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What was nailed to the stake? The LAW of God - OR -the legal “document” sentencing you and I to death for our transgressions of God’s LAW?

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What was nailed to the cross stake? The LAW of God – OR -the legal “document” sentencing you and I to death for our transgressions of God’s LAW?

 

 

 

Was Jesus Christ forced to come to earth to “free” mankind from of His Father’s harsh law, a law; men argue is — bondage?

 

Christ came to free us from that “burdensome” “harsh” Law His Father — “mistakenly” – placed men in bondage to ? ? Really that is what you believe??

 

Is this not actually what is being taught by the churches when they teach the law was nailed to the stake?

 

The cross stake makes possible our Salvation, do you believe it does?

 

Do you understand why Christ is our Savior, our Passover, our Redeemer do you actually understand what took place up on that stauros?

 

Note: This study is long and replete with fine details which possibly only one or two will take the time necessary to prove for them selves if there is Truth here within.

 

The Bible contains God’s Truth’ and that Truth is scattered here a little and there a little from it’s beginning to it’s end and many scriptures are by design confusing and complex a fact which is amply proven by the anger, contentions, divisions and the many actual bloody wars the Bible has caused among so called christians grasping for control. Control of what: you!

 

Below are just a few of the many questions that for centuries have kindle anger, confrontations, confusion and caused wide divisions and even war among those ‘professing’ to be Christians.

 

 

1. Did the sacrifice of Christ abolish the Holy Law of God?

 

2. Something was nailed to the stake with Christ – What was it?

 

3. Did Christ remove our condemnation, what is condemnation and how was it removed?

 

4. Was Christ put to death as payment for our debt to sins?

 

 

The purpose of this study is to turn the light of God’s Truth on the questions above using scriptures found in the Old and the New Testament and applying the tool of logic given man by his creator to logically discern His WORD.

 

Common sense and logic created by God and given to mankind allows man to recognize the Truth when guided to it by the Father’s Spirit.

 

God’s WAY is Logical: God’s WAY is not at all the way of man.

 

Mankind, the proverbial bull in the china shop, filled with pride and vanity following that carnal path capriciously and foolishly as he stumbles through life destroying all in his path.

 

We are admonished by Jude to earnestly contend for the faith which was —‘once’ — delivered unto the Saints.

 

There is only ONE strait gate, only ONE narrow WAY and so called Christianity has constructed tens of thousands of wide gates and wide ways and — all — lead to death.

 

Each person must make their own decision concerning the conclusions reached by this study: But — if the preponderate of scripture and logic concludes Jesus Christ did not abolish the 10 Commandments, would a wise steward of God’s Word use a few hard to understand and easy to twist words and scriptures to justify turning their back on the 10 Commandments?

 

But those that hate God’s Law and refuse to allow Christ to rule over them –will always do so.

 

 

1. Did the sacrifice of Christ abolish the Holy Law of God?

 

 

If Jesus Christ knew He was going to nail the 10 Commandments to HIS stake why then did He make the following statement in Matthew?

 

Matthew 5: 17 Think – “not” – that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I amnotcome to destroy, but to fulfil.

 

NIV; Matthew 5: 17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.”

 

BOTH; fulfill “them” BOTH!

 

What could possibly be the reason for making the emphatic statement twice “I have not come to destroy the Law” to then turns 180 degrees and destroy the Law? It is normal for humans to make contradicting statements – Not for GOD?

 

In lieu of the statement Christ made in Matthew 5: 17 If you claim the Law was some how done away, are you not accusing Christ of being a liar or at least of making contradicting statements?

 

Why does man always run from the clear word of truth and instead run to those that can be twisted?

 

The key word folks claim “abolished’ the law” in verse 17 is “Fulfill”; and they willfully ignore the fact Christ stated twice He came not to destroy [destroy can also be translated: to overthrow, break up] .

 

So we must understand what Christ came to earth to accomplish — as that word “fulfill” can and has been twisted!

 

The word “fulfill” is #4137 ‘Pleroo’ and is also translated as; to make full, to complete.

 

Strong’s Concordance

 

pléroó: to make full, to complete

Original Word: πληρόω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: pléroó
Phonetic Spelling: (play-ro’-o)
Short Definition: I fill, fulfill, complete
Definition: I fill, fulfill, complete.

 

How can this word be interpreted to mean – to abolish or to end or to finish?

Christ came and DID fulfill all prophecy the Prophets spoke of concerning His coming; Christ performed and fulfilled every prophesied event perfectly and to the very second.

 

Christ also came, according to the meanings of “fulfill”, to complete the Law and to make it full, to fill it up. None of those meanings infer or imply “abolish” or Christ did in “for you” so you do not have to obey the Law.

 

Completing and or to fufill the Law can have a two fold meaning, first Christ had to obey the Law physically and spiritually living by it perfectly, without even the slightest shadow of sin to become our perfect Passover Lamb without blemish.

 

Second: Christ “completed” the Law by adding the spiritual component thus making the law full and complete and filled to the full.

 

When the Law was given to the children of Israel it was a sin to murder but Christ states in this same chapter if you hate or are even angry at a person only in your mind it is the same as if you murdered them and thus is SIN.

 

Christ made the Law full and complete, now what you “think” in your mind is sin as well as what you do with your hand. The Law is now complete it is now physical and spiritual.

 

Matthew 5: 17 is without question a key scripture in the controversy over God’s Law.

 

Jesus Christ removed all doubts except for those that think Christ can lie as He stated emphatically; I did not come to destroy, overthrow or abolish the Law or the prophets of God but I did come to fulfill, make full and to complete them.

 

Everyone over looks the fact Christ included Prophesy — along with the Law — would be “fulfill”, if that word “fulfill” ended the Law would that not also mean it ended the prophets as well??

 

Let Christ in verse 21 and 22 of chapter 5 explain how He made full or “fulfill” the Law. Letting the Bible interpret the Bible is the way to Truth.

 

Matthew 5

 

21 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:

 

22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell (Gehenna) fire.

 

Hell fire is the Lake of Fire and that word hell is actually Gehenna which is a valley outside of Jerusalem where garbage is burned. The words “without a cause” may have been added by Rome.

 

Christ said He came to fulfill, make full – to complete and He did! The Commandments are now not just physical law but are made full and complete as the Spiritual component of the Law was included in the New Covenant.

 

What was given to Moses states; taking a persons life by murder is sin, but Christ completed the law spiritually by now making it SIN to despise or hate a person only — in your mind.

 

The Law is now even more impossible for carnal men to obey.

 

You may and should ask how was making the law “spiritual” as well as physical legally accomplished? Approaching God’s word from the legal perspective of God’s Torah is the correct and wise approach.

 

When Christ came to confirm, get approved by both parties, the New Covenant [contract], as it is a new contract, additional terms could be added.

 

And as new Spiritual promises (better promises) were added thus making the New covenant a Spiritual Covenant for a Spiritual people— it then must have a Spiritual Law to match the Spiritual promises.

 

In the Old Covenant the physical promises came only if the physical law was obeyed.

 

Under the New the Spiritual promises will never be given to the LAWLESS.

Revelation 22

14 Blessed [are] they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

15 For without [are] dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

 

The terms of the Old Covenant were not lived up to by the children of Israel; they breached the contract, not God.

 

The Law given through Moses was a physical Law for a physical unconverted people: when Christ came He raised the Law to Spiritual for the converted Spirit filled “Called out Ones to God”: The Church of God, God’s Saints.

 

The Law is now not only — ‘not’ —abolished but actually was magnified in scope. Now without the Holy Spirit given after repentance and water baptism there is no possibility man could ever obey the completed Law even for one moment.

 

Isaiah 42: 21 confirms the Law will be magnified or expanded.

21 The LORD is well pleased for his righteousness’ sake; he will magnify the law, and make [it] honourable.

The word “Honourable” in verse 21 above, also means ‘become glorious’.

 

Why would Christ magnify the Law which means expand and make it become glorious and then — abolish it? These are logical questions that demand logical answers and not irrational mysticism.

 

Continuing in Matthew 5

 

NIV 18 “ For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.”

 

In verse 18 above for added emphasis Christ makes the statement to the effect: ‘The Law is not going any where’.

 

18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

 

If Christ ended the law in verse 17 why did He then state; one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the Law and then go on in verse 19 to state: you better be obeying and teaching the LAW?

 

19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach [them], the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

 

NIV 19 “Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.”

 

Verse 19 is a huge dilemma for me:

 

How can any rational and sane person read the words Jesus Christ spoke in verses 17, 18 and 19 believe there is any possibility Christ voided or did away or nailed the 10 Commandments to His Stake?

 

How can this be read and not understood?

 

Sorry, logically this is beyond perfectly clear, what more do you need?

 

The above coming from the very mouth of Jesus Christ should be conclusive proof He has no intent of ever canceling or voiding the 10 Commandments.

 

Long after the death and resurrection of Christ read what Paul has to say about the Law.

 

Romans 7: 12 Wherefore the law [is] holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

 

And Paul to make sure it is understood WHICH Commandments said the following in Romans 7:

 

7 What shall we say then? [Is] the law sin?God forbid.Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said,Thou shalt not covet”.

 

Except the Law informed Paul that lust was a sin he could not know that fact.

 

Why would God cancel something He made Holy, Just and Good? Are we not to become Holy, Just and Good – exactly – like our Savior and HIS Father?

 

If God had to cancel the Law does that not infers God made a mistake?

He gave man something HOLY and it turned out to be evil and a harsh burden??

 

If you truly believe God made a mistake giving His Chosen People the Law, please don’t bother reading further, that would be a total waste of your time.

 

Jesus Christ will explain it to you when He Comes with HIS Rod of IRON..

 

The answer to the following question will be posted in a few days.

2. Something was nailed to the stake, what was it?



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    • goastdale

      123’s of true Christianity v popular & damnable heresies

      #1 “ONE” not triune: ……Mark 12:28…Which is the first commandment of all? 29. …Hear, O Israel; THE LORD OUR GOD IS ONE LORD: 30. And ………..this is the first commandment….. 31. And the second is…..IF YOU CAN’T GET THIS “FIRST OF ALL COMMANDMENTS” RIGHT, ALL THE REST OF YOUR “FAITH” AND PREACHING ON LOVE & SIN IS MOOT

      PART 4 & 5 HOW MANY GODS ARE THERE FOR THE ONE GOD TO TALK TO?? Who was Jesus praying to??!?…. The real question should be … How does having multiple different persons keep this one God/being/entity from praying to himself?! (The trinitarian “schizophrenic” “god-head”) The Trinitarians want to have their cake and eat it too as the saying goes. On the one hand they need to say they only worship one indivisible God being/ entity but on the other hand they feel the need for some reason to keep Jesus or God from praying and talking to himself by dividing him up into different persons!?! It never occurs to them that that since there is only one indivisible God to pray too and Jesus is that indivisible God come in the flesh that he would need to talk to himself as to show us how to live, suffer, pray and die for our/ flesh) benefit not his!?!….. So while Trinitarians are quick to complain that God was not talking to himself at Christ baptism or in Gen “let us” they ignore the logical demands of their own theology! If Jesus is the ONE GOD in flesh and the Father is the SAME ONE GOD in heaven then Trinitarianism demands THE ONE GOD is talking to HIMSELF the same “being”! Claiming that God is multiple different persons as the reason for why God is not talking to himself (because God is three different “selfs”) only demonstrates that what they really worship is in fact not a ONE GOD who talks to himself but three different god “selfs”/ and they all talk to each other! When they speak about who God was talking and praying to, they are quick to say “the other person, NOT HIMSELF!” But if you ask them how many gods do they pray to then they will say “ONLY ONE”!?! They expect you to believe that those three different persons are THE ONE GOD-BEING” which is like calling three different cars “THE ONE VEHICLE” (they are text book examples of prov 26:12)
      PART 6: THE ANTI CHRIST….WHERE? WHERE?….EVERYWHERE!!! …..IT”S YOU O TRINITARIAN!
      “WHO” it was (what person) that came “IN THE FLESH”, IS THE DETERMINING FACTOR IN WHAT IT MEANS TO BE “ANT-CHRIST”! Even Islam claims Jesus was the Jewish messiah/Christ who was to come in the flesh) they all deny “WHO” it was (what person) that came (to be the Christ) in the flesh!?!…….To deny the father is to deny the son because they are one and the same person that came in the flesh! https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/part-6-anti-christ-where-everywhere-allen-daves?trk=mp-reader-card
      JOHN 14: 8-20 where Christ specifically identifies himself (his person as the person of both the father and the HS; the only distinction is in “location” and “method of manifestation” …….Note Isaiah 9:6. For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: …: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counseller, … the everlasting Father ….The son, father/Holy Spirit are all the same person, NOT like two different persons working together even as “one flesh” ….The “oneness” between Christ and the father is not comparable to a man & his wife, for only a fool would say “When you have seen me you have seen my wife, how sayest thou then, Shew us your wife?” Notice they asked to see THE FATHER and the response was Jn 14:9 ..“HAVE I BEEN SO LONG time with you, and yet hast THOU NOT KNOW ME, Philip…..Now image some fool trying to claim that statement if you asked to see his wife!?!!? You want to see the FATHER but have I been with you but you don’t know me!?!?!
      https://www.scribd.com/doc/305367608/The-Trinity-Heresy
      OR
      https://www.academia.edu/23463667/THE_TRINITY_HERESY
      or
      http://www.globethics.net/gtl/10920799 THE TRINITY HERESY
      Jn 14 continued….…………..17. Even THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH; (Jn 14:6 I AM the way, THE TRUTH,) whom the world cannot receive, .. for HE DEWLLETH WITH YOU, (present tense/standing next to them in the flesh) and SHALL BE IN YOU… (future tense “In them”) 18. I will not leave you comfortless: I WILL COME TO YOU (future tense “In them”) Note: The spirit of Christ is the sprit of God and the holy spirit that is why Christ said “I will come to you” (to comfort them, because Christ is the comforter). The spirit was standing next to them in flesh… ….latter it would come to them to be inside of them (inside of their flesh as the spirit we are given)…..that is why. he would send the spirit…… However, Jesus himself here makes the point that the same person who was the HOLY SPIRIT that would come was standing next to them but lets them know “I will come to you again to be Inside of you”
      The whole point to Gal 3:20.a mediator is NOT A MEDIATOR OF ONE, (HEIS) but GOD IS ONE. (HEIS) again, point blank, identifies the number of persons of God! The “but” points out the contrast between multiple persons in a mediation party v the “one” of God. God is not like a mediation party with multiple different persons. …..”the express image of his person” ( the person of God; singular not plural).Any attempt to lay claim otherwise is willful ignorance and delusional nonsense https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/part-1-echadechadmy-godgod-echad-allen-daves?trk=mp-reader-card
      NOTE: don’t be that one in prov 26:12 over my use of the word “fool” here prov 18:13 (https://www.scribd.com/presentation/322007258/Fools ) “But but, the gospel of John…the Gospel of John …look look…” which is quite ironic since the gospel of John does not leave ANY room for multiple different persons of Jesus and father. However the gospel of John does leave a few verses that facilitate God’s promise in 2 Thess 2:11/ Isaiah 66:4 (take note of “HAND” in verse 2,14..You just can’t make this stuff up…God is surely laughing at these fools; Ps 2:1&4)
      TRINITARIANS CONFESS JESUS /THEY ARE NOT POLYTHEIST BUT ARE MONOTHEIST LIKE A LIAR & THIEF WHO “CONFESS” THEY DO NOT LIE OR STEAL The simple fact is that just because you confess or deny that you are in an adulterous relationship and denounce all forms of adultery has nothing to do with whether or not it is in fact adulterous! .. …A rose by any other name is still just a rose AND calling it a water lily does not change the definition of what a water Lilly or a rose is either!…No, Trinitarians confess & preach literally …”ANOTHER JESUS” 2 Cor 11:4
      https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/part-2-pgs-91-101-chapter-eight-lets-talk-us-allen-daves?trk=mp-reader-card
      - Like a thief in your house caught stealing your things insisting he was not there stealing “I CONFESS I am NOT stealing”. You just do not “properly understand” what he is doing/saying. Further, since you never had a “proper understanding” of what he is doing/saying you have no business accusing him since you do not even know what you are talking about in the first place. It is with and in your own ignorance that you base your “false accusations” & “ad homonym attacks” against him…… Ridiculous of course it is ……2Thess 2:11; Titus 1:16; 2Tim 3:5;
      - A Favorite tool for pathological liars is to use incongruent definitions or create oxymorons out of synonyms such as “a person” and “a being” so as to claim that your god is THREE DIFFERENT PERSONS but ONLY ONE BEING: Which is (1) no different then trying to claim that “THREE DIFFERENT CARS” is “THE ONE VEHICLE” (2) blatant demonstration of the dishonesty & sorcery these children of hell will employ with “a strait face” (which is in part what it means to be a pathological liar)
      ……but, ah i remember how this game is played… “God is three in one” (or 1in 3 or 3in one et al) should have given you a hint, harking back to Satan in The garden…God said you will die…Satan comes along and states no you will be more WISE……today .God said He is one; but Satan’s children come along and say no three is more WISE and humble in the face of God’s grandeur only “a mystery” that can be understood “in faith”. God uses head and right arm to explain the distinctions between father and son.. However, the Trinitarian heretics say to the effect: “NO, that is just a figure of speech, or that is not what God really means. What God is really saying is that God is three different persons”. Fools, hypocrites and blind guides, God said he was One and by your traditions and vain imaginations have taken the words of God and made them of no effect, refashioning God into your image!
      You can download the complete FREE book from
      https://www.scribd.com/doc/305367608/The-Trinity-Heresy
      OR
      https://www.academia.edu/23463667/THE_TRINITY_HERESY
      or
      http://www.globethics.net/gtl/10920799 THE TRINITY HERESY
      https://www.linkedin.com/today/author/0_0wXAPxHFpV6o3_6erj3ZFe?trk=prof-sm
      #2 SECOND COMING Thou Fool! “I come quickly” so “Hold fast
      till i come”… NOT …“in another 2000 yrs I might be coming soon any time now, so hold fast”!?! …those that deny the second coming of Christ in the war of AD70 are practicing a damnable heresy in denying the lord that bought them ( 2Peter 2:1-2 ;2Tim 4:8/ you cant love an appearing you deny& the context is the 2nd coming not the first)… Mat 7:23..”I NEVER KNEW YOU” …..Mat 10:33. But whosoever shall deny me before men……..sound familiar?…. If I said I am coming to your house in this generation when these things happen but no one knows the day or hour what fool would think I might be coming in 2000 years latter!?!? ..2 Tim 4: 4. And
      they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be TURNED UNTO FABLES.
      2Thess 2: 11. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12. That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
      DOWNLOAD FREE THE ENTIRE 480PG BOOK AT SEVERAL LOCATIONS
      https://www.scribd.com/doc/305366745/Revelation-the-First-Gospel-of-the-Kingdom
      or
      http://www.globethics.net/gtl/5455069 Revelation The First Gospel of The Kingdom
      or
      https://www.academia.edu/23464127/REVELATION_THE_FIRST_GOSPEL_OF_THE_KINGDOM
      #3 There is a sharp contrast between THREE groups :
      (1) “PREDESTINED DAMNED” who were NEVER written in the book of life ………..Rev 17: 8 WHOSE NAMES WERE NOT WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF LIFE FROM THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD, …as contrasted …EPH 1: 4. According as he hath CHOSEN US in him BEFORE THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD
      (2) “MANY CALLED”= ONLY and ALL SAINTS (those who come to Christ) are written in the book of life … Philippians 4:3… ……Rev 21:27; (Only saints are Called and elect; Rom 1:6-7 et al) This is THE CHRUCH and ONLY these can have their names blotted out of the book of life ….….Heb 12:23 to the general assembly and CHURCH of the firstborn … WHICH ………are WRITTEN in heaven,
      (3) THE FEW CHOSEN: Those saints who were alive in group #2 who are now physically dead. They died “faithful” these are the FEW that were chosen faithful…….Rev 3:5. ……; and I
      will not BLOT OUT HIS NAME OUT OF THE BOOK OF LIFE, (Ps 69:28) …. These are the FEW that are CHOSEN and now that they have died and are saved then “once saved THEY CAN NEVER BE LOST”
      Predestination….its true..its all true…download here
      https://www.scribd.com/doc/306868420/Most-True-Christians-Go-to-Hell
      http://www.globethics.net/gtl/10920800 Most true Christians go to hell
      https://www.academia.edu/25217564/Most_True_Christains_Go_to_Hell

    • Truthseeker

      goat I knew you would come, I knew you would not forget to post your “”123’s of true Christianity v popular & damnable heresies”" for the 5000th time.

      Thank you — you have made my day.

      And all the folks are waiting breathlessly to read this “stuff” for the 5000th time.

      I will not bother to prove point by point how far off from truth your “stuff” is because you are “hooked and truth can not come into play to those as hooked as you.

      If you would be willing to discus what you espouse I would be willing to so do. I would like the opportunity to point out your many errors and I would be willing to do so with whomever is feeding you this “stuff”.

      Ps. I fully realize both of you have minds that are locked shut; and that other fellow, “destined2Blost”, is like you as well, a mind of concrete.

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