May I ask a legitimate question concerning a rapture? To date no one has given me a logical answer and never one from the Word of God --- can you?
May I ask a legitimate question concerning a rapture? To date no one has given me a logical answer and never one from the Word of God — can you?
Moses face shined so bright Moses had to wear a veil just from being near Jesus Christ on the mountain for 40 days and 40 nights..
Christ stated man, flesh and blood, can not be in the presents of God and live.
Thus raptured humans must be changed to spirit to be in the presents of Christ in heaven. The Third Heaven is a spiritual habitation. Spirit do not need food, water or air to live — they have LIFE in them.
So for those children still living with their parents — the question — are the children left behind or do they also go to heaven with their parents?
Flesh and blood can not go to heaven: which means children and even teenagers must be changed also to spirit before they can dwell in heaven.
Is God going to change a one year old child into a spirit being?
Will the child remain as a child or be instantly changed into an adult?
Does this mean these kids never have to be converted, never have to repent or be baptized or endure until the end?
This is a stumbling block to me—- no opinions please only scriptures confirming how God would handle this problem.
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Crazy and jknbt
can you answer this question using clear scriptures?
If no one attempts to point out scriptures proving what happens to the raptured parent’s kids — I will assume it means there are no scriptures and the kids are not important.
Ttruthtrasher….Whatever ANYONE says or shows you through Scripture you will reject it, as that is what you ALWAYS do, your an ARGUMENTATIVE MAN by nature, one whom Scripture says is to avoid…
Now that being said, what is not surprising to me is !!, you’ve managed to overlook in the WORD YET AGAIN that say’s once one becomes a believer (a REAL CHRISTIAN) you and your HOUSEHOLD will be SAVED (children under 12yrs ONLY not adult spouses or teenage children) as after 12yrs your about your fathers business as shown by ….Y’shua being in the synagogue when he was twelve years old.Luke 2:41-52…. v50 “But they did not understand the statement which He spoke to them”
DO YOU NOW UNDERSTAND with your SPOOK like LOGIC ?…..somehow i doubt it!!!
You said….”can you answer this question using clear scriptures?”…..No Probs…. It’s CLEAR enuff to me but I know you struggle with plain text though, here goes nothing, as usual….
[Emphasis all mine]
They said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you AND
your household. 
“Acts 16:31
CLEAR enuff to me… “YOU AND YOUR HOUSEHOLD”
1 Corinthians 7:14
THEY ARE HOLY 
For the unbelieving husband has been sanctified through his wife, and the unbelieving wife has been sanctified through her BELIEVING husband. OTHERWISE your children would be unclean, BUT as it is,
You asked:…”are the children left behind or do they also go to heaven with their parents?”
AND
You asked….”Is God going to change a one year old child into a spirit being?”
Only one question there really, and Yep absolutely as per above…Acts 16:31….Philippians 3:20 But our citizenship is
in heaven…..IN HEAVEN …a CHANGED SPIRIT does not need
as you wrote….”Spirit do not need food, water or air to live — they have LIFE in them.”
You asked:…”Will the child remain as a child or be instantly changed into an adult?”
Insufficient detail in Scripture to know… However, avoid pointless discussions and ignorant questions when you know full well there are no details about this.
You asked….”Does this mean these kids never have to be converted, never have to repent or be baptized or endure until the end?”
Adieu
Well crazy as always you have given us nothing but your opinion, which is worthless.
So if a 12 year old has not “excepted Jesus” and believed in the rapture — they are left behind?? LOL Sucks to be their parent having to watch them suffer here on earth while you are living in luxury.
Crazy if kids under 12 go to heaven and become spirit being without having to live here on this corrupt earth and battle the pull of this flesh into sin then is God not a respecter of persons. and what is to say these under 12 are not potential criminals? What if they do not want to be Saved?
Does it matter if the child is 12 years and one day old or even 12 years and one hour?— how does that work?
I have sent 50 years fighting the Good fight and these kids, whom I live dearly, get a complete pass — so God is Fair in your confused mind???
The body of beliefs you hold are so discombobulated with one contradicting the next and the next making the next two impossible it truly demonstrates you are living up to your name.
truthrejecter…Well lets look at your reply which is nothing BUT YOUR OWN OPINION lol you REJECT GODS AUTHORITY on the subject and rationalize your WORKS are better than that of the WORD OF GOD who decides YOU”VE made YOURSELF GOD, ..are you going senile ?
I’ve given 4 CLEAR Scriptures from the WORD in context, for my position which YOU ASKED FOR, You have NOTHING in reply except DENILE of the WORD as USUAL and when you do manage too come up with A Scripture,..IT”S TWISTED
bottom line is your a TRUTH DENIER
Your argument is with God not me as HE Say’s “THEY ARE HOLY”(the children) and YOU DON’T LIKE IT “THEY ARE HOLY ” and your NOT, even with your 50yrs start of Good WORKS they are a filthy rag to Him …you have not known nor want to know about imputed righteousness as you want to make the RULES and do it THAT WAY of yours, you want to be recognized but your fit for nothing but to be burnt as the FLESH PROFITS NOTHING.
“It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing;
John 6:63
Believing Prostitutes and tax collectors are AHEAD of YOUR 50 yrs of good works, the JEWS for Jesus are AHEAD of YOUR deeds, and I KNOW you won’t believe it, there are Catholics AHEAD of YOU…
Repent seeker and believe that, HE PAID IT IN FULL ON THE CROSS and you and your household will be saved ….AS IT IS WRITTEN
adieu
crazy
I have known for 50 years that my children are Holy, spiritual clean and set aside in my Father’s eyes, why? because I obey my Father.
That does not in any way shape or form mean my children are saved? or will be in the first resurrection if that were to occur while they are young, My Father is not a respecter of persons — which you can not grasp.
You think God treats gentiles one way Jews another and maybe those of the House of Israel another AND then kids totally a different way — There IS ONE WAY period.
My children like my self and every single person ever born must repent, be baptized and by the Laying on of Hands receive the Father Holy Seed in them and then endure until their death or the return of Christ.
Ezekiel 14: 15 If I cause noisome beasts to pass through the land, and they spoil it, so that it be desolate, that no man may pass through because of the beasts:
16 Though these three men were in it, as I live, saith the Lord GOD, —-they shall deliver neither sons nor daughters; — they only shall be delivered, but the land shall be desolate.
Noah, Daniel, and Job are the three men and did you not understand crazy — God clearly states none of the three can deliver their own children from what is coming.
But you twist scriptures to mean what you want them to mean — i quote scriptures from the mouth of God that state you have not one clue of what you speak.
Just like the 12 year old thing — Just because Christ told His parents He must be about His Father’s work and you twist that to mean at 12 a person is of age? Show us a scripture that states that as a fact.
Do you not know Christ could not teach in the temple until He turned 30?
1And the LORD spake unto Moses and unto Aaron, saying,
2Take the sum of the sons of Kohath from among the sons of Levi, after their families, by the house of their fathers,
3From thirty years old and upward even until fifty years old, all that enter into the host, to do the work in the tabernacle of the congregation.
4This shall be the service of the sons of Kohath in the tabernacle of the congregation, about the most holy things:
faketruthseeker… you said “my children are Holy, spiritual clean and set aside in my Father’s eyes, why?
“”because I obey my Father”"….you’ve really lost the plot or your senile 
, because YOU think it’s BECAUSE of YOU, 
as I said your looking for recognition of YOUR WORKS AND DEEDS which are FILTHY RAGS to Him, so HOW CAN IT BE BECAUSE OF YOU!!!!that they’re HOLY ???? ESPECIALLY when the FLESH PROFITS NOTHING 
YOU TWIST God’s WORD and MEANING 
To be SANCTIFIED has NOTHING TO DO WITH US.
Anyway Your NOT even a real Christian,your belief of ‘THAT WAY’ is wretched,you search the Old Testament for eternal life and REJECT His Word of the GLORIOUS NEW COVENANT, the ONLY father you have is the devil “the father of lies”. the 1 Scripture you quote has NOTHING to do with your Questions ….WTH ?
non-seeker? you don’t UNDERSTAND as you have NO DISCERNMENT of Scripture as you DENY HE EXISTS the ONE whom guilds us in ALL TRUTHS the ONE (HE) the SPIRIT who speaks to the CHURCHES (those you detest) …GODS PEOPLE , your an out an out faker of the worst kind a reprobate SDA teacher of ‘THAT WAY’ not “The Way the TRUTH the LIFE” that Y’shua taught us His People.
Again Your Questions were answered the CHILDREN “ARE HOLY” and you do NOT understand GODS MEANING just like all the parables and the RAPTURE are a MYSTERY to you and with the looks of it ,it will always be
‘THAT WAY’
v50“But they did not understand the statement which He spoke to them”
The reason why is, because you have HARDENED your Heart into a Wretched PERPETUAL NAYSAYER , your blind
POOR IN SPIRIT 
,Miserable, and NEED YOUR EYES to be cleansed, so you can UNDERSTAND HIS WORD….
Revelation 3:17
I am about to spit you out of My mouth! 17You say, ‘I am rich; I have grown wealthy and need nothing.’ But you do not realize that you are wretched, pitiful, poor, blind, and naked. 18I counsel you to buy from Me gold refined by fire so that you may become rich, white garments so that you may be clothed and your shameful nakedness not exposed, and salve to anoint your eyes so that you may see.…
you said — “I will rule as a king or Lord” …
REPENT while you’re ALIVE because you will NOT be entering ANY KINGDOM on EARTH to be a KING
you’ll awake at the Great white Judgment seat and there’s NO SECOND CHANCES NONE even if your opinion say’s so.
you said “I am not going to heaven”
this is the Only thing you got right in 50,000 words
Adieu
busy, don’t have time for another round of your game of “bait and bite”…
you ask a lot of hard questions…not sure that the bible explicitly speaks to these matters….my stock answers when I get a hard question is:
1) wait and see, the Lord is coming soon
2) put this on your question list to ask when you get to heaven
3) invest in faith, it is more important to have Faith than to know all mysteries…see 1 Cor 13:2….here’s a link: https://www.biblegateway.com/quicksearch/?quicksearch=mysteries&qs_version=KJV
Jknbt
“it is more important to have Faith than to know all mysteries”
That is true but that FAITH must has as its foundation– TRUTH. — Faith in a lie is worthless as you will find out.
Sorry I know you do not like bait and bite games and I bit your bait above –but the truth is yes we must trust i.e. have faith and my trust my faith is founded on the teachings of my Master.
31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, —— If ye continue in my word, —- then are ye my disciples indeed;
Jknbt I am continuing in the Word of Jesus Christ. and as a result my Master said I will know the Truth and will be free from false doctrines and r lies. I am a student of Jesus Christ.
32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
jknbt I am not going to heaven — I will rule as a king or Lord with Jesus Christ on His throne here on earth for 1000 years and I know my Master plans to restore earth to the condition of the Garden of Eden and I am very excited about that work.
What work will you do in heaven??
will any of the one year old infants that crazy believes will be changed into spirit beings help you doing what ever there is to do in heaven
Ps the work of God is on earth.
When you are not so busy lets talk.
look at the pictures of heaven in the bible, and you will see plenty of joyous worship of God by all…there are many pictures of what goes on in heaven…
I have been overwhelmed by the Holy Spirit many times in spirit filled worship services. It is wonderful, like no natural experience. There is a heaviness of presence when the Spirit comes down on a church. I have felt the Holy Ghost spirit wind blow through me like I was a mesh screen on a screen door, just like it was on the day of pentecost. (don’t blaspheme and say that was the devil, it was not, period, I know that because of the love & holiness that was there, the devil doesn’t remember what love and holiness is, since he has been dead to God for so long)… It is in that atmosphere that miracles take place. This is all just a glimpse of heaven to come. How sad that you have no such hope.
https://www.biblestudytools.com/bible-study/topical-studies/what-is-heaven-like-11636670.html
https://bible.org/seriespage/11-worship-christ-revelation-51-14-191-8
strange, this one left out Isaiah 6
https://bible.knowing-jesus.com/topics/Heaven,-Worshiping-God
http://www.epm.org/resources/2010/Feb/4/what-does-bible-say-about-heaven/
I have heard testimonies of people who have been caught up into heaven for a visit and returned. Some report seeing kids everywhere, running, playing, having fun, just having a great time. These are the babies who have been murdered by abortion or otherwise died in innocence. They are taken to heaven, loved, cared for, and raised. The have full lifetimes in heaven. Nope, haven’t seen it myself, but am glad to hear about it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1H7E3MqQ6A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKPFqTahBoY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWsPMfqth9k
here’s another good heavenly visit testimony I just found:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5BKAvOeCek
watch the videos & look at the links before you erupt with your normal refutation…you will be touched & blessed if you do
jknbt
Do you think it possible Satan can do such wonderful miracles even the very elect would be deceived? That is exactly what Christ said would happen.
Satan is the god of the power of the air, he can send thoughts, cause emotions, causes many to speak in nonhuman languages etc. Satan has been placed in charge of this earth until Christ comes to remove him. He will even send fire down from heaven with such power the whole world will be convinced the Beast is god.
What you are describing in your comments are counter to what Christ and Paul and the other apostles taught.
Jknbt I am not convinced by “feelings” or emotions or miracles or pictures drawn by men or even by people that believe they have been to heaven.
Christ stated only He has been to heaven,
You are convinced many are being taken to heaven even before the first resurrection has taken place and in Revelation 20, where it speaks of the First resurrection and alludes to a 2nd, it does not even slightly say any are going to heaven and in other scriptures in Rev. it states the Saints will rule on earth as kings, I believe that is chapter 5.
And what about Paul?
50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
If Children are in heaven they are not flesh and blood and neither can an adult be in heaven in their body of flesh.
That which is born of flesh IS flesh and that which is born of the Spirit “IS” SPIRIT so states Jesus Christ.
51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye,— at the last trump: — for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
According to Paul the dead are not raise incorruptible until the last trump and that last Trump occurs in a moment – in the twinkling of an eye — not over the course of 2000 years,
I have never found mention of a 2000 year long resurrection of the dead or the living.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
I can not accept any thing counter to the Word of God and what you are speaking of — is counter
Jknbt I can not find any scriptures to back up what you are telling me is taking place in heaven, should I just trust your word or should I trust every Word of God? You know my answer.
one more “bite” on your part…you are unteachable & unreachable…you asked for answers, and you said no.
Lord, I tried.
More poor stewardship on my part, when will I learn…
jknbt
What stewardship ? when I use the words of Jesus Christ or Paul proving you are not even close to the truth — you just ignore them.
Tell me is it a fact or not that people and abortions have been resurrected to the 3rd heaven daily over the last 2000 years— according to you?
and then show me where that is written — do do not care what some women or man has to say about their trip to heaven.
you work at twisting my words or adding words…
the word “resurrection” refers to the body. no, the aborted babies’ little bodies are still in the dumpster behind the abortion clinic or in the landfill. The ghouls that run the abortion clinics have taken to cutting them up and putting them down the disposal unit in the sink in their coffee break room at the clinics. So those bodies end up in the sewer. The Lord will raise them up physically in the rapture or second coming.
People can be caught up into a heavenly vision in the Holy Spirit without their corrupt bodies having to go to heaven too…I know people that have had this experience.
Once again, too bad you have no hope of a heavenly vision or of heaven itself.
You don’t realize it, but hope of heaven and the going out in the rapture is bait on the hook. God is trying to get you to buy in and repent. If you refuse the ministry of “fishers” like me on BIN, eventually God will send “hunters”. You don’t want to suffer what the hunters can do to you. Beware of the hunters.
Jeremiah 16:16 Behold, I will send for many fishers, saith the Lord, and they shall fish them; and after will I send for many hunters, and they shall hunt them from every mountain, and from every hill, and out of the holes of the rocks.
once again, more poor stewardship of my time.
I noticed this after hitting the enter button:
Rom 2:5-8 But after thy hardness and unrepentant heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God; Who will render to every man according to his deeds: To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life: But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,
Yep, this is talking about you, Truth Avoider.
jknbt: here it the bottom line:
your “big hope” is having visions and having emotional feelings running through your body and then escaping pain and living in heaven
I am enduring this evil world in the “expectation” of being Born again into the Family of God as a Son of the Father, born this time not with a corruptible body of flesh but one that is fashioned as my Savior Jesus Christ – “spirit” and then to be given a Crown and a throne from which to rule the whole earth under the King of kings.
I hope to rule under the KING of kings and assist Him in restoring the entire earth as the Garden of Eden and then assist My King in bringing the 100 billion folks that never had their one opportunity for eternal life into my Father’s family as Sons.
There can be nothing greater offered me then what my Father and His First Born are wanting to share with me.
I know you can not understand now but you will later.
Jeremiah 16:16 Behold, I will send for many fishers, saith the Lord, and they shall fish them; and after will I send for many hunters, and they shall hunt them from every mountain, and from every hill, and out of the holes of the rocks.
I love this one tks for posting…
Crazy,
so you must think the sons and daughter of the folk believing the rapture lie are more important to God then the children of Noah, Job and Daniel?
by the way Daniel never had children as he was a eunuch thanks to the Babylonians.
crazy I know nothing I quote or write can ever change your mind — I just want folks to see the difference between us.
Non-truthseeker — I just want folks to see the difference between us.
No-one sees your madness over here under spirituality except maybe 5 people rechecking lol
and to answer that question above indubitably they’re THE BRIDE
LOL so Christ is going to marry little kids?????
You are crazy
DEATHseeker ….”LOL so Christ is going to marry little kids?????”
1 Corinthians 7:14
THEY ARE HOLY 
For the unbelieving husband has been sanctified through his wife, and the unbelieving wife has been sanctified through her BELIEVING husband. OTHERWISE your children would be UNCLEAN, BUT as it is,
What is CRAZY deathseeker is that YOU TOTALLY DENY the AUTHORITY OF GOD on SALVATION, ESPECIALLY the KIDS !!!..
They said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you AND
your household. 
“Acts 16:31
YOU AND YOUR HOUSEHOLD otherwise they would be UNCLEAN
“CLEAR enuff to me… “YOU AND YOUR HOUSEHOLD”
”
Where in your senile mind does it say or I IMPLIED He is to marry kids aka babies ?…..YOUR QUESTIONS were ANSWERED by the WORD OF GOD succinctly.
The Children THEY ARE HOLY and GO in the Rapture Rescue as HE PROMISED
HalleluYAH ….”as it is written” in the Scripture given to your EASY TO ANSWER Quiz….How many more Crazy times do you need me to REITERATE this…lol
crazy it says they are Holy, and that to you means they are saved and going to be raptured????
Does that mean when they grow up and have their own kids their kids also are automatically saved as well??
What a great system — no one has to repent they only have to be born into the right family….
in the way you invent doctrines, crazy, you can justify anything you so desire.
Crazy if a kid, according to the doctrine you have invented, gets to heaven just in time for the marriage, which does NOT take place in the 3rd heaven, will Christ wave His hand and change the kid into an adult or will He marry a little kid.
Crazy what you have invented as doctrine is so illogical, so far from sound biblical facts it can only make sense to you.
crazy
Please read the scriptures you pointed to — closely—
“”"Sirs, what must I do to be saved?”
31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, — and thy house.
32 And they spake unto him the word of the Lord, —-and to all that were in his house.
Verse 32 two states the Apostles spake to them the WORD and what is that word whereby we can be saved??
Repent and be baptized and you will receive by the laying of of hands God’s Spirit.
verse 33 states this fellow and “all his” were baptized — crazy show us where any little kids have ever been baptized?
33 And he took them the same hour of the night, and washed their stripes; and was baptized, he and all his, straightway.
34 And when he had brought them into his house, he set meat before them, and rejoiced, believing in God with all his house.
Crazy show all who will read this comment where a two year old or a 10 year old believed and rejoiced and was baptized????
Give as the specific words stating little kids can repent and be baptized and be saved.
Crazy your doctrine are your own — I never hear “your” stuff from others –only form you.
cursedseeker…”Does that mean when they grow up and have their own kids their kids also are automatically saved as well??
Did you finish school ? your comprehension is TERRIBLE deliberately so or your Senile, go get it checked.
After 12 yrs they are Adults so if NOT BORN AGAIN THEY WON’T BE RAPTURED let alone there Kids, can’t you read…?
you said..”in the way you invent doctrines”…..I gave CLEAR SCRIPTURE for Children saved…. YOU LIE.
trasher…Like it or lump it …
THEY ARE HOLY…. “as it is written”
you said…”will He marry a little kid” I’ve already answered this …THIS IS PROOF of YOUR SENILITY
Cursedseeker …”They are HOLY”… as it is written… end of your Quiz.
“Crazy show all who will read this comment where a two year old or a 10 year old believed and rejoiced and was baptized????
Give as the specific words stating little kids can repent and be baptized and be saved.”
YOUR QUESTIONS ARE ABOUT CHILDREN GOING IN THE RAPTURE
****REMEMBEEEER**** THEY ARE BY THE WORD OF GOD “MADE HOLY” BY FAITH ALONE.
1 Corinthians 7:14
THEY ARE HOLY 
For the unbelieving husband has been sanctified through his wife, and the unbelieving wife has been sanctified through her BELIEVING husband. OTHERWISE your CHILDREN would be UNCLEAN, BUT as it is,
Cursedseeker…”Crazy your doctrine are your own — I never hear “your” stuff from others –only form you.”
My own as you call them are straight out of Scripture
“as it is written”
You won’t have heard from others AS YOU HAVE NO AFFILIATION or FRIENDSHIPS with ANY OF GOD’S PEOPLE…HIS CHURCHES as you live in the WILDERNESS with your flock of WOLVES.
Cursedseeker I think it’s time to remove ALL YOUR WRETCHED FANTASY STORIES like you use to, as there ALL HOGWASH a testimony of your DISOBEDIENCE to the CLEAR WRITTEN WORD OF GOD
LOL disobedient according as to how crazy times has interpreted them.