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Jonathan Cahn Releases Urgent Video Message: A Great Shaking Is Coming To America and the World

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By Joe Cruz

Jonathan Cahn has released a video warning that we are on the cusp of  experiencing divine judgement. He warns that a “great shaking is coming to America and the World”.  He believes that September could bring about an “Economic Collapse, Financial Collapse, and a shaken even greater then those realms”! The Shemtiah is part of prophetic Harbinger that can bring blessing to a nation following God, but can be a curse if  it spiritually fails to follow him. America is fitting the bill of a nation lacking in faith to the creator of the universe. It continues to turn it’s back on God. America has disregarded the eternal rules and rights heaven itself has ordained. The rejection of America’s  Judeo-Christian foundations can be seen in it’s main stream culture. A moral decay and a desecration of our nation  has taken place. The only hope we have is a revival of a spiritual awakening! Our only Hope is in God alone. We need to be right in life  and our faith in God before the Perfect Storm arrives in September. Darkness is about to fall on the land  and God’s favor is about to be removed from this nation. Will you be  spiritually  prepared for the coming shaken?

Please read The Shemitah Effect and the prophetic Economic Collapse that Jonathan Cahn said would happen.

Hope of the World: Video Description Jonathan Cahn gives an important word for believers regarding where we are and things to come – to answer the deluge of questions which have been pouring in from around the world.



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    • NWO for Dummies.

      There will be no major disturbance in September. Everyone can relax.

      • HereAmI

        “Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts and saying,
        Where is the promise of his coming? For since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation”.

        “A dreadful sound is in his ears; in prosperity the destroyer shall come upon him”.

        “For when they shall say, peace, and safety, then sudden destruction cometh upoon them, as travail upon a woman with child, and they shall not escape”.

        • HereAmI

          Cahn gets so much right, exactly right, and yet he gives us his prophetic word in front of the Star of Remphan.
          He tells us with a straight face that part of God’s anger against the US is because it has neglected to give “Israel” its customary pound of flesh, so it can continue to murder men, women, and children, and steal and lie and blaspheme.
          He does a John Hagee quote to drive this false message home.
          There are those who will be saved, but by fire.

          • Chet

            Cahn would be taken more seriously if he just stopped preaching with a “balaclava” over his face.

            I often wonder what he looks like without it on. Maybe he’s Canadian?

            Not as much as I wonder what Lord Steven Christ (his words) looks like without his hillbilly ball cap on. I’d guess like a eagles nest with a large white egg in it.

            • FightForFreedom

              Like Clint Eastwood Without His Iconic Beard?,Not

          • Anonymous

            Your comment is not unlike those in the day of Noah.

          • they.pierced.My.hands.and.My.feet.

            Yeah, the Americans for decades have sent out, what 80% of evangelical outreach to the rest of the world, regardless of all of the
            those who follow the evil spirits. And “God” is going to reward that,
            not with pressed down and shaken together and running over__but, going to destroy all of those good works along with those who lay down before the evil spirits to do their will.

            Cahn would be taken more seriously if he has no confidence in his
            natural genetics, for his flesh perspective profits nothing.

            • King of Shambhala

              50000 Attend Trump Alabama Rally (Video) Birther Gathers Massive Crowd-Sweeps To White House. Beating Criminal Obama /alternative/2015/08/50000-attend-trump-rally-in-alabama-video-birther-gathers-massive-crowd-sweeps-to-white-house-beats-criminal-obama-3202434.html

            • CrowPie

              Hate to burst your bubble, Gerry, but that stadium was not even 1/8 filled with Trump supporters tonight in Alabama. Trump said there were 45,000 RSVPs…..but no….

              Not even 1/8 full. Trump exaggerates his numbers….a lot.

              During the speech he said, “CNN did a wonderful, very expensive poll. I say it’s wonderful because I am leading in it. If I wasn’t leading I would say it was a terrible poll.” ……another near untruth?

              He blamed democrats for the fact that there is no fence on the Mexican border, when in reality the Texas Senator Kay Bailey Hutchison spear headed the down vote on the Defend the Fence Act that took place in the summer of 2013. …….another lie or ignorance?

            • King of Shambhala

              Trump’s taken a big lead on the rest of the pack.
              Now how does he stop this?
              Either he wins or he leaves the race but he drags Obama down with him: the birth certificate.

        • Anonymous

          ALONG WITH JOHN: 4:35 , Isaiah 49:18, Matthew 9: 37-38, Luke 10: 2.Luke 12: 35, Leviticus 24: 3. :smile:

          • Anonymous

            reply was for post above ..hereiam, damn I’m slow!

        • NWO for Dummies.

          See you in October. You can quote something else out of context then too.

          • Anonymous

            be ready today! is the message, if today you hear his voice harden not your heart.
            I did not set a date, only be ready.

      • NM156

        Oh no yogensha its the end…..oh no its the end ….oh no its the end aaaaahhhahhaahhahahahhaaa :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

      • Oracle of Ardra

        Hey HereAmi

        You ought to read this link — it spells out the September Super Shemitah quite irrefutably.

        http://themillenniumreport.com/2015/08/septembers-super-shemitah-the-crash-of-the-millennium/

        Mathematical Certainty:
        Market Collapse Will Occur During
        The Super Shemitah

        The data is there to support it … quite unfortunately!

        • Mayhem

          It’s irrefutably preposterous to rely on the Talmudic Jews for much of anything, Oracle of Ardra, let alone their knowing God’s calendar.

          Because the Bible doesn’t contain enough information to set up an indisputable calendar and therefore your linked information, being fundamentally faulty, must be rejected out of hand.

          Unless, of course, you know of a passage in Scripture that propounds a Lunar based system that revolves around the new moon.

        • they.pierced.My.hands.and.My.feet.

          There are ‘golden mean’ dvd programs set to the stock market for those who want to profit that way. Ah, a natural way even, to determine the elemental way of this world system_ :lol:

      • BStallard

        couldnt agree more,
        an when it does all the nut cases who said something would happend!
        will turn there noses an pretend they never said such things!

    • Anonymous

      One can only hope that, come October, this endless, repetitive book tour of Cahn’s will end, as well as all the hargbingering, Shemitah, jubileelicious and blood mooning-it, repetitive, ad nauseam videos that ceased to be “stunning,” “jaw dropping” or “trouser urinating” months ago. At this point, I’d setting for a “shocking” new video from Cahn, where he does an open plea for advice on where he can buy a white shirt and some Bic razors, from all that booty he’s heaped up, merchandising God.

    • Pink Slime

      He really needs a shave. How’s that for earth shaking?

      • Anonymous

        My kingdom for a can of Barbasol!

      • they.pierced.My.hands.and.My.feet.

        What PS, is the stock in razor blades doing well ?

    • Gryphon

      The ‘contributors’ to this website unfailingly, without exception, one after the other, cannot write simple English.
      It’s actually so unlikely, is it possible that one (illiterate) person is actually generating all the articles?
      :wink: Yes…

      • Doccus

        It’s a stupid and illiterate “bot”.

    • AmericansRon2U

      Rabbi Cahn is warning America and those who mock him and other messengers will live to regret it. There are several people who have had visitations and visions from Jesus within the last several years…research this yourselves. ALL of these people have been told the same thing…judgment is being passed on the USA. Jesus told all of these different people that it would begin this Sept. through the end of 2015. It will begin with the economy/currency collapsing but that will just be the beginning.

      Too many Americans today think they can just justify sin and everything will be fine…history tells a different story (ancient Israel, Sodom & Gemmorah, Roman Empire, Babylon, etc.) Only a fool disregards history.

      • Anonymous

        It’s much too much to deal with in a scholarly exegetical fashion and wouldn’t be appreciated here, but let’s put something this way. Any inspired prophet of God should be in the Bible, as he would be speaking God’s word. The Bible warns about adding to God’s word, or taking away from God’s word, in Revelation: don’t do it, period. It’s crystal clear. Also, somebody show one proof any of these so-called prophets, with their best seller books, are prophets. You can’t name one single name of anybody a proven prophet of God, outside of the Bible, for the past couple thousand years. Not one, whose word has never failed.

        Yet, somehow, people are supposed to sign up for any and all phony baloney that comes down the pike, including any Joe Blow who saw a vision of Jesus in their corn flakes bowl? I have one thing to say to all you date setters and special revelations people, in light of the fact every so-called prophecy that has expired is a failure in history, 100% of them failed; the one thing I have to say, if this doesn’t say something to you very loudly: DUH! Buy that book or DVD, then, enjoy your fables and strong delusions, and being exploited by money grubbers the Bible even warned against.

        Your Steve Quayles, Tom Horn’s, Bill Salus with his Psalm 83 war that doesn’t even exist in Psalm 83, your clueless TV talking heads about Gog and Magog, your click and YouTube whores and other riffraff, and, as to Johnathan Cahn, his exegesis very bad, to place America under the law given only to Israel or claim God is dealing with America on a Jewish basis, as Gentiles in the age of grace: I know the Bible and have real problems with this. But I also very much tire of all you gullible tools who turn everything anybody says on the likes of the Jim Bakker show as if the word of God, and how foolish you are to not have learned anything from the endless stream of charlatans whose dates came and went. In addition, you, in the meantime, are actually sharing in the evils of a lot of false prophets, promoting lies the Lord condemns, check it out:

        2 John 1

        10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
        11 For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.

        Something to think about, when you go around telling everybody what they’ll live to regret who just may know the Lord and scripture much better than you, and rightly question the credentials of any of your so-called best seller list prophets or the burning bush that came to you in a dream.

        So, before you threaten people who know Christ and the Bible over questioning the likes of Johnathan Cahn, hyping his books, first show us one whit of evidence Johnathan Cahn is a true prophet. For myself, I’d like some Biblical evidence God is in the book selling business with His prophets. I suppose this is a new type of prophet, get real scared, buy my book and also Jim Bakker’s survival supplies? I think you’re a bunch of idiots, frankly, to stand on such foundations, instead of learning what the Bible actually teaches.

        • Scanner Darko

          Excellent post, paralambano!

          • Anonymous

            Thank you! Just something that needs to be said. What’s going on in the so-called Christian media is appalling. For years, there have been charlatans and frauds selling their books and videos, but, if you have a sound Bible education, pursued over a lifetime, you will easily see that next to nothing you see put forth in the media has any sound foundation in scripture, any relationship to what prophecy actually states, anymore.

            They’re just making stuff up! It’s so bad, one can point out the contradictory scripture these days that blows a lot of these man made inventions out of the water, some of these authors not even having a plausible theory that doesn’t clash with scripture truths they’ve overlooked. Really, precious little sound exegesis, at all, rather a swamp of fables, a little scripture, with a lot of imaginary ideas not based in scripture evidence or truth. You can actually believe next to nothing in the lying, tabloid popular culture now: if you’re not a real Berean in your Bible studies, your goose is cooked, learning truth. 99% of the eschatological ideas you see people posting are from somebody’s book or DVD, not the Bible, people parroting bad theories, as if, “Polly want a cracker?” Again, good example, there is no Psalm 83 war in the Bible, no “thus saith the Lord” in Psalm 83 about any war, but the whole planet is giving its opinion when the “Psalm 83 war” will occur, the war that’s an invention of Bill Salus. Now, we’re Shemi-screwed or something, according to Johnathan Cahn, though the Lord gave none of that law to any nation but Israel, never instructed Israel to export any of it to the Gentiles, and I suppose the Lord only breaking this to us now, via the New York times bestseller list?

            Some good advice, stick to the old time scholars, of sterling reputation, and study tools. The best credential in Bible teachers, these days, is being dead, that is being with the Lord already, and we studying what they left behind. These popular Bozos on TV and the web don’t have a clue!

            • NWO for Dummies.

              Please!
              You’ll give Lisa and Lynn a heart attack :!:

              Oh,,,oh… actually, keep talking.

          • am123

            Ditto paralambano.

            Thanks for making a stand for the truth of the Word.

        • Lord Humongous!

          So, before you threaten people who know Christ and the Bible………..That’s the funniest thing I have ever read on this site. Especially since you know neither. Lol

          • Scanner Darko

            “Especially since you know neither. Lol”

            That’s an empty insult followed by self-appreciation for an immature sense of humor.

            Too many lazy airheads at this website to count, Lord Humongous, and you think this post is something to boast over? You’re too funny…

        • Miggy

          Well, I can’t judge anybody so selling books, believing what they believe or whatever is up to God to judge.

          But The Bible clearly states date setting is folly, we should only know the times. I respect Jonathan Cahn though and only God knows his heart.

          John 3:16

          • Scanner Darko

            Regardless of your flawed opinion on judging, we are given the authority to test the spirits, Miggy.

            How do you think the charges leveled out by paralambano should be weighed against the spirit of Mr. Cahn?

            Should we turn a blind eye to the false christs because you don’t believe we have any right to judge their intentions?

            • Wretched Infidel

              Right, and more, not given the authority only, but commanded to do it!

              Thanks for pointing that out Scanner D.

              this Christian sh!t about ‘thou shalt not judge’ is so misrepresented… we are always to weight, analyse, prove all points of a matter to be true or not, everything by 2 or 3 witnesses… (like in the context of other verses in the bible, prophets, known words spoken by the Messiah, who spoke his Father’s words, not his own… (therein lies the problem for
              christians because they are taught another antagonistic religion instead of the truth revealed and instructed to us in the words of the prophets, Moses, disciples and the Messiah Yahushua; a religion not ‘new’, but actually older than the birth of the Hebrew Messiah on earth by thousands of years… Satanism.

              The Old Religion. It has been proved beyond all shadow of doubt, is historically corroborated by the Scriptures and history both, and is borne out to be true by the very doctrines held fast by the Christian Church today to be the same old mystery babylon religion forbidden to all of us to have anything whatsoever to do with in our lives, let alone in our worship. ‘Touch not an unclean thing… abominations… the worship of Satan in the guise of the Solar Deity and his son, and the female ‘Goddess’ figure is the Triune Godhead of Satanism and Christianity both. By ‘Christianity’ I do not mean the Biblical/Scripturally-enjoined teachings of truth, I only mean the religion which is called ‘Christianity’ and is promulgated by all Christian Churches that I know of.

              Maybe we all need to define our terms – such as ‘Christ’, ‘Christian’ and Creator.

              Who exactly are you all referring to, and how do you worship the different ones?

              What are their names, and how have they said to be worshipped, and whose word have you taken as your authority? We do not all accept Christ Jesus, or Christ per se, as taught in the Church, nor do all believers in the Bible (such as I am and many others) accept the Solar God (Triune Godhead of Satanism’s monotheism) as our Father/Creator. However any Christian here can be proven to be doing just that: worshipping a Solar Deity who has a son (messiah-figure, or ‘Christ’ or saviour-figure) who is born at the Winter Solstice or soon thereafter, conceived 9+ months before at Ishtar, (Easter), the rites of the Goddess, (which all here know is true, yet chose so far to ignore and pretend it isn’t so), who is the ‘incarnate God’ come in another form.

              If you do that, the ancient priests of Babylon, Egypt, and Canaanites would bless you and say you are saved by their God, whom they knew to be only one, and not really three people being chosen from this emotionally-manipulative, de ceptive religion invented by the Adversary.

              Your practices and rites, ritual invocations prove it all to be true. Christians whether they like to face the facts or not, are all guilty of this blasphemy, but really it is not their own faults, the fault is (and this is taken right from their bibles) a sin of their leaders/priests, and their blood (yes, we are talking about christians being killed from belief in this shameful despicable Satan worship, it’s talking in the bibles you hold about your own deaths due to what you believe and do, so Christians need to sit up and take notice) will be required of their preachers and ministers, not their own. simply because they are too ignorant and trusting and busy to study as the Bible commanded them to do, and left it to their chosen authority to tell them ‘the truth’. LOL

              what can you say to people who will not listen to facts. Not much. Waste of breath and time.

        • am123

          “I suppose this is a new type of prophet, get real scared, buy my book and also Jim Bakker’s survival supplies?”

          Yes, a new type of prophet, but at the same time, it is also an old, very old, type of “prophet”—a looking-for-profit prophet, which of course is a non-prophet profit, which of course makes him and those like him members of a non-prophet organization. :wink: :lol:

        • thereligiousvortex

          Excellent

        • AmericansRon2U

          The people I referred to in my comment are not charlatans trying to sell books. They’re just regular people like you and me. I happen to know the Bible, too…so do a lot of Christians and I think it’s wrong for you to behave so self-righteous. Who are we to say who God chooses to deliver his message? If God delivered warnings during Biblical times, what makes you think He stopped doing it now?

          I’m simply stating that messages are being given to many people. To disregard these warnings is exactly what people did “in the days of Noah”.

          So, do what you will with the warnings. As for me, I have enough discernment to know in my spirit if someone is a charlatan or not, as many Christians have.

          Here are some of the warnings/messages which all of these Christians received (most of whom are pastors, not Hollywood authors of books): Obama is the last U.S. president; there will NOT be a 2016 election due to martial law being imposed. Martial law will be the response once the currency collapses. Geez, even I surmised this kind of stuff would happen long before I heard it from anyone else.

          So, take it or leave it…time will tell who is accurate. FYI: These message were not about the end times…they were strictly warnings about what is about to happen to the USA. Anyone who thinks a nation can constantly flip the bird to God (via abortion, homosexuality, gay marriage, targeting Christians, banning God from govt., etc.) and not reap the consequences obviously does NOT know the Bible.

        • Pink Slime

          Ahh Palumbo!

          …instead of learning what the Bible actually teaches.”

          And pray tell me what does the Bible teach? It’s your turn! :lol:

        • cribbswh

          Paralambano,
          You claim to be a Christian and that you use “scholarly exegetical fashion” and then you say that the only thing that God has to say is in the Bible….Yet the very Bible that you and I promote, says that in the last days that God will pour out His Spirit on all flesh and then He will communicate to the world through dreams, visions, and prophecies. You may say, “Well that was fulfilled in Acts 2.” Yes. But last days are LAST DAYS. Or will there be more days AFTER the last days? Then that means those weren’t the LAST then.

          My point is. We are IN the last days. The Bible says that God will speak by His Spirit through men, women, boys, and girls through dreams, visions and prophecies. None of the TRUE dreams, visions, and prophecies will contradict the Scriptures, but compliment them. These messages will contain details, warnings, and instructions that are unique to the day in which we live. If you choose to reject them over a limited understanding of the Scripture, do so at your own peril. Rightly dividing the Word of truth honestly will support the thesis of Jonathan Cahn’s message.

      • Pharisees.org

        MOCKING THE CHILD OF HELL CAHN, that freaking evil clown:

        DEUT. 4:8 WHAT NATION IS THERE SO GREAT THAT HAS STATUTES AND JUDGMENTS AS RIGHTEOUS AS ALL THIS LAW, WHICH I SET BEFORE YOU THIS DAY

        GOD HIMSELF states NO GENTILE NATION has the Torah! Not having the Torah, GOD IS NOT GOING TO PUNISH THEM FOR NOT OBSERVING THE SHEMITAH!

        Not until the SON OF GOD is ruling on earth do the Gentiles nations receive God’s law and must follow same (Jeremiah 12:14-16).

        SON OF GOD: REPENT BECAUSE THE KINGDOM OF GOD IS COMING (Matthew 4:17)

        The evil Christian Paul converts: REPENT OR WRATH

        God did says I DECLARE NEW THINGS (Isaiah 42:9)

        MATTHEW 11:13 FOR THE LAW AND THE PROPHETS PROPHESIED UNTIL JOHN THE BAPTIST

        The law said break the law/pay the peanalty, the prophets prophesied: stop doing evil or God will destroy you – that has been replaced by:

        1. I FORGIVE YOU, GO AND SIN NO MORE (John 8:11), no more penalty enforced for breaking God’s law

        2. REPENT BECAUSE THE KINGDOM OF GOD IS COMING

        NO OTHER REASON, idiot Christian jackas** claiming to be of the Son of God when your real master is the WOLF false apostle Pharisee Paul!

        And while the moron Christians say GRACE NO MORE LAW, whereas the SON OF GOD SAYS:

        Rev. 22:14 BLESSED ARE THOSE WHO DO GOD’S LAW

        They say GOD’S WRATH, GOD’S PUNISHMENT IS COMING UPON EVILDOERS OF USA, that’s a big theme on BIN, the jackas* Christians preaching their WRATH OF GOD IS COMING, JUDGMENT BECAUSE OF ….

        as to the dog Jonathan Cahn, he says judgnent of God on USA and world because of violation of the Shemitah :shock:

        BUT THE SON OF GOD SAYS

        LET BOTH EVIL PEOPLE AND GOOD PEOPLE GROW UNTIL THE HARVEST (Matthew 13:30)

        The HARVEST is when the Son of God sends his angels to REMOVE ALL EVIL PEOPLE from the earth (Matthew 13:41).

        DOG AMERICANSRON2u

        your freaking master Dog Paul EXCUSES EVIL, as to himself and any one he wants to bring under his umbrella of coverage:

        IT AIN’T ME DOING MY EVIL DEEDS, THAT IS SIN IN MY FLESH DOING MY EVIL DEEDS (Romans 7:17).

        ROMANS 7:19 … I DO NOT KNOW HOW TO DO GOOD. I AM A PRACTITIONER OF EVIL

        In Philippians 3:4-6, the evil Paul says I PERFECTLY KEPT ALL OF GOD’S LAW IN MY DEEDS

        so much for the clown pig paul’s alleged law of sin that keeps anyone from being able to keep God’s law in their deeds, hey freaking evil Christians!

        I PRACTICE EVIL AND I SHALL MAKE THE GENTILES OBEDIENT IN THEIR DEEDS (Romans 7:19, 15:18) :twisted: :twisted: children of Helll, the whole lot of them are bloody children of Hell dogs:

        Acts 23:6 I AM A PHARISEE AND THE SON OF A PHARISEE

        Matthew 23:15 Pharisees are CHILDREN OF HELL and their converts are TWICE THE CHILDREN OF HELL than Pharisees

        MOST CHRISTNAS ARE CHILDREN OF HELL, their master pig Paul is a CHILD OF HELL:

        Matthew 7:22-23 MANY shall say to me in that day, but Lord Lord we did many wonderful works in your name … And I will tell them I NEVER KNEW YOU. Depart from me, workers of lawlessness

        WE AIN’T UNDER THE LAW, WE UNDER GRACE (Romans 6:14).

        Rev. 22:14 BLESSED ARE THOSE WHO DO GOD’S LAW

        Evil Chrisitans, we too have the risen and ascended into Heaven Christ in John’s Book of Revelation and NOWHERE DOES HE CONFIRM YOUR MASTER’S DOCTRINE.

        The Pharisees of the 325 AD Council of Nicaea altered parts of John’s writings and Matthew’s writing, but the BULK OF THE DOCTRINE IS THERE.

        John’s TRUE RISEN AND ASCENDED INTO HEAVEN CHRIST

        versus

        Pig Paul’s FALSE risen and ascended into Heaven christ – A FALSE CHRIST

    • santiago

      Why should I listen to some Jewish rabbi?

      • ElOregonian

        Unfortunately for non-believers, Christ Jesus was/is a Jewish Rabbi.

        • CAPTAIN CHAOS!!

          “Unfortunately for non-believers, Christ Jesus was/is a Jewish Rabbi.”

          Sorry friend. That just isn’t so. Messiah was neither ‘Jewish’ (as we know ‘Jewish’ today; that is, Talmudic Judaism) nor was He a rabbi.

          Matthew 23:8

          But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your ***Master***, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.

          The word here which Messiah applies to Himself is:

          Master = G2519 καθηγητής kathēgētēs From a compound of G2596 and G2233; a guide, that is, (figuratively) a teacher: – master.

          At no time did He ever ascribe the title of ‘rabbi’ to Himself. All He said was do NOT be called rabbi.

      • they.pierced.My.hands.and.My.feet.

        There were the Judean ones of the Essenes, like the one in Nazareth,
        who did baptism instead of butchery.

        There were the Judean ones of the Pharisee/Saducee bunch who did
        butchery.

        • CAPTAIN CHAOS!!

          Sounds suspiciously like you reject the God of the Old Testament.

          • they.pierced.My.hands.and.My.feet.

            Fortunately for me, I knew Yehoshua before I started researching
            beyond what I would hear in believer meetings, and among believers.

            I depend on Him to bear witness to the Truth.

            He has borne witness to the Truth of many prophecies in the Tnkh , which were fulfilled in Yehoshua, during His advent.

            So, I at least believe that part “as it has generally been presented”, but I’m not accountable to anything therein, unless He bears witness to it, that it is of Him.

            Lot of things going on in the OT, I don’t take them at face value.

            • CAPTAIN CHAOS!!

              “I’m not accountable to anything therein…”

              You’re accountable to every jot and tittle, just like the rest of us. You’re disgusted by the concept of animal sacrifice, are you? How about Messiah’s Sacrifice? Do you think that was authentic? Did Messiah actually die on the cross? …or is that just another portion of Scripture you find suspect and worthy to be rejected – like Paul’s letters and whichever bits of the Old Testament you find problematic.

              “…unless He bears witness to it, that it is of Him.”

              He has born witness. You did not believe His witness. You think you’re qualified to make mincemeat of the Word and to pick and choose the bits which suit you? And now you think Messiah owes you some sort of personal confirmation regarding the Law and the Prophets? You just might be starting to exhibit that special kind of self-absorbed ‘Before It’s News’ vainglory. That was pretty fast.

            • they.pierced.My.hands.and.My.feet.

              Now Walter, I am promised that the Holy Spirit will lead me into all Truth, teaching me all things.
              I’m just following, and He has never told me that I am answerable to ever jot and tittle.

              No, I’m not qualified of myself to determine what is of Him and what is not, that is one of the benefits of having a personal relationship with Him, He knows what is of Him.

              Messiah owes me something ? He has a Covenant with Me, and I believe He faithfully does His part, which includes knowing the Truth that makes one free.

              The law and prophets were fulfilled_Lk.24:44.
              The law and prophets were up until John and then the Kingdom of God is proclaimed, the Kingdom that is within ( believers ), the very Holy Spirit of Father Almighty.

              Therein the promise of Jeremiah 31:33 “But this shall be the covenant that I will cut with the house of Israel: After those days, declares Jehovah, I will put My Law in their inward parts, and I will write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.”

              So, with all of the benefits of the New Covenant through His blood, for example He could put me anywhere in the farthest reaches of eternity without books or other helps, and could still grow me up to His satisfaction.

              “I desire mercy and not sacrifice” Mt 9:13.
              Then we have Isaiah 53 though showing how He would sacrifice Himself for our Redemption.

              I am still looking at the differences between the Pharisee way which we have in the OT, and the parallel Essene way revealed in the Dead Sea scrolls, which was happening at the same time, but not known much about until the Dead Sea scrolls were found.
              After all, Yehoshua did come as a Nazarene, not a Pharisee or Saducee, or couldn’t see, wouldn’t see.

            • CAPTAIN CHAOS!!

              “I am promised that the Holy Spirit will lead me into all Truth, teaching me all things.”

              Not arguing that, Pierce. But no one told you the Holy Spirit would override that which has been written. If the spirit you have whispering in your ear teaches you things that contradict the written Word, then have a very serious problem on your hands.

              “I’m just following, and He has never told me that I am answerable to ever jot and tittle.”

              Let’s say you’re right and it is the HOLY Spirit talking to you. Is He expected to repeat everything written in Scripture? Scripture was written for our edification. We are meant to study that Word and to make of it a comprehensible whole. That’s a life’s worth of work right there. But what I’ve seen from you thus far is a seeker who has whittled the Bible down to a skeleton version of its true self – not all that uncommon. Did the spirit disclosing things to you tell you to reject Paul? Did it excoriate animal sacrifice in the Old Testament Temple eras? Or did you do those things on your own…

              “No, I’m not qualified of myself to determine what is of Him and what is not, that is one of the benefits of having a personal relationship with Him, He knows what is of Him.”

              So how do you know ‘He’ is who ‘He’ says ‘He’ is? Did you put ‘Him’ to the test the way you’re commanded to?

              “Messiah owes me something?”

              Are you asking me, or was that an errant question mark?

              “He has a Covenant with Me, and I believe He faithfully does His part, which includes knowing the Truth that makes one free.”

              Him knowing a thing and you knowing it are not the same. Your job (our job) is to seek Truth. He does not say: ‘SIT… and ye shall find because I will come and bring it to you.’

              “The law and prophets were fulfilled Lk.24:44.”

              That is NOT what Luke 24:44 says. Here is what it says:

              Luke 24:44

              And He said unto them: These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things MUST BE fulfilled, which were written in the Law of Moses, and in the Prophets, and in the Psalms, concerning me.

              Now I ask you: when did MUST BE become the same thing as HAS BEEN? It doesn’t really get any more basic than this, Pierce. And yet, here you are bringing us a different Gospel than the one which has been preached.

              “The law and prophets were up until John and then the Kingdom of God is proclaimed, the Kingdom that is within ( believers ), the very Holy Spirit of Father Almighty.”

              And you take this to mean what, exactly? That the Law and the Prophets have now ceased, since we’ve been given the Good News of the Kingdom? The Law and the Prophets were until the Good News. The Good News is in addition to the Law and the Prophets – not instead of.

              “Therein the promise of Jeremiah 31:33…”

              We see this promise misapplied on a more-or-less daily basis around here. Is it your contention that the promise has been fulfilled? Is it your contention that His Laws are now written on your heart of flesh? Say on if that is what you believe.

              “…He could put me anywhere in the farthest reaches of eternity without books or other helps, and could still grow me up to His satisfaction.”

              And He could raise up children to Abraham from these stones. Is there anything He cannot do? But because He can do a thing, does it mean that He has done or will do it? Basic, Pierce.

              ““I desire mercy and not sacrifice” Mt 9:13.”

              Right now there should be no animal sacrifice. There is no altar at which to burn and Messiah gave Himself as the Perfect Offering. But this truth does nothing at all to disavow the Old Testament statutes.

              “Then we have Isaiah 53 though showing how He would sacrifice Himself for our Redemption.”

              Do you believe He did that? Or is Isaiah 53 another area of Scripture which you cast to the shadows.

              “I am still looking at the differences between the Pharisee way which we have in the OT, and the parallel Essene way revealed in the Dead Sea scrolls…”

              Friend (Brother? Sister?) The way of the Old Testament was not the way of the Pharisee. The Pharisees misapplied what they read in Old Testament Scripture and turned it all into strict legalistic idolatry. The Pharisees worshipped the Law – not the Lawgiver. The Pharisees thought they could attain to perfection by perfect observance of the Law. They were wrong. The Pharisees took no care whatsoever for the inward things of the spirit, but brought instead all of their attention and efforts to bear on that which could be seen and observed outwardly by others, making long prayers and long tassels. But because the Pharisees misapplied the Law does not mean that the Law should be impugned or otherwise accused by us. Messiah came to show us what perfect obedience to Old Testament Scripture looked like; He did not come to implement or to inaugurate some new (or other) system whereby we could be saved.

              Whoever wrote the Dead Sea Scrolls (maybe they were Essenes) were a very religious sect. Of that there is little doubt. But they too strayed from the mark; albeit in a different direction from the Pharisees. Please don’t make the mistake of thinking one or the other of those two groups must be the sole arbiter of Truth rightly-understood. Neither of them were or are.

              Messiah is the Teacher – not the Pharisees and not the ‘Essenes.’ Messiah was not a Pharisee. Nor was He an Essene.

            • they.pierced.My.hands.and.My.feet.

              “But no one told you the Holy Spirit would override that which has been written. If the spirit you have whispering in your ear teaches you things that contradict the written Word….”

              Actually some time ago I was one of those “biblical inerrancy” folks, but no,just because something is ‘written’ in a very special book that was put together over thousands of years, I don’t back off of testing all things about it. And like I said I simply
              depend on the Holy Spirit to lead me into what is true. And, any believer who doesn’t know how to hear the one Shepherd’s voice, truly does have a serious problem on their hands.

              “But what I’ve seen from you thus far is a seeker who has whittled the Bible down to a skeleton version of its true self ” It is simply putting whatever word being looked at, up to His Light. He clearly instructed that one qualification to learn from Him ( disciple ),was to deny one’s own soul ( self ), “I can do nothing of My self” as He said.So, studying the Word for me requires a different approach, than what a natural
              man without the Holy Spirit would do in “studying”.

              “Did the spirit disclosing things to you tell you to reject Paul? Did it excoriate animal sacrifice in the Old Testament Temple eras?”

              Actually when I just began to see a little problem with Paul, the Holy Spirit
              ‘checked me’ indicating to me, not to judge Paul, the person. So from the beginning
              of my new view of Paul, I was admonished, even before I got out of the gate.

              As for bloody sacrifices, one example; Jeremiah 7:22 ( ongoing examining this )

              “For I spoke NOT to your fathers, and commanded them NOT in the day wherein I brought them up out of the land of Egypt, concerning whole-burnt-offerings and sacrifice:”

              “So how do you know ‘He’ is who ‘He’ says ‘He’ is? Did you put ‘Him’ to the test the way you’re commanded to?”

              Well, He has His ways over time showing a believer who He is,confirming the Truth to them, “they shall all know Me” Jeremiah 31,
              that’s His business to make His kids know Him, mine to pay attention.

              “Messiah owes me something?”
              I was responding to the statement below:

              “And now you think Messiah owes you some sort of personal confirmation regarding the Law and the Prophets?”

              My present understanding is that since He is building me up by a continual revelation from Father of who He is, that He will make known to me Truth as it is related to Him.Still in the context of “I can do nothing of my soul/self”),
              so I have to get the spiritual reality of from Him, not just my mental understanding.

              For me to seek Truth, is to seek Him.

              I said: “The law and prophets were fulfilled Lk.24:44.”

              You said:

              “And He said unto them: These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things MUST BE fulfilled, which were written in the Law of Moses, and in the Prophets, and in the Psalms, concerning me. Now I ask you: when did MUST BE become the same thing as HAS BEEN?”

              My answer:

              “And He said unto them: These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things MUST BE fulfilled which were written in the Law of Moses, and in the Prophets, and in the Psalms, concerning me.”
              “while I was yet with you” is when He used the word “MUST”, which would be BEFORE HE’ fulfilled those things’. “It is finished”.

              I said: “Therein the promise of Jeremiah 31:33…”

              You said:”We see this promise misapplied on a more-or-less daily basis around here. Is it your contention that the promise has been fulfilled? Is it your contention that His Laws are now written on your heart of flesh? Say on if that is what you believe.”

              Absolutely ! The Kingdom of God now being proclaimed is about a higher Righteousness than that of the self righteousness of the law, that higher righteousness being the righteousness of God.

              And since “they shall all know Me from the least from the greatest”, no need for Prophets, per se, though there is the need for all believers to know that they can prophecy if the Holy Spirit in them leads them to.
              The least in the Kingdom of God is greater than the greatest Prophet, John the Baptizer.

              When I said that He could put me anywhere in eternity…. I was emphasizing that
              He could grow me up anywhere, without the aid of a book, etc, because of His indwelling Presence.

              Re-post for same subject mention above.
              As for bloody sacrifices, one example; Jeremiah 7:22 ( ongoing examining this )
              “For I spoke NOT to your fathers, and commanded them NOT in the day wherein I brought them up out of the land of Egypt, concerning whole-burnt-offerings and sacrifice:”

              Yeah, the Essene writings have some definite errors in doctrine, which don’t stand up to Yehoshua’s teachings. The DSS brought more light on their existence, which was apparently suppressed by men or whatever.

              Isaiah 53_yes I believe it, and it brings much freedom as He applies the reality of it daily.
              Bro. Pierce

            • CAPTAIN CHAOS!!

              “…very special book that was put together over thousands of years, I don’t back off of testing all things about it.”

              No one said you shouldn’t test Scripture. That’s where the study begins. Then we can weed out the few alterations which crept in over the centuries. A time-consuming endeavor, but not a difficult one.

              “As for bloody sacrifices, one example; Jeremiah 7:22 ( ongoing examining this )…”

              Ongoing examination good. Mishandling verses bad. Let’s have a look at Jeremiah:

              Jeremiah 7:22

              “For I spoke NOT to your fathers, and commanded them NOT in the day wherein I brought them up out of the land of Egypt, concerning whole-burnt-offerings and sacrifice…”

              And? Where is the problem there? When the Israelites were brought up out of Egypt, the Most High saddled them lightly with very few commands. He told them: Follow Me. There were no statutes and ordinances given until later, once they were all in Arabia.

              Your mishandling of Luke 24:44 is severe. You’re looking for a meaning, so you take that expectation with you into your exploration of the verse. You are importing a concept which does not otherwise exist in the wording. All things MUST BE. And all things WILL BE. But all things have NOT BEEN fulfilled. Do you reject the Book of Revelation? If not then you should know for a fact that all things have not been fulfilled. Consider the timeline we are given in Scripture. Is it finished? Have all the prophecies come to pass? Not by a mile, friend. More to come means all has not yet been fulfilled. Have all things been put under His feet? Has death been swallowed up in victory? All things, Pierce. Not some. No, we’re not there yet. And therefore, the Law and the Prophets stand.

              “It is finished”

              Messiah’s triumph over His enemies is what was finished. The Restoration of All Things is yet ongoing.

              “The Kingdom of God now being proclaimed is about a higher Righteousness than that of the self righteousness of the law, that higher righteousness being the righteousness of God.”

              You overlook the salient fact that the LAW is the LAW of God. And consider the meaning of the Hebrew word before it is translated: Torah = Instruction. God’s Instruction to us carries as much weight today as it ever has. His Instructions are age-abiding. And if no man or church ever taught differently, none of us would ever have seen the message in Scripture about a temporary Instruction which we no longer need to concern ourselves with. Such a message doesn’t exist anywhere in the written Word.

              “…they shall all know Me from the least from the greatest”

              And your suggestion is that time is now? Have you looked around lately? The great apostasy is getting warmed up; not the time when all will know Him from the least to the greatest.

              “The least in the Kingdom of God is greater than the greatest Prophet, John the Baptizer.”

              My sense is that was true only while John was alive in this world.

            • they.pierced.My.hands.and.My.feet.

              I said,

              “For I spoke NOT to your fathers, and commanded them NOT in the day wherein I brought them up out of the land of Egypt, concerning whole-burnt-offerings and sacrifice…” “Jeremiah 7:22″

              You said,”And? Where is the problem there? ”

              The next verse proceeds the one above, and I will have to keep looking at who and what all is included in the innocent blood statement, possibly.

              “and shed not innocent blood in this place,…”
              then will I cause you to dwell in this place, in the land which I gave to your fathers of old and for ever.
              Jeremiah 7:6,7

              You said: “Your mishandling of Luke 24:44 is severe.”

              “This is the work of God, that you believe into Him who He has sent.” John 6:29 It’s all about Him, to which everything else proceeds …e.g., Revelations

              My emphasis is on the words: “things about Himself”

              “And He said to them, O foolish ones, and slow of heart to believe on all things which the prophets spoke!Was it not necessary for the Christ to suffer these things, and to enter into His glory? And beginning from Moses, and from all the prophets,
              He explained to them the things about Himself in all the Scriptures. “Luke 24:25-27

              My emphasis is on the words: “concerning Me:”
              “And He said to them, These are the Words which I spoke to you yet being with you, that all the must be fulfilled having been written in the Law of Moses, and the Prophets, and the Psalms, concerning Me.  … So it is written, and so the Christ must suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day. And repentance and remission of sins must be preached on His name to all the nations beginning from Jerusalem. And you are witnesses of these things.”Luke 24:44-48

              So, from my understanding, it that it all about Him, and all things about Him were fulfilled, and everything else is an ongoing manifestation of what He has already done, including Revelations.

              Yes, He defeated all of His enemies, so it is finished. Your expression that the Restoration is ongoing, I’m not sure exactly what your perspective is with your words, by how that is being accomplished.

              I would say that His victory/Restoration is out flowing, as in flowing out from His Spirit, through those who know to look and believe from that viewpoint, flowing from Him who is on the Throne, out through His brothers and sisters on Earth. Thy will be done on Earth as it is in Heaven.

              The Instructions given by Moses 613 ? Some of them are very practical and helpful, regardless of who a person is. I have a real problem with some of those ‘instructions’, some very brutal, and I don’t look for excuses of why God would instruct people to be brutal towards others, and also teach them to act right, “love your neighbor”. Still bringing these issues into His Light for understanding.

              The least to the greatest would be only those who are His. Apostasy, I believe if all of the true believers in the USA, turnedaway from whatever it is, and turn to Him, consistently, the evil that
              is going on would be put down quick.

              Yeah, John the baptizer surely has a good spot with the Lord, and there I just can’t see Him as anything but a great one.

            • CAPTAIN CHAOS!!

              My emphasis is on the words: “things about Himself”

              I thought your emphasis was on timing. And so it was, above where you began to explain your understanding of the verse.

              “…and all things about Him were fulfilled…”

              Not so, friend. Messiah has yet to receive His throne. Messiah has yet to return to Earth to rule the nations with a rod of iron. Messiah has yet to put all things at the Father’s feet. And He has yet to vanquish the last enemy – death itself. All things have NOT been fulfilled, Pierce. There are no two ways about it.

              “…everything else is an ongoing manifestation of what He has already done…”

              In light of my previous comment, do you still hold to this misunderstanding?

              “Yes, He defeated all of His enemies, so it is finished.”

              Death, Pierce. Not yet defeated. As long as ANYONE in this world dies, death is not yet defeated. It is written that Messiah made an open show of His enemies:

              Colossians 2:15

              And having spoiled principalities and powers, He made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.

              Messiah triumphed over death when He was resurrected. But death still has its hold on us. Death still has its hold over the Body of Messiah.

              “Your expression that the Restoration is ongoing, I’m not sure exactly what your perspective is with your words, by how that is being accomplished.”

              Quite simply – we and this world have not yet been restored to our/its former state of ‘VERY GOODNESS’:

              Genesis 1:31

              And God saw everything that He had made, and, behold, it was very good.

              All must return to that state, which we do not presently enjoy. All WILL be returned to that state. And that is the process – the Restoration of All Things. We are being re-made in the image of the Son. But we’ll die before that process is complete. So too this world must die before it is remade to the level of its former ‘goodness.’ The Son is the IMAGE of the Father. We are currently NOT made in the image of God. We are currently made in fallen Adam’s image and likeness:

              Genesis 5:3

              And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, after his image…

              “I would say that His victory/Restoration is out flowing, as in flowing out from His Spirit…”

              And that may be a fair assessment, but the consummation is yet future. We aren’t finished yet.

              “I have a real problem with some of those ‘instructions’, some very brutal…”

              That’s because you’re viewing those Instructions through the lens of human nature. You’re not viewing them through the lens of Spirit Nature. King David meditated on the Instructions day and night. That’s because there is far more going on in each and every one of them than at first meets the eye. For example:

              Leviticus 19:19

              Ye shall keep my statutes. Thou shalt not let thy cattle gender with a diverse kind: thou shalt not sow thy field with mingled seed: neither shall a garment mingled of linen and woollen come upon thee.

              Thou shalt not sow thy field with mingled seed. Do you know what this verse is teaching us? This verse teaches that the Most High does not dwell in temples made with men’s hands. The garment is the body we ‘wear’ in this world. The word for linen and woolen is a single Hebrew word. It is:

              H8162 שׁעטנז sha‛aṭnêz… Probably of foreign derivation…

              (See that? ‘Foreign derivation’? They don’t know what the word means. It is a confusing word to those who have not contemplated the Instruction, as King David contemplated it. The definition continues…)

              …linsey woolsey, that is, cloth of linen and wool carded and spun together: – garment of divers sorts, linen and woollen.

              So the rabbis hover over a microscope making sure not a single fiber of wool gets mixed in with their linen fabric, and vice versa. But what does the verse really mean? The verse teaches us not to let our ‘garment’ become mixed; not to let our body become mingled with ANYTHING – be it technology (think about the coming technological implants like what Google and Apple are designing) or be it genetic manipulation of ANY artificial kind…

              …or be it Daniel’s ‘THEY’ mingling their seed with the sons of men:

              Daniel 2:43

              And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, THEY shall mingle themselves with the seed of men…

              Whatever you think that verse means, you must consider the possibility that it’s a warning against precisely what we can see coming, just over the horizon (the Horus Rising), today. We must not let our garment (our body) become tainted through mingling of seed. To do so is to set up an IDOL within ourselves and to invite in an abomination which makes our temple (our body/our garment) desolate – for the Holy Spirit will NOT dwell within us if we ever become so defiled.

              That is what it means to study the Instructions and to meditate on them. That is why the Instructions are so important, even today. And that is why you must overcome your aversion to any portion of the Law – the Instructions of the Most High.

              “…and I don’t look for excuses of why God would instruct people to be brutal towards others…”

              The time for brutality will return. It will be even as it was then: At some point there will be Instructions for His people to destroy the mingled seed. There were giants in the Earth in those days. The seed of the giants was the seed God ordered to be exterminated. Satan had corrupted the singular seed through mingling – which is what he does. Satan is a seed mingler:

              Matthew 13:25

              But while men slept, his Enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.

              “Apostasy, I believe if all of the true believers in the USA, turnedaway from whatever it is, and turn to Him, consistently, the evil that is going on would be put down quick.”

              The evil would be put down. But we aren’t all going to turn to Him. We know that because we have the Prophets and the Prophets teach us what WILL happen.

              “Yeah, John the baptizer surely has a good spot with the Lord, and there I just can’t see Him as anything but a great one.”

              He lost his head for Messiah. Surely his reward will be significant.

            • they.pierced.My.hands.and.My.feet.

              Thought to clarify the context of where I am always speaking from. I believe the New/Everlasting Covenant is in full force, that the Holy Spirit is in believers as their Instructor, and the One who writes Father Almighty’s law within them_the Kingdom of God within.

              I speak about these things ( best case situation, and there might be a literal few who walk in it )
              Yes, I am emphasizing timing of Him, and what He has done.The context I always come from is “as it is in Him”, and those who are abiding in Him, and He in them, are in the same place as He. So, in Him, all is done, finished, in the Spirit, and in our spirit. So, as I said, all that we see in the outward, is simply the manifesting results of what He already did.

              “All authority in Heaven and in Earth has been given to Me.”
              So I believe He is ruling now, and what flows from Him is the Spiritual victory being enforced outright from Him, and through those believers that follow His Spirit. Raising the dead for exampleis a demonstration of His victory over death, pre and post His resurrection. Just because there is a lack of believers walking in His fulness doesn’t negate the
              victory, it just misrepresents it. I know of one person who after being raised from the dead, wasn’t too happy with the results_ they wanted to go back to Heaven, so it can also
              be based on individual preference, rather than that death has more power. I am only speaking in the context of believers experience, the unbelieving world gets the opposite of Isaiah 53_as though He didn’t do it, and so it goes with all unbelief normally. The only hold death has is though unbelief of Yehoshua’s victory. If i am standing under a tree as example, and Father says to me, “it’s time to go, come on”, and I leave my body and go, I wouldn’t say that is a victory for death.

              Through being born of God, my spirit is in that state of Goodness,( only God is good ) for it is filledwith the Holy Spirit, part of the New/Everlasting Covenant. He provides His love without measure, so the 2 commandments that equal law and prophets is a done deal, whether I walk in it or not, the love of God within is always there to be entered into.

              Therefore my spirit IS in the image of Father being born not created, and if I walk from my spirit (and not my sou),
              that image is seen. Seeing that my spirit is begotten of Father, and not made, it’s a done deal. Now, I’m sure there are new realities to grow in in eternity, but I’m just sticking with this earth realm now.

              Maybe this will clarify_I seek to walk from Yehoshua’s view/perspective, rather than the sight of the eyes,
              how things appear. Isaiah 53 _we ‘were’ healed and made whole according to those words. We sure ‘see’ a big difference in what’s out there among the suffering saints, but the reality still stands, and can be entered into. And so it goes with all else, based on ‘it is finished’.

              What are the royalties on this little booklet ?

            • CAPTAIN CHAOS!!

              “Just because there is a lack of believers walking in His fulness doesn’t negate the
              victory, it just misrepresents it.”

              No one said it negated His victory. Here’s the problem – Scripture doesn’t describe these matters as ‘throwing a switch.’ It is written that we have been given the ‘earnest’ of the Spirit. That means we’ve been given a good faith down-payment on the promise. And that specific language speaks of only a portion of that which is to come. Moreover, Scripture depicts for us the processes whereby change from beast nature (which is human nature) to Spirit nature comes about. Note well the Apostles before Paul: Peter was regularly ‘dropping the ball.’ That’s because he wasn’t fully re-formed in the image of Messiah. We all owe a death before that change can be completed.

              “I know of one person who after being raised from the dead, wasn’t too happy with the results_ they wanted to go back to Heaven, so it can also be based on individual preference, rather than that death has more power.”

              You should be wary of anyone claiming to have been to ‘Heaven.’ Scripture is more than clear on that subject.

              “The only hold death has is though unbelief of Yehoshua’s victory.”

              I would classify that as a fair statement.

              “If i am standing under a tree as example, and Father says to me, “it’s time to go, come on”, and I leave my body and go, I wouldn’t say that is a victory for death.”

              But you are still answerable to death. You still, as we all do, owe a death.

              “I seek to walk from Yehoshua’s view/perspective, rather than the sight of the eyes…”

              Now you sound like Paul. Are you sure about rejecting him?

              If you’re coming at this solely from the perspective that all has been completed, then you must certainly not take large portions of Scripture at its word. And that is the natural result of dissecting the Word. The Bible must be viewed in its entirety in order to come away with a coherent and complete understanding of the narrative of salvation and the narrative of prophecy. There are holes in your perspective because you’ve disposed of major portions of the Word. That is how you’ve managed to arrive at the conclusion that ‘all is finished’ when major sections of the Bible tell us plainly that all is not finished. We know what to look for. We know the signs. And we should know what has and what hasn’t happened yet.

              Messiah is not ruling from His Throne, over the nations with a rod of iron. The Law does NOT issue forth from Jerusalem. The nations do NOT converge on Jerusalem for the Feast of Tabernacles. Rivers of living waters have not sprung forth from the mountain. We’re still short one Great Tribulation and short one ‘Man’ of Sin. Even without the Book of Revelation we can find these things named in Scripture (again I forget whether or not you hold to that Book – there are so many people who, for one reason or another, reject various Books of Scripture, it’s hard to keep track of sometimes).

              “What are the royalties on this little booklet?”

              Three weeks is the Before It’s News debate/conversation record. This is nothing.

            • they.pierced.My.hands.and.My.feet.

              Walter, back… to answer what I forgot to include. You were asking my source of something I said about sight’ ?

              “do not judge according to sight, but judge righteous judgment.” John 7:24

              The New / Everlasting Covenant is in Yhwshua’s Blood.

              So, I do not use Paul as a source, unless i kindly need to, just make a point.

              Back to the simple outline.

          • they.pierced.My.hands.and.My.feet.

            Walter, you said,”again I forget whether or not you hold to that Book” I am posting on my Bio an outline of the main points I’ve made, to make it easier tosee the basics, w/o repeats, limit confusion with long post, and save time.
            Seeking to explain some Word revelations given by the Holy Spirit to others who may not have yet had them ? O don’t believe there’s any figuring them out with the soul. So, I can at least just put the points in outline form for ease of understanding, for I realize what I am saying can sound extreme, or or even irrational in some cases, but I know it isn’t. And, no it’s not circular reasoning, I believe it, because I believe it. So, after my posting below, I am going to post the outline, and then go from there.
            Normally quotes are J P Green Lit. Trans.

            It is written:“For I spoke NOT to your fathers, and commanded them NOT in the day wherein I brought them up out of the land of Egypt, concerning whole-burnt-offerings and sacrifice…” Jeremiah 7:22

            “and shed not Innocent Blood in this place,…..then will I cause you to dwell in this place, in the land which I gave to your fathers of old and for ever. Jeremiah 7:6,7

            The Contradiction: when they were beginning to leave Egypt, it is written that they shed innocent lamb’s blood, a blood sacrifice. Exodus 12

            I am able to understand innocence of lambs, and the quality of their blood, and what it could represent
            without killing them, and shedding their blood.

            And, holy angels can know exactly who the people of God, are without putting innocent lamb’s blood on the doorpost and lintels.

            “It is written that we have been given the ‘earnest’ of the Spirit.”

            Paul said that, But in John it is said,”for God does not give the Spirit by measure.” John 3:34

            “That’s because he wasn’t fully re-formed in the image of Messiah.”

            Peter’s life, though is not the standard or best case.
            “We all owe a death before that change can be completed.”

            A point I did not complete, is that my body is not me. I am a spirit, with a soul, and the Holy Spirit is in my innermost being. I never die. I owe nothing to ‘death’, for Messiah already paid the price_Isaiah 53, Psalms 22

            Concerning Heaven, with a few statements about it, per your reasonable warning about folks claiming all kinds of whatever.

            I ‘came’ from Heaven, generated from Heaven above.
            “Truly, truly, I say to you, If one is not generated from above, he is not able to see the kingdom of God.”John 3:3

            “and that having been generated out of the Spirit is spirit.” John 3:7

            “You must be generated from above. The Spirit breathes where He desires, and you hear His voice; but you do not know from where He comes, and where He goes; so is everyone having been generated from the Spirit.”
            John 3: 7,8

            We know that Enoch is said to have prophesied that many ‘thousands’ of saints will be returning to earth with Messiah.

            “And no one has gone up into Heaven, except He having come down out of Heaven, the Son of Man who is in Heaven.” John 3:13

            “Abide in Me and I in you” John 15_those who abide in Him, and He in them, they are where He is,
            and being that He lives in eternal life ( whether manifesting in Earth time or not ), they are abiding in what is of His history, and beyond.

            “you must certainly not take large portions of Scripture at its word.”

            Absolutely, I do not take scripture at face value, but seek His revealing first that a word is of Him, and second seek His revelation of what is being said in that word. And
            actually He has revealed important portions of scripture to me as being Truth.

            “The Bible must be viewed in its entirety in order to come away with a coherent and complete understanding of the narrative of salvation and the narrative of prophecy.”
            “That is how you’ve managed to arrive at the conclusion that ‘all is finished’ when major sections of the Bible tell us plainly that all is not finished. We know what to look for. We know the signs. And we should know what has and what hasn’t happened yet.”

            I do view the Bible in its entirety, though without the shedding of innocent blood sacrifices and offerings as being the true way that it was, or was suppose to be. I can understand ‘innocent blood’ without killing something, without killing many innocent creatures for centuries. And I veiw it as a book that needs to be brought fully into His Light to reveal what is of Him, and what isn’t.

            We earlier agreed that His “it is finished” was all about Him, and in that context He had dealt with all of His enemies. So, an inclusive enemy of His was anything not-restored. That then covers everything actually, including time. Again, I am speaking from His perspective of it is finished and He ‘is’ the Reality/Truth.
            In Him, all is finished. When we believe into Him, we see it as He sees it.

            “Messiah is not ruling from His Throne, over the nations with a rod of iron. ”

            I believe that He is now ruling, and that His wrath is a rod of iron, and worse…HWHY.
            “All authority in Heaven and on earth was given to Me.”
            “The one believing into the Son has everlasting life;
            but the one disobeying the Son will not see life,
            but the wrath of God remains on him.” John 3:36

            Over and out, going to the outline.

    • Anonymous

      “shmita” is terrorism made by the Khazarian Mafia
      and deployed by jew boys like Jonathan Cahn
      and supported by the media which is run by the same mass murders

    • stonehillady

      You know Rabbi, if the Jew had been eliminated after Jesus left the scene, the world would be in a totally different place, your kind had done such skullduggery and pillaged so many, enslaved so many with your worship of money, I hope when Jesus returns he treats all of you dead and alive with a thousand cuts.

      • ElOregonian

        Better yet, pray for their salvation, for God does not wish for one to perish, no not one.

    • Lord Humongous!

      It will be a great day when the fist of the Lord pummels this nation into dust. It truly is long over due but when it happens…IT WILL BE GREAT!!!!!

    • The Truth Wins

      I would have enjoyed the video much more if the fake ‘Star of David’ was not behind Mr. Cahn. There is no star of David mentioned in the Bible…anywhere….Torah or the rest of it. The menorah was the holy symbol designated for His people (Israel) as indicated in the books of Moses. The six pointed star has been used since Nimrod’s Babylon to represent the god Rephan; also known as the planet Saturn.

      Read Acts 7:43 and Amos 5:26. The six pointed star is detestable to Yahweh/Elohim/Almighty God. Do a Google Images search for the ‘star of the god Rephan’. How hard is it to figure out? I am no genius. Satan has put current Israel under a false symbol and it is ruled by evil people such as the Rothschilds. Do some research. It is a deception. God uses evil people to carry out His will just as He has done throughout history.

      • they.pierced.My.hands.and.My.feet.

        The 6 pointed star is before man. It is in the flower of life, the basic structure of creation. Could it be, that someone flies that flag for that purpose ?

        Evil doers don’t set the standards, because eventually the evil they do will destroy them, so, nothing there.

    • Michael Carrigan

      If you are ready, it doesn’t matter when the Lord returns. Be watchful. No one knows except God the Father.

      Luke 12
      37Blessed are those servants, whom the lord when he cometh shall find watching: verily I say unto you, that he shall gird himself, and make them to sit down to meat, and will come forth and serve them. 38And if he shall come in the second watch, or come in the third watch, and find them so, blessed are those servants.

      39And this know, that if the goodman of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched, and not have suffered his house to be broken through. 40Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not.

      If you consider the implications, this means if you think the Lord is coming, He does not. But he may come when you think not. You may NOT think he is coming at a particular hour and lo and behold, he does NOT. So you are right. This happens repeatedly. But there will come such a time as you think NOT and then he will come.

      And it is not as though one can cause the Lord to come or not merely by expectations. There will be great evil in the world fulfilling the statement that the sin of the Amorites must be full. And yet the knowledge of the Lord shall fill the whole earth. In the last days of the kingdom of Israel before the exile, there were extremes of good and evil (e.g. Hezekiah and Manasseh). And suddenly the good was cut down in his prime (Josiah) and the decline followed quickly. This is a type or similitude (as seen in Hosea). As Jesus said, without a parable he spoke not unto them. Even the Law and the Prophets are just such a similitude that is still being fulfilled.

      We can see the signs. The evil is evident in popular media. Those declaring their sin are exalted (see Isaiah 3:9). Also, woe unto those that decree unrighteous decrees and write grievousness that they have prescribed.

      Also as seen above, you must be ready and watchful. Better to say, MAYBE he will come now. I better keep my eyes on Jesus and have the oil in my lamp.

      And even though there are those who state with certainty that nothing will happen by a certain date, there is no doubt that some will die and enter hell without Christ by that date. Even though the second coming of the Lord may be delayed for the church as a whole, the time of judgment for some is not delayed.

      Today is the day of salvation. Give your heart to Jesus today.

      • Truthseeker

        mike carrigan

        today is “A” day of salvation and God the Father and His Son Jesus Christ do not want anyone “heart” they want them to obey and live Their perfect way as outlined by the Commandments.

        The Commandment show what – DOES NOT – produce peace, prosperity, happiness, Joy and the world hates that law which is why the false ministers ask you to give your heart because it avoids asking you to give up SIN. I bet the vast majority had not one clue how to give their hearts. It is foolishness.

        When the Commandments say Adultery is wrong or stealing is wrong can’t people see the logic?

        How can murder, theft, fornication produce happiness? Yet the folks hate the Law.

        • Michael Carrigan

          Today IS the day of salvation for some. Some will NOT have another chance.

          Giving your heart to Jesus is a simple way to describe turning over your life to Him. A child could understand it. You give him your life, your desires, everything you want needs to be placed behind what He wants.

          Giving your heart to Jesus does not mean not repenting and not giving up your sin. You can’t truly give yourself soul to Him while hanging onto sin. Not that there will not be temptations, but the Lord will provide a way of escape.

          I have never heard someone say that giving your heart to Jesus might mean keeping your sin. It’s a shame that there are those that preach that.

    • Truthseeker

      9/ 1966 — Market had a slow crash of 20%

      9/ 1973 – Oil shock and Roe vs Wade

      9/ 1980 – Hard recession begins

      9/ 1987 – Bond market crash, interest went from + – 2% to almost 8%

      9/ 2001 – 9-11 and stock market crash

      9/ 2008 — Stock market hard crash, the beginning of ’0′ interest, and easing LOL dumping $ into banks

      9/ 2015 ?????? we will see won’t we

    • wackado

      Obviously, no matter what is coming, we need to repent before God. This country has done some pretty bad stuff. :sad: :sad: :sad:

    • charlie2dogs

      it will be a great day when religious fanatics reap what they have sowed in doom, gloom, death and destruction on this earth.

    • sean michael blacab

      Oh look the good positive entity jew speaks,the bad entity
      jew is in power.I guess they got both sides as usual .
      Nothing to see here move on same b/s…….

      qikq

    • MKNOXNBK

      Its not just America the whole damn planet has turned their back on God. Stop blaming the U.S. and saying it’ll be the only nation that’ll fall . look at the rest of the world, judgement is coming to the whole planet.

      • AmericansRon2U

        I don’t think anyone is saying that America is the ONLY nation that will be judged. Maybe you misunderstood. The point is that God blessed and protected this nation and Israel like no other nation. However, America was supposed to be the “shining city on a hill”…a beacon to the rest of the nations. When we stopped being the beacon and turned away from God, his blessings and protection were removed. That’s sort of what Rabbi Cahn is trying to warn about. It doesn’t mean that the other nations of the world are off the hook. It just means that some are dealt with more harshly than others because they knew God and abandoned Him anyway.

        Ancient Israel was destroyed and was allowed to be taken by her enemies because they knew God and still turned to idols and sin. They were dealt with more harshly for that. God warned them over and over to turn back to Him but, like America today, people ignored the warnings. If Israel or America had turned back to God and repented, God would heal their nation: 2 Chronicles 7:14. I just don’t believe America will turn back to God. Our govt. just recently redefined marriage! That may be the straw that broke the camel’s back, folks. God is loving and merciful but He’s also a JUST God. So???

    • Klemens

      Orlando Airport To Open $250,000 Muslim Prayer Room
      http://www.mostholyfamilymonastery.com/news/orlando-airport-to-open-250000-muslim-prayer-room/#.Vcyq0X28rsY

      Muselman-GOD = Satan!

    • pdarling

      Heb 12:25-29, “See that ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from him that speaketh from heaven: Whose voice then shook the earth: but now he hath promised, saying, Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven. And this word, Yet once more, signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain. Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear: For our God is a consuming fire.”
      I would say it this way…respond to the Lord, Look to Him. Trust in Him. Ask Him that you may grow in grace and in the knowledge of the Lord Jesus, that you may walk worthy of Him. Without faith it is impossible to please Him, and faith comes by hearing…the Word of God. The Word, (made flesh) is the only thing that matters. He will teach us by His Spirit, we must lean on Him when we don’t understand, when what He is saying is different than we have learned in church. The Word has been watered down in America by virtue of our language and by the preaching of those who have not heard from God. Stand, therefore being girt about with the truth.
      One thing that I have learned over time is that He will correct me. If I am wrong in my understanding of the Word, He is faithful to correct me! Paul, writing his last letter to the churches says in Philippians that ‘he had not yet arrived’. Paul was in his eighties at the time. But, he said, let this mind be in you which was in Christ Jesus, and “if ye be in anything otherwise minded, I will reveal it to you”. Amen! Don’t run after any thing else, not a ministry, not safety, not any doctrine, not any man or preacher, not any church, not even God…WAIT on Him. He will move you as it pleases Him. Wait, I say on the Lord.
      Read Philippians 4, Jeremiah 23. Remember that the Word of God is one Book. The NT comes out of the OT. Paul was God’s vessel to explain this phenomenon to the world. Read Paul’s writings in order to gain a more complete understanding of what God’s plan is for His Bride and for humanity. May He cause us to come forth out of the desert dressed as a Bride before He comes!

    • Neoapok

      Rabbi Cahn is spot on with his SHEMITA prediction. And even now TPTB are scrambling to try and divert/delay the economic collapse.
      But, THEY cannot avoid the CATASTROPHE of Isaiah 24 blowing up in everyone’s face. The POTUS was warned to continue to be a friend to Israel… but no, LET’S MAKE A DEAL! The SCOTUS was warned to defend the definition of the ordinance of marriage between a man and woman…but no let’s follow the LGBT SPIEL! And lastly the FED was warned to not break the laws of common sense, and good economic sense by QE1 and QE2 …which has earned corporate and banking crooks a KILL. But has done the same to the US Dollar (soon to be worthless paper).

      When Mystery Babylon (The United States of America) burns, MANY will perish, suffer and never recover.

      REPENTANCE is still possible but ONLY if it turns from it’s wicked way, humbles itself and pray and seeks the Lord Jesus while he may yet be found.

    • SuperMario

      Oh gee, look another “Profit,” I mean “Prophet.” Prophecy is a joke but the money to be made with it is not.

    • Louis

      A haircut, shave and bath might make this slob look human enough to listen to — that is if he had anything to say, which he doesn’t.

      • Scanner Darko

        What are you talking about?

        That raggedy, poor man look he’s going for means he’s honest, trustworthy, and definitely not money-grubbing.

        • CAPTAIN CHAOS!!

          Behold, Esau my brother is a hairy man…

          • CAPTAIN CHAOS!!

            (I wonder if Esau had translucent eyebrows as well…)

    • neanderthal

      O H my, do I have time for a shower?

    • chefjim

      Much of what Cahn says is right on but when he got to the part about revival coming out of judgement I just had to leave a comment. Go read Isaiah 24 slowly and deliberately and place yourself in the middle of that horrifying situation. Now read Isaiah 13. Do you see any revival when the earth is literally turned upside down???

      EVERY SINGLE ITEM in your house INCLUDING YOUR HOUSE will be struck down and fall over. If you think that the Time of Jacob’s Trouble, AKA the great tribulation, has already started and the seals of the scroll have already been opening, think again.

      God created the heavens and the earth and everything seen and unseen. That means He has POWER over all of these things including US. When He decides to shake the earth, think of it like a man picking up sculpture that he made that he has grown tired of looking at and SHAKES it, drops it and steps on the remains. It will be WORSE for the world when God shakes His creation that even He, with His great patience and long-suffering, is tired of looking at. It will be complete. It will be the most horrific thing that has ever happened to this earth – much worse, in fact than the flood of Noah.

      The bible talks about destruction so great; so complete, that men will be scarce in the earth (Isaiah 13:12) and as for Jonathan saying that revival can come during this time that is so near to us, listen to this.. “Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.” Isaiah 13:9

      Now; where do you see REVIVAL in that? All I see is COMPLETE judgement on a world that has turned it’s back on God COMPLETELY and with ZERO percent chance for revival.

    • Stack-Matter

      It’s coming, maybe not as soon as sept. but it is about to happen. He is Americas Jonah as to Nineveh. Too many things point to the 23rd. Be prepared because you never know. Look around at what is happening in the world. It’s duh, obvious…

    • NWO for Dummies.

      Why is he standing in front of a luciferian symbol instead of a cross.

      Who is man to say who will go to heaven and who won’t. What a foolish endeavour.

      the Israel he is defending is the beast of the Apocalypse. the eighth head that was and was not and is again.

    • 131313

      Hmm…If he thinks it is divine justice, then he considers the human PTB to be gods, being as they are the ones intentionally causing the whole fiasco.

    • Sapphire

      Johnathan Cahn is today’s prophet and so wonderful to listen to. I hope he sees this message, as I have more startling news about what is coming. For those who want to check it out further, go to Google and type in: CERN Fox News report: Judge Jeanne
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXykpRgGv9g

    • Pink Slime

      Just laughable. Look at the SHIFTY EYES!

    • David Montaigne

      Paralambano makes some very valid points giving us reason to doubt any date-setters like myself. All I say is look at the evidence – so many things point to June 6, 2016 for the Antichrist – with Judgment Day in December 2019.
      As described in my last two books:
        End Times and 2019
        Antichrist 2016-2019: Mystery Babylon, Barack Obama & the Islamic Caliphate
      Of course for my books to be correct, we should soon see the economic collapse and chaos that (much like Germany in the early 1930s) will make people desperate enough to allow the Antichrist dictatorship in 2016.

    • Pa226p

      This guy is a snake oil salesman! He must be laughing at all the fake Christians scurrying around in a panic! Why are there no riots in the streets demanding the world protect the innocent Christians being slaughtered and raped daily by the barbaric Muslims!

    • UncontrolledOpposition.com

      The modern Evangelical church is teaching a false doctrine. Please watch this video to understand this great deception.

      https://www.youtube.com/embed/RwAhQ-xY-rA

    • ShinerSan56

      You’ve been fooled your locked in a prison made without hands.
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJgu4SBZ3mk the truth is there Church just take the red pill

    • charlie2dogs

      the most sickening, disgusting, destructive thing that i see on this earth right now is religious fanaticism.

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