Climategate Leaker: Our Civilization Is Being Killed By Lying ‘Science’ Elitists

Anonymous hero who exposed the global warming emails tells the world why he did it – and releases a huge final trove of secret conversations.
By Ron Arnold
“What if climate change appears to be just mainly a multi-decadal natural fluctuation? They’ll kill us probably.”
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Manasquan, NJ --(Ammoland.com)- This private musing between two climate scientist colleagues first surfaced along with a whole raft of embarrassing material in 2011, when the anonymous Climategate leaker who calls himself “Mr. FOIA” leaked his second set of emails from Britain’s disgraced Climate Research Unit (CRU) at the University of East Anglia. Now, Mr. FOIA has emerged for a third time, sharing with the world not only his entire batch of 220,000 encrypted emails and documents but also, for the first time, his thoughts.
Mr. FOIA had previously released two batches of 5,000 files each in 2009 and 2011. This enormous third batch went to a network of friends for decoding, sorting and publication.
The first and second email batches contained conversations among “scientists” who appear to have dishonored a once respectable discipline, documenting that their claims of a “man-made global warming crisis” look exactly like deliberate contrivances for academic career gain, research funding and positions of political power in “the cause.”
Some big-name players are playing games with people’s lives and livelihoods.
Biggest Player. The United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) is the scientific panel whose reports contain the work of Climategate figures – and are highly politicized and publicized to increase fear of Anthropogenic Global Warming (AGW): “imminent catastrophic man-made climate change.” Many horrendously expensive and needless local, state, federal and international policies have flowed from IPCC’s flawed reports.
Most Powerful Symbol. Professor Michael Mann’s “Hockey Stick Graph” was featured prominently in the 2001 IPCC Third Assessment Report. It alleged that global temperatures were flat for a thousand years before 1900, but then radically increased because of AGW. The chart looks like a hockey stick, a long straight line that bends sharply upward at the end. With recent IPCC admissions that temperatures have not increased for at least the past 16 years, the curve has now plunged downward to become as flat as the rest of the hockey stick, which is where public trust in climate science is headed.
The Game. “The game is communicating climate change; the rules will help us win it,” says an astounding, horrifying UK government-funded booklet leaked by Mr. FOIA titled “The Rules of the Game: Evidence base for the Climate Change Communications Strategy.” Written by the UK public relations firm Futerra for six UK agencies – including The Carbon Trust – for use by ethics and public relations tone-deaf scientists,
“The Rules” teaches sophisticated behavior change tactics, including: “Climate change must be ‘front of mind’ before persuasion works” … “Link climate change mitigation to positive desires/aspirations” … “Beware the impacts of cognitive dissonance” and “Use emotions and visuals” (e.g., scare people with the Hockey Stick Graph). It treats the public like gullible idiots who can be frightened and manipulated by seemingly trustworthy scientists to believe in AGW.
For a long time, it worked.
The Team. Phil Jones, head of the CRU; Peter Thorne of the UK Met Office (the national weather service, originally the Meteorological Office) was joined by Kevin Trenberth, climate analysis section head of the U.S. National Center for Atmospheric Research (NCAR); Tom Wigley, also of NCAR; and the litigious Penn State University Hockey Stick originator, Michael Mann.
James M. Taylor, senior fellow for environment policy at The Heartland Institute, sums their actions up this way. The team consciously distorted and actively suppressed critical knowledge, then furiously tried to hide their actions by conducting a vicious smear campaign to discredit critics.
Consciously distorted: NCAR’s Wigley once complained to Mann, “Mike, the Figure you sent is very deceptive … there have been a number of dishonest presentations of model results by individual authors and by IPCC.…”
Peter Thorne of the UK Met Office warned Phil Jones, head of the CRU: “Observations do not show rising temperatures throughout the tropical troposphere, unless you accept one single study and approach and discount a wealth of others. This is just downright dangerous. We need to communicate the uncertainty and be honest. Phil, hopefully we can find time to discuss these further if necessary.… I also think the science is being manipulated to put a political spin on it, which for all our sakes might not be too clever in the long run.”
Suppressed critical knowledge: Phil Jones wrote, “I’ve been told that IPCC is above national FOI Acts. One way to cover yourself and all those working on the IPCC 5th Assessment Report would be to delete all e-mails at the end of the process. Any work we have done in the past is done on the back of the research grants we get – and has to be well hidden. I’ve discussed this with the main funder [the U.S. Department of Energy] in the past and they are happy about not releasing the original station data.”
The U.S. government was colluding with the hiders, who received tens of millions of dollars over the years.
Jones wrote to Mann, “Mike, can you delete any emails you may have had with Keith Briffa re AR4 [the IPCC 4th Assessment Report]? Keith will do likewise. … We will be getting Caspar Ammann to do likewise.”
Tom Crowley, a key member of Mann’s global warming hockey team, showed crass disregard for the lying and hiding: “I am not convinced that the ‘truth’ is always worth reaching, if it is at the cost of damaged personal relationships.” It’s more important to keep the career back-scratching team happy.
The distortion, spin, suppression and smear campaign went on for years. In fact, the revelations sparked a furious “hide the lies” denial campaign that ironically calls skeptics “deniers.” What the skeptics actually deny is that there has been much honest science involved in the IPCC process; that there is any evidence to support claims that we face an imminent climate crisis; and that humans are primarily responsible for weather and climate variations that have always been controlled by hundreds of complex, inter-related natural forces and processes.
“Hide the lies” generated lawsuits between climate science “believers” (what kind of real science requires belief?) and skeptics of “dangerous man-made planetary warming” – along with ridiculous conspiracy theories such as “Big Oil hired evil hackers in a plot to discredit angelic climate scientists.”
Mr. FOIA denies these absurd allegations in his 3.0 message. “I took what I deemed the most defensible course of action, and would do it again,” he said. “That’s right; no conspiracy, no paid hackers, no Big Oil. The Republicans didn’t plot this. USA politics is alien to me, neither am I from the UK. There is life outside the Anglo-American sphere.”
“The first glimpses I got behind the scenes did little to garner my trust in the state of climate science – on the contrary,” Mr. FOIA continued. “I found myself in front of a choice that just might have a global impact.” Reveal what he had discovered, or keep it to himself and let the lies continue?
Didn’t he fear discovery? “When I had to balance the interests of my own safety, the privacy and career of a few scientists, and the well-being of billions of people living in the coming several decades … millions and billions already struggling with malnutrition, sickness, violence, illiteracy, etc. … the first two weren’t the decisive concern.”
Why did he do it? His answer was both angry and anguished: “Climate science has already directed where humanity puts its capability, innovation, mental and material ‘might’ …. The price of ‘climate protection’ with its cumulative and collateral effects is bound to destroy and debilitate in great numbers, for decades and generations,” he wrote. “We can’t pour trillions in this massive hole-digging-and-filling-up endeavor and pretend it’s not [taking] away from something and someone else.”
That’s the most important statement so far in the decades-old climate debate: You’re forcing us backward into poverty and ignorance – for nothing, except to further your careers, funding and power.
Less than a week later, London’s Mail on Sunday newspaper ran an outraged feature based on the British Meteorological Office’s recent admission that global surface temperatures haven’t risen in more than 15 years. Citing a chart of predicted and actual temperatures, the Mail noted: “Official predictions of global climate warming have been catastrophically flawed. The graph on this page blows apart the ‘scientific basis’ for Britain reshaping its entire economy and spending billions in taxes and subsidies in order to cut emissions of greenhouse gases. The chart shows in incontrovertible detail how the speed of global warming has been massively overestimated. Yet those forecasts have had a ruinous impact on the bills we pay, from heating to car fuel to huge sums paid by councils to reduce carbon emissions. The eco-debate was, in effect, hijacked by false data.”
Is it improper to label the people responsible for this costly, miserable catastrophe as “eco-thugs”? And should we worry that the latest no-real-energy “energy security” proposal from the White House is telling us that President Obama has become America’s “Eco-thug in Chief,” who will continue to peddle fraudulent science and nearly worthless renewable energy to further his agenda? It’s worth pondering.
A set of pro forma “investigations” claim to have exonerated PSU’s Mann. The internal PSU inquiry – with no impartial truth-seekers involved – was not going to harm their grant-getting cash cow Mann; instead, it whitewashed the evidence to ensure the preferred conclusion. Professional science groups that relied upon public funding for their financial survival fell in line behind a huge Tom Sawyer campaign of “exoneration.” There was no exoneration.
Summaries presented in court filings for the case of American Tradition Institute v. University of Virginia and Michael Mann – which demands release of Michael Mann’s emails – say, “Mann has never been exonerated…. Exoneration requires investigation; investigation requires pursuit aimed at discovering material facts. Mann’s employer since 2005, Penn State University, has conducted no such thing. Neither has the University of Virginia.”
The same conclusion applies to the UK’s Muir Russell and Oxburgh inquiries, which didn’t even mention Mann, because they were “investigating” only employees of the CRU.
I asked Christopher C. Horner, senior fellow at the Competitive Enterprise Institute and attorney in the ATI v. UVa/Mann lawsuit for his take on the leaker’s message. He told me, “Whatever prompted ‘Mr. FOIA,’ I take it as a statement that, so far, the courts have failed us, as have our political institutions – and he has concluded that those in the public who have resisted the climate industry agenda should now have a chance to review these taxpayer-financed records, which are the subject of a remarkable campaign to subvert transparency laws.”
We ourselves can’t avoid blame for the science disaster uncovered by Mr. FOIA. As Peter Foster of London’s Financial Times noted, we didn’t heed President Dwight Eisenhower’s warning. “Most people are aware of Ike’s warning in 1961 about the military-industrial complex,” Foster wrote. Our fatal error was to ignore what he said next: “In holding scientific research and discovery in respect, as we should, we must also be alert to the equal and opposite danger that public policy could itself become the captive of a scientific-technological elite.” [emphasis added]
Americans won’t take captivity. It’s time to demote our climate masters to our humble servants. We won’t kill them. But we should sentence them to prison – or Siberia, where they’ll wish the climate was warming.
Examiner columnist Ron Arnold is executive VP of the Center for the Defense of Free Enterprise. Portions of this article originally appeared in the Washington Examiner and are used by permission.
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Nonsense if he was such a hero he would have admitted the entire world has been under a CHEMTRAIL assault on a mass basis killing the food supply killing our immune systems and freaking the weather all over. Yes, you and your children are breathing it every single day. In every city, state and country. You will never see a deep blue sky again, unless you get off your butt and give links to everyone you see. Don’t expect anyone else to stop it. If you want to stop breathing aliuminum barium strontium fungus ‘smart dust’ viruses etc, then you’ll share them on. otherwise take a deep breath and good luck to ya
topdocumentaryfilms.com/world-spraying/
filling the sky in time lapse – archive.org/details/DontTalkAboutTheWeather_451
That’s part of climate change. Basically, anything scientific is part of climate change.
This is massive. What a farce wow, how do these people sleep at night? Anything paid for by the taxpayer should be available to the taxpayer. They committed fraud so they should be jailed. We in Australia have already been screwed over with a carbon tax & a mining tax. The guy who released those emails is a REAL hero. Not the guy on the footy field who kicked a cool goal, not the track star – but everyday people who make a real difference. WTF has happened to morals, honesty, decency, integrity today?? Not many people seem to value these things anymore… The NWO has chipped away at the cornerstones of community.. I definitely see the chasm between those who get it/care/use their brains & those who still walk around in a daze after learning all too well to ‘buy what they’re being sold’ & their next instant gratification… Interesting times.
The commies have indeed hijacked the environmental movement to their ends (skilfull yet pure evil) – as they also did with feminism & ‘new ageism’
HAARP in UK was level 8 most of last week when it was snowing. Today its about level 3 and guess what… not snowing, and you can occasionaly see the sun. That HAARP station in Wales needs to be destroyed. I saw some HAARP clouds yesterday too – like fingerprints in the sky. Global warming is complete BS, no one bought it so now they use the term ”climate change”, change as in obama change – stay the same.
Sorry, but I think this is probably disinfo from the CIA or something, because it’s complete RUBBISH. So how in the world did the ‘players’ “fake” the melting of the Arctic sea ice, hunh? And are you telling me that all of the temperature records for the last 10 years that have been broken were faked? What a load.
I don’t dispute that governments and the power elite have, and will continue to manipulate any and all facts they can to support their agenda. But anyone who denies that climate change is happening at this point is just plain stupid, ignorant, in the pocket of big oil, a disinfo agent, or all of the above.
They didn’t “Fake” the melting of arctic sea ice… just cherry picked their facts. For instance: The antarctic peninsula that they always quote as melting IS in fact melting. They simply -forget- to mention that it only makes up 3% of antarctic ice and the other 97% is actually increasing. (This is also one of the reasons they stopped calling it “global warming” and switched to “climate change”)
The temperature records for the last 10 years certainly arn’t fake either…. but they neglect to mention that we’ve had warmer periods in human history LONG before the invention of carbon based fuels and they also neglect to mention that the other planets in our solar system have also been warming over the last 10 years. Unless you think that we’re driving too many SUVs on mars… then there is something else at work here.
So it isn’t as simple as completely faking. More akin to cherry picking numbers and covering up data that worked against their argument all for the purpose of growing/maintaining the multi-billion dollar industry that is sustaining them. The new generation of bad guys arn’t becoming oil tycoons. No future there, so they’ve turned to the green industry. Why look like a bad guy in the eyes of the public by drilling for oil when their is an equally profitable industry that no one seems interested in regulating with even basic oversight. Hell, in the green industry -anyone- that goes against you can be demonized instantly. Its win/win for the greed driven douche bags.
Great Point ThenAgain. The most major part is not even mentioned which is the continuous geo-engineering of the planet.
Numpty
You got that one right and they even admit that it is getting colder,likely the reason for another Kind of Tax. Haarp is there for that purpose and people like Maveprick and Quantum Kev are paid shills by the Elite,and would sell their mother for a buck.
Both don’t see the long range picture that will affect them as well as everybody else here on earth.
Did everyone catch this bit?
“We can’t pour trillions in this massive hole-digging-and-filling-up endeavor and pretend it’s not [taking] away from something and someone else.”
by way of example i reference the “windfarm” silliness. How much have we poured into this uneconomic and unsustainable nonsense?
To those attempting to deflect this into a geo-engineering debate i have to say. Stay on topic or start a thread about the subject. Why must a climate change thread cover geo-engineering?
Middle-aged-Mayhem
You are relaying iutter nonsense, if you are able to google then look at the Windfarms on the Baltic sea in perticular of Denmark that will be free of Nukes.
You in N.Z. have Hydrothermal Sources a lot of Wind and sun.
So are you using any? Or are you just blowing hot air?
A green planet can be achieved all it takes is money,because the technology is already in place.
Absolutely, Anonymous, a green planet can be achieved, all it would take is for nearly all of us to want that. We don’t even need to be cave people to live in complete harmony with nature; everything we currently enjoy could be continued in a sustainable manner.
Yes we have Wind-farms in NZ, we are in the roaring forties after all, didn’t you know? Tell you what you don’t know, all Wind-farms enjoy a negative return on investment. They don’t hardly make enough to cover maintenance.
Also; on calm days when they are turning laconically they are actually consuming electricity, the aero foils are unable to support their own weight for too long without catastrophically deforming. Last i looked there were 20,000 acres of the things abandoned and idle just in America alone.
Hmm?
Hey Ms. Anonymous, let us know when the energy produced by the wind farms is equal to the energy expended in smelting the metal towers the turbines sit on.
Is there any evidence that there even exists an electric steel smelter that reliably and profitably operates strictly from wind power alone?
First it was The new Ice Age than it was Global warming now it is Climate Change soon it will be called If anything changes.
As long as they can get funding and the scam artistes can make money on the public they will keep playing this game.
Middle-aged-Mayhem
They have no problems as you describe them in Europe.
Depend who you buy them from. NZ does not have the technological know how and is a too small of a country.
Canada bought a Sub from England that had nothing but problems and stiill is being repaired,Surplus equipment mayb this is what you go? Or made in either India or China?
Ah what the heck ……No sense to argue with a sheila…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wind_power_in_Denmark
Middle-aged-Mayhem
Sorry for some of the spelling mistakes :
maybe this is what you got
Depending who you buy them from
too bad there is no Edit function.
You’re clutching at straws my anonymous troll. Wind farms are not ‘green’ nor sustainable. Follow the money.
By the way your link does not speak to the profitability of Wind generation. What is your point in presenting this link? Fail.
Also we make and export wind turbines http://www.windflow.co.nz/ that’s how backward we New Zealanders are. You fail again.
Wind turbines cost about the same per Kwh as a coal fired plant yet take 3 times as long to pay for themselves. Three times as long? That’s if they last that long of course. Given the negative return on investment i’d say they’d be lucky to pay for themselves ever.
The big rush of wind farms popping up around the world was all done using government subsidies, without which they would never have been built because they are a useless investment.
Middle-aged-Mayhem
As I said before the Windmills from Denmark work,your Pommy Technology may not be up to snuff.
I don’t see anyone else in Europe buying your Windmills.Told you about the British built Junk Sub.
But then again you are the troll that believes in MONEY, more than in the environment.
What is money if the environment and pollution catches up with you.
Also look at Iceland which uses the energy and steam of Geysers.
They don’t use Coal!
Sorry I must forgive you for being backwards you guys are really living in the roaring 40′s but not very smart, using prehistoric coal fired polluters and still drive on the wrong side of the Road.
Oh really? What nonsense “up to snuff” let me enlighten you, Anonymous.
http://www.windflow.co.nz/news/media-releases/2013/windflow-turbine-generates-revenue-in-scotland#
http://www.windflow.co.nz/news/media-releases/2013/first-royalty-payment-from-usa-for-licensed-nz-wind-turbine#
http://www.windflow.co.nz/news/media-releases/2013/third-windflow-turbine-destined-for-uk-201chome-coming201d#
You don’t have to visit those sites, i’ll give you the synopsis: Scotland, USA and the UK. They all seem to think we, New Zealanders, make reasonable wind turbines. Hmm?
Who are you again? Excuse me but as needs be i must lump all you Anonymous characters in one basket. Otherwise i have no idea whom i’m addressing.
Ah! so i see now, it’s all about AGW for you, lets go there… to be continued.
Whats with this false doctrine about coal? Pull the other one, Anonymous. Whats next? CO2 is bad, global warming didn’t end nearly 2 decades ago, snow, ice and drought records aren’t being set nearly everywhere.
I’m certain you mistake me for a capitalist who cares nothing about sustainability. You are wrong, Anonymous, i don’t like pollution any more than the fish do.
How’s my utter nonsense reading now?
Middle-aged-Mayhem
It still reads as utter nonsense,even more than previously.
1) Tell you what you don’t know, all Wind-farms enjoy a negative return on investment. They don’t hardly make enough to cover maintenance.
a) there you go you put profits over the Environment,how stupid is that?
2)the aero foils are unable to support their own weight for too long without catastrophically deforming
a)Since they are obviously a NZ Design they do not pass the Test depite your company claims Class 1A certification attests that the Windflow 500 will operate for more than 20 years in the strongest, most turbulent wind regime in the IEC classification.Tell you what those build in Europe are not deforming and doing well and therefore more are being build to do something about the Environment.
3)http://www.windflow.co.nz/news/media-releases/2013/windflow-turbine-generates-revenue-in-scotland#
a)First one outside the country and has not failed yet,however its interesting that the Scotts are claiming to generate Revenue from it.Can you imagine how much better they would fair buying those from Europe?The biggest one NZ makes are just 500KW versus 3 Megawatt.
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1883373,00.html
The NZ Wind turbines are minute and do not serve the country as a whole The new Class 2 500-kilowatt turbines are ideally suited to serve customers who require an alternative energy source in addition to a connection to a power grid.The U.S.A. had to redesign your mills,as they were not generating any electricity in low windspeeds (Poor Design not inherent with those 3Megawatt Windturbines from Denmark)
4)Whats with this false doctrine about coal? Pull the other one, Anonymous. Whats next? CO2 is bad, global warming didn’t end nearly 2 decades ago, snow, ice and drought records aren’t being set nearly everywhere.
a) You just answered your own Question. Yes CO2 is bad and created en masses by your prehistoric Coal power plants,that are not needed with all of your thermal possibilities and people like you that are so full of hot air, should really make those blades spin!
You pretend to be concerned about the Pollution and loss of Ice yet you support prehistoric Technology.What a sham you are,but I think you know it ,but known to every one you are a thick headed Pommy Spinster in midlife crisis. We all know that you like to argue to make you look and feel educated.
“You may fool all the people some of the time; you can even fool some of the people all the time; but you cant fool all of the people all the time. “
Calm down my Anonymous troll. You can not be seriously sticking to the AGW scam. Surely society recently agreed that ‘man made’ climate change, or as i recall, formerly known as warming to doom has been soundly debunked. I thought it a new ‘given’.
Any idea what 15 ppm really means? Huh, Anonymous. It was our estimated contribution to atmospheric CO2 levels. I’ll give you a demonstration.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRqvPaX9Q0Y
(up to the 2 minute mark that is; not sure what the remainder is on about)
I call it plant food seeing how the term greenhouse gas has everything, underline ‘everything’, to do with growing plants.
I see only you, Anonymous, i waste my time with you; there are plenty of folk on here who are able to confront my opinion. I say you are almost alone in your claims.
AGW is a myth now; climate change is forever, Ice age coming.
ps “the ice is melting” Where? also: are you allowed to speak for everyone?
ps “the ice is melting” Where? also: are you allowed to speak for everyone?
No I just speak to you,as others don’t seem to have a problem or midlife crisis.
You seem to be unique and all alone and most others do have an education.
Aand know how to read and correctly analyse the text.
http://thewatchers.adorraeli.com/2013/03/28/beginning-of-arctic-sea-ice-melting-season/
What has that to do with AGW? Of course the Arctic has a melting season. I bet they call it summer. No point for you, Anonymous, try harder.
You are laughable.
If it isn’t Middle-aged-Mayhem out to prove (or rather disprove) his own points. I haven’t read this article – but all i needed to see was your claim that the polar ice cap melting is a myth to LOL.
Hope life is treating you well, you self-proclaimed know-it-all. Btw, you haven’t gotten sick recently I hope – it’d be too bad contracting an illness we already have a vaccine for.
You must be going through a midlife Crisis alright .
Are you to fn stupid to read all of it and if you had then you must be daft.
But then again you are just a stubborn Spinster from a Country that is still in its 40′s.
This year’s maximum extent was the sixth lowest in the satellite record. The lowest maximum extent occurred in 2011. The ten lowest maximums in the satellite record have occurred in the last ten years, 2004 to 2013.
Thanks to Wiki, you might say, Anonymous.
Ain’t it a grand ride though, what do you think of this? http://www.wunderground.com/news/ice-fractures-video-beaufort-sea-2013
I do not claim there was no sea ice minimum event in Sep 2012, it coincided with a big old storm pulverising vast extents of sea ice. It’s not all about sea ice as much as it is the limitations of satellite data.
Find for yourself the articles written by the people who go poke the ice with a stick. There’s ice alright, lots of it, quite a phenomenal new layer gone down during the winter of 2013 by all accounts. We won’t know, of course, till the weather clears up a bit and we send the intrepid information gatherers back to give the ice another poke. I think they use a special ceremonial stick.
Argue this… http://www.wunderground.com/news/ice-fractures-video-beaufort-sea-2013 Hmm?
No not that, can’t argue that, silly me. I mean this… http://www.globalwarminghysteria.com/ten-myths-of-global-warming/ any thoughts?
Middle-aged-Mayhem
Just look at the Source of information the national enquirer (if you get that one in NZ) could not do a worse job.
The link I provided is at least scientific Evidence.
However there is more players to the Game meddling with Nature via HAARP, Nature itself that creates Ice ages,and Global catastrophes like Volcanic Eruptions add to the CO2 Gas.
CO2 is absorbed by Plants….correct but plants will emit CO2 at night. When you deforest large Areas you no longer have that Sponge. Its like a bucket that receives single drops and looks like it wont overflow for a long time,yet one day one extra drop will.
I know that a major volcano eruption will be equivalent to a year of Man made CO2 Production.
Your Coal fired powergenerators in NZ do not just spit out CO2 but Sulfur that combined with moisture will end up as sulfuric Acid,you know what that does to your and the Plant heath?
There has undeniably been Global warming in the north of Canada,however that trend may just start to reverse England and Germany as we speak still have snow on the Ground.
I read by unconfirmed Sources that HAARP is trying to reverse the accidental caused warming tjhat was to keep the northwest passage open and give accesss to the rich mineral and oil deposits.While doing so they released Methane Gas that is 10 times as potent compared to CO2 and is not Plant Food. I let you digest that one.
Cheers and happy easter,wish i could get my hands on some NZ Lamb(not Mutton). .
Don’t fret about the source, Anonymous, debunk the substance of the article, there are ten myths about AGW pick any of them.
You confuse me when you use the term global warming when i’m certain you mean climate change, it’s a small matter but if you could be more certain then i might need not be so defensive. Lets just leave HAARP out of this debate, huh? You’ve already plied two distractions and i’m really not interested in another circular argument. You get owned each and every time and it pales.
Global warming reached a peak nearly two decades ago and temperatures have been falling since. Temperatures over the last 2,000 yrs show a steady decline, regardless of our little warm up. Temperatures over the last 6-700,000 yrs show a clear and repetitive pattern.
As for AGW: all of the pollution, including CO2, that man has made EVER would not add up to one decent volcanic eruption.
By circular i mean: this thread is about a series of embarrassing emails exchanged between AGW Scientists, yes?
I highlighted a telling point regarding following the money. I quoted our author and was therefore on topic. I exemplified the point by drawing the parallel with windfarm hysteria.
Then you popped up, Anonymous, trolling your usual fear mongering half witted nonsense. Where did we go from there? As per usual you got right into your distracting roller coaster of subject changes.
I say wind farms are not viable, you say Denmarks are better than NZ’s. I’m right eh? You never showed that wind farms were profitable did you? No point for you.
Middle-aged-Mayhem
“To every rule there is an exception—and an idiot ready to demonstrate it. Don’t be the one!” “Never argue with an idiot; he will bring you down to his level and win from experience.”
What else can I say?