it,
          i.e. if I were doomed to be knowing good from bad while being unable to do good, there are some miserable existences that function exactly this way…
          the only positive thing I could think of would be to jump into that pit by my own will, to free the world of my noxious existence.
          The only thing I would fear about that pit, then, would be
          “how long will it take till I lose conscious- long enough to allow me to feel the burning pain of the fire, or will I simply pass out because of the smoke without pain?”

          If Second Death is to be taken literally, as you do, I dont fear it no more.

          • Truthseeker

            freedom

            Our Father is merciful more then any can imagine, the torment will be very short.

            Jesus Christ must follow the Torah and none can be put to death with out at least 2 or 3 witnesses.

            there is a 3rd resurrection, this is the resurrection to condemnation.

            those that refuse to obey are brought back to flesh and blood, adjudicated and then cast into the fire. There will be gnashing of teeth at the anticipation of what is coming but the pain of the Lake of Fire will only be a few seconds.

            Our creator is offering us eternal life and if we refuse — eternal death.

            • freedom007

              so the question is which rules are to be obeyed. If the answer should be “Torah, literally”, however, most people would be unable to do so, and it would be a nonsensical idea too – making a Mea Shearim quarter out of the whole world… hah hah. The same would apply to answers like “Quran, literally” or “Vedas, literally”.
              That leads me to the point of it all:
              The result of my inter-religius studies is the same that Gotthold Ephraim Lessing formulated long ago, about Christianity, Judaism and Islam, in his “Nathan the Wise” theatre-piece. It reads
              “You all are but defrauded frauds. Your rings, all three of them, are not genuine. The real ring got lost, it seems.”
              I include in this result also the East Asian ways as they are today.
              There is so much fear about a new One World Religion to come. But it is evident that exactly this is urgently needed.
              Thus:
              I wait for the come of the one who will restore our original spiritual knowledge, no matter how he will call himself – there are many prophesies about this One to come in all religions, also Hinduism;
              if one who seems to be this One, and won my trust, later on should show up to be just another fraud, I will end up revolting against him and the whole world, and be as proud of it, as the biblical Samson was, when he tore the palace down;
              but if I should be blessed to choose, or already have choosen, the right one to follow, nothing will be left to fear.

              To tell why I turned to “the Heathens” would take a whole book, so I spare you of that. Only know that I´m sure both of us work for the same “company” – God´s MNC, His kingdom to come.

            • Truthseeker

              freedom

              which rules did Christ teach?

              which rules did Christ use to defeat Satan after fasting for 40 days and nights?

              which rules did Abraham obey?

              the Torah!

              Christ taught the two great precepts are: love God and love neighbor and upon these two are all the Law and the prophets built.

              Which means the foundation of the Torah are – love god and love neighbor and the entirety of the Old and the New Testament is then built upon the Torah.

              freedom the Torah reveals to mankind the HOLY righteous Divine Nature of God. We are to be converted over to HIS DIVINE NATURE.

              I for one am sick of carnal human nature — and I can not wait for the day I will be rid of that evil nature forever and it will no longer preside over this earth,

    • Pix

      “If you do not “accept Jesus into your ‘heart” – TODAY – are you lost forever?”

      If not being indoctrinated at a young age into a belief that oxymoron’s can coexist, which destroys the ability to think critically, then if that is a sin, I’ll live with it. Because short of having a lobotomy so I can suspend all knowledge, logic and common sense in favour of a giant invisible magic man did it, it ain’t gonna happen.

      :lol:

      • Truthseeker

        pix

        do not worry, you are not lost as yet, there is still hope for you.

        when you are resurrected back as your self in the 2nd resurrection as a flesh and blood man — it will be explained to you and then you can make an intelligent decision, until then you will remain as blind as a bat.

        What is hard to understand, if you truly are as intelligent as you claim to be, how you think this fantastic human body with its intricate systems that must work together perfectly or there is no life was evolved?

    • freedom007

      Hi again Truthseeker.
      You believe that God´s Law is the Torah, as Jesus Himself obeyed it.
      But you know that 1) the Torah as a mostly ritual law for one tribe and for one central temple is not applicable to all peoples on Earth and 2) that Jesus Himself applied the Torah in a freer way than accepted by his fellow believers – which finally led to his death on the cross. Thirdly, you know that Love God and Loe Neighbor is the core of Torah according to Jesus Himself.
      To sum up: everyone who applies Love God And Love Neighbor applies the Torah and follows Jesus.
      If this is true, people of all creeds including unbaptised Heathens and ex-Churchian eclectics have the chance to be saved – by applying this rule. If this is true, the two of us really work for the same company.
      For this is the core of my creed in practical life – no matter which language I use in prayer or whether I pray the polytheistic or the monotheistic way! Once I prayed in German and Latin, now in German, Hindi and Sanskrit, and once I called the Beloved Queen of Heavens Virgin Mary and now I say Amba Maa, what is the real difference?

      Here is an example of how i deal with daily life as conscientiously as I can – not perfect though – it is from another actual comment of mine:
      “Unethical tactics dont only exist in cancer therapy but also anywhere else in medicine – if your doc happens to be a greedy a..hole.
      I once had a Chief Doc who used to train us as his subordinates in getting the max out of the Health Service companies involved in paying for our patients – no matter if it was justified or to the advantage of the patient.
      He sometimes faked examination results to have diagnoses severe enough for higher payment.
      And once – the day before I quit, which I did to be no longer involved in his trickeries – I asked him the following:
      “That patient John Doe, 85 years old, has come back from acute-case hospital, and says he cant do rehabilitation no more, he feels he has no more strength left, and has too much pain; shall we dismiss him home?”
      He didnt even demand the patient´s file,
      but only said while passing by: “Dismiss him against medical counsel.”
      This meant for the patient a considerable financial disadvantage, and was not justified, as that old man was objectively unable to do rehabilitation.
      I, then, read to the patient that he would be dismissed against medical counsel – which he was actually unable to grasp because he was on morphine – and had him sign his consent to this measure… and he did…
      and I knew that I was actually committing fraud by order of my Head Doc.
      Thank God I dont work for this man no more”

      I mean, the fraud happened during my very last working day there, thank God that Head Doc didnt involve me in affairs of this gravity before. I had been only a witness till that day… I had signed my dismissal three months ago, officially “for private reasons” but really because of the constant unethical and implite behavior of this Head Doc. If your Chief in job demands criminal and sinful things of you, quit the job. If you do this too late, he may involve you so deeply in his wrong ways that you cant get out again! This is how Love God and Love Neighbor – and Protect your Soul! – must finally be realised in daily job life. If enough people acted this way, evil Chiefs and CEOs had no chance for a longlasting career.
      Nb three months after my leaving, that Head Doc got fired himself, and the reason for his dismissal was that everyone knew he had pressurized and bullied me to make me leave.
      This is how Karma works – or, in Biblical terms, God´s Justice. I felt for sure that this would happen. I gambled on it – and I happened to win the game.
      Now I am back at work in the very same clinic, under a normal, sane new Head Doc, and all the fellow workers there, nurses and docs and all, are happy to have me around again. It was my fellow docs who wanted me back!

      • Truthseeker

        Freedom

        The Torah is not at all ritual law,

        The Torah is made up of the Law, the statutes and the judgments.

        The law are rules for perfect living, righteous living

        The statutes are the breaking down of the Law into finer points

        And the Judgments are how all is to be adjudicated

        The priest and the Pharisees had perverted the Law and Christ set them straight and for that they killed HIM.

        Freedom:

        The law does not make one righteous, the law only points out what sin IS.

        Keeping the law is our duty to our Master i.e. our owner, we are punished if we do not obey. There is no extra reward for obedience. If We obey we do not suffer the automatic penalty i.e. if you fornicate with a whore that has STDs you will get STD’s..

        I know about doctors I built homes for many of them, I look to my Father for healing, I am 76 and take not one drug or prescription and haven’t for decades.

        • Damien

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          • Damien

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