Who is now in charge of bringing many sons to Glory: The Son or The Father ?

Who is now in charge of bringing many sons to Glory: The Son or The Father ?  This is an extremely important doctrinal question.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Who is it we to follow, to imitate, to become like?

Who are we to come before in prayer?

Who answers our prayers?

Who is in control preparing God’s Holy Ones for the resurrection?

Who corrects us when we move off that “narrow difficult path”?

Who is ultimately in charge of all things ?

 

Most ministers and preachers today focus on a ‘relationship” with “Jesus Christ of Nazareth” and generally ignore His Father who is our Father as well.

Most of “Christianity” has accepted the lie Christ was forced to come to earth to rectify the great number of problems the Father had caused. They do not express their doctrines in these clear terms but the following explains the reality of their accepted beliefs.

“That ‘burdensome’ ‘curse’ of a Law The Father laid on the Children of Israel which states we can not have crosses (idols) hanging around our necks, or we can not, from time to time when necessary, Lie – or – we can not commit adultery with that gorgeous and willing girl at the office and who really needs to “rest” on that 7^th Day – “that’s MY day to play” – the Sabbath is just a Jewish thing any way as is the law.

The Christian mantra: —We are now “Under” grace and all we have to do is let “Jesus” come into our hearts and ‘just believe’ – that’s it. If you even attempt to Keep the Law then the sacrifice of Christ is no use to you.

The above is the basic premise of modern Christianity.

 

Some, those unable or simply unwilling to accept the words from the mouth of Jesus Christ believe many mistakes have made thus The Father or maybe even Jesus Christ as well has been forced to change course when something did not workout as expected.

What other reason can there be for abolishing the Law other then it was a bad mistake in the first place?

I am not at all sure who main stream Christianity believes is actually in charge whether it is the Father or the Son or maybe it’s that “Ghost” without a name, you know that “Ghost” that never speaks in the first person ?

The abominably lie God must keep changing “the way” He “saves” folks is labeled – “dispensations” i.e. “ if this way does not work lets try another” we are bound to get it right at some point!

The following are a few of the supposed seven or more dispensations, as I understand them.

• Adam and Eve were made and that did not work out as planned.
• God gave Moses the Law and that ended as a disaster as not one could or would obey the law.
• Christ was forced to come to earth and teach “salvation through law” and after His death get Paul to set up this new doctrine of “Grace” and abolish that evil Jewish way of earning salvation by obeying God.

I would guess “Grace” is still in play and we must wait to see if this new attempt will work or if yet another change is necessary.

The above are some of the invented periods of “dispensation” which supposedly are the different, to date, – failed attempts – by God to carry out some kind of plan whereby God is allegedly trying – “His best” – to save the whole earth and to give “immoral souls” – eternal life in heaven for some unknown reason — and – all attempts to day have failed but the jury is still out on the “doctrine of Grace”: AKA the “get out of jail for free” card.

Isn’t giving ‘eternal life’ to ‘immortal souls’ an oxymoron? This main stream doctrine is very confusing to me.

And saving the entire world is not working out well either as only about 20% of the worlds population of 7.5 billion can be considered as even nominally Christian.

And to the “many” the above confusion makes perfect sense. How is that even possible?

If the above were true, and I Thank my Father and His Son — it is NOT, I personally would prefer the Lake of Fire as I hate confusion and inept authority.

This study will focus primarily on the words of Jesus Christ:

Because —

“IF” —-

The SON of GOD

• Our Passover
• Our Savior
• Our High Priest
• Our Redeemer
• The Lamb of God
• The “Way”
• The “Life”
• The ‘Truth’
• The Bread of life
• The Rock of our Salvation
• The Pioneer of our Salvation
• The Head of the Body
• The First born of many brethren
• The soon coming KING of kings and LORD of lords

 

“IF”—

“This” — Jesus Christ, — who – IS ALL OF THE ABOVE — and much much more can not be trusted to faithfully teach us precisely and exactly that ONE WAY to gain eternal life — then – how are we not lost — with no hope of salvation?

If we can not trust the Words of our Savior who was put to death because of our sins and who IS all of the above– who then? Paul? Some minister, priest, preacher or some one with a master’s degree in theology?

I do not understand how folks that appear to be intelligent simply ignore Jesus Christ when He contradicts what they want to believe?

This study will only include a few scriptures from the letters of the Apostle Paul, even thought Paul teaches the Truth — as Paul’s words are hard to understand and have been twisted in to 40,000 diverse doctrines by those that are unlearned and unstable.

For too long “nominal” Christians have turned a blind eye towards the words of Jesus Christ choosing instead to base their doctrines on pagan fables, lies of demons and the easily twisted words of Paul.

So! Just who are we to follow, who set the example, who pioneered the Way, who shined the light on that narrow path for us to follow — so we may also follow Jesus Christ into life eternal?

Matthew 19;

21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go [and] sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: —- and come [and] follow me.

Jesus Christ told the rich man to “come and follow Me” , Jesus, when calling His Apostles, also told them to “Come and follow Me”.

I have been told so many times and in so many ways the instructions Jesus Christ gave His disciples and Apostles – ONLY Lasted - for the 3 ½ years before His death and then at His death — it all changed – time for a new “dispensation” right? It’s called “Grace’.

I do not understand !— Please explain it to me if you can?

Why would Jesus Christ our Passover, who came down from the 3rd heaven, tell the rich man and His disciples and His 12 Apostles to follow Him only for the time remaining in His 3 ½ years of preaching the Gospel and confirming the covenant and then expect them at His death to reject all Christ taught and follow Paul on a totally different path to salvation?

What rational spirit filled mind would accept that doctrine?

Is there more then one Way, more then one Door? Just Who is it – we are to follow?

John 14

5 Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we know not whither thou goest;—– and how can we know —- the Way?

6 Jesus saith unto him, —-I am the Way, — the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, — but by me.

Note:

Jesus Christ is leading us to the Father; Christ is The Way and by His death Christ opened the Door to our Father in heaven for those that follow HIM.

Are we not called to become Sons of the Father? Have we not been separated from our Father by our sins? Has Christ not come to redeem us from the penalty we are under for our sins and has He not ripped in two the veil to the Throne Room of our Father — so we may enter and come before our Father?

When we follow in the steps of Jesus Christ we are actually following Christ as HE follows the Father. This will be addressed later.

John 10

1 Verily, verily, I say unto you, —He that entereth not —- by the door into the sheepfold, —- but climbeth up some other way, —the same is a thief and a robber.

“but climbeth up—some—‘other –way”, —the same is a thief and a robber.” And are there not many other – ways — taught by the 40,000 different Kinds of confusion i.e. Christian churches?

Is there not the Lutheran way? Is there not the Baptist way? Is there not the Seven day Adventists way? Is there not the Pentecostal way? On and On and On it goes.

2 But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep.

7 Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep.

In the light of John 10 and 14 — how can Jesus Christ Be — THE Way — and –THE Door — but for only 3 ½ years ??

I would love to see how you dispensationalists twist this one around. Paul’s teachings match Christ’s exactly – until — you twist them to match your own.

Jesus Christ taught as Fact the Law i.e. the Torah is to be lived by and obeyed and Jesus Christ stated as Fact HE is the ONE Door and HE is that ONE Way and when you so called Christians bury Christ and all He did and taught as truth and that ONE WAY — in the grave –

 

ARE YOU NOT PROCLAIMING TO THE WORLD JESUS CHRIST IS A LIAR ?

 

To add to this confusion some think it’s OK for Jews to obey the Law, if they want to, but gentiles are not under any requirement to obey and if they do — they are sinning as they would be trying to gain salvation by works of the law.

Thus by this doctrine of confusion so called Christians have divided that ONE WAY into two separate ways, one way for the Jews and another way for gentiles?   Is God double minded?

How folks can accept this illogical foolishness and believe this mish mash of confusion boggles my mind. And in doing so are they not making God a respecter of persons? Are not the Words of Jesus Christ perfectly clear and are not Paul’s easy to twist according to Peter??

 

The sad fact — none of the dispensationalist and most of the so called Christians will not read this far and even if they did — it is given only to the few to understand the Words of our Savior.

As there is so much truth and information packed into the Words of Jesus and as most want the “cliff notes” only, I will attempt to shorten what follows by quoting the Words of Jesus Christ and limiting my comments.

And please; if you do not agree — use scripture and logic to explain exactly WHY and do not bother to rail against the writer. No opinions, opinions of men are without value –period.

John 6

35 And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.

But the dispensationalist do not “believe” Christ, their doctrine teaches what Christ did and taught died with Him. Question, can Jesus still be the Bread of Life if what He taught ended at the stake? Please explain how that is possible?

If the questions asked in this paper can not be answered by clear scriptures and by sound logic then it is up to you to determine if your faith is built on solid rock or quick sand?

             Digression:

             Here is an example of Jesus Christ using Logic:

41 While the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them,

42 Saying, What think ye of Christ? whose son is he? They say unto him, [The Son] of David.

43 He saith unto them, How then doth David in spirit call him Lord, saying,

44 The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?

45 If David then call him Lord, — how is he his son?

46 And no man was able to answer him a word, neither durst any [man] from that day forth ask him any more [questions].

My Lord and Master used logic to confound His critics and So will I.  None to date have challenged the logic put forth in these papers.

36 But I said unto you, That ye also have “seen me’, and — believe not.

How could so many see Jesus Christ perform miracle after miracle and hear His Words and yet not believe? After 3 ½ years there were only 120 that trusted Jesus Christ and were “loyal” to Him and DID what He taught.

Verse 36 sheds light on why so many can read the words of Christ and yet not believe them or DO them and Verse 37 explains why they can not believe.

37 All that the Father —- giveth me — shall come to me; — and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

Only those few the Father calls and sends to Jesus Christ can understand and believe and DO and only those few will be in that First Resurrection! No verse 37 does not mention the resurrection but verse 39 below states that is the intent.

No, Jesus Christ is not making the selection, the determination of who will be included into the Body of Christ as that decision is in the Father’s Hands alone. The Fathers calls many and chooses the few that will become the First Fruits, the Father’s spring harvest of HIS Sons.

NASB 37 “All that the Father “gives Me’—- will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will certainly not cast out.

Most translations agree, it is the Father selecting who will be called at this time and given into Christ’s care, Not Jesus Christ.

So who is in charge?

38 For I came down from heaven, — not to do mine own will, — but the will of him that sent me.

As stated at the beginning most so called Christians today believe Christ came to abort what the Father set up and in its place – for only 3 ½ years —teach salvation through the Law and THEN Christ sent in Paul to reverse the Law Jesus Christ taught for 3 ½ years — how much more confusing can this get??

Christ came to do and did only His Father’s Will – not His own!

39 And this is the Father’s will which hath sent me, — that of all which– he hath given me — I should lose nothing, — but should raise it up again at the last day.

40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

If you “believe” but are not a DOER of the doctrines taught by Christ then to you Christ states the following: 46 And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?   47 Whosoever cometh to me, — and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, –I will shew you to whom he is like:

Belief alone without actions – the actions necessary to prove that belief is real– is worthless.

James 2

20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

21 Was not Abraham our father — justified by works, — when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?

 

65 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.

Christ has stated now three times in chapter 6: “that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.” And yet not only the dispensationalist but the majority of “Christianity” firmly believes it is up to each individual to seek and find Christ. NOPE! Not true.

Jesus Christ has stated three times in this chapter– it is not up to each person to chose Christ as their savior, either the Father calls you to Christ or you can not come to Him, –period.

How many times have we heard “you better get right with God”? Explain how that is possible in the light of verses 37, 39 and 65? And no one has yet explained what one must do to– “get right with God”. The Bible has the answer: Obey Him!

John 7

38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.

39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost spirit was not yet [given]; because that Jesus was not yet glorified. )

The Holy Spirit of the Father was never poured out on all men until 50 days after the resurrection of Jesus Christ. And it was on the Feast of Pentecost that the Church of God was founded when the Father poured out His Spirit on the 120.

John 14:

28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, I and come [again] unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: — for my Father is greater than I.

The Father is in charge of all things: The Father placed all things under the authority and control of Jesus Christ but the Father did not place Himself under Christ, this fact will be explained by Paul towards the end of this paper.

As I despise the satanic doctrine of a rapture, how does this statement by our Savior point to a rapture? “I go away, I and come [again] unto you.” Christ states “I am going away’ and “I come ‘unto’ you”, Christ is not stating I am leaving you now but will come to take you away from this horrible earth, — but “I come –unto – you”, Christ does not state; you are coming to ME!

6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: — no man cometh unto the Father, — but by me.

8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.

9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou [then], Shew us the Father?

Verses 6 – 9 are a stone of stumbling for many folks, but the facts found throughout the Word show – the Father and the Son are in absolute agreement in every single thing, They are separate persons but are of the same mind, they both live by the Torah which reveals their Divine Nature and are in absolute agreement 100% of the time – thus if Philip knew the Way, the mind and will of Jesus Christ, then he has seen the Father’s Mind and Way and Will — His Divine Nature.

Amos2: 3 Can two walk together, except they be agreed?

Jeremiah 31: 33 states; God the Father is placing in each person “He” calls to Christ– HIS – Holy Righteous Perfect Divine Nature by and through The Father’s Holy Spirit i.e. the Father’s Holy Seed.

It was by this same Spirit of the Father that Jesus Christ was raised from death to eternal spirit life and the Father’s spirit that returned Jesus Christ to life placed in Christ the Divine Nature of God the Father — the Father and the Son are of the same exact Divine Nature and thus are “ONE”.

As we ourselves will be raised from death by that same ONE Spirit we also will be ONE with our Father and Jesus Christ and in us will be that same Divine Holy Nature –2 Peter 1: 4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

All in the Family of God I.e. Elohiym will have that same Holy Divine Nature.

10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, — he doeth the works.

So who is ultimately in charge, whose work is being accomplished? The Father’s work! Even the words spoken by Jesus and the miracles He performed — are all done by His Father.

Even after having these words placed before their eyes — those calling themselves Christians can not and will not believe His Words.

Jesus Christ is building the “house” as Christ is the Master Builder i.e. The Maker who made all things — the Father is the Master Architect in charge of expanding His Household, His Family. In a family, who is it head, the father or the son?

11 Believe me that I [am] in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works’ sake.

12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater [works] than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.

14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do [it].

Our prayers, as we have read, are directed to our Father in heaven (verse 9 below) and as we have been instructed to ask for what we need in the name i.e by the authority of Jesus Christ we are thus asking our Father and He will instruct His Son to give us what we ask for.

The Father is in charge, He is the head of HIS Family and the Father placed His First Born Son in charge of caring for the Father’s Sons.

Matthew 6:

7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen [do]: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.

8 Be not ye therefore like unto them: —for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, —- before ye ask him.

“before ye ask him.” So who are we to come before in prayer? The Father, exactly as did Jesus Christ and exactly as Jesus instructed us to do.

9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.

When we pray we are to approach our Father in heaven.

3 But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth:

4 That thine alms may be in secret: and thy Father which seeth in secret himself shall reward thee openly.

And who is it that answers our prayer – “and thy Father which seeth in secret — ‘himself” — shall reward thee openly. “

Who was it that answered all the prayers of Jesus Christ? His Father who will also answer ours.

14 For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:

              So who is it that forgives our sins?

 

15 But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

18 That thou appear not unto men to fast, but unto thy Father which is in secret: and thy Father, which seeth in secret, shall reward thee openly.

26 Behold the fowls of the air: for they sow not, neither do they reap, nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feedeth them. Are ye not much better than they?

So it is the Father that personally rewards us for our works, but that reward is delivered to us by the SON.

We will use the writings of Paul to demonstrate the Father is still in charge.

1 Corinthians 15

20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, [and] become the firstfruits of them that slept.

Jesus Christ is the first of the first Fruits to rise from death, those in that First Resurrection are God’s First Fruits and the 144,000 are the very last of the First Fruits harvest.

21 For since by man [came] death, (Adam) by man (Jesus Christ) [came] also the resurrection of the dead.

22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall “all” be made alive.

Just a point of interest: if Adam is not dead then how can Christ make him alive?

The satanic doctrine of an “immortal soul” is the snare Satan used to con Eve and he has successfully used that same lie with the 40,000 flavors of what is falsely called Christianity. “The dead know not anything”.

23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ’s at his coming.

24 Then [cometh] the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he (Jesus Christ) shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

25 For he (Christ) must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.

26 The last enemy [that] shall be destroyed [is] death.

27 For he (the Father) hath put all things under his (Jesus Christ) feet. But when he saith all things are put under [him, it is] manifest that — “he (the Father) is excepted,” — which (the Father) did put all things under him.

God the Father still rules! God the Father is greater then Christ.

Paul is using logic to demonstrate the fact “the one” (the Father) with whom rest all power can delegate that power to another (Jesus Christ. Thus the Father turn over the management of that power, but that does not at all put Jesus Christ over the Father in authority.

In corporate terms the Father is Chairmen of the Board and Jesus Christ is the CEO. The Father has final authority but has appointed Christ to run the day to day according to the directions dictated by the Chairmen of the Board – thus by the will of the Father.

And NO the Family of God is a Family and not a corporation.

28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him (the Father) that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

Matthew 6

24 No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.

We will end with the statement of Jesus Christ in verse 24 above.

What so called Christianity has done and specifically the dispensation crowd is to divide God into two masters, one that demands obedience to His Holy Law and one that says forget that evil law and just “believe”.

And which Master do you suppose is Loved?

I would love to continue, there is so much more – but — and there is always a “but” — long papers are not read, especially those deep and detailed and counter to the accepted beliefs of the day.

If any desire more – just ask.