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Destined2B I have been thinking about your “message”, about the 'gospel' you teach.

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Destined2B

I have been thinking about your “message” about the gospel you teach – thinking deeply concerning what you and many many others have accepted as truth and teach.

 

 

You are teaching a — “NEW  PATH”   a  “NEW  WAY” that has never been before.

 

If you are honest — YOU will admit that “NEW WAY” you teach is NOT — THE PATH, THAT  WAY Jesus Christ followed during His 3 ½ years of confirming the covenant and neither did the Apostles after His death.

Nothing you teach is in harmony with the teachings of Jesus Christ or with THAT WAY  which HE lived to perfection.   Example; Christ never spoke in “tongues” and never taught others to do so — as do YOU.

The majority of your doctrines come from the letters of Paul and Paul, according to Peter, is hard to understand and they that struggle with and twist Paul’s words are unstable and unlearned and headed for destruction.

Here is this NEW WAY you teach in your own words:

“Those who claim to be under the Old Testament law, are not led by the Spirit of Christ that — reveals – the truth and sets us free”.

 

Do you truly understand what you are teaching? 

 

You are teaching Jesus Christ had to come to “set us free’ from THE HOLY LAW OF GOD,

That very LAW that is proclaimed throughout the entire WORD of GOD from Genesis to Revelation as  —  HOLY,  JUST  AND  GOOD.

Do I really need to post the many scriptures reciting that fact???

You are teaching the LAW Christ lived by perfectly to become our Passover is abolished because it is harsh and evil thus we must be freed from it.

You are teaching Jesus Christ lived by and loved and taught an evil harsh Law and without doubt Christ taught the LAW!

You are teaching “true freedom” is -LAWLESSNESS  i.e without law!

Oh I have heard you proclaim the “new law of Christ” which Jesus Christ quoted from Leviticus and Deuteronomy i.e The TORAH — thus they are NOT NEW  and the Torah lawyer Christ quoted them to was very familiar with those quotes – and told Christ HE answered correctly.

Your so called New law of Christ was given to MOSES while on the mountain with Jesus Christ for 40 days and 40 nights – it ain’t NEW.

—those two foundational Laws are the precepts upon which the entire WORD of God, the New as well as the OLD  was founded i.e  love God and love neighbor.

Those 2 precepts are exactly what the Torah shows mankind they will be doing — IF– they live in accord with the WORD of GOD spoken on the mountain to Moses.

Your “new law” is just an attempt to disobey our Father and His Son as your so called “new law of Christ’ does not give us the details of HOW they are to be performed – I would guess HOW to perform “love” is left up to each individual – isn’t that what you teach??

You destined are teaching what is  found in the OLD Testament is NOT THE TRUTH, Not the WORD of GOD.  AND That Mr. Destined2B is an outright lie.

You are teaching;  that  “WORD” Jesus Christ told Satan we must live by every WORD OF — is  NOT TRUTH and no longer valid.

Your doctrine is a complete reversal of all that is written in the Old Testament and the New as well.

For what you teach to be true    GOD — MUST CHANGE HIS MIND.

6  For I [am] the LORD, —-  I   change   not; — therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

7   Even from the days of your fathers ye are gone away from mine ordinances, and have not kept [them]. Return unto me, and I will return unto you, saith the LORD of hosts. But ye said, Wherein shall we return?

Destined read verse 6 from Malachi 3, if God could or would change HIS mind, change HIS WAY  HE would have destroyed all of the sons of Jacob long ago.

Now think on this:  in verse 7 God says “Return unto ME”, ye are gone away from mine ordinances and have not kept them.

What you teach flies in the face of  “ALL”, every single thing, found in the entirety of the Old Testament.

The accounts of God dealing with Abraham and HIS chosen People from Genesis to Malachi is clearly revealed and explained by the statement of God in verse 7 above —“Even from the days of your fathers ye are gone away from mine ordinances, and have not kept’[them].

For the entirety of the WORD of God — God has pleaded with man “return unto ME and OBEY” and man  responds”:

But they said,We will not walk [therein].

But they said,We will not hearken.

From Adam until right this minute mankind has refused to obey their GOD.

And that is the bottom line of your doctrine –  refusal to obey!

You preach —  “FREEDOM from obeying the LORD our GOD”.

Do you not understand the nature we all inherited from Adam is against God and can never be subject to the authority of  GOD or to HIS HOLY LAW.

Destined do you know what must be – converted – before we are acceptable to God the Father and HIS Son Jesus Christ?

OUR carnal human nature each is born with must be converted, changed.

By the circumcision without hands God is cutting away the  carnal nature of HIS Saints and replacing it with HIS Divine Holy Righteous Perfect lawful Nature.

That is exactly what Jeremiah 31: 33 is stating, the word ‘heart’ is referring to our nature, God the Father is placing with in each one HE calls HIS Divine nature.

Why must our nature be changed??

Because our carnal human nature has for 6000 years informed our GOD:

But they said, We will not walk [therein].

But they said, We will not hearken.

And then you come along and teach – NO !!!   WE DO NOT HAVE TO WALK NOR HEARKEN —- JESUS  “freed”  us from that harsh Law of HIS Father!!     is HE not our FATHER as well?

Destined this quote below is from God’s Prophet Jeremiah:

behold, their ear [is] uncircumcised, and they cannot hearken: behold, the word of the LORD is unto them a reproach; they have no delight in it.

Destined if you have NO DELIGHT IN THE WORD OF THE LORD it is because you have not had your carnal human nature circumcised – AND destined the WORD of the LORD in the days of Jeremiah and Malichi  was only the OLD TESTAMENT.

Destined, the Old Testament IS a reproach to you. You teach against it with every word you write.

Destined what follows is chapter six of Jeremiah,  one of God’s Holy Prophets.

Please read it – and I would hope others following you will read it as well.

1  O ye children of Benjamin, gather yourselves to flee out of the midst of Jerusalem, and blow the trumpet in Tekoa, and set up a sign of fire in Bethhaccerem: for evil appeareth out of the north, and great destruction.

2  I have likened the daughter of Zion to a comely and delicate [woman].

3 The shepherds with their flocks shall come unto her; they shall pitch [their] tents against her round about; they shall feed every one in his place.

4 Prepare ye war against her; arise, and let us go up at noon. Woe unto us! for the day goeth away, for the shadows of the evening are stretched out.

5 Arise, and let us go by night, and let us destroy her palaces.

6 For thus hath the LORD of hosts (armies) said, Hew ye down trees, and cast a mount against Jerusalem: this [is] the city to be visited; she [is] wholly oppression in the midst of her.

7 As a fountain casteth out her waters, so she casteth out her wickedness: violence and spoil is heard in her; before me continually [is] grief and wounds.

8 Be thou instructed, O Jerusalem, lest my soul depart from thee; lest I make thee desolate, a land not inhabited.

Destined do you suppose what God spoke to Jeremiah in verse 8 is no longer valid, no longer true?

God states He will make Jerusalem desolate if they do not accept HIS instruction i.e. HIS LAW.

Now God has changed HIS mind and it is fine to reject His Instruction?   REALLY ?

9 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, They shall throughly glean the remnant of Israel as a vine: turn back thine hand as a grape gatherer into the baskets.

Because all the nations of the House of Israel refuses to REPENT and RETURN their GOD – to this very day – God will make their land desolate and not inhabitable and will sent the remnant into captivity.

 (Jeremiah 25:15-33; Jonah 1:4-10; Acts 27:13-26; Romans 1:18-32)

10 To whom shall I speak, and give warning, that they may hear? behold, their ear [is] uncircumcised, and they cannot hearken: —- behold, the word of the LORD is unto them a reproach; they have no delight in it.

11 Therefore I am full of the fury of the LORD; I am weary with holding in: I will pour it out upon the children abroad, and upon the assembly of young men together: for even the husband with the wife shall be taken, the aged with [him that is] full of days.

Why is God full of fury??  Why will the young men, husband and wife and the aged  BE TAKEN??

Because they will not delight in the WORD of the LORD and it is actually a REPROACH to them and to you Destined.

And now you teach that WORD is ABOLISHED and if you obey the Old Testament  Law the spirit of Christ is not in you??   REALLY ??   God after sending both the House of Israel and the House of Judah into captivity for the second time and after destroying both nations — God now changes HIS MIND and it is fine now not to  —“DELIGHT IN HIS WORD??”

Is that not, in fact,  what you teach destined?

12 And their houses shall be turned unto others, [with their] fields and wives together: for I will stretch out my hand upon the inhabitants of the land, saith the LORD.

13 For from the least of them even unto the greatest of them every one [is] given to covetousness; and from the prophet even unto the priest every one dealeth falsely.

Coveting is the 10th Commandment.

14  They have healed also the hurt [of the daughter ] of my people slightly, saying, Peace, peace; when [there is] no peace.

This prophecy is just ahead, maybe even this year.

15 Were they ashamed when they had committed abomination?nay,they were not at all ashamed, neither could they blush: therefore they shall fall among them that fall: at the time [that] I visit them they shall be cast down, saith the LORD.

Destined with “no shame” you teach others the Law had to be abolished so you all can be freed from the authority of GOD.

God rules over HIS Creation by HIS LAW. Destine can any nation exist long without rightous laws?

16 Thus saith the LORD, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for —-the old paths,where [is] the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls. —- But they said, —– We will not walk [therein].

17 Also I set watchmen over you, [saying], Hearken to the sound of the trumpet.  — But they said, —–We will not hearken.

18  Therefore hear, ye nations, and know, O congregation, what [is] among them.

19 Hear, O earth: behold, I will bring evil upon this people, [even] the fruit of their thoughts, because they have not hearkened unto my words, nor to my law, —–  but rejected it.

Destined read closely verses 16 -19 God is bringing evil upon the whole House of Jacob and the earth and WHY?  Because they do not want that — OLD PATH — they scream to be free to follow your  NEW LAW OF CHRIST !

Utter destruction is coming from God because we have rejected HIS LAW!  Yes that same LAW you teach against and demand to be freed from.

Do you think the WORDS of God in verse 19 above have been abolished and Jesus has forced the Father to repent of what HE has determined to do to those that REJECT HIS LAW?

Destined Jesus Christ IS — THE WORD of GOD,– these words above are HIS WORDS spoken as instructed by His Father, the SON and the FATHER are in total agreement in all things.

They both agree with what has been prophesied to occur in verse 19.  Christ ONLY speaks and does the WILL of HIS Father.

20 To what purpose cometh there to me incense from Sheba, and the sweet cane from a far country? your burnt offerings [are] not acceptable, nor your sacrifices sweet unto me.

21 Therefore thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will lay stumblingblocks before this people, and the fathers and the sons together shall fall upon them; the neighbour and his friend shall perish.

22 Thus saith the LORD, Behold, a people cometh from the north country, and a great nation shall be raised from the sides of the earth.

You will shortly see this occur; Germany will rise again to become THE world power. Germany is Assyria, “the rod of my anger”.

23 They shall lay hold on bow and spear; they [are] cruel, and have no mercy; their voice roareth like the sea; and they ride upon horses, set in array as men for war against — thee, — O daughter of Zion.

24 We have heard the fame thereof: our hands wax feeble: anguish hath taken hold of us, [and] pain, as of a woman in travail.

 25  Go not forth into the field, nor walk by the way; for the sword of the enemy [and] fear [is] on every side.

26 O daughter of my people, gird [thee] with sackcloth, and wallow thyself in ashes: make thee mourning, [as for] an only son, most bitter lamentation: for the spoiler shall suddenly come upon us.

27 I have set thee [for] a tower [and] a fortress among my people, that thou mayest know and try their way.

28  They [are] all grievous revolters, walking with slanders: [they are] brass and iron; they [are] all corrupters.

29  The bellows are burned, the lead is consumed of the fire; the founder melteth in vain: for the wicked are not plucked away.

30  Reprobate silver shall [men] call them, because the LORD hath rejected them.

For all of the above destined you will not repent – your ears are as yet uncircumcised and your forehead as iron.



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    • Truthseeker

      Let me clarify my statement below.

      “You are teaching a — “NEW PATH” a “NEW WAY” that has never been before.”

      Lawlessness has been from the beginning but complete lawlessness passed off as the “Way of Christ’ is a relatively new teaching to me.

      Thus stating “Those who claim to be under the Old Testament law, are not led by the Spirit of Christ — that — reveals – the truth and sets us free”

      teaching we must be freed from the evil bond of Old Testament Law which is not of the Spirit of Christ and thus the law is evil —- is relatively new as far as i can tell.

      Destined is teaching to be “free” we must be freed from the evil bonds of the commandments that state fornication, murder, lying, lusting etc..

      I do not recall hearing anyone say the commandments are so evil we must be freed from the obligation to obey them.

      • maxwell

        …The law has been fulfilled in the body of Christ. I know you believe that’s not fair at all…You didn’t get any warning. That’s what happens to Zionist pretenders…So busy with your rituals, you missed it.

        …So you don’t believe you are a part of the ‘body of Christ’? That inherits The promises of Israel. Who are the ‘HOUSE of ISRAEL’? seeker?

        • Truthseeker

          to bad max you do not know how to research words in Strongs that word also means to fill to the full, to complete, it was only physical and Christ filled it to the full by filling it with the Spiritual Law — it is now physical and spiritual, the Law is now complete..

          max the Sabbath, the Holy Feasts “of” GOD are not rituals they are not traditions of men they are GOD’s DAYS

          Max I have known from 1968 who the nations of the House of Israel are and it is upon these nations the Time of Jacob’s Trouble will come because they have refused to obey.

          Have you ever read the 1903 book by J.H. Allen entitled “JUDAH’S SCEPTER AND JOSEPH’S BIRTHRIGHT”?

          • maxwell

            …Fulfilled, seeker…The Law is now complete…exactly my point in this soiree’.

            …The Sabbath and holy feasts, are GOD”S DAYS…If you were really in the body of Christ you would know that every day with Christ, is a day with God….

            …’Max I have known from 1968 who the nations of the House of Israel are and it is upon these nations the Time of Jacob’s Trouble will come because they have refused to obey…
            ….There’s another thing with you…always making blanket judgments. Christ promised his people a blanket of protection…House of Israel are the descendants of Eth ha Adahm, himself. Don’t make it a moral judgement. Body of Christ, has the Holy Spirit. Can’t touch that!!

            • b4

              lots of bullshit from the biggest fools on bin–love it when the insane start attacking the insane..great entertainment–bunch of idiots,liars…but god still loves all his childish babes even though the rest of us think they are fools,morons…

    • Teresa

      *standing ovation* Well Said.
      The Written Law for the Old Testament
      The Living Word for the New Testament :wink:

    • Truthseeker

      Max why do you keep on repeating the same old worthless phrases that can not be found in the “Word and ignore the scriptures that prove you have not one clue of what the Word of God teaches.

      Ah? is it because your stuff can not be proven by the WORD? YEP

      • maxwell

        …Well, keep watching…

      • maxwell

        …Its all in the scripture…You just can’t accept Christ as YHVH, so nothing you can interpret can be correct. You don’t have the whole picture…even though its been available for quite a while.
        …I am perfectly comfortable in my belief. I KNOW Christ is God. but thanks for your misplaced concern.

        • Truthseeker

          max

          “I KNOW Christ is God.”

          So does Satan but he also refuses to OBEY!

          “Why call you ME LORD LORD and do not the things I say”

          Max you can continue to ignore the words of Christ, you can continue to call HIS WORD traditions and rituals and what ever — but the day is coming very soon when you will wish you had obeyed HIS word to the letter.

          22 And Samuel said, Hath the LORD as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices——- as in obeying the voice of the LORD? — Behold, — to obey is better than sacrifice, — and to hearken than the fat of rams.

          23 For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the LORD, he hath also rejected thee from being king.

          Max YOU HAVE REJECTED THE WORD OF THE LORD over and over you close your mind to HIS WORD.

          Please do not bother to reply — we both know what you are doing as does the Master.

          • maxwell

            …You are wrong. and damn proud of it.

            • Truthseeker

              Max did Jesus Christ make the statement?

              “Why call you ME LORD LORD and do not the things I say”

              Max are you doing what Christ has told those that follow HIM to do??

              If not — you are rejecting the LORD and Master. PERIOD

              Why is that wrong?

            • Damien

              The DEOMON Troothytits

              Nothing you are ranting about means anything DEMON

              You reject the LORD when you reject that there is no Israel outside of Judah (Christ).

              You are the DEMON the LORD condemned.

            • maxwell

              …we’re never gonna come to terms, truthseeker. But I’ll tell you what I think about it…I think you need to go about your business…saving yourself. You don’t have enough time to subvert all of us. Work on that old soul of yours…You need to pay more attention to your own uneducated butt…and less on those YOU disagree with.
              …I don’t believe YOU listen to Christ. He’s here in the Holy Spirit, and YOU deny it. I am 100% faithful to the teachings of Christ in every way. I am sure your Earthly POV will deny this, too.
              …Your fighting the same things your pharisee progenitors, fought in Jerusalem, when Christ threatened their ‘religion’.

          • maxwell

            …Seeker…Just for you:
            .JUDAIZERS – Ref: Nelson’s Illustrated Bible Dictionary

            [joo dee EYE zurs]– early converts to Christianity who tried to force believers from non-Jewish backgrounds to adopt Jewish customs as a condition of salvation. Evidence of this movement within the early church first emerged about A. D. 49, when “certain men came down from Judea and taught the brethren, ‘Unless you are circumcised according to the custom of Moses, you cannot be saved’” (Acts 15:1).

            The apostle Paul denounced this idea, insisting that only one thing is necessary for salvation: faith in the Lord Jesus Christ (Acts 15:1-29). In the letter to the Galatians, Paul continued this same argument, insisting that the believer is justified by faith alone. To become a new person in Christ is to be set free from the requirements of the Jewish law: “For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision avails anything, but a new creation” (Gal. 6:)
            …J

            • maxwell

              …So…TRUTHseeker…You are doing exactly what YOU accuse me of…disregarding “scripture”. Maybe you’re like ‘sharon Jorgan’, and discount all of PAUL’s testimony…Is that it?
              …sounds hypocritical to me…what do you think?

            • Truthseeker

              MAX I do not know why I should bother to answer.

              Max if you do not understand who spoke the Torah to Moses you certainly will not understand circumcision.

              And you reject every scripture I quote — so why bother.

            • Damien

              The DEMON Troothytits

              If one is in Christ one is already circumcised.

              Only a DEMON not in Christ (Judah) desiring false equal sanctity to Christ (Judah) while being outside Him would demand circumcision as a celebration ofhis DEMONIC abscence of faith.

            • Damien

              Proudly

              TESTIFYING

              to his lack of faith

    • Truthseeker

      destined

      Is it not time to bring in the “big guns”,, is it not time to refute the logic, is it not time to refute the scriptures and facts used to reveal you are not teaching God’s TRUTH?

      • maxwell

        Seeker…You’re a lying Hypocrite, Honor your favorite ‘old testament” scriptures and while ignoring the new testament scriptures that don’t fit with YOUR version…beautiful…The NEW testament has superceded.
        …So you are done…unless you want to call Paul a fraud…go ahead…there are a lot of Judeaizers, that don’t accept Paul’s writings for the same reason…You’ve been SHOWN to be a hypocritical fool of the most egregious type…self righteous, and ready to blaspheme the New Testament. what a POS you turned out to be, Holy Man….
        …You really should know this stuff better than that…How long you been at this? You’re either lazy or stupid..Or purposely being misleading.

        • Truthseeker

          maxwell

          I am beginning to suspect you have a screw or two very loose– I quote the Words of Christ and Paul which destroys your religious version and you just ignore the clear words of Christ and Paul and then you accuse me of being ready to blaspheme the new testament ???

          • maxwell

            …seeker… I know who you are, and I don’t believe you have any biblical truth in your entire being..Without acknowledging that Christ and YHVH are one being…NONE of your interpretations can be trusted. I’ve shown you several scriptures that you have ignored…purposely, because they have scriptural authenticity and are the exact opposite of what you express. I won’t trust you for anything for any reason…I will hound you every time for YOUR Judaeizing…You are antichristian. You don’t KNOW Christ. YOUR MESSIAH IS YET TO COME.
            …I don’t think anything has disappointed more than you have, here on this site.
            …You are not an honest man…and YOU are working an agenda. You’re ruined.

            …Oh, and by the way…I’ve never claimed any kind of mental/emotional ‘normalcy’.

            • Truthseeker

              max quoted scriptures are not my interpretations.

              The WORDS of Jesus Christ — ARE THE WORDS OF CHRIST.

            • maxwell

              …I’ve said several times, that, without your total commitment to Christ, everything you write, say and even think is suspect. You are trying your best to bring any of us, down to the Zionist, unforgiven, debasement that you live in.
              …I stopped taking you seriously…Your knowledge of the scriptures, is very short…you can find the exact scripture you need, i bet, any time you see any weakness of conviction…You just don’t know what ANY of it really means.
              …You’re not aware of our “spiritual” history, and, that IS what the whole book is about. You would have to have, an “out of body”, experience to understand where I come from, and why I believe you are a dangerous devil. purposely anti-christian…and so authoritatively against the Christ, I could puke.
              …I don’t believe you don’t WANT to KNOW about the New Covenant…Its not religious, enough for you. Somewhere in you, you know you are full of envy… of the anointed. Those of us who walk in the grace of God. Those of us who have NEVER strayed…Those of us, judged in the first age…before the foundations of the earth. Those of us who never have needed traditions or ritual, to be with our Savior, our GOD, Jesus Christ.
              …You’d best be ready to bend your knee to God…Christ.

    • jknbt

      Christians are not under the law of the Jews…Col. 2:9-23 plainly says so…

      that does not mean Christianity is lawless…the ethic is the perfect law of love in Christ: see http://www.thefamilyinternational.org/en/about/our-beliefs/gods-law-love/

      the laws before the Mosaic law still apply…law of common sense, natural law, universal spiritual laws…these were given before the Mosaic law and have never been set aside. Examples of universal law: “you reap what you sow”, golden rule, law of attraction…universal laws apply to all religions…

      Christians have a higher level of accountability than any other religion under the law of perfect love…

      If you are trying to be sanctified and serve the Lord under the law of Moses, you have fallen from grace (Gal. 5:4), and have become a foolish Galatian. Nobody makes it to heaven by the Law.

      I appreciate your zeal, Mr. Truthseeker, but you err. You should change your handle to “Truth-Avoider”.

      • Truthseeker

        jknbt

        the Word of God and the words of Jesus Christ in Matthew, Mark, Luke and John all prove that is a LIE taught by folks that are not following Jesus Christ.

        JKNBT first off;

        it is NOT THE LAW OF THE JEWS, it is the same exact LAW that Abraham obeyed and Abraham is a Hebrew and NOT A JEW.

        5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

        JKNBT please refer to Strong’s and check out the Hebrew word used for LAW and you will find it is TORAH.

        Here in Matthew 23 Christ tells HIS disciples to follow what the scribes (Torah lawyers) and the Pharisees who were in charge of the Temple tell them to do.

        1Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,

        2 Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat:

        3 —–All —- therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, —– that observe and do; —- (DO) but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.

        Jesus Christ just told His disciples to observe the Torah—-”OBSERVE AND DO”!!!!

        I will not change my “handle” nor will I follow the way of so called christians

        • Damien

          The DEMON Troothytits

          HEBREW is NOT used in the New Testament

    • maxwell

      ……Seeker…Just for you:
      .JUDAIZERS – Ref: Nelson’s Illustrated Bible Dictionary

      [joo dee EYE zurs]– early converts to Christianity who tried to force believers from non-Jewish backgrounds to adopt Jewish customs as a condition of salvation. Evidence of this movement within the early church first emerged about A. D. 49, when “certain men came down from Judea and taught the brethren, ‘Unless you are circumcised according to the custom of Moses, you cannot be saved’” (Acts 15:1).

      The apostle Paul denounced this idea, insisting that only one thing is necessary for salvation: faith in the Lord Jesus Christ (Acts 15:1-29). In the letter to the Galatians, Paul continued this same argument, insisting that the believer is justified by faith alone. To become a new person in Christ is to be set free from the requirements of the Jewish law: “For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision avails anything, but a new creation”

      • Truthseeker

        max

        I was not going to comment on this BUT — you offer me the “opinion” of Nelson’s bible dictionary????

        Show me the WORDS of Jesus Christ. I care not at all for what men say, you should know that by now.

        • maxwell

          …yeah…I bet its just great…

          • maxwell

            …I asked for help with you, and what I got is this: You can’t put NEW wine into old bottles…or the old bottle be marred.

            • b4

              you all are so full of shit and god is laughing his ass off at all your insane bullshit–pathetic nonsense and you guys all believe your silly bs–great entertainment

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