When a person  IS — “BORN AGAIN” –??

Do those “born again” remain  “corruptible” flesh and blood or are they  born “spiritually”  into — ‘incorruptible” — immortal Spirit  ??

When a person that has just been baptized rises up out of the water is that person then — “born again”?   Are we “born again” after being submerged under water i.e. water baptism?   

Is rising up from under the waters of baptism a symbolic birth or is it a symbolic resurrection from that watery grave?  

Many falsely believe they must only be baptized “with” the Spirit and the “proof” of that “baptism is speaking in unknown tongues.

Are God’s Saints to be “BORN AGAIN”  in a second but “Spirit”  Birth –  born again as incorruptible immortal Spirit or do they remain dwelling in corruptible flesh blood here on this earth? 

Many  “very” sincere folks believe they have already been, some how, “Born Again”.

Some just ‘know’ they are born again because they felt a sudden jolt of electricity others felt unbelievable ‘love’ flow through them, —some can now speak in ‘tongues’ and on and on.  

What is this term actually describing?   While the deeply sincere “born again”  folks remain in physical flesh and blood bodies, has some sort of a ‘birth’ or ‘change’ in body actually taken place and did that “birth” occur at a water baptism or while they just stood there loving Jesus?   

The majority of those believing they are “born again”  have overlooked one very clear fact of scripture —  the Holy Spirit comes through the laying on of hands.   

So the question remains,  how is it possible to receive the Spirit of the Father without the laying on of hands?

Are you “Born Again” when you proclaim  - out loud -  in front of others that you have “accepted Jesus into your heart”?   This now is a common practice  – “accepting Jesus in “to” ones ‘heart’ ” and according to many it is THE only requirement —  “The only  step” - necessary for salvation??  

This false doctrine is impossible to locate in the Bible and is another study.  Many claim speaking in the tongues of “angels”  is the only way one can know for certain they have received the “baptism of the Spirit”.

Are those “born again” a very special category of  ‘Christians’   - or – can any one of the 4000 flavors of so called Christians be born again?   Does it even matter what ‘flavor’ you are – ?

What is to become of those like myself that —  “do not agree”—with this false doctrine ?   Not all claiming to be Christians accept this – born again – dogma as truth.  Are they lost???

Here is what Wikipedia has to say regarding the widely held dogma of   “Born Again”.

Born again (Christianity)

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In Christianity, to be born again is to undergo a “spiritual rebirth” (regeneration) of the human soul or spirit from the Holy Spirit, contrasted with the physical birth everyone experiences. The origin of the term “born again” is the New Testament: “Jesus replied, ‘Very truly I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God without being born again.’”^{[Jn 3:3 NIV][1]} It is a term associated with salvation in Christianity. Individuals who profess to be born again often state that they have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ.^[2][3][4]

Many historic church denominations understood being “born again” as spiritual regeneration via the sacrament of baptism by the power of water and word. This understanding persists in Roman Catholicism, in some parts of Anglicanism,^[5] in Lutheranism and in Eastern Orthodoxy. However, beginning sometime after the Reformation, Evangelical Protestants have predominantly understood being born again^[6] as an experience of conversion, and then symbolized by deep-water baptism, and rooted in a commitment to one’s own personal faith in Jesus Christ for salvation. This same belief is also an integral part of Methodist doctrine,^[7][8] and is connected with the doctrine of Justification.^[9]

So!  Many, but not all, of the “historic church” denominations or sects or divisions i.e. the 4000 flavors — understand born again to be a spiritual rebirth or some sort of regeneration while remaining in the carnal human physical  condition of corruptible flesh i.e. a human person.

The catholic’s  claims a person is born again at baptism (the sprinkling of water) and the Evangelical Protestants and others claim it is an experience of conversion that can happen with or without baptism.  

Most of us have seen the altar calls where the folks walk down the aisle praising Jesus and then are told they are “saved” as they walk on stage with everyone applauding.  They now have Jesus “in their  “hearts” – so they claim.

Why is it the majority ignore the words of Jesus Christ?  Christ came to REVEAL the FATHER.  Jesus Christ taught His disciples to worship the FATHER and Him only?  And yet most worship and look to “JESUS” acknowledging the Father in passing –– every now and then.

One problem right up front; how can this be a “rebirth” of spirit – a spiritual rebirth?  That would require a previous spirit birth.  “Re”  means again or an action done over, thus to claim a spiritual rebirth has occurred one must first show where and how it happened the first time.  And where is it explained that being born again is a rebirth or an experience of conversion?  Are there clear scriptures for us to study that show a re-birth and what is being converted?

There seems to be much confusion and more than a little disagreement among the untold thousands of divisions of so called Christianity, which regrettably is the norm.  The nominal Christian norm is  – confusion — so what are we to believe regarding this born again dogma??

Why not let the words of our Savior and Creator Jesus Christ explain clearly what He means when He uses the two words ‘born’ (gennao)  and  ‘again’  (anothen).   John 3  is the first time the term is used and its meaning is explained by our Creator Jesus Christ.

John 3

NIV translation is in   “BLACK”

KJV is  in  blue, with Strong’s #’s available when your curser lands on a word.

3 “Jesus replied, “Very truly I tell you, no one can — see – the kingdom of God unless they are born again.^a ”

3 “Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

What did Christ mean when He said only those born again can  ‘SEE’  the Kingdom of God?   “See” is #1492  ‘Eido’, This word “See” is used in John 1: 3 & 4: 29 and in both scriptures the intent is to actually view  something with ones eyes.  Thus Christ is saying unless a person is born again that person can not view or see the Spiritual Kingdom or government of God.  

So unless a person is “born again” the Spiritual Kingdom of God is not visible to the physical human eye –so states your Creator in verse 3 above.

Has anyone now in this age visibly seen with their physical human eye the spiritual Kingdom of God or the actual Throne Christ rules from?   In  all  the Word of God I can find only that some were given a glimpse of the Kingdom —  in  A vision.  Paul experienced a vision that seemed so real he could not tell if it was real or a vision.

Is Christ explaining the doctrine of salvation in chapter three —  Is Christ pointing out what must occur to be freed from your sins – OR – as Christ explains in verses 6 – 8 was Christ showing Nicodemus,  a master [teacher] of Israel, that to be  ‘in’  or to be a part of  that very Kingdom Nicodemus was expecting to come, a person must be  Born Again by a 2^nd birth — a spirit birth – INTO – Immortal  SPIRIT.  

This was not a lesson of how to become  “saved”  but of describing the results of the coming resurrection when the Saints are born again into immortal Spirit and into the spirit image of their Father.   Once born into immortal Spirit one can then -  SEE — Spirit — God is a SPIRIT.  Scriptures proving statements such as “God is a Spirit” will not be included as they are very basic doctrines.

Where is that Kingdom of God, also called the Kingdom of Heaven?  If you will review that model prayer, that prayer outline Christ taught the Apostles, you will find in that prayer Christ taught them to pray always;  “Thy Kingdom come”!    If Christ taught His Disciples they must continue always in asking the Father to SEND HIS Kingdom to earth- then it is still in Heaven today as Jesus Christ  has not yet come down to earth to rule with the ROD of IRON.   

If you have studied prophecy you have found all prophecy points to Christ bringing that Kingdom of God that Kingdom of Heaven — to earth.   Jesus Christ as King of the Government of God is bringing that Kingdom of God to earth with Him at His return.   And that Kingdom is a Spiritual Kingdom not visible to human eyes.

The question then becomes;   Has any person that believes they are born again actually seen with their own eyes that Kingdom  of which Jesus Christ  is King with their eyes of flesh??   That Kingdom which as yet can not be on earth as Jesus Christ has not yet returned?    No!   Christ stated clearly, “to see the Kingdom a person must be “born again” and since Christ has not yet returned to earth the Kingdom remains in heaven.  And the Saints of God are to continue to pray daily – “Thy Kingdom Come.”

Or can any say they have seen Jesus Christ sitting on the existing Throne of David ruling over the 12 tribes of Israel and the whole earth?   When the Saints are born again as immortal Spirit at the first resurrection which occurs at the return of Christ, they will not only see the Spirit Kingdom of God and Jesus Christ, a Spirit, sitting on His Throne in all GLORY   but they themselves shall be – IN – God’s Kingdom ruling as kings and priest.   Revelation 5: 10 and 20:  4 clearly state the Saints are given positions as kings and Lords and priest.

Those Born Again in the First Resurrection will not only see the Kingdom but will be sons of God and will be part of that Spiritual Kingdom, that Spirit Family of God the Father.

The word “again” (#509) also carries the meaning of “from above”, born — ‘from above’.  The word “born” is # 1080  Gennao,  meaning; to beget.  What is above or higher then man: God and His Kingdom!! And it is a Spiritual Kingdom and God  - IS – A SPIRIT.

Beget | Definition of Beget by Merriam-Webster

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/beget to cause (something) to happen or exist. : to become the father of (someone).

God becomes our Father when HE places HIS Spirit in us through the laying on of hands.

Christ, in John 3, is teaching His Saints that to be able to view or see the “Spiritual”  Kingdom of God they themselves must be born again —  born – A – 2nd time and this time into incorruptible  immortal Spirit – not into corruptible flesh and blood.  

Verse 6 below clears up this question  “That which is born of the Spirit  – IS –  SPIRIT”:  if you bleed when cut, you are not  Spirit.    If you can not walk through stone walls you are not Spirit! —  “IS SPIRIT” — no longer flesh and blood.

Another very important point that remains to be cleared up before it is possible to understanding the term born again ;  who was Christ talking about?

Was Christ teaching the   “unconverted”   must be born again and by that birth become “a born again Christian” 

OR   was Christ explaining the  final event  in the salvation process?    Just who is it that must be born again;   the unconverted  – or — those already converted?

This — is — KEY to understanding the term, “born again”:  who was Christ speaking of – the Converted or those not yet converted????

To see, to perceive, to be  IN  the “Spiritual”  Kingdom of God —  one must be Spirit.   Physical flesh and blood can not inherit the Spiritual Kingdom of God so states the Word of God in 1 Corinthians 15: 50.

Thus Christ is teaching “His” Converted Saints –THEY – must enter the Kingdom of God by a 2nd birth —  but this birth is a  birth into Spirit and not while remaining in the  flesh:       

A  2^nd birth  into Spirit immortality which will place the Saints in the Spirit Kingdom of God, the Household of God the Father — into Elohiym.

4  “How can someone be born when they are old?” Nicodemus asked. “Surely they cannot enter a second time into their mother’s womb to be born!”

4   “Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born (#1080) when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother’s womb, and be born? (#1080)

Strong’s Concordance

# 1080 -gennaó: to beget, to bring forth

Original Word: γεννάω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: gennaó
Phonetic Spelling: (ghen-nah’-o)
Short Definition: I beget, bring forth, give birth to
Definition: I beget (of the male), (of the female) I bring forth, give birth to.

HELPS Word-studies

1080 gennáō – properly, beget (procreate a descendant), produce offspring; (passive) be born, “begotten.”

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For a clearer understanding of the word “begotten” we will go to John 1: 14  

14 “And the WORD was made flesh and dwelt among us and we beheld His glory the glory as of the only — begotten — of the Father, full of grace and truth.”   

The Word of God states when Christ was made flesh i.e. a human – He was   BEGOTTEN  and THE WORD became a flesh and blood man that came to earth to die.   The word translated begotten in John 1: 14 is  #3439  Monogenes and means ‘one and only’ or one of a kind.  Yes it is a different word then #1080.

Both #1080 and #3439 are translated as begotten; why?   Christ was the only one begotten of the Father by the Holy Spirit up to that time yet was a physical human man.   See 1 John 4: 9.    Christ walked the earth as a physical man not as a Spirit.    

The Apostle John did not use that term “born again” to describe the condition of Jesus Christ as He lived among us as a flesh and blood human man.

Jesus Christ came to show us that exact and narrow path to eternal life and the beginning step of that path to salvation is becoming a “spiritual fetus”.   

When the WORD became flesh and was placed in Mary, Jesus Christ i.e. The Word was filled with the Holy Spirit of the Father thus was the begotten “spiritual fetus” of the Father.  The Spirit of the Father begot Christ as HIS SON.

The Saints of God the Father are begotten by the FATHER in the same exact way.  Christ was born the first time of His mother Mary and was born again when His Father resurrected Him on the third day from physical death to immoral Spirit eternal life.  Christ was born again the 2^nd time — into immortal Spirit and the Saints of God will follow that exact path to LIFE.

Christ in verse 4 above is not talking about being converted!  Nicodemus, by asking this question, demonstrated he fully understood the term “born” in the physical sense.   Jesus was describing a real birth from a mother’s womb in explaining the actual Spiritual birth of the Saints into immortality.  

Once the Saints are born again into Spirit immortality at the First Resurrection the Saints will actually SEE and inherit [become part of] the Kingdom of God.

Why would you suppose Nicodemus would then say;  ‘must I return to my mother’s womb?’  Nicodemus knew full well about being born physically from a mother’s womb but was chided by Christ for not understanding the spiritual things of God as he supposedly was a master of the things of God.

Now as our Savior begins to explain the need to be born again before any can actually SEE the kingdom of God: which of you can show exactly where or how Christ is explaining or describing a rebirth or a conversion, — where are those words?    

Rebirth carries the meaning of an action done over and ‘again’ can mean from above, Christ is explaining a new birth, not a rebirth, which comes or is given to us from above: from heaven.  The third Heaven is a spiritual realm and from this heavenly spirit realm coming first and only  to God’s called Saints —  a birth to immortal Spirit.

Read verse 6 below: “That which is born of the Spirit   “IS” SPIRIT.”   Those ‘born again’ in the first resurrection will not and can not remain as flesh, all of mankind is to be born the first time into flesh and blood, man was created for A Divine purpose — TO BE BORN –  again — but this   2^nd birth  INTO   immortal Spirit.   

Remember the clear teaching of Paul in 1 Corinthians 15: 53,   “For this corruptible must put on incorruption and this ‘mortal’ must put on immortality”.   Read all of chapter 15, Paul knows where of he speaks.   Paul was taught in a vision so real he could not tell if he was on earth or in the third heaven – Paul was taught in person by Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior so he could teach the Saints TRUTH.    Paul states first we are mortal flesh and blood and then we will “put on” immortality.  According to Jesus Christ spirit gives birth only to Spirit,  “after his kind” –into  incorruptible immortal spirit.

Note:  

Realize this is “strong meat”; this is not to be quickly skimmed.   It is not meant for babes in Christ but for those skilled in the Word.   Every word was chosen to impart as much is possible in human language the correct intent; understand the writer is not yet perfect – not even close – and mistakes or misunderstanding can be found.      To understand this writer’s intent may require rereading a few times.

The Bible through out is duel; first comes the physical and then the Spiritual.  The first man Adam, the physical man  and the second man, Christ – the Spiritual man:  First the physical Passover Lamb then our Spiritual Lamb Jesus Christ.  The physical Jerusalem comes before the Spiritual Jerusalem from heaven:  this duality of the Bible is from beginning to end.   God uses the physical first as the precursor to the spiritual.   The physical is temporary and the Spiritual is eternal.

5   “Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, no one — can enter – the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit. “

5 “Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born (#1080) of water and [of] the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

This scripture spoken by Christ concerns our entering into the Kingdom of God, becoming a part OF:  Is the Kingdom of God a physical or spiritual kingdom?   

The Government of God is a Spiritual Government of the Spiritual realm.   Does it also rule the physical realm, absolutely?   But, unless one is Spirit and no longer flesh and blood, that physical person of flesh and blood cannot enter into the Spiritual Kingdom of God i.e. the Family or Household of God.

Again flesh and blood can not inherit the Kingdom of God:  flesh is a physical temporary life form made of dust and a Spirit is immortal and — IS — Spirit.

How is this not clear;  flesh and blood can not enter the Kingdom — only Spirit can?   If you are breathing air at this moment to remain alive you are not in the Kingdom of God: yes accounted as a begotten son of God but not yet born again as  immortal Spirit.

When Jesus says “Except a man be born of water” what does this mean?   A Man is born of women and is carried before birth in the women’s womb — filled with water.    It is a rare person that does not understand; “her water broke”.   And what is man composed of –approximately 60% water.

First we must be born of a woman as a physical flesh and blood human made of dust and water and then after repentance and  baptism  into the watery grave from which we rise in newness of life  and after which we receive the Holy Spirit by the laying on of hands — and then — after enduring until the end — we must then be “born again” the 2^nd time:  our 2^nd birth at the first  Resurrection into immortal Spirit — no longer filled with water but filled with and composed of Spirit.   Born of the Spirit.

That 2^nd and Spiritual birth for God’s saints takes place at the First Resurrection.  For those that await a rapture what has been explained above clearly exposes this lie of Satan. The rapture is just another in a long list of satanic lies.

6  “Flesh gives birth to flesh, but –  the Spirit^b  gives birth to spirit.   NIV

6  “That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

How can this be misunderstood or twisted?

Flesh gives birth – only–  TO — flesh:    [so much for angels fornicating with humans]

            Spirit gives birth  –  only—   TO — Spirit: 

When you are  ‘born again’  of and  BY  the Spirit,,  born again OF  God’s Spirit — you will – BE –  SPIRIT,  no longer flesh and blood but incorruptible Spirit. 

When a person is born from above they are born into Spirit, they will  BE   A  SPIRIT an immortal Spirit as is Jesus Christ our elder brother. This birth occurs at the first resurrection.   Christ has clearly stated “ I will raise him up at the “last Day”, the last day of the Day of the LORD.

BY the laying on of Hands a repentant and baptized person is given the down payment,  the ‘earnest’, the contract deposit which binds the contract.              

See Corinthians 1: 22;  and that ‘earnest’ is the Holy Spirit of God the Father.  That converted person is given a small measure of the Father’s Spirit,        a Holy Seed,  a measure or small portion of God’s  Spirit and the full measure [immortality] when born again at the First Resurrection.

At the First Resurrection the corruptible physical body is discarded and the incorruptible Spirit  is ‘put on’ – the Saints will be born the 2^nd time but this time as  immortal Spirit.   Born a 2^nd time NOT into  flesh but into  Spirit –born again by that exact same ONE SPIRIT that raised Christ from the dead and THAT SPIRIT is   ONE.   And as describes in verse 8 below the born again Saints of God will be like the wind— Read it for yourselves:  

“So it is with everyone born of the Spirit”.   Invisible and without the limitations of bodies made of physical flesh. 

God tells us in chapter one of Genesis what the purpose of creation is:  “Let us make men in our image after our likeness”.  AND what is the image and  likeness of GOD –   SPIRIT.

7   “You should not be surprised at my saying, ‘You^c must be born again.’

7   “Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

Christ was not stating we must repent or be baptized or endure until the end, those events must occur earlier — those events lead up to being born again.  Those that endure until the end will be — born again,  go back to verse 3  “To see the Kingdom of God”  and verse 7 “ Ye must be born again”.   Now read what Paul says in 1 Corinthians 15:  50   “Now this I say brethren that flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of God;  neither doth corruption inherit incorruption”.   Neither does nor – can – the physical inherit the Spiritual,  to inherit your position in God’s Family you must be born into Spirit.  If one can not inherit the Kingdom while in human flesh how can one SEE the Kingdom while in the flesh?

8   ‘The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with  everyone   born of the Spirit.”^d

8 “The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born (from above) of the Spirit.

So, all of those that profess and insist they are born again, do they still bleed?   Do they require air to breathe and food and water to live?   Can they walk through stone walls?   Can they be seen and touched and are they visible to the human eye at all times? THEN —-They are not Spirit they are flesh so states Jesus Christ.

Would you like to read a scripture explaining what is going to take place when we — ARE– “born again”?

Philippians 3

21  Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto “his glorious body”, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.

And what “body” does Christ now have??

Jesus Christ was raised from death as immortal Spirit and WE also will be raise exactly as was Jesus Christ — our physical bodies will be cast aside and we will be spiritually – born again – with HIS glorious body  HIS exact Body KIND.

When the Saints of God, God’s First Fruits, are resurrected –born again- their bodies will be in the exact immortal spirit form as the GLORIOUS BODY of the Son of GOD —- Jesus Christ.

At baptism our sins are washed away by the blood of Jesus Christ and with the laying on of hands we receive the Holy Spirit of God the Father; and at the First Resurrection and Christ’s return the Saints are  BORN AGAIN  as immortal Spirit and then those born again will fulfill Verse 8 above.

Many of us have talked with those professing to be born again, none were like the wind and I could easily tell whence they came and whence they went.

Satan is the inventer of the “CON”, the lie and Satan wants every one professing to be Christian to believe they are already born again into the Kingdom of God, “they have it made!”   They are saved now and forever and can never fall away — that is the exact lie many professing Christians teach. 

When the False Prophet begins to rise to power and all her ‘daughters’ return rejoicing in her miracles and her great words the whole world will worship the Beast and that Great False Church – Mystery Babylon.   It is possible all of those very sincere ‘born again’ folks will rush to this Abomination. 

If you believe, as many teach, you can not fall away — read Matthew 25; Christ give the parable of the 10 virgins half of which –FALL AWAY and are locked out right before the time of the end!

Here Peter uses a different word to describe a different event.

1 Peter 1:

22   Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, [see that ye] love one another with a pure heart fervently:

23   “Being born again (#313 Anagenno), not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.”   KJV

23   For you have been born again (#313), not of perishable seed, but of imperishable, through the living and enduring word of God.   NIV

The two words used in verse 23 are not the same as used in Matthew;       Peter is describing a different event and uses a different word;  #313 Anangenno;   meaning “To beget again”.   Peter is talking about an altogether different spiritual event; this is not the 2^nd birth to Spirit but the receiving of the Holy Spirit of God the Father at the laying on of hands:  receiving the Holy SEED of God the FATHER.  

The Saints are being  begotten  (impregnated) not of corruptible physical seed as in their mother’s womb but of the incorruptible SEED, the Holy Spirit of God the Father which is now in them and will bring them to full maturation and to the 2^nd spiritual birth as immortal Spirit.

Peter uses the term ‘incorruptible  SEED” to describe the Spirit of God the Father. The Father’s Spirit is Holy and is placed in us at the laying on of hands as a SEED:  His Holy Spirit is that  Seed that spiritual - ‘sperm’ – that when placed in a repentant person must then grow and finally bring us to full term and to a spiritual birth  into immortal SPIRIT and into the exact image of GOD the Father and His Son Jesus Christ.

If you claim to be born again are you “incorruptible” at this very moment?   No you are not incorruptible you are still flesh and blood otherwise how could Paul say those in the grave will be raised incorruptible?   

You;  your corruptible flesh and blood physical dead body will be buried and return to dust?   Verse 24 below is a perfect explanation of what you are at death.

24  “For all flesh [is] as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away: .”

#313 &  #1080 are two different words.

Strong’s Concordance

#313 Anangenno – to beget again

#1080 gennáō – properly, beget (procreate a descendant), produce offspring; (passive) be born, “begotten.”

Yes these can be confusing words, but a women is either pregnant and with child or has given birth to that child, it is one or the other.  Our Father is bringing forth His Sons, Sons of GOD, from a temporary life form of flesh and blood.  From the dust of the ground and then by a spiritual birth God’s sons are being created in His Holy  image to join Him in His immortal Family.

The first step in the process of being born is the mother is impregnated by seed thus is with child and after 9 months gives birth. 

God’s plan of salvation is bringing many sons to glory and when those the Father is “calling” —  are impregnated with the Holy Spirit, impregnation by that  Holy Seed they become  spiritual fetus’s.  Those Spiritual fetuses will be born at the first resurrection into immortal Spirit, born again but this time in to eternity.

When a person, called by God, repents of transgressing the Commandments, is submersed into that watery grave by baptism and by the laying on of Hands receives the Father’s Holy Spirit that person is begotten (impregnated) with the Divine Holy Spirit of God the Father, The Father’s Divine Seed.

That person has becomes a spiritual fetus, the Salvation process begins and continues until that person dies or perchance lives until the return of Jesus Christ and is then is Born Again at the First Resurrection as a Spirit Son of God the Father.    God gave us temporary physical bodies and this temporary physical world that we may be taught and trained in HIS Perfect HOLY  WAY  that we may forever live in  HIS HOLY  FAMILY in perfect unity, in ONENESS.

Now John uses the single word Gennao, # 1080  and by not adding #509 ‘from above’ changes the intent.

1 John 2

28   And now, little children, abide in him;  that when he shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him at his coming.

29   If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born (#1080) of him.

29   Since we know that Christ is righteous, we also know that all who do what is right are God’s children.  NLT

The word John used is born or begotten and not ‘born from above’ and explains all those begotten by the Holy Spirit are doing or living in righteousness because they have the Holy Divine Seed, the Holy Spirit of God the Father, in them as Peter above states in verse 23.

1 John 3

8   He that (willfully) committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God [Christ] was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

9   Whosoever is born (#1080) of God doth not commit sin; for (God’s seed) his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot (willfully) sin, because he is born (#1080) of God.

9   No one who is “born” of God — will — continue to  (willfully)  sin, (they repented of sin) because God’s seed remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God.” NIV

No one who has been impregnated with the Holy Spirit will continue to “willful” – sin – knowingly sin!   Because the Divine Seed which is the Holy Spirit is now in them.   They will not continue — in willfully sin – because what they have in them is the Holy spiritual power of God’s Holy Spirit and that Holy Spirit can not dwell in an unholy sinful vessel.   

In our Father’s eyes His Saints are Holy because we have been washed with the blood of Jesus Christ.        If we — willfully  –sin  – after conversion we are aborted from the process of salvation — from which there is no repentance.

Hebrews 10

26  For if — we sin – wilfully —  after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth —-  no more sacrifice for sins,

I did not create nor make up the doctrine of “willfully” sinning, I learned it from the Apostle Paul.

Luke 24: 49  “And, behold, I send the  promise  of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high.” 

On Pentecost the Holy Spirit came on the Apostles and disciples for the first time.  Until Pentecost the Apostle and disciples were unconverted.   This was the promise of the Father to be clothed with power from on high.   Read Acts 2; 16 – 18, this was spoken by the prophet Joel,  “to pour out MY SPIRIT.”   The power from on high is not a third person –a foolish  ‘ghost’ – it is the very Divine HOLY Nature of God the Father,  His Divine Seed dwelling in us –  giving the converted Saints the spiritual Power to live by every WORD of GOD.

The Holy Divine Spiritual Nature of God the Father imparts the  Divine WILL  and the desire  to not continue in sin. The Circumcision without hands is removing our carnal human nature and the Holy Spirit of the Father begins the process of replacing our carnal nature with the Father’s Holy Righteous Divine Nature. This process is called the circumcision without hands.

10   In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

10   This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not God’s child, nor is anyone who does not love their brother and sister.

This it seems is foolishly or willfully over looked by all who hate the Law of God:  we are told we can know who the TRUE children of God are because they will be living in righteousness, and righteousness is living by God’s Law.    

Psalms 119: 172   “My tongue shall speak of thy Word:     for all thy commandments are Righteousness.”

1 John 4

7  Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born (#1080) of God, and knoweth God.

7  Dear friends, let us love one another, for love comes from God. Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God

“Love”  is the keeping of the Commandments, see vs. 2 & 3 below.   The Spirit begotten Sons of God will be showing and demonstrating love by obeying the Commandments of God.

1 John 5: 1 – 4, 18

1  Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born (#1080) of God: and every one that loveth him that begat (#1080) loveth {5725} him also that is begotten (#1080) of him. 

2  By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.

3  For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

4  For whatsoever is born (#1080) of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, [even] our faith (trust in the Holy nature of God).

18  We know that whosoever is born (#1080) of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten (#1080) of God keepeth (to guard) himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

Verse 18 states those begotten of God do not willfully sin but keepeth or watches out for themselves so the wicked one, Satan, can not tempt them and draw them in to sin.

All of the scripture above written by the Apostle John confirms every one that has been given the gift of the Holy Spirit of the Father is begotten or impregnated with that HOLY Seed which imparts the Holy Perfect Righteous and Divine Nature of God the Father by the indwelling of HIS Spirit.

The Holy Spirit, applying a physical comparison, is the Holy Divine Spiritual ‘DNA’ of the Father.  The Father’s Spirit  IS  life and  His very ‘essence’ in us imparts to us Eternal Life.   God is Spirit and so shall we be Spirit, we shall be partakers of that ONE SPIRIT.   There is only  ONE SPIRIT;  Ephesians 4:  4.

When Jesus Christ was baptized by John the Baptist and His Father laid hands on Jesus by sending His Holy Spirit descending like a dove and lighting upon Jesus, was Jesus then “Born Again”?      Can you find one scripture stating Jesus Christ was ever Born Again?   Where does it say being born again occurs at baptism and if not at baptism, then when? The only uses of the term in the Word of God are shown above.

Christ, GOD, became flesh and blood and as such He gave up His physical life by shedding His blood to become our payment for our sins – to become our savior.   Christ also gave up the Holy Spirit and ceased to exist for three days and three nights so we could follow Him into eternal life and then at the First Resurrection be born again as His brothers by that ONE SPIRIT.

I realize if 100 read to this point, maybe one will begin to understand and begin to study to prove for themselves whether this is truth.  The Truth of Scripture can only come to those whom God the Father calls and open their mind by the gift of the indwelling of the Father’s Spirit.   I pray our Father will open your mind to HIS Truth.