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The Five Doves
John Tng

 


  
Dear Doves,

The Lord Jesus spoke these four words — “Behold, I come quickly!”, three times in the Book of Revelation in the KJV Bible. Without a doubt, the context is the rapture — the removal of His bride before God’s judgment falls upon the unsuspecting world. What can we glean from these four words?

First, note the urgency Jesus is expressing. The NIV Bible renders the four words as ‘Behold, I am coming soon!‘ — a phrase more easily understood by modern readers. The nearness of His coming is painfully evident to those with eyes to see and ears to hear, for “the time is at hand.” (Rev 1:3, 22:10) Jesus is likely to come within the next decade or two. For perspective, this is a very short time span since the Ascension two thousand years ago.

Let us therefore heed the admonition in James 5:7, “Be patient therefore, brethren, unto the coming of the Lord. Behold, the husbandman waiteth for the precious fruit of the earth, and hath long patiencefor it, until he receive the early and latter rain.”

Second, Jesus spoke these four words specifically to a target audience. Since these four words appear only in the Book of Revelation (3:11, 22:7, 22:12) in the whole Bible, isn’t it obvious Jesus was addressing the seven churches, warning them of the impending Apocalypse?

Yes and no. Yes, in general the Church as a whole is forewarned by the Lord judging from the content of the seven letters to the churches. No, it appears that Jesus is especially speaking to one church who heeds the warnings — the church at Philadelphia!

What is the proof?

The four words — “Behold, I come quickly!”, were spoken by Jesus only to the church at Philadelphia (Rev 3:11)!

Are you surprised that only six New Testament scriptures contain both the words ‘come‘ and ‘quickly‘, and that all six are found in the Book of Revelation? Moreover, all are red-letter scriptures — words that directly proceedeth out of the mouth of Jesus! Surely this is by design and it dovetails nicely with the fact that the Book of Revelation is the book on the Second Coming. These six scriptures are crucial for the end-time generation of believers as they speak of the coming of Jesus at the rapture. It behooves every end-time watcher to study them closely, for much is at stake. (The salvation of believers is not on the radar screen here.)

The first two of these six scriptures are instructive for all Christians although they concern only the churches at Ephesus and Pergamos. When juxtaposed, the two scriptures show an unmistakable common denominator.

Rev 2:5 (Ephesus)
Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and
repent, and do the first works; or else I will comeunto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thourepent.
Rev 2:16 (Pergamos)
Repent; or else I will comeunto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth.


The words ‘come’ and ‘quickly’ appear in both scriptures in an identical phrase — “or else I will come unto thee quickly“. Coupled with the word ‘repent’, it doesn’t appear Jesus was showing His approval of these two churches.

The third of the six scriptures concerns the church at Philadelphia: “Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.” (Rev 3:11) This church is remarkable in one principal aspect — Jesus promised to remove her before the Tribulation! The word ‘repent’ is absent only in the letters to these two churches — Smyrna and Philadelphia. But only the church at Philadelphia is promised removal, i.e. rapture.

The church at Philadelphia is most representative of the bride of Christ! (This is not saying the other churches are not the bride of Christ.) The evidence is beyond dispute. We know the New Jerusalem is described as the bride, the Lamb’s wife in Rev 21:9. But we also know Jesus is not going to marry a city, since He gave His life for the church — His body! He did not die for a building, no matter how glorious. Without question, the church is the bride of Christ (Rev 19:7-8). Didn’t He say He was going to prepare a place for the bride (John 14:2)? That place is the New Jerusalem — the city for the bride.

The iron-clad evidence that the church at Philadelphia is most representative of the bride is this: The term ‘new Jerusalem’ only appears twice in Scripture — once just mentioned in Rev 21, and the other occurrence is mentioned in the reward given to the church at Philadelphia in Rev 3:12 — a most remarkable verse in Scripture!

This tells us the church at Philadelphia is very closely associated with the city for the bride. In fact, she will be an integral part of the New Jerusalem as pillars in the temple of the City of God and she will go no more out!

The Groom is going to write His name (new!) on the church at Philadelphia, an indication of ownership. The bride belongs to the Groom because He bought her with His blood. Jesus will also sign the Father’s Name and the name of the New Jerusalem on the church at Philadelphia! What honor and privilege! The seal of approval rests assuredly on this church.

Jesus was intimate and personal in Rev 3:12. He said ‘my God‘ four times — the highest frequency this phrase is recorded in a single verse! This is a unique scripture with rare hidden pearls. (More can be said for sure.)

The church at Philadelphia is admonished to hold on to her crown and not let anyone deny her of it (Rev 3:11). Only one other church is promised crown — the church at Symrna.

Symrna and Philadelphia stand apart from the other five churches. Both were not rebuked. Both were not asked to repent. Both were promised a crown. The differences between the two churches are also telling. The church at Symrna was not promised removal. To earn her crown she must remain faithful unto death. The church at Philadelphia was promised removal and all she needs to do is to hold fast to her crown without having to die a martyr’s death!

Do you belong to the Philadelphia group? Do you wish to be included in this group? What must you do to be in this group? Is this a church of super saints light years beyond your reach?

The Lord Jesus must be thinking of this church when He allowed these beautifully inspired words to become scripture — “Thou hast ravished my heart, my sister, my spouse.” (Song 4:9)

What is her X Factor?

Surprisingly it can be stated in a few words — “thou hast a little strength, and hast kept my word, and hast not denied my name.” (Rev 3:8) This church hast kept the word of His patience, and therefore the Lord will keep her from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth. (Rev 3:10)

Are these super saints for real? Do they even exist on Planet Earth?

They have only a little strength, but “hast kept the word“. Many New Testament believers have grossly misunderstood law and grace. They feign humility by saying it is impossible to keep God’s Word. Granted, we can do nothing without Him (John 15:5), but ultimately it is YOU who will have to DO the doing, with God’s help. The church at Philadelphia proves that it is humanly possible to keep God’s Word, or else one has to wrest (2 Pet 3:16) the scriptures (Rev 3:8, 3:10) to deny their plain meaning.

What is meant by keeping God’s Word? It does not mean sinlessness as suggested by some. Don’t be silly! The Apostle John roundly debunks this falsehood in 1 John 1:8.

The rejection of King Saul and God’s choice of King David teaches us the meaning of keeping God’s Word. Saul was told by Samuel, “But now thy kingdom shall not continue: the LORD hath sought him a man after his own heart, …. because thou hast not kept that which the LORD commanded thee.” (1 Sam 13:14)

Was King David sinless? Hardly. Was he perfect? No. But his heart is perfect! (1 Kings 11:4) He is a man after God’s own heart! Ponder this in your heart and you will receive light. Stop excusing your failure in keeping God’s Word by saying it is humanly impossible.

1 John 1:6-7 is the acid test on whether you are keeping God’s Word: Are you walking in the light? Each time you fail to keep God’s Word, apply 1 John 1:9 to return back to fellowship with Him.

Now, fast forward to the last chapter of the Bible. There we find the last three of the six scriptures that contain the words ‘come’ and ‘quickly’. Via these two words, the urgency Jesus is expressing reaches a crescendo in the last chapter of the Book of Revelation! This is further bolstered by the fact that the word ‘come’ appears a total of seven times in this chapter, unmatched by the other 21 chapters! This ought to tell us clearly what the Book of Revelation is all about — the coming again of Jesus.

The fourth scripture, Rev 22:7, confirms the foregoing on keeping God’s Word — “Behold, I come quickly: blessed is he that keepeth the sayings of the prophecy of this book.”

Doesn’t this scripture describe to a “T” the church at Philadelphia who hast kept the word of His patience?

The church at Philadelphia looks forward to the day of judgment because she has boldness and rests perfect in His love (1 John 4:17). The fifth scripture is eagerly anticipated by her no doubt — “And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.” (Rev 22:12)

Finally, we come to the sixth and last scripture, Rev 22:20, where the famous heart cry of the bride is heard — “He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.”

It is interesting to note that the Bridegroom spoke the word ‘come’ three times and the bride four times in Revelation chapter 22. Both are looking forward to their wedding with great anticipation and excitement!

It appears as history rushes headlong towards its climatic end, the bride is increasingly consumed with the vision of the Coming Prince. Towards the end, prior to the rapture, she will have made herself ready as evidenced in her unity with the Holy Spirit by that time, recorded in Rev 22:17 — the only scripture in the Bible where the Spirit is mentioned together with the bride! In this scripture, both the Spirit and the bride say in unison, Come!

It is amazing that the last four of the six scriptures are primarily addressed to the bride, whom the church at Philadelphia is most representative.

As mentioned earlier, I am not saying the rest of the churches are not the bride of Christ. But the church at Philadelphia is most favored by the Lord and is exemplary as the bride of Christ. It appears Jesus is giving her a heads up, a friendly warning. The message appears to be: Don’t let anyone deny you of your crown. Hold fast to that which you have. The blessings are yours to keep if you keep the words of prophecy contained in the Word of God (Rev 1:3).

Do you want the blessings that belong to the church at Philadelphia? If your answer is yes, then keep His words and do as He says. The choice is yours.

We shall end with one more scripture — the seventh! We started by looking at this phrase, “Behold, I come quickly!”, which appears three times in the Book of Revelation. Sensing its relevance and importance to the rapture, we extend our search by looking at six scriptures that contain the words ‘come’ and ‘quickly’.

From these six scriptures, much is learned about the church at Philadelphia and her close identification with the bride of Christ. Suppose we drop the word ‘quickly’ and search for this shortened phrase, “Behold, I come”. A new scripture that the search returns, provides equally compelling evidence that the church at Philadelphia is the primary target audience of Jesus’ friendly warnings written in the Book of Revelation.

This new scripture is stamped with the word RAPTURE in bold letters — “Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.” (Rev 16:15)

Is this scripture also primarily a rapture warning to the church at Philadelphia? On the surface it more appropriately describes two other churches — Sardis and Laodicea.

The church at Sardis seems to be in view in Rev 16:15 because Jesus said to her, “If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.” (Rev 3:3) This church is half dead (Rev 3:1) and not watchful (Rev 3:2), unlike the church at Philadelphia. Only a few saints in Sardis did not defile their garments (Rev 3:4) while all the church saints at Philadelphia put on their wedding garments, being the bride that she is.

The church at Laodicea seems to be in view in Rev 16:15 because this verse reminds us of her naked condition described in the letter addressed to her by Jesus. However, the subtle difference between Rev 16:15 and the conditions of the Laodiceans is that the Laodiceans did not even put on any garments at all as evidenced in Rev 3:17 — “and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked.” They were wearing the Emperor’s new clothes!

Rev 16:15 more appropriately describes the blessed church at Philadelphia as these words indicate, “Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments.” The church at Philadelphia is vigilant and has put on her wedding garment, unlike the other two churches.

Thus, it appears that the Lord issues a few friendly warnings in the Book of Revelation to the church at Philadelphia whose name means “brotherly love” or “friendly love”. These warnings are recorded in the Book of Revelation in this order: On the eve of the Tribulation (Rev 3:11), prior to Armageddon (Rev 16:15), and at the closing chapter (Rev 22:7, 22:12, 22:20).

The stakes are high as this church may also be lulled into sleep and fail to watch like others, thereby forfeiting her reward!

The purpose of the Book of Revelation as stated in John’s opening confirms the thesis of this article: The church at Philadelphia appears to benefit the most from the reading of “the Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him,” (Rev 1:1) because she “kept all these things, and pondered them in her heart”.

This scripture speaks aptly of the church at Philadelphia — “Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.” (Rev 1:3)

The church at Philadelphia hangs on every word that proceeds out of the mouth of her Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. She is paying attention, reading and hearing the words of prophecy in the Book of Revelation and keeping those things which are written therein.

Do likewise, doves, and be blessed!

John

http://www.fivedoves.com/rapture/icomesoon.htm


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    • MG

      What you all do not realize is that the Dove is actually Lucifer. The 5 is the pentacle.

      • yes2truth

        Lucifer doesn’t exist. Lucifer is a Papist construct added to Isaiah 14 – a Latin word added to the Hebrew text.

        • Paul Muad\\\'Dib

          Crosby,

          You know two of our conversations have been removed? The entire articles and the comment sections have been deleted.

        • King of Shambhala

          I’m going to “come so fast” you’ll not even see it hit you.

          Sheriff Joe: Obama Maybe Alien + Illegal

          /obama-birthplace-controversy/2012/12/sheriff-joe-obama-maybe-alien-illegal-2450674.html

          Sheriff Joe’s itching to hear Obama and/or just get Congress to hear his proof and investigation’s research.

        • yes2truth

          Yes the author most likely removed them because I exposed his Christian religious nonsense for what it is – Judaising salvation by works garbage, a bit like yours, only yours is more evil in yer face satanic than his is, yours ALL coming straight from the Torah of course.

          BTW still waiting for proof that Faith needs works of the law to be valid. Good job I’m not holding my breath eh? LOL

        • Paul Muad\\\'Dib

          You don’t know how to debate, Crosby. You don’t know how to be honest. You don’t know how to be civil. And you don’t know how to read.

          If someone promised you ‘proof’ of anything, then I suggest that you go speak with him.

          If you can read Isaiah 14, the entire chapter, you will see how wrong you are that the Law was ever abrogated. Beyond that, I offer you “proof” of nothing. You would be as incapable of recognizing ‘proof’ if you saw it as you are incapable of discerning Truth — even when it’s right under your nose.

          hint — If the entire chapter of Isaiah 14 deals with the end times (and it does), then why is YHWH promising wrath and destruction for an Earth in which the Law has supposedly been done away with?

          I defy you to answer this question.

          Stop bothering me about proof.

        • Paul Muad\\\'Dib

          I did not mean Isaiah 14 in my above post.

          Isaiah chapter 24 is the chapter in which the topic of the Law and the end times is dealt with.

          Isaiah 24.

        • yes2truth

          No I don’t debate Dib. Debating is for pompous, arrogant, ignorant Judaisers and know nothing intellectuals like you. I just tell you The Truth, but like the satanic illegitamate that you are, you reject and argue against everything Yashua Anointed says through me.

          2 Cor 12:20 (KJV) For I fear, lest, when I come, I shall not find you such as I would, and that I shall be found unto you such as ye would not: lest there be debates, envyings, wraths, strifes, backbitings, whisperings, swellings, tumults:

          You are Spiritually blind and deaf and incapable of Spiritual understanding. It will be better for you in the resurrection if you put away ALL your Biblical books and materials now and gave up completely and of course sought professional help as you shows signs of an unbalanced obsessive disorder.

        • King of Shambhala

          You’re all false christs.

          Follow me.

          For I am the Way and sole truth.

        • yes2truth

          @ The Torah Thumper

          Just more blasphemies

          If you can read Isaiah 14, the entire chapter, you will see how wrong you are that the Law was ever abrogated. Beyond that, I offer you “proof” of nothing. You would be as incapable of recognizing ‘proof’ if you saw it as you are incapable of discerning Truth — even when it’s right under your nose.

          I answered the comment on Lucifer so the subject matter here is Lucifer, nothing else.

          However as you have speiled more lies I will answer your Judaising garbage. The Law does not apply in any way shape or form to those Born Again, only those who are endeavouring to gain perfection under their own steam or attempting to performi acts of faith in accordance with obedience to the law. LOL

          I am still waiting for your proof that the works of the law are required to validate Faith.

        • Mayhem

          I do, yes2truth, I know how to debate a bit.

          I got to say there’s definitely a divergence between your and Dib’s styles.

          I have to also say I am much more impressed by Mr Dib’s reasoned tone than yours Sir.

          He never say’s “I read this and then tells me it means this instead” Do you know what I mean?

          He’s also never on the prod? Hmmm?

        • Mayhem

          I hear that, yes2truth

          “2 Cor 12:20 (KJV) For I fear, lest, when I come, I shall not find you such as I would, and that I shall be found unto you such as ye would not: lest there be debates, envyings, wraths, strifes, backbitings, whisperings, swellings, tumults:”

          Do you?

        • Mayhem

          I like how Paul Muad’Dib encourages me to search and try to understand what I find. You Sir keep wishing the fires of hell on me.

          I’m already freaking the ‘f’ out if you don’t mind. :razz:

        • yes2truth

          “I do, yes2truth, I know how to debate a bit.”

          Hmm not a good sign and proof that you have much in common with The Satanic Torah Thumper.

          “I got to say there’s definitely a divergence between your and Dib’s styles.”

          Quite so with me just telling people The Truth, and the Dib Dog spouting lies and perversions of The Holy Scriptures.

          “I have to also say I am much more impressed by Mr Dib’s reasoned tone than yours Sir.

          This does not surprise me either. The Truth cannot be reasoned – The Truth IS. And of course, I would expect nothing else from you, and I won’t thank you for confirming that The Devil is not divided.

          “He never say’s “I read this and then tells me it means this instead” Do you know what I mean?”

          Yes I do know what you mean and it just proves that you and he are spiritually dead.

          “He’s also never on the prod? Hmmm?”

          Generations (races) of vipers and sons of the Devil have to exposed for what they are just as Yashua Anointed did in the first century. Unfortunately the Pharisees have never gone away and they are alive here on BIN in the form of The Dib Dog and yourself, it would now seem.

        • Paul Muad\\\'Dib

          Once again Crosby, you aptly demonstrate that your “ability” to read may just be your weakest asset. I corrected myself in the very next post, Crosby.

          I DID SAY ISAIAH 14 — I THEN CORRECTED MYSELF VERY VISIBLY AND EMPHATICALLY. LET’S TRY AGAIN, SHALL WE???

          ISAIAH 24 CROSBY. ISAIAH 24 CROSBY. ISAIAH 24 CROSBY.

          There. Even you should have managed to see it that time.

          Isaiah 24 deals with the end times from the beginning to the end of the chapter. YHWH explains to the people in the end time why He has wrought such destruction on the Earth; TOTAL global destruction, Crosby. This is yet future, even to us now. The chapter begins with utter global devastation and concludes with the Second Coming of Messiah. Here is the reason YHWH gives for this destruction:

          Isaiah 24:5

          The Earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof, BECAUSE THEY HAVE TRANSGRESSED THE LAWS, CHANGED THE ORDINANCE…

          Now watch this, Crosby. PAY CAREFUL ATTENTION:

          THEY HAVE BROKEN THE EVERLASTING COVENANT

          That’s right Crosby. Everlasting. That thing which you say has expired, the Almighty here calls EVERLASTING.

          But again, since you read the Scriptures as carelessly and as ineffectually as you read my postings addressed to you, it is no wonder you’ve managed to miss this and to conjure up the most wildly anti-scriptural doctrines of almost any man I’ve ever met.

        • yes2truth

          H1285
          בּרית
          berı̂yth
          ber-eeth’
          From H1262 (in the sense of cutting (like H1254)); a compact (because made by passing between pieces of flesh): – confederacy, [con-]feder[-ate], covenant, league.

          An ‘everlasting’ covenant that involved animal sacrifices. Unless of course you’re advocating that Yashua Anointed’s pierced flesh was not enough for you.

          And of course we all know that this is case, don’t we, because YOU are still trying to invoke the law in relation to your worthless faith. Out of interest do you sacrifice animals as acts of faith to prove that your faith is according to the works of the law?

          H5769
          עלם עולם
          ‛ôlâm ‛ôlâm
          o-lawm’, o-lawm’
          From H5956; properly concealed, that is, the vanishing point; generally time out of mind (past or future), that is, (practically) eternity; frequentative adverbially (especially with prepositional prefix) always: – always (-s), ancient (time), any more, continuance, eternal, (for, [n-]) ever (-lasting, -more, of old), lasting, long (time), (of) old (time), perpetual, at any time, (beginning of the) world (+ without end). Compare H5331, H5703.

          The “vanishing point” was at the cross. “Generally time out of mind” which could easily be 3 or 4 hundred years into the future or into the past.

          It was NEVER eternal because there was ALWAYS going to be a point in time when it would be fulfilled. MR Judaising DIB DOG.

        • Paul Muad\\\'Dib

          “An ‘everlasting’ covenant that involved animal sacrifices. Unless of course you’re advocating that Yashua Anointed’s pierced flesh was not enough for you.”

          Animal sacrifice was a temporary (stop-gap) measure which was taken until such time as Messiah could provide for us the perfect Sacrifice. Now that He has done so, further animal sacrifice has become the abomination which makes desolate.

          “Out of interest do you sacrifice animals as acts of faith to prove that your faith is according to the works of the law?”

          Animal sacrifice is no longer needed. See above. See the Book of Daniel. See the Letter to the Hebrews. Further animal sacrifice is an abomination.

          “It was NEVER eternal because there was ALWAYS going to be a point in time when it would be fulfilled. MR Judaising DIB DOG.”

          Mmmm hmmm. And what has Messiah to say on the matter? Luke 16:17 Thus sayeth Messiah:

          And it is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass, than one tittle of the Law to fail.

          Look around you Crosby? Has the Earth passed? Then neither has the Law.

          Good day sir.

        • yes2truth

          You said:

          THEY HAVE BROKEN THE EVERLASTING COVENANT

          And I have proven from Strong’s that everlasting only applies to the word covenant that means animal sacrifices only.

          You said you could read, now I know you cannot even do that:

          H1285
          בּרית
          berı̂yth
          ber-eeth’
          From H1262 (in the sense of cutting (like H1254)); a compact (because made by passing between pieces of flesh): – confederacy, [con-]feder[-ate], covenant, league.

          A COVENANT MADE BY PASSING BETWEEN PIECES OF FLESH = ANIMAL SACRIFICES.

          YOU are now behaving like a troll and not even a crap debator.

        • Paul Muad\\\'Dib

          “And I have proven from Strong’s that everlasting only applies to the word covenant that means animal sacrifices only.”

          WHAT!!?? You proved something Crosby? Where was I when this happened? You certainly haven’t proven anything on this page. You think that the Hebrew word for covenant (H1285 BERITH) ONLY APPLIES TO ANIMAL SACRIFICE? Really? Let’s see if you have a case:

          A ‘berith’ according to your source is:

          “A league or a confederacy. (2a) These are all cases of political agreement within Israel (2 Sam 3:12-13, 21; 5-3) or (2b) between nations (1 Kin 15:19).”

          FROM THE TWOT (Theological Wordbook of the Old Testament):

          (Put your reading glasses on Crosby)

          “BERITH: Covenant; between nations: a treaty, alliance of friendship; between individuals: a pledge or agreement; with obligation between a monarch and subjects: a constitution; between God and man: a covenant accomplished by signs, sacrifices*, and a solemn oath that sealed the relationship with promises of blessing for keeping the covenant and curses for breaking it.”

          [*Sacrifices – notice here that no such specification as ANIMAL SACRIFICES is made. The term used is SACRIFICES. Messiah’s Sacrifice was THE Sacrifice. Animal sacrifice served only until He could accomplish His work. IT IS NONSENSE TO ASSUME that wherever the term BERITH is used, ANIMAL sacrifice is always implied.]

          And in the case of the BERITH ratified at Mt. Sinai, and the RENEWED COVENANT IN MESSIAH’S BLOOD ratified at the Place of the Skull, the Covenant is one and the same.

          The LAW has not expired for the Law is contained within the Covenant and the Covenant (BERITH H1285)…

          IS EVERLASTING.

          (“Everlasting” is defined by Messiah in Matthew 5:18 and in Luke 16:17)

          Barring this explanation, I fear remedial reading lessons are what is called for in your case.

          Now then Crosby, what stupid names would you like to call me?

        • Mayhem

          @yes2truth…

          Thank you for your reply.

          Mate your tone re-inforces my opinion of you. :neutral:

          Did I tell ya I dabble in the occults? (no he di-int) I call it Forensic Profiling. :razz:

          Alright here’s my thing. I’m not waiting for Paul Muad’Dib to impress me any more than I am waiting for you to do the same. I await Him He will impress me. And I’m scared witless because I am not ready and I’m embarrased to face His Judgement.

          Mr ‘Dib knows full well not to try to sell me his side of the story. At a guess he’s probably already worked out that I’m a hopeless case and my future don’t look too bright (geddit?)

          Other than that I just got lots of words bottled up in side :lol: and thought I’d take the time to say. I do not like your tone Sir. :razz:

        • yes2truth

          Matt 15:14 (KJV) Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.

        • Mayhem

          Thank you for your counsel.

          However the prophetic warning (is that right?) gives me no idea how I can decide who is blind and who is not.

          What? Were you trying to tell me that I don’t have to think for myself and should just take your word for stuff? For me Mathew 15:14 tells me to seek truth and to turn away from blind guides. Not just the guides that you point the Good Book at.

          I’m trying to understand the words of God. I do not question His word except to further my knowledge. It’s less sinister than that might sound. I may be using the word question stupidly. I’m saying I try to see all sides, fail miserably, it helps me understand what is meant.

          I like that I am being encouraged to examine my beliefs.

        • yes2truth

          @ Middle-aged-Mayhem

          You will either recognise His voice through me or you will not – there is no half way house. I will not debate with you if you fail to agree.

          You will also see Dib for what he is. A man of The Circumcision – a Judaiser of the most foul and devious kind.

    • Pix

      “The Lord Jesus spoke these four words — “Behold, I come quickly!”

      2’000 years down the road and you’re still waiting, can’t be claimed as being ‘quick’, more like you’ve been stood up by an invented dark age fiction, plagiarised from Mithrasism. :lol:

    • yes2truth

      “I hear that, yes2truth

      “2 Cor 12:20 (KJV) For I fear, lest, when I come, I shall not find you such as I would, and that I shall be found unto you such as ye would not: lest there be debates, envyings, wraths, strifes, backbitings, whisperings, swellings, tumults:”

      Do you?”

      That’s why I never debate, as I have said elsewhere, The Truth cannot be debated. The Dib Dog can do nothing else and enjoys doing nothing else, because he is a stranger to The Truth. His only friend is the cold lifeless Law which keeps company with his heart of stone.

      • Paul Muad\\\'Dib

        Yes2”truth” wrote:

        “That’s why I never debate”

        See this link for an ample demonstration of the herculean SIZE of that lie:

        /prophecy/2012/11/the-evil-powers-of-female-angels-fallen-angels-enlarged-2443296.html

        No Crosby. I do not enjoy debating you. I would enjoy debating any man with honesty, integrity, character, and civility.

        There is nothing at all enjoyable about communicating with you.

        • yes2truth

          Then take a hike and do us all favour.

          Those circumcised Rabbis are still waiting in Tel Aviv to show you how they appreciate your efforts at blaspheming and trampling on Yashua Anointed’s sacrifice.

        • Paul Muad\\\'Dib

          You mock the covenant of circumcision and yesterday you said that Satanic things come from the Torah of YHWH.

          Anything else you would like to add to the list?

          I don’t mean to encourage you to speak to your own detriment, Crosby. You really should be more careful what you write. We are called to account for every idle word.

          Is there any prudence with you at all?

        • yes2truth

          You have either missed my earlier comment on the term ‘everlasting covenant’ or you deliberately chose not to answer it, because you have no answer.

        • Paul Muad\\\'Dib

          Don’t be ridiculous, Crosby. I missed nothing of the kind. I actually do read what you write.

          Your definition of EVERLASTING (H5769) and YHWH’s definition of EVERLASTING (H5769) are simply two contrary definitions in this case. And in the event that there was any question about which definition YHWH intended, the words of Messiah from Matthew 5:18 and from Luke 16:17 are more than adequate to eliminate any ambiguity. (At least for those of us who are following the rules of language, Mr. Crosby, rather than inventing rules as we see fit, according to what’s convenient to our argument.)

          Guess which definition I’ll be using to base my understanding of His word on; YHWH’s definition, or yours.

          Here’s a hint: Not yours.

      • Mayhem

        I’ll give it a go then, yes2truth, but excuse my ignorance of The Book.

        2 Cor 12:20 (KJV) What do I get from that? Here goes.

        When He gets back to set things right He will be very disappointed and we will realise we had it all wrong and don’t be bitching to Him about it.

        enlighten me.

        • Mayhem

          By the way.

          There’s just too many names for Him for my little brain. Which one is accepted to mean

          “Ya can’t top this. Boo Yah”?

          Else I run out of words trying to explain who I mean. For me He is that deep knowing that I can’t lie to. Sure it’s a leap of blind faith and can appear a little mad to many but it’s gotta be that way. It helps keep me in my place as I realise I’m about as significant as the fart gas of the blow fly on the horses rump.

          Whew! See what I mean about the words.?

        • Mayhem

          @yes2truth who said…

          “Then take a hike and do us all favour. Those circumcised Rabbis are still waiting in Tel Aviv to show you how they appreciate your efforts at blaspheming and trampling on Yashua Anointed’s sacrifice.”

          I’ve seen you sulk like this before Petal. :idea:

          Don’t even get me started on circumcision and Judaism (is that right?) one subject at a time if you will. :razz:

        • Mayhem

          What? Nothing!

          I either paraphrased that verse rough enough or failed completely and I asked your opinion on it. I try to do the courtesy.

          Sheesh not even my reckoning blind and faith in the same sentence? (Thanks to Beef Supreme)

          Not disappointed.

        • yes2truth

          Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch. Matt 15:14 (KJV)

        • Mayhem

          refer to my post above where I addressed your use of Mathew 15:14.

    • Mr A Hole - PHD, BSE, HN51, ADHD hons. DVT HIV

      well hurry up i dont want another cold pizza….

    • WatchmanOfEzekiel33

      Isaiah 8:20

      nuff said.

    • Blackie the faithful border collie

      Love the title. But seriously what girl would date a guy who only comes every two thousand years?

    • Mayhem

      Thanks to all involved. I appreciate this is discussed in society because I gauge a speakers motivation, if you will, by their tone. I look for agenda to provide reason to dismiss or accept what I am told.

      I’ll be doing plenty of homework but please excuse my ignorance as I might come out with the odd shocker. I do try to only look stupid where I can. I’m trying to catch up.

      My biggest problem in seeking Truth is my ability to read. I’ll chew a large novel over in 3 days and provide a fairly good synopsis. I don’t have to think as hard as I do when I study my Bible. I’m picking vanity blinds me.

      ps note no question marks. I’m just using some of my words up today and giving any who read this a glimpse of my struggle to find Truth.

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