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Why I Do Not Believe American Soldiers Will Fire On American Citizens

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Daisy Luther

Last week, Dave Hodges wrote an article called The Psychological Reasons Why American Soldiers Would Fire On American Citizens.  Mr. Hodges used experiments by behavioral scientists to support his hypothesis. His evidence was the Asch experiment, the Milgram experiment, and the Stanford prison experiment. All of the experiments proved one thing: under certain circumstances, people would perform acts of cruelty that were aberrant to their normal behavior.

Let me preface my argument by saying that Dave Hodges puts out some great information – none of this is a personal attack on him or his work.  This is a rebuttal to a specific article he has written.

Are American soldiers the bad guys, the new tools of tyranny, ready to coldly spray a protesting crowd with bullets?

I don’t believe that they are the enemy. I don’t believe they are deserving of this disrespect.

I am the daughter of a veteran, a patriot who was honored with a military 21 gun salute at his funeral. I’m also the grandaughter of 2 veterans, the niece of 6 veterans, and the cousin of still more veterans. For 3 generations, members of my family have served. They’ve fought in both World Wars, Vietnam, Korea, the Gulf, and Afghanistan.

When someone makes the choice to join the military, they may not really know what they’re getting into. But when they make the decision to stay in the military once their initial time is up, they are well aware of what that decision means.

It means:

The possibility of leaving family and loved ones

The possibility of being stationed in some of the worst hellholes on the planet

The possibility of seeing horrible things that you can’t unsee

The possibility of coming home disabled

The possibility of never seeing home again, and returning in a pine box

People who choose a career in the military face risks the rest of us never even considered. And they do it so we don’t have to. They do it because they feel that we have a country worth fighting for, and because someone has to do it. They do it because they believe in America. No one could possibly consider this an easy lifestyle.

Having grown up in a family with such a strong sense of duty, when I read Mr. Hodge’s article, I felt sick at the thought that others look at my loved ones, with their patriotism, courage, and good intentions, and believe that these men are threats instead of guardians.

I feel it’s imperative that people differentiate between the members of the military and the military industrial complex.

In his farewell speech, President Dwight D. Eisenhower warned us about the risk once money began to be made from the military.  He said:

This hunger for money and power that Eisenhower warned about is the real threat to our well-being. I can very easily see how the military industrial complex (MIC) would be interested in crushing and subduing the public. In fact, they are so powerful that they are the kingmakers. Through their support, our members of Congress and everyone right up to the President find themselves hoisted upon golden shoulders into office. The price for these appointments (we can hardly even call them elections anymore) is to keep lining the coffers of the complex.

Now, compare this with the life of a person who dedicates himself to defending the country. People don’t get rich serving in Afghanistan. They might be sweating out 10 pounds of fluid a day in the desert over there, but it’s certainly not a luxurious spa. It’s a life of sacrifice and duty, and they see nothing of the billions that the folks in the MIC.

You can be vehemently anti-war and anti-interventionism (as I am) and still respect our soldiers and veterans. The two are not mutually exclusive. In any group, you have honorable people and dishonorable ones, but the military people I know are patriots, devoting their lives to the protection of our country. When they are used to do the bidding of the MIC, you can be assured that isn’t the reason they signed up.

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Now that we’ve defined our cast of characters, let’s go back to Mr. Hodges’ article.

In the scenario he describes, Mr. Hodges believes that one day, chaos will erupt on the streets of America and our military will be called upon to restore order. No one can deny that there is always the possibility of civil unrest – we saw how thin the veneer of civilization was recently in Ferguson Missouri.  He believes, though, that the military will be called upon to open fire on citizens randomly protesting in the streets. He wrote:

The situation at Kent State was tragic, but what Mr. Hodges doesn’t point out is that the National Guardsmen who fired into the crowd were actually NOT following orders.

First, we must also keep in mind that there’s an enormous difference between a protest and a riot. These are two different scenarios, which would result in two different responses. For our purposes, we’re going to go with Mr. Hodges’ example that this is a protest. You know, signs, chanting, maybe some yelling.

It’s highly unlikely that in the type of situation Mr. Hodges describes, a commanding officer is going to give an order to mow down a bunch of civilians, regardless of how angry they are.

But even if such an order was given, Mr. Hodges discounts the repeated training that all soldiers receive that instills in them that it is their sworn duty to DISOBEY unlawful orders. He disregards the ethics that are reinforced throughout their training. Any person in the military will agree that they are reminded repeatedly throughout their careers of this duty.

But the training goes even further than that. Insubordination is that fine gray area between using your own judgement and following lawful orders.

Just to confirm that the rules mentioned above were legitimately impressed upon soldiers, I contacted  a Chief Warrant Officer in the Army and combat veteran, Graywolf from Graywolf Survival, to ask about the training they receive on this topic.

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Now, on to the experiments. Those horrifying (and many say unethical) experiments saw average everyday people doing horrible things to their fellow man. The subjects blithely followed orders and suddenly became as sadistic as the guards at the most evil of concentration camps.

Or did they?

Some studies say that the results of the experiments were skewed. For example,  the Milgram experiment  had a subject obediently kept increasing what they believed to be the voltage of electric shock to a person screaming in pain. An astonishing 65% of the subjects continued to up the voltage, just because they were told to. However, half of the subjects refused to even participate once they found out the parameters of the experiment. So in reality, the 65% number that the experiment touts is very inaccurate.

Philip Zimbardo’s Stanford Prison experiment had students role-playing parts of both prisoners and guards. The question was, how did those two roles affect a person? According to documents and videos, the guards became increasingly brutal and dehumanized the prisoners. While it’s irrefutable that bad things happened during that experiment, later evaluation of the studies by Professors Alex Haslam and Stephen Reicher suggest that this was not, as Zimbardo concluded, blind compliance.

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Mr. Hodges concludes:

What do I believe?

I’m glad you asked.

I believe that the question is too broad and open to interpretation and the whims of myriad situations. If you narrow it to Mr. Hodges’ original scenario, then NO – I don’t believe that soldiers will open fire on protesting citizens, as he implies.

I believe that this random assortment of studies says that people – any people – can be capable of bad acts. That goes for you, me, the couple next door, and the preacher that lives on the other side of them. This is not “evidence” of anything more specific to the military than it is to anyone else. Members of the military are no more likely to participate in something horrible than any of us.  In fact, due to their training and mentality, they are probably less likely.

I believe that if we measure patriotism by our actions and not by our words, the men and women who serve in the military have proven that they are red, white, and blue to the core. They have walked the walk – and done so all over the globe, in whatever conditions they are required to.

I believe this essay is insulting conjecture. It demonizes the wrong people and creates a culture of mistrust. It reminds me of the veterans who returned from Vietnam, and instead of a welcome, were greeted with disrespect and derision.  It belittles the sacrifices made by combat veterans, POWs, those who died serving, and those who missed Christmas with their children.

To all of the veterans I know, and also the ones I haven’t met, thank you for your service.

 
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    • David

      I believe that troops will indeed fire on Americans. They are brain-washed to follow orders and will do so. If you examine our police, killing citizens and animals, you will see just how bad the “authorities” can be warped.

      Remember, it was ordinary German citizens in the 30′s were shoveling jews into ovens in the 40′s. Don’t think for a moment it can’t happen here to other groups of citizens…..

    • i_think_i_smell_a_rat

      this article neglects certain facts…author never served a day in life of being part of a military branch
      clearly this shows…having family members who have or currently are doesn’t qualify anyone to write misleading information as presented

      i served

      in the military…all food and water is supplied/controlled along with “mandatory” inoculations…if the military wants their service members drugged…guess what…they’re drugged…drugged to a state of being zombies if the operation requires such

      major military operations include…pre-mission briefing…play a subliminal video enhanced by validation/confirmation lecture….mental implanting/mind control as referred by so many is very real and results can be alarming
      most military units are clueless to actual civilian life in the current sense…most are very removed as the military is a life of it’s own

      an example…those in uniform grab their tainted eggs and bacon with cups of agent orange juice from the mess hall only to sit in a subliminal mind control pre-mission meeting declaring all civilians now have ebola and must be killed and burned…juggle the troops by location can add to effect of being foreign in foreign land while under altered state

      and this author thinks normal human behavior or conscience will surface and will prevail
      think again

      current military regiments are global not national…the military is inundated with foreign nationals for one world government operation…
      they no longer need to wear blue hats to be nato…unless one thinks such wasn’t thought of…many operations are conducted under false uniform or identifying mark

      keep your heads up people
      question the authors who produce articles like this

      • Kate Friday

        Well, ya got my vote lasvegasteddy! Thank you for an honest and forthcoming proffession of what is really going on in the service. I really like your style, and thank you Sir!

        • i_think_i_smell_a_rat

          there was an article that a german commander was placed as commander over american troops in germany

          talk about culture shock
          join the us army to serve under a german commander

          it paints part of a picture of globalization of forces

          truly we are in one world government adjusting of military understanding…
          this youtube video clearly shows the us military is only a face term…https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oySjzl4wBKY

    • Dustdevil

      Article written by total government-disinformation-shill.

      The Marines went into Watts in California in 1992 (I know, I was there). We went with live ammo and both light and medium weapons systems. The governor asked the Marine Commandant (General A.M. Gray), and he sent us. He also countered the liberals there with a simple statement (when they asked him what he was thinking, sending armed Marines into LA), he said “Marines have answered the call of this nation for over 200 years. If you are in need, call us and we are there. That is our creedo. But, to think that I will send my Marines into harms way without their weapons is beyond ludicrous, it is insane. You must decide, is your problem severe enough that you need U.S. Marines to help you in your current situation, or not.” After 9-days, and rioters destroying Watts while laughing at the California National Guard for their perpetual carrying of blank ammo, we arrived. Total peace was restored in 4-days.
      We would have killed every rioter we saw, if given the order. And would have slept well that night – KNOWING we had done what was ordered, to quell uprising and return social order.

      Now, knowing that – do you really think American troops would not fire on civilians (unarmed is a civilian mindset, in the military we are quite familiar with IED’s, alternative and primitive weapons, so when in doubt, we refer back to lawful orders – such as the words ‘OPEN FIRE’).

      If you think you won’t be fired on, then you are far more self-deluding than you present yourself to be.

      • Jay

        How do you know your fellow Marines won’t be shooting you in the back. The Marines are a multi ethnic, multi cultural, multi racial group and now sexual diverse organization that does not have the cohesive qualities that it had in the past. Do you think a devout Moslem will fire on his kin or a devout Christian will fire on their own or any other group or clan would put your well being ahead of their own. You are living and thinking in the distant past your traditions are long dead as is your thinking get your mind right
        ex Marine.

    • Johnny Runningwater/aka indiangunslinger

      IT DOES NOT MATTER IF AMERICAN TROOPS WILL FIRE ON AMERICANS,

      Because and I remind you and all that read these words that,Do you not remember that before
      Janet Napolitono left office she invited a platoon of Russian special forces here to the USA to train to help quell American riots, THEY ARE STILL HERE- Then there is the other Spaznugts Russian troops she invited to train with our special forces up in Colorado, THEY ARE STILL HERE.Let us not for get the thousands of Chinese troops Bi-whacked down in Mexico just over the boarder from Laredo Texas.

      You people better wake and take a look around and be more suspicious of people around you.

      In ref; to the Jihad terrorists- The boarder Patrol caught the MS-13 gang member smuggling at lkeast a 1000 of them in over the mex. boarder several years ago so THEY ARE ALREADY HERE.
      Lock & Load and keep your powder dry.

    • Truthseeker

      Why do you think our “government” is bringing illegal aliens in to our military? Non citizens will fire upon Americans.

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