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Cities Will Collapse Even Sooner Than We Fear

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This article has been generously contributed by David Spero of Code Green Prep and was originally linked via Prepper Website.

We have written several times about how major population groupings (ie cities) will collapse ‘shortly’ after the essential elements of life cease to smoothly flow in to them as needed.  When there’s no water, no sewage, no food, no gas and no electricity, things will unavoidably get very nasty.

In an earlier post we suggested that cities will decay into violent anarchistic morasses within a week or two.  In that article we were deliberately trying to look at a ‘best case scenario’ (don’t laugh – the collapse of cities taking a week or two is, alas, a best case scenario!).  Our projection was based on the ‘best case’ hope that people would remain passive for a few days and it would only be when people realized no help was coming and they were starting to starve that things would turn truly nasty.

One of our readers, ‘Lt. Dan’, wrote in to share his perspective of what might go down, and alas, it is not nearly as sunny and optimistic as our earlier best case hope.  His point is that violence will break outimmediately.  There will not be days of ambiguity before things start to fail.

He says that in known ‘hot spots’ in larger cities, the violence will start at once, and as soon as the violent offenders realize that the police response is inadequate (or totally missing) it will skyrocket in scope and extent.

This is a key issue for us, because it impacts on our decision about when to ‘Get Out Of Dodge’ (GOOD) and hightail it to our remote retreat.  How much time do we have to decide what to do between when a massive problem occurs and when the city becomes lawless?

Lt. Dan writes :

As a retired LEO with over 30 yrs dealing with “society” I have a number of thoughts on this topic. I grew up on a working farm not close to any major metro center but in adulthood joined a sizable metro PD.  So I have perspective from various angles.

The speed and spread of lawlessness with be much faster than most will think.  Even now in “quiet” times LE staffing is usually based on the lowest number of officers to reasonably handle a “normal” day.  Any event(s) beyond “normal” immediately overwhelm on-duty forces.  Planned events like anarchists protesting the latest capitalist conference allow time to plan for enough ON-DUTY personnel (plus resources from other agencies) to be available when violence breaks out.

In most major metro areas there are areas the police routinely avoid because they’re too hazardous.  The violent elements in these areas are constantly looking to explode their violence at a moment’s notice when the opportunity happens.  And when it happens it will spread like a ruptured gasoline storage tank afire.  LE forces will be quickly overwhelmed and retreat to a safe place/bunker for self-preservation.

Most LEO’s have families and a desire for self-preservation.  If the collapse involves monetary problems (like no paychecks) the officers will not be reporting to duty, they’ll be protecting their own.  When this happens the initial violent outbreaks will mushroom like a nuclear reaction.  If the officers are being paid yet, they’ll set up a “containment perimeter” IF they have enough manpower…. which is highly unlikely in a regional or national SHTF scenario.

On other really scary thought I never see mentioned is…. what happens to the tens of thousands of violent criminals in prisons??

In a farming community where religion/moral values are generally much higher than urban dwellers, the problems of violence will be much reduced.  Plus everyone usually knows each other so its harder to want to take advantage of them.  One tip for urbanites… are not working their butts off to feed the city slickers (who’ve been ridiculing them for years as hicks, etc) and they certainly will not welcome the urbanites showing up during a crisis.

We asked Dan about his comments and background, and he told us a bit more about how he has formed the views he has – and, let’s face it, thirty years in a major metro police department and retiring as a lieutenant gives him a lot of credibility, particularly on police related operational issues and on matters to do with how people will (mis)behave when given half a chance to do so.

Now that he can ‘tell it like it is’ we asked him in particular about something that opinions widely vary on – will the police bravely ‘man the battlements’ and fight to the last man in a failing and doomed effort to save civilization, or will they adopt – as he suggests above – a ‘my family first, everyone else second’ approach when they see the inevitability of a city’s collapse.

Dan replied :

When I first started on the PD in the 70′s I was stuck in the Comm room and on boring nights I’d actually read the Civil Defense binders (HUGE things) full of detail, much theoretical.  For example, upon receiving alert of a nuke attack we were supposed to call a long list of elected officials and city unit directors etc.  We all knew it’d be a total waste of time to call these clueless government people because all they’d do is panic and babble on the phone asking US what to do!

We (cops) talked openly in the Comm Room about what we’d do and we decided we’d immediately leave our posts and spend our remaining time with family.  The point being alerting totally clueless and incompetent “leaders” would do nothing except add to the panic and confusion over which we (cops) would have ZERO control over.

It is important to understand how much we can learn from past ‘lessons’ with breakdowns in cities (in the case of the US, the L.A. riots being a prime example) and how much we have to adjust for a future breakdown of society.

We suggest that the big difference is that in past events, the problem has been successfully contained to a restricted region, and the police have had, in effect, virtually unlimited reinforcements and resupply, and there has never been any question of what the ultimate outcome would be – of course law and order would triumph.

But in a future society-destroying event, none of this applies.  The police will have no resupply or reinforcement, and problems will break out in multiple locations.

We agree with Lt. Dan that very quickly, the police will see the unwinnable nature of the contest and will switch from attempting to defend a disintegrating society from itself, and will focus instead on attempting to ensure the safe survival of themselves and their immediate family and friends.


Lt. Dan puts it very vividly when he writes

[Violence] will spread like a ruptured gasoline storage tank afire

This means that if you have a GOOD plan and a retreat to go to, you need to be ready to activate this sooner than you might have otherwise hoped for.  As soon as you hear the first word of lawlessness, rioting, looting, and general disorder breaking out, you should accept that this will spread like wildfire across the entire city, and leave as quickly as you can.

Oh – one more unsettling thought.  How will you learn that violence has broken out in another part of the city if the internet is down, and radio and television stations are also down?  Even if some broadcasters remain in service, they’ll probably have limited sources of information and it might take a while for them to become appraised of events and to then broadcast them.

It is also reasonable to guess that broadcasters will be asked ‘not to spread panic’ and so initial reports of violence breaking out might be downplayed or omitted entirely.

Choosing when to bug-out is a difficult but essential issue.  You need to be willing to leave before it becomes too late, and with inertia and resistance to change and desperate hope all encouraging you to delay your decision, you need to fight these tendencies.  Better to leave ‘too soon’ and return back again some time later, safely; than to leave it too late and suffer the consequences.

We talk about the issues to do with making your bug-out decision here.

David Spero has been prepping since before it was ever an issue. He remembers how his father would store vast quantities of food and supplies at home, and both of them thought it to be normal prudent actions – as, of course, they are. He has a masters degree in business, has worked internationally, speaks several languages, is a nationally accredited firearms instructor, a licensed ham radio operator, and through this website is becoming increasingly a respected authority on matters to do with prepping.  

You can visit David’s web site at Code Green Prep and learn more about the Code Green Community, a self-contained, self-supporting and self-sustaining retreat community in the western United States.

This article has been contributed by SHTF Plan. Visit for alternative news, commentary and preparedness info.


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    • Usefuleater

      I’ve read elsewhere on this site numerous times that the nation’s local law enforcement has basically been militarized and along with the millions if not billions of unnecessary ammunition, growing to the point where it is capable of moving people into FEMA camps, etc. You make it sound like the first riot will mean the complete breakdown of society. It may happen over a very extended period of time, you have no way of knowing or asserting with certainty that violence will spread like a ruptured gasoline storage tank afire. This does serve your vision of a prepper’s paradise. I like to believe that communities may still have the capability of joining together to work with local law enforcement until order can be restored. If you choose to run at the first sign of violence and tyranny, what are you still doing here in the wake of the Boston Marathon or Hurricane Katrina?

    • FreedomBuck05

      Forest Gump agrees with Lt. Dan

    • westside prepper

      i see from the comments below how people think others will come together and stop the looting and riots when the system starts to break down.
      well you people need to go out and talk with the common people under the age of 40 and tell me you think the majority of these people will come hold hands and sing koom-ba-ya with you and solve problems and work and bring back law and order..(not all but most is what im talking about)im sorry but you are the fool,they are going to take your stuff your daughter or whatever they want and slap you keep dreaming the time spam that we live in,the majority are eithier theives non working pervert drug abusing or just waiting till the time they can take these citys over and turn them into what they want them to be…call me an idiot but all you have to do is go into the inner city on a party night in a low income area since most areas are turning that way and LOOK AROUND

      • whiteness

        exactly why i have 4000 rounds of ammo for 5 different guns and counting…

    • StormyB4

      This assessment assumes that law abiding people won’t handle the problem. It won’t happen everywhere, but it will be a major factor in the vast majority of the country…:

    • anonymous

      I agree with the point of the coverup, for days more peaceful areas will not know what is going on. The loss of communication will be key. Reports will be quite effectively blocked. At least for a day or two. Look for long lasting smoke in these areas 6+ hours. Maybe a coinciding internet failure. Wise cops should quit. Probably troops will be used to enforce cop compliance with city officials. Wiser cops will quit now. Troops will seal off areas of escape. Being a cop will go from being the best job in the cities to the worst in a matter of hours, and in days the pension problems plaguing the cities will be solved with very few left to claim the pensions of the trapped doomed cops. A simple but effective monetary final solution.

    • justiceday

      As the cities fall and Marshall Law kicks in we are all in trouble!

    • Ideas Time

      When the EBT cards get cut off, all hell will break loose. 9 meals from total breakdown.

    • liberal army veteran

      I guarantee nothing like this will happen anytime soon. I mean within the next 10-15 years none of what’s said is going to happen. I live in a big city, Los Angeles and see nothing going on here to lead me to believe there will be any riots lol. In fact if anything it’s become calmer here from the days of the 90′s and before. We can revisit this in a year and see that not much had changed and the government still will not have taken my guns and ammo. Some people like to spread false stories to get others riled up for their demented cause.
      Obama is trying to pass legislation that requires more background checks before buying a gun, that may not even pass. The ban on assault weapons will never pass either, he can fight it all the way to 2016 . After that he’s out and more than likely a conservative will be elected.

    • Gorganzola

      The highway is alive tonight —
      But where it’s headed, everybody knows.
      I’m sittin’ down here in the campfire light
      Waitin’ on the ghost of Tom Joad. :roll:

    • WhyHurtPeople


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