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When We See Jesus Face to Face

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By Joseph Chambers / Paw Creek Ministries

 

1 John 3

Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.

Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.

 

      Can you imagine “seeing Jesus Christ face to face?” Think of the magnificence of His glorious presence as the Resurrected Son of God. John was blinded by Him in Revelation Chapter One. The three chosen disciples that beheld Him on the Mount of Transfiguration were overwhelmed by the brilliance of His presence. Believe me when we see Him it will be breathtaking.

     Those two encounters with His glory are but an incomplete account of His Heavenly light. He is eternal and He is the Creator and all creation is but a shadow of His glory. He speaks and things that are not, instantly appear. The sun came from His spoken word. If He can speak a universe into being and call forth all the host of Heaven then He must be beyond all grasp or explanation. What is awaiting us is more than words can muster.

When We See Jesus “Face to Face”

  1. See the Son of God in all His glory, no veil, unprotected Divinity, awesome!
  2. It will be seeing God, plain and simple.
  3. He will know you by your earthly name and will know every act or devotion you wrought for Him.
  4. He will know every sacrifice, every time you stood the test and kept the faith.
  5. His love over you will leave you sobbing with overcoming joy.
  6. When He speaks to you it will be like waves of Heavenly splendor.
  7. The Paradise where you see Him will be surreal and Divine.
  8. He will face to face to the Father’s face confess you as His beloved.
  9. He will give you a new name that only is known to you and Him.
  10. He will wipe away every sorrow of your earthly life. All heartache    will vanish forever.
  11. He will reach to an angel for your crown and place it on your    head. “You will probably reach for it to place it at His feet but He will stop you, “No you are to wear it forever.”
  12. Jesus will praise you for the souls you have won and bring them to stand together with you.
  13. Every time you have shared His suffering on the cross will be remembered and rewarded. “You have got to die like he died.”
  14. He will share in joy your sacrifice when others have wounded you and you kept on loving them.
  15. He is going to give each person a place of authority in the Millennium Reign on this earth. We will be kings, governors, priests, and members of the ruling bodies. The world will be under our authority and we under His authority.

     This book is the Revelation of Jesus Christ at the highest level.  He, in all of His redemptive person, is the mountain peak of the book.  While He and His Father are equal in all matters of the Godhead in this book, He is the revelation of redemption for the entire universe.  In the end the Father will be all in all because Christ will deliver the kingdom to Him.  There are many created beings that have a place in this book with the Son, His Father, and the Holy Spirit, but, second to the glory of our God is the glory of His saints.  The four beasts are certainly glorious as His Cherubim that are always present when the Father is directing judgment and special activities on His earth.  I will call them living creatures or Cherubim as this article progresses.  There are other angels that participate and literally multitudes that ring the entire proceedings with their presence, but His saints are the reason for the book.

     “Christ unveiled” has often been the first description of the Book of Revelation.  It is indeed “a taking off of the cover” of the glories of the Son of God, but it is more.  It is the removing of the veil from Him and from His stupendous plans and prophecies of His works of redemption and judgments and the glory to follow.  His total plan for His saints is almost as glorious as He is because it is His glory shares with His Bride.  The first chapter reveals His personal glory as the foundation to reveal all the glories of His coming revelation.  Never in any one chapter of the entire Word of God has any one person been described with so many adjectives and titles.

Name Above All Names

     The Father has given His victorious Son a “name above every name” and this chapter of God’s masterpiece begins with a divine description.  Forty-three adjectives and nouns are used to present Him to His chosen saints and His church.  Every one of those descriptions was meant for His revelation to us.  All the majesty that fills this book must have a divine foundation, and He is that foundation.  In these titles and descriptions, He builds a super structure of a holy house of literature that the words that create that house might carry us to the New Jerusalem of perfect existence and fulfillment.  There is nothing about this house of words that is not divine and literal.  It is all intended to be His story.  Truth must flow out of Him because He is the Word of God.  This foundational chapter, chapter one, represents the greatest display of His character, His triumph, and His glories ever revealed to humankind.  It is breathtaking!

     Let’s read them without comment.  “… from Jesus Christ … Who is the faithful witness … the first begotten of the dead … the prince of the kings of the earth … that loved us … washed us from our sins … in His own blood …  He cometh with clouds … every eye shall see Him … they also which pierced Him … all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of Him … I am … Alpha… Omega … the beginning… the ending … saith the Lord, … which is … which was … which is to come … the Almighty … I am Alpha … Omega … the first … the last … the Son of man … clothed with a garment down to the foot … girt about the paps with a golden girdle … His head and His hairs were white like wool … His eyes were as a flame of fire … His feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace … His voice as the sound of many waters … in His right hand seven stars … out of His mouth went a sharp two-edged sword … His countenance was as the sun shineth in His strength … I am the first and the last … I am He that liveth, and was dead … behold, I am alive for evermore … Amen … and have the keys of hell and of death.”  (Revelation 1:5-18) “Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter;” (Revelation 1:19) and send them to the churches.

     No such comprehensive description of Christ is found elsewhere in the Bible.  He intended that we take this Book as our battle cry and fill our world with the hope of both Him and the pattern to our future.  To even consider the church filled with joy and the Holy Ghost without Him and His plans for our future is mindless.  Those are the two things this great work of literary beauty is all about.  The first verse sets the purpose in stone.  “The Revelation (unveiling) of Jesus Christ, which God (Father) gave unto him, to shew unto his servants (church) things (events) which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:” (Revelation 1:1).

John 20

The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.

Then she runneth, and cometh to Simon Peter, and to the other disciple, whom Jesus loved, and saith unto them, They have taken away the Lord out of the sepulchre, and we know not where they have laid him.

The Lord In The Midst Of His Church

     While chapter one lifts our Lord Jesus Christ to the pinnacle of His glory, chapters two and three establish that His heart is His church and He is constantly in their midst.  He is seated on the Father’s right hand, but by His Spirit – the omnipresent person of Him and His Father – He walks in the midst of His church.  He beholds us; He intercedes for us; He defends us against every enemy; He hears our prayers with the Father; He directs His Spirit and all His gifts; He calls and sends, and then goes before us in all matters of His church and His saints.

     He begins the first letter to His churches by stating clearly His awesome presence.  “Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write; These things saith he that holdeth the seven stars in his right hand, who walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks;”  (Revelation 2:1). It is only to Ephesus that He clarifies the unity of this seven and made the seven letters a united message.  He takes His very introduction unto Ephesus and then closes all seven letters with an equally uniting phrase, “Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me” (Revelation 3:20). These seven letters will be made a united whole in Revelation chapters two and three.

     Let me introduce a chart to help you see the progression of His titles that set the order of the book.  Everything about the Book of Revelation is chronological; it is a story and cannot be misunderstood unless the chronology is broken.  The first chart sets the overall pattern and the progression Him end times events from the church age to His Golden City and helps to keep the pattern strong and clear.  Then, comes the Master Himself and His revelations.  This is the foundation and establishes His purpose.  He is the centrality of the book.

The Lord As The Lamb of God

From Revelation chapter four (Revelation 4:1), the Lord Jesus Christ is pictured as the Lamb of God and is called “Lamb” or “Lamb of God” twenty-one times between that point and Revelation chapter nineteen, verse nine (Revelation 19:9). This becomes His title (The Lamb) because His position suddenly progresses to the Great Judicial Kinsman Redeemer. The right to take possession of this earth and to return it to its rightful owners is a redemptive matter and that right was won by the sacrifices of the cross and His broken body.  The first rendering of this Lamb before the raptured multitude and the Heavenly Host that will participate in the great seven years of righteous judgment was as a “Lamb as it had been slain” (Revelation 5:6).

     That rendering also included this Lamb having seven horns and seven eyes, which shows the Lamb in His redemptive visit to the earth, where He was filled with the Spirit without measure.  This same anointing by the Spirit is again mightily active during this great period of cleansing the earth.  Everytime you see the term “Lamb” from chapter five to chapter nineteen, verse nine, the presence of the Lamb includes the presence of the Holy Spirit as seven horns and seven eyes.  Every act of the Lamb is possessed by the omnipotent power (seven horns) and the omniscient wisdom (seven eyes) manifest by the Holy Spirit.

     This is an awesome picture and story of the Son of God.  It is impossible not to conclude that the entire scene has changed from His role and title as “Lord of the Church” to the “Lamb of Judicial Redemption.”  Nothing is said of Him, nor is any rendering of Him by title or action from this point in this masterpiece, Book of Revelation, to show Him present in His body, the church.  While, presently, He walks in the midst of the seven candlesticks, and this continues until the end of Revelation chapter three, the total expression of our Lord is now to prepare for His saints’ future.  The Rapture has occurred and from John’s welcome, “Come up hither!”  (Revelation 4:1), the Son of God is with the saints and together they are redeeming and cleansing this earth for the glory to come.

     The word church is never used after the seven churches were addressed by seven letters in Revelation chapters two and three.  The word churches is later used one time as the Lord refers to the churches concerning the total content of this great book.  “I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.”  (Revelation 22:16).  It is clear that this is the Lord’s complete endorsement of the total revelation and a command to take the Book of Revelation seriously, even as infallible truth.

Luke 24

And they found the stone rolled away from the sepulchre.

And they entered in, and found not the body of the Lord Jesus.

And it came to pass, as they were much perplexed thereabout, behold, two men stood by them in shining garments:

And as they were afraid, and bowed down their faces to the earth, they said unto them, Why seek ye the living among the dead?

The Lord As The Mighty Warrior

     The Lamb of God becomes the mighty warrior just as soon as the seven years of cleansing and the redemption of the earth are complete. The earth cannot be the eternal kingdom of God until sin is perfectly judged and every vestige of Satan and his false trinity is vanquished.  The devil’s Antichrist and his false prophet must be taken by a great and mighty warrior and cast into the Lake of Fire.  The Lamb of God has shown that His perfect sacrifice was a finished work, but now He must act as the victorious king.  The Son of God quickly changes His role and title.  We have not seen any of this great description of Him since the church was caught up at the beginning of chapter four, but now He and His church are returning to this earth to establish His kingdom.

     Jesus was called “Alpha and Omega” in Revelation chapter one and He is called “Alpha and Omega” again in Revelation chapter twenty-one, verse six (Revelation 21:6). He was called the “First and the Last” to the church at Smyrna (Revelation 2:8), but not called that again until chapter twenty-two, verse thirteen (Revelation 22:13). The Son of God was called “Faithful” in Revelation chapter three, verse fourteen (Revelation 3:14) to the Church of Laodicea and again called “Faithful” in chapter nineteen, verse eleven (Revelation 19:11). Of course, He was all those great titles and descriptions throughout the seven years of Tribulation from Revelation chapter six to Revelation chapter nineteen, but the titles were roles of His priesthood over His body, the church, but not applicable to His administration of the judgments of the earth.  All of these great titles, and where they are used, help us see the beautiful chronology of God’s masterpiece of Revelation.  This house of literature is perfect in every detail.

     He mounts His white stallion, gives a call of His elders to join Him – they too are provided with white horses – and the time to settle earth’s conflict is come.  The Lamb will never cease to be the Lamb, but now the title of the victorious Redeemer must fit the task at hand.  “And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.  And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.  And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.  And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.  And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.”  (Revelation 19:11-16)  In these short verses, He carries fifteen titles and descriptions together.  Each of them is applicable to the role He will now fulfill as the earth’s inhabitants are subdued and His kingdom of righteousness is established on this earth.  Every possible conflict against a righteous kingdom must be firmly adjudicated so that there will be no doubt of His kingdom success over the entire cosmos.

Acts 1

And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.

10 And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel;

11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.

The King of Kings and The Lord of Lords

For one thousand years, the Son of God, along with His Jewish family and the blood-washed saints, will rule the earth. “… but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.” (Revelation 20:6b). The disciples were absolutely convinced that Jesus Christ was going to set up the kingdom of God on earth when He was training them to be His apostles.  They still held to the hope of freedom from Rome even after the resurrection.  “When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel? And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.”  (Acts 1:6-7).  But the time of the earthly kingdom was future and the business of Jesus Christ was to birth His church and then set the promise of the kingdom at the appointed time.

     Daniel prophesied of this great future kingdom after the judgments were complete.  “And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.”  (Daniel 2:44)  He added to this promise in another interpretation.  “Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.” “And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.”  (Daniel 7:22,27).  The Son of God, Faithful and True, eyes as a flame of fire, clothed with a vesture dipped in blood, the Word of God, out of His mouth a two-edged sword, King of kings, and Lord of lords, along with His saints, is going to rule the world in righteousness.

The Lord As Bridegroom

The eternal roles and titles of the Lord Jesus Christ will be everything He has ever represented, plus he will be the Bridegroom of His chosen jewels, His bride. No name given to Him can be excluded because He is the name above every name.  Studying the Book of Revelation shows clearly that this unveiling of Him unites every title He has worn from Genesis, where He was the Word of God in creation, to the Book of Revelation, where He is the eternal Bridegroom.  The city of New Jerusalem was His creation of ultimate value and beauty.  Nothing in the past of created value can compare to this prize prepared for His bride.  The present world knows no value with which to compare.  It is the final home for the highest honored of all saints.  Men and women that have sacrificed their lives for Jesus Christ and carried their cross to His glory will dwell with Him in this city for eternity.  This is the highest reward to be offered at the Marriage Supper.

     The last two chapters of this book are the crowning glory of the Holy Scripture.  There is no reasonable way for the Bible to end except as it actually ends.  Our God never does one thing without perfection and this is a perfect conclusion.  This city will adorn the earth like a jewel set in a golden display.  The Father and the Son will become the Light of this city and the beauty of it all will light the entire universe so that there is no need of a sun.  The city will be a temple of worship.  The angels, cherubims, seraphims, and all the saints will find eternal joys together.  Heaven and earth will be a united universe, and His creation will find perfect pleasure in righteousness forever.

     The Book of Revelation is surely a perfect house of words that finishes the Holy Bible in absolute completion.  “In the Beginning was the Word,” (John 1:1) and words have always been God’s choice way to describe His Son. This last book of the Bible is a house of literature, a masterpiece of revelation, and the chronological finality of Holy Scripture.  Jesus is the Word, and this is His last word to His church and His saints.

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    • Light In The Dark Place
      • Anonymous

        Few Christians have met Jesus Christ. Lets explore the meaning of Jesus Christ, ‘ I AM ” the Way, the Life and the Truth, AMEN.

        God gives breath of life to all, Religion is man made, Spirituality, God given.

        God loves us.

    • Firmament Does Exist

      The Name Above All Names was/and is not “Jesus H. Christ as the English letter j is only 400 years old. What Name Above All Names did the apostles and disciples use?
      YAHUWchannon (YAHUW is Covenant Forgiveness, sn-John) 20
      1Now, after the Pesack Passover had passed, early on the First Fruits Sabbath MariYAam and MariYAam Magdalene, while it was still dark, went to the tomb but fell in fear when the earth shook. When they arose, they saw the great stone was rolled away from the tomb door. When MariYAam entered in, His body was not there. As she trembled at this wondering who had taken the body of YAHUW The Master, suddenly an Angel of YAH sat where His body had pain. “I am MikaYAHUW, servant to YAHUW. You seek YAHUW the Savior, the Nazer-Bareith YAHUWAH (Keeper of The Covenant of YAHUWAH). He is not here. He is risen from the dead as He told you. Tell His MalakiYA (servants of YAH), ‘Hurry, for He goes before you into GalilaiYA’.”

      • You\'re busted

        Source doesn’t have a name but bad entities do, especially ones that want you to worship them.

    • goastdale

      It is a biblical fact according to the bibles own figures that last days are the last 70 years of the number of years between BC596…to AD70 = 666 yrs the period of time outlined once as a MAN and once as a BEAST in Daniel Ch 2 & 7 respectively .as the time the 7 fold (7 seals/trumps vials) curse of the law of Moses was poured out on the physical seed of Israel purified until only a spiritual seed was left…

      This is also how we know slam dunk that Muhammad was a false teacher…just like most “bible teaching Christians”…….THE SECOND COMING Thou Fool! “I come quickly” so “Hold fast till i come”… NOT …“in another 2000 yrs I might be coming soon any time now, so hold fast”!?! …those that deny the second coming of Christ in that first generation are practicing a damnable heresy in denying the lord that bought them ( 2Peter 2:1-2 ;2Tim 4:8)…….Mat 7:23..”I NEVER KNEW YOU” …..Mat 10:33. But whosoever shall deny me before men……..sound familiar?…. ……. If I said I am coming to your house in this generation when these things happen but no one knows the day or hour what fool would think I might be coming in 2000 years latter!?!? ..2 Tim 4: 4. And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be TURNED UNTO FABLES.

      Gal 1: 8. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

      The book of Revelation offers us an interesting Theological dilemma. It states Rev 22:16. I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. Revelation also states it is “the true sayings” of Jesus and that it is “the testimony of Christ”. If this is not “the gospel of Jesus Christ” then what is it and should we consider it accursed testimony of an angel? If it is not to be considered accursed, then it cannot be some other gospel message then what was already given previously. However, this is the conundrum, for if this is the gospel message, then why do so few understand it? There is a possibility which few consider but is the overall thesis of this apology. The reason people don’t understand revelation is because they never understood what the gospel message was in the first place! In that case, where does that put those who claim it is not essential for salvation? Do you not find it quite curious that the most “Personally” given NT book By Jesus himself, is the least understood and given the least importance for Salvation in Christendom?….There are numerous preachers and bible exegetes but as Paul said “… I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge” . Most who profess the name of Christ are feeding on doctrines of devils and the ignorant.. There are, without question, many “qualified” teachers and scholars with many years of “dedication” and “solid education”. However, teachers, no matter how well lettered or numbered in degrees; if obtained from others; who are just as equally ignorant in such matters, are just “ blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.”………………

      Revelation the First Gospel of the Kingdom
      978-1-4907-0590-3 (ISBN)

      Those looking for a physical return of Christ and your physical body to “leave the dirt” resurrected (1Cor 15:36-37) you are carnal mined & or living in prov 26:12

      DAY OF THE LORD”/ YEAR OF THE LORD – does NOT last for 24 hours!?!..Also means the day of resurrection & judgment do not last for one hour or one day either! They only begin (NOT END) in a certain hour & on a certain 24 hour day ….”SUN OF RIGHTEOUSNESS to arise”…..NOT..”come & get (your new resurrected body) it while it is still hot, only 24 hours of solar power left”!?!

      https://www.scribd.com/doc/308485609/Day-of-Lord-Not-24-Hours-I-Come-Quickly

      The second coming took place already and Christ promised that only HIS PEOPLE would see him ….John 14:19. Yet a little while, and THE WORLD SEETH ME NO MORE;….. [2 Cor 5:16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ AFTER THE FLESH, yet NOW HENCEFORTH KNOW WE HIM NO MORE….(here the Context of John 14 is his second coming)…..continued…..but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also. 20. AT THAT DAY .. 21. He that hath my commandments, and KEEPETH THEM, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and WILL MANIFEST MYSELF TO HIM……(again taking note “as he is” or 1Jn 3:2)

      22. Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, HOW IS IT THAT THOU WILT MANIFEST THYSELF UNTO US AND NOT UNTO THE WORLD? 23. Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, HE WILL KEEP MY WORDS: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.( Rev 3:20) 24. He that loveth me not.. (1Cor 16:22)…. KEEPETH NOT MY SAYINGS: ( REV 9:16-20)

      REVELATION 1:7. Behold, HE COMETH WITH CLOUDS; and EVERY EYE SHALL SEE HIM, …. There is a parallel here with ………….Exodus 24:10. And THEY SAW THE GOD OF ISRAEL : and there was under his feet as it were a paved work of a sapphire stone, and as it were the body of heaven in his clearness. 11. And upon the nobles of the children of Israel he laid not his hand: also THEY SAW GOD, and did eat and drink………..But Christ said….. John 1:18. NO MAN HATH SEEN GOD AT ANY TIME; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him. A person can see with their understanding and or see with their eyes…. It can see “seen” for certain that everything that Christ described was seen by the folks of that day in His coming but do they perceive that was him? …So what Christ said is true every eye saw him but the world does not see him….. With the eye they and folks still today can see everything Christ described to have taken place, but they do not “keep” ( believe and understand) his words as such they do not see him nor shall they ever.

      The saints who have physical died faithful in the flesh (every man in his own order) are changed in the blink of an eye & caught up to sit on that Great white throne ( this congregation of the saints is the body of Christ that folks will answer to at the judgment and these saints will judge all men who cannot see Christ along with the rest of the world……Folks think they are waiting to see Jesus but they will NEVER see Jesus himself they will only see the body of Christ condemn them the saints judge the world (Rev 3:21; 1 Cor 6:2 et al) the saints are the body of Christ…that is the only part of Christ they shall see….only the saints shall see God face to face…..most peoples idea of the second coming & day of the Lord and the judgment is completely wrong

      https://www.scribd.com/doc/305366745/Revelation-the-First-Gospel-of-the-Kingdom

      or

      https://www.academia.edu/23464127/REVELATION_THE_FIRST_GOSPEL_OF_THE_KINGDOM

      978-1-4907-0590-3 (SC ISBN)

    • goastdale

      I123’s of true Christianity v popular & damnable heresies
      (simply because you “confess” it does not mean you actually are, the devil has deceived many of his own children to believe they are Christians 2Tim 3:5)
      #1 “ONE” not triune: THE ANTI CHRIST….WHERE? WHERE?….EVERYWHERE!!! …..IT”S YOU O TRINITARIAN!

      “WHO” it was (what person) that came “IN THE FLESH”, IS THE DETERMINING FACTOR IN WHAT IT MEANS TO BE “ANT-CHRIST”! Even Islam claims Jesus was the Jewish messiah/Christ who was to come in the flesh) they all deny “WHO” it was (what person) that came (to be the Christ) in the flesh!?!…….To deny the father is to deny the son because they are one and the same person that came in the flesh! https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/part-6-anti-christ-where-everywhere-allen-daves?trk=mp-reader-card

      JOHN 14: 8-20 where Christ specifically identifies himself (his person as the person of both the father and the HS; the only distinction is in “location” and “method of manifestation” …….Note Isaiah 9:6. For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: …: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counseller, … the everlasting Father ….The son, father/Holy Spirit are all the same person, NOT like two different persons working together even as “one flesh” ….The “oneness” between Christ and the father is not comparable to a man & his wife, for only a fool would say “When you have seen me you have seen my wife, how sayest thou then, Shew us your wife?” Notice they asked to see THE FATHER and the response was Jn 14:9 ..“HAVE I BEEN SO LONG time with you, and yet hast THOU NOT KNOW ME, Philip…..Now image some fool trying to claim that statement if you asked to see his wife!?!!? You want to see the FATHER but have I been with you but you don’t know me!?!?! https://www.scribd.com/doc/305367608/The-Trinity-Heresy

      Jn 14 continued….…………..17. Even THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH; (Jn 14:6 I AM the way, THE TRUTH,) whom the world cannot receive, .. for HE DEWLLETH WITH YOU, (present tense/standing next to them in the flesh) and SHALL BE IN YOU… (future tense “In them”) 18. I will not leave you comfortless: I WILL COME TO YOU (future tense “In them”) Note: The spirit of Christ is the sprit of God and the holy spirit that is why Christ said “I will come to you” (to comfort them, because Christ is the comforter). The spirit was standing next to them in flesh… ….latter it would come to them to be inside of them (inside of their flesh as the spirit we are given)…..that is why. he would send the spirit…… However, Jesus himself here makes the point that the same person who was the HOLY SPIRIT that would come was standing next to them but lets them know “I will come to you again to be Inside of you”

      The whole point to Gal 3:20.a mediator is NOT A MEDIATOR OF ONE, (HEIS) but GOD IS ONE. (HEIS) again, point blank, identifies the number of persons of God! The “but” points out the contrast between multiple persons in a mediation party v the “one” of God. God is not like a mediation party with multiple different persons. …..”the express image of his person” ( the person of God; singular not plural).Any attempt to lay claim otherwise is willful ignorance and delusional nonsense https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/part-1-echadechadmy-godgod-echad-allen-daves?trk=mp-reader-card

      NOTE: don’t be that one in prov 26:12 over my use of the word “fool” here prov 18:13 (https://www.scribd.com/presentation/322007258/Fools ) “But but, the gospel of John…the Gospel of John …look look…” which is quite ironic since the gospel of John does not leave ANY room for multiple different persons of Jesus and father. However the gospel of John does leave a few verses that facilitate God’s promise in 2 Thess 2:11/ Isaiah 66:4 (take note of “HAND” in verse 2,14..You just can’t make this stuff up…God is surely laughing at these fools; Ps 2:1&4)

      ……Mark 12:28…Which is the first commandment of all? 29. …Hear, O Israel; THE LORD OUR GOD IS ONE LORD: 30. And ………..this is the first commandment….. 31. And the second is…..
      JESUS IS GOD AND IS THE FULLFILMENT OF ALL THE LAW AND PROPHETS SO IF YOU CAN’T GET THIS “FIRST OF ALL COMMANDMENTS” RIGHT, ALL THE REST OF YOUR “FAITH” AND PREACHING ON SIN IS MOOT

      TRINITARIANS CONFESS JESUS /THEY ARE NOT POLYTHEIST BUT ARE MONOTHEIST LIKE A LIAR & THIEF WHO “CONFESS” THEY DO NOT LIE OR STEAL The simple fact is that just because you confess or deny that you are in an adulterous relationship and denounce all forms of adultery has nothing to do with whether or not it is in fact adulterous! .. …A rose by any other name is still just a rose AND calling it a water lily does not change the definition of what a water Lilly or a rose is either!…No, Trinitarians confess & preach literally …”ANOTHER JESUS” 2 Cor 11:4

      https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/part-2-pgs-91-101-chapter-eight-lets-talk-us-allen-daves?trk=mp-reader-card

      - Like a thief in your house caught stealing your things insisting he was not there stealing “I CONFESS I am NOT stealing”. You just do not “properly understand” what he is doing/saying. Further, since you never had a “proper understanding” of what he is doing/saying you have no business accusing him since you do not even know what you are talking about in the first place. It is with and in your own ignorance that you base your “false accusations” & “ad homonym attacks” against him…… Ridiculous of course it is ……2Thess 2:11; Titus 1:16; 2Tim 3:5;

      - A Favorite tool for pathological liars is to use incongruent definitions or create oxymorons out of synonyms such as “a person” and “a being” so as to claim that your god is THREE DIFFERENT PERSONS but ONLY ONE BEING: Which is (1) no different then trying to claim that “THREE DIFFERENT CARS” is “THE ONE VEHICLE” (2) blatant demonstration of the dishonesty & sorcery these children of hell will employ with “a strait face” (which is in part what it means to be a pathological liar)
      ……but, ah i remember how this game is played… “God is three in one” (or 1in 3 or 3in one et al) should have given you a hint, harking back to Satan in The garden…God said you will die…Satan comes along and states no you will be more WISE……today .God said He is one; but Satan’s children come along and say no three is more WISE and humble in the face of God’s grandeur only “a mystery” that can be understood “in faith”. God uses head and right arm to explain the distinctions between father and son.. However, the Trinitarian heretics say to the effect: “NO, that is just a figure of speech, or that is not what God really means. What God is really saying is that God is three different persons”. Fools, hypocrites and blind guides, God said he was One and by your traditions and vain imaginations have taken the words of God and made them of no effect, refashioning God into your image!

      You can download the complete FREE book from
      https://www.scribd.com/doc/305367608/The-Trinity-Heresy
      OR
      https://www.academia.edu/23463667/THE_TRINITY_HERESY

      http://www.scribd.com/user/249756770/Allen-Daves

      independent.academia.edu/AllenDaves

      https://www.linkedin.com/today/author/0_0wXAPxHFpV6o3_6erj3ZFe?trk=prof-sm

      #2 SECOND COMING Thou Fool! “I come quickly” so “Hold fast
      till i come”… NOT …“in another 2000 yrs I might be coming soon any time now, so hold fast”!?! …those that deny the second coming of Christ in the war of AD70 are practicing a damnable heresy in denying the lord that bought them ( 2Peter 2:1-2 ;2Tim 4:8/ you cant love an appearing you deny& the context is the 2nd coming not the first)… Mat 7:23..”I NEVER KNEW YOU” …..Mat 10:33. But whosoever shall deny me before men……..sound familiar?…. If I said I am coming to your house in this generation when these things happen but no one knows the day or hour what fool would think I might be coming in 2000 years latter!?!? ..2 Tim 4: 4. And
      they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be TURNED UNTO FABLES.
      2Thess 2: 11. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12. That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

      DOWNLOAD FREE THE ENTIRE 480PG BOOK AT SEVERAL LOCATIONS
      https://www.scribd.com/doc/305366745/Revelation-the-First-Gospel-of-the-Kingdom

      or

      https://www.academia.edu/23464127/REVELATION_THE_FIRST_GOSPEL_OF_THE_KINGDOM

      #3 There is a sharp contrast between THREE groups :

      (1) “PREDESTINED DAMNED” who were NEVER written in the book of life ………..Rev 17: 8 WHOSE NAMES WERE NOT WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF LIFE FROM THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD, …as contrasted …EPH 1: 4. According as he hath CHOSEN US in him BEFORE THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD

      (2) “MANY CALLED”= ONLY and ALL SAINTS (those who come to Christ) are written in the book of life … Philippians 4:3… ……Rev 21:27; (Only saints are Called and elect; Rom 1:6-7 et al) This is THE CHRUCH and ONLY these can have their names blotted out of the book of life ….….Heb 12:23 to the general assembly and CHURCH of the firstborn … WHICH ………are WRITTEN in heaven,

      (3) THE FEW CHOSEN: Those saints who were alive in group #2 who are now physically dead. They died “faithful” these are the FEW that were chosen faithful…….Rev 3:5. ……; and I
      will not BLOT OUT HIS NAME OUT OF THE BOOK OF LIFE, (Ps 69:28) …. These are the FEW that are CHOSEN and now that they have died and are saved then “once saved THEY CAN NEVER BE LOST”

      Predestination….its true..its all true…download here

      https://www.scribd.com/doc/306868420/Most-True-Christians-Go-to-Hell

      https://www.academia.edu/25217564/Most_True_Christains_Go_to_Hell

    • westgate

      I hope it is soon..

    • You\'re busted

      He’ll say “You totally missed the point of my time on Earth”

    • jknbt

      I have had to endure a lot of phonies on the way…

      have you ever had to put up with a “Super-Dooper Saint”? This is the kind of person that compliments God on the wise choice of having him in the Kingdom, since God is lucky to have someone that wonderful on His side.

      Jesus will say to them in the Second Coming according to Luke 13:27: “But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity.”

      and don’t get smart and insult me that this refers to me. It doesn’t. (signed: broken & contrite bible teacher)

    • goastdale

      123’s of true Christianity v popular & damnable heresies
      (simply because you “confess” it does not mean you actually are, the devil has deceived many of his own children to believe they are Christians 2Tim 3:5)
      #1 “ONE” not triune: THE ANTI CHRIST….WHERE? WHERE?….EVERYWHERE!!! …..IT”S YOU O TRINITARIAN!

      “WHO” it was (what person) that came “IN THE FLESH”, IS THE DETERMINING FACTOR IN WHAT IT MEANS TO BE “ANT-CHRIST”! Even Islam claims Jesus was the Jewish messiah/Christ who was to come in the flesh) they all deny “WHO” it was (what person) that came (to be the Christ) in the flesh!?!…….To deny the father is to deny the son because they are one and the same person that came in the flesh! https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/part-6-anti-christ-where-everywhere-allen-daves?trk=mp-reader-card

      JOHN 14: 8-20 where Christ specifically identifies himself (his person as the person of both the father and the HS; the only distinction is in “location” and “method of manifestation” …….Note Isaiah 9:6. For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: …: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counseller, … the everlasting Father ….The son, father/Holy Spirit are all the same person, NOT like two different persons working together even as “one flesh” ….The “oneness” between Christ and the father is not comparable to a man & his wife, for only a fool would say “When you have seen me you have seen my wife, how sayest thou then, Shew us your wife?” Notice they asked to see THE FATHER and the response was Jn 14:9 ..“HAVE I BEEN SO LONG time with you, and yet hast THOU NOT KNOW ME, Philip…..Now image some fool trying to claim that statement if you asked to see his wife!?!!? You want to see the FATHER but have I been with you but you don’t know me!?!?! https://www.scribd.com/doc/305367608/The-Trinity-Heresy

      Jn 14 continued….…………..17. Even THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH; (Jn 14:6 I AM the way, THE TRUTH,) whom the world cannot receive, .. for HE DEWLLETH WITH YOU, (present tense/standing next to them in the flesh) and SHALL BE IN YOU… (future tense “In them”) 18. I will not leave you comfortless: I WILL COME TO YOU (future tense “In them”) Note: The spirit of Christ is the sprit of God and the holy spirit that is why Christ said “I will come to you” (to comfort them, because Christ is the comforter). The spirit was standing next to them in flesh… ….latter it would come to them to be inside of them (inside of their flesh as the spirit we are given)…..that is why. he would send the spirit…… However, Jesus himself here makes the point that the same person who was the HOLY SPIRIT that would come was standing next to them but lets them know “I will come to you again to be Inside of you”

      The whole point to Gal 3:20.a mediator is NOT A MEDIATOR OF ONE, (HEIS) but GOD IS ONE. (HEIS) again, point blank, identifies the number of persons of God! The “but” points out the contrast between multiple persons in a mediation party v the “one” of God. God is not like a mediation party with multiple different persons. …..”the express image of his person” ( the person of God; singular not plural).Any attempt to lay claim otherwise is willful ignorance and delusional nonsense https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/part-1-echadechadmy-godgod-echad-allen-daves?trk=mp-reader-card

      NOTE: don’t be that one in prov 26:12 over my use of the word “fool” here prov 18:13 (https://www.scribd.com/presentation/322007258/Fools ) “But but, the gospel of John…the Gospel of John …look look…” which is quite ironic since the gospel of John does not leave ANY room for multiple different persons of Jesus and father. However the gospel of John does leave a few verses that facilitate God’s promise in 2 Thess 2:11/ Isaiah 66:4 (take note of “HAND” in verse 2,14..You just can’t make this stuff up…God is surely laughing at these fools; Ps 2:1&4)

      ……Mark 12:28…Which is the first commandment of all? 29. …Hear, O Israel; THE LORD OUR GOD IS ONE LORD: 30. And ………..this is the first commandment….. 31. And the second is…..
      JESUS IS GOD AND IS THE FULLFILMENT OF ALL THE LAW AND PROPHETS SO IF YOU CAN’T GET THIS “FIRST OF ALL COMMANDMENTS” RIGHT, ALL THE REST OF YOUR “FAITH” AND PREACHING ON SIN IS MOOT

      TRINITARIANS CONFESS JESUS /THEY ARE NOT POLYTHEIST BUT ARE MONOTHEIST LIKE A LIAR & THIEF WHO “CONFESS” THEY DO NOT LIE OR STEAL The simple fact is that just because you confess or deny that you are in an adulterous relationship and denounce all forms of adultery has nothing to do with whether or not it is in fact adulterous! .. …A rose by any other name is still just a rose AND calling it a water lily does not change the definition of what a water Lilly or a rose is either!…No, Trinitarians confess & preach literally …”ANOTHER JESUS” 2 Cor 11:4

      https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/part-2-pgs-91-101-chapter-eight-lets-talk-us-allen-daves?trk=mp-reader-card

      - Like a thief in your house caught stealing your things insisting he was not there stealing “I CONFESS I am NOT stealing”. You just do not “properly understand” what he is doing/saying. Further, since you never had a “proper understanding” of what he is doing/saying you have no business accusing him since you do not even know what you are talking about in the first place. It is with and in your own ignorance that you base your “false accusations” & “ad homonym attacks” against him…… Ridiculous of course it is ……2Thess 2:11; Titus 1:16; 2Tim 3:5;

      - A Favorite tool for pathological liars is to use incongruent definitions or create oxymorons out of synonyms such as “a person” and “a being” so as to claim that your god is THREE DIFFERENT PERSONS but ONLY ONE BEING: Which is (1) no different then trying to claim that “THREE DIFFERENT CARS” is “THE ONE VEHICLE” (2) blatant demonstration of the dishonesty & sorcery these children of hell will employ with “a strait face” (which is in part what it means to be a pathological liar)
      ……but, ah i remember how this game is played… “God is three in one” (or 1in 3 or 3in one et al) should have given you a hint, harking back to Satan in The garden…God said you will die…Satan comes along and states no you will be more WISE……today .God said He is one; but Satan’s children come along and say no three is more WISE and humble in the face of God’s grandeur only “a mystery” that can be understood “in faith”. God uses head and right arm to explain the distinctions between father and son.. However, the Trinitarian heretics say to the effect: “NO, that is just a figure of speech, or that is not what God really means. What God is really saying is that God is three different persons”. Fools, hypocrites and blind guides, God said he was One and by your traditions and vain imaginations have taken the words of God and made them of no effect, refashioning God into your image!

      You can download the complete FREE book from
      https://www.scribd.com/doc/305367608/The-Trinity-Heresy
      OR
      https://www.academia.edu/23463667/THE_TRINITY_HERESY

      http://www.scribd.com/user/249756770/Allen-Daves

      independent.academia.edu/AllenDaves

      https://www.linkedin.com/today/author/0_0wXAPxHFpV6o3_6erj3ZFe?trk=prof-sm

      #2 SECOND COMING Thou Fool! “I come quickly” so “Hold fast
      till i come”… NOT …“in another 2000 yrs I might be coming soon any time now, so hold fast”!?! …those that deny the second coming of Christ in the war of AD70 are practicing a damnable heresy in denying the lord that bought them ( 2Peter 2:1-2 ;2Tim 4:8/ you cant love an appearing you deny& the context is the 2nd coming not the first)… Mat 7:23..”I NEVER KNEW YOU” …..Mat 10:33. But whosoever shall deny me before men……..sound familiar?…. If I said I am coming to your house in this generation when these things happen but no one knows the day or hour what fool would think I might be coming in 2000 years latter!?!? ..2 Tim 4: 4. And
      they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be TURNED UNTO FABLES.
      2Thess 2: 11. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12. That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

      DOWNLOAD FREE THE ENTIRE 480PG BOOK AT SEVERAL LOCATIONS
      https://www.scribd.com/doc/305366745/Revelation-the-First-Gospel-of-the-Kingdom

      or

      https://www.academia.edu/23464127/REVELATION_THE_FIRST_GOSPEL_OF_THE_KINGDOM

      #3 There is a sharp contrast between THREE groups :

      (1) “PREDESTINED DAMNED” who were NEVER written in the book of life ………..Rev 17: 8 WHOSE NAMES WERE NOT WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF LIFE FROM THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD, …as contrasted …EPH 1: 4. According as he hath CHOSEN US in him BEFORE THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD

      (2) “MANY CALLED”= ONLY and ALL SAINTS (those who come to Christ) are written in the book of life … Philippians 4:3… ……Rev 21:27; (Only saints are Called and elect; Rom 1:6-7 et al) This is THE CHRUCH and ONLY these can have their names blotted out of the book of life ….….Heb 12:23 to the general assembly and CHURCH of the firstborn … WHICH ………are WRITTEN in heaven,

      (3) THE FEW CHOSEN: Those saints who were alive in group #2 who are now physically dead. They died “faithful” these are the FEW that were chosen faithful…….Rev 3:5. ……; and I
      will not BLOT OUT HIS NAME OUT OF THE BOOK OF LIFE, (Ps 69:28) …. These are the FEW that are CHOSEN and now that they have died and are saved then “once saved THEY CAN NEVER BE LOST”

      Predestination….its true..its all true…download here

      https://www.scribd.com/doc/306868420/Most-True-Christians-Go-to-Hell

      https://www.academia.edu/25217564/Most_True_Christains_Go_to_Hell

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