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Is there an intermediate state after death or do we make an instantaneous journey through time to our appointed lot in the future? The Bible actually has a lot to say about this overlooked theme.
Time dilation in the Bible. 2 Peter 3:8 NASB But do not let this one fact escape your notice, beloved, that with the Lord one day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years like one day.
TIME DILATION Time does not run the same everywhere. Time runs slower near a mass or with speed. “In the theory of relativity, time dilation is an actual difference of elapsed time between two events as measured by observers either moving relative to each other or differently situated from gravitational masses.
An accurate clock at rest with respect to one observer may be measured to tick at a different rate when compared to a second observer’s own equally accurate clocks. This effect arises neither from technical aspects of the clocks nor from the fact that signals need time to propagate, but from the nature of spacetime itself.” Wikipedia
THE TWIN PARADOX “The Twin Paradox of Einstein is an interesting thought experiment involving two twins (who are nearly exactly the same age), one of whom sets out on a journey into space and back. Because of the time dilation effect of relativity, the twin who left experiences a slowing down of time and will actually be much younger than the twin that stayed behind.”
Time slows down exponentially with speed. Near the speed of light a thousand years for one twin would only be a day for the other.
INSTANTANEOUS EVENTS IN THE BIBLE There are examples in the Bible of events that seem to jump past time. When Jesus was walking on the sea, the disciples were terrified until they realized that it was the Lord. Now look what happens when he entered the ship: John 6:21 NASB So they were willing to receive Him into the boat, and immediately the boat was at the land to which they were going.
What is amazing is they were in the middle of the sea when Jesus entered the ship. Matthew 14:24 HNV But the boat was now in the middle of the sea, distressed by the waves, for the wind was contrary.
Other versions say they were far from land. NLT Meanwhile, the disciples were in trouble far away from land, for a strong wind had risen, and they were fighting heavy waves.
They skipped over the normal travel time and instantly arrived at the shore.
PHILIP AND THE ETHIOPIAN EUNUCH Philip was sent into the desert to take the Gospel to the Ethiopian Eunuch. The Eunuch received the Gospel and was baptized but then Philip suddenly disappeared and found himself further north. Acts 8:39&40 When they came up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord snatched Philip away. The eunuch never saw him again but went on his way rejoicing. Meanwhile, Philip found himself farther north at the town of Azotus. He preached the Good News there and in every town along the way until he came to Caesarea.
A TIME JOURNEY THROUGH THE ALL THE KINGDOMS OF THE WORLD  Luke 4:5 The devil led him up to a high place and showed him in an instant all the kingdoms of the world. 
DEATH AND TIME DILATION I decided to take my Bible, shut myself in my room, and study everything the Bible had to say about the Intermediate State. ( the state between death and resurrection ) I thought I would be in my room all day; I was only in there a few minutes. The Bible has almost nothing to say about the Intermediate State. Is this because there is no such state? Do we skip over time and go immediately to our appointed future lot? 
 There may be a way to shorten time distance through a worm hole in space time. If you put a mark at each end of standard print paper, the marks will be ten inches apart. You can reduce the space to zero by folding the paper and touching the two marks together. A worm hole in space does the same thing with time distance.
Is this what happens at death? Is this why dying people see some kind of light tunnel?
Consider this enigmatic scripture: 1 Corinthians 15: 51& 52 But let me reveal to you a wonderful secret. We will not all die, but we will all be transformed! It will happen in a moment, in the blink of an eye, when the last trumpet is blown. For when the trumpet sounds, those who have died will be raised to live forever. And we who are living will also be transformed.
Why would he say that the change is instantaneous when it happens? Is this what he is saying? Maybe he is saying we shall all be instantaneously transported to the last trump when we die. “At the last trump” is “eschatos”. Eschatos means  ”of space, the uttermost part.”
That is, everyone will skip over time and instantly arrive at the uttermost part of space-time.
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      • Mike Clinton

        What are you confused about?


      This topic keeps cropping up lately. Here are a few thoughts:

      1. The Witch of Endor (1 Samuel 28:3-25) shows us that the dead can be conjured. Under the orders of King Saul, the Witch conjures a dead Samuel the Prophet. Scripture is very clear that the entity conjured was in fact Samuel, and not some demonic impersonator. A demonic impersonator would NEVER have failed to seize upon the opportunity to deceive King Saul. Rather, Samuel was grouchy and just wanted to be left alone. It is very doubtful that the Witch conjured Samuel from oblivion, especially in light of the following passage.

      2. The Souls of Them That Were Slain for the WORD of YHWH. In Revelation 6:9-11 we are introduced to the souls of the members of the Body of Messiah who have been killed for their defense of the Word. Though they are dead, and have not yet been resurrected, they are very much conscious and are impatiently awaiting the conclusion of the age. The souls beg to know when the Vials of Wrath will be poured out on the Earth and the Grand Finale of the punishment of the wicked meted out. If there is no state of consciousness between physical death and resurrection, then these verses of Revelation and 1 Samuel are found to be untrue.

      • Mike Clinton

        I did not say that the dead are unconscious. They go instantly to the resurrection. We see the bodies go through time but the spirit ( like the twins in the paradox) does not go through time. To us the resurrection may take many years but to them it is instantaneous.

        The passage about Samuel is an anomaly. God did not normally allow this to happen. There is a verse that says Saul got the message from a familiar spirit. 1 Chronicles 10:13 “So Saul died for his transgression which he committed against the LORD, [even] against the word of the LORD, which he kept not, and also for asking [counsel] of [one that had] a familiar spirit, to enquire [of it];” The “of it” comes from the infinitive tense of the word “enquire”.
        Moses also appeared after his death. In some cases God could interrupt the normal passage of events and allow events like these for his own purpose.

        Revelation 6:9-11 You do not really believe that souls are under an alter and need clothes do you? Jesus does not really have a sword for a tongue does He? This is symbolic language. It is given to people in tribulation and shows that their deaths will be avenged. It is not to be taken literally.

        • BEEF SUPREME

          The Scriptures are clear that the entity conjured by the witch was Samuel, and not ‘the similitude thereof.’ Whether the witch had a familiar spirit is beside the point; Samuel was there.

          Peter was told by Messiah that he would have to put off the flesh:

          2 Peter 1:14

          “Knowing that shortly I must put off my tabernacle, even as our Master Yehoshua Messuah shewed me.”

          Putting off of the tabernacle is indicative of discarding a shell of clay. If something has been put OFF, it has previously been ON another thing. Does this ‘thing’ proceed directly to resurrection immediately upon separation from its tabernacle of clay?

          You have assumed that the cases of Moses and Samuel are the exceptions to the rule, rather than the rule. Why? On what verses of Scripture are you basing this presumption? Also, if the dead in Messiah are to be avenged, there are myriad other ways this sentiment could be communicated aside from brazenly stating that the dead in Messiah are anxiously awaiting to be avenged.

          Moses continues; Samuel continues; the dead in Messiah continue. This seems to be the message. The verses of Revelation even speak of time: “how long?” they ask.

          The paucity of information we are afforded on this topic makes speculation on the matter all but certain. But there is nothing I have found in Scripture which definitively indicates that resurrection follows immediately upon physical death, from the perspective of the deceased. The evidence which does exist all seems to point in another direction.

        • Mike Clinton

          2 Peter 1:14 I agree, Peter died.

          Moses and Samuel appeared after their deaths. Where they were or are is not stated. The Lord, before He was born somehow appeared in a body and ate with Abraham. How all this works, I do not know. It does not take away from what I wrote at all.

          Moses continues… Somehow I think you still have the idea of soul sleep. That is not what I wrote about.

          The paucity of information is what led me to study this. There is nothing about an intermediate state.

          If you will listen closely to Chuck Missler, you will hear him refer to this too.

        • BEEF SUPREME

          Why then have you assumed the perception of instantaneous ‘transfer’ from physical death to resurrection?

          What can we look to to give us a model of this scenario? Sleep and dream. I question whether a person is EVER fully unconscious when he is asleep. This is something I have been investigating now for several years. It ties in precisely with the question at issue. I contend that a person is in some state of dream existence (conscious or semi-conscious) for the entire time they are asleep. I test this hypothesis by instantly analyzing where I have just ‘been’ upon waking — even throughout the deepest portions of the night. Whenever I have remembered to conduct this test (perhaps a hundred times or so over several years now) I am always cognizant of having just been somewhere doing something. Never have I experienced a sense of oblivion. The sense of oblivion comes later, after the dreams and their specifics become harder to recall, or are forgotten entirely.


          1 Thessalonians 4:14

          “…even so them also which sleep in Yehoshua will God bring with Him…”

          This verse seems to rule out immediate transfer from physical death to resurrection. The dead in Messiah are ‘brought with’ on His way to Earth before the dead in Messiah are raised, prior to the ‘harpazo.’

        • Mike Clinton

          Are those “which sleep in Jesus” in vs. 14 the same as “the dead in Christ” in vs. 16?

        • BEEF SUPREME

          I believe they are. How say you?

          If the graves are to be opened, and ‘thanatos’ and ‘hades’ give up the dead that are in them, then these verses seem to be describing a THEY which is brought down to Earth to inhabit the formed spiritual/physical bodies of the newly resurrected.

        • Mike Clinton

          If they are the same then what you wrote here does not make sense:
          “The dead in Messiah are ‘brought with’ on His way to Earth before the dead in Messiah are raised, prior to the ‘harpazo.’”

          The rest of your question does not contradict what I wrote.

        • BEEF SUPREME

          I am suggesting a distinction between the ruach and the nephesh. Not too much of a strech. I suggest that the nephesh remains on Earth, and is placed into a grave (or not) at the time of physical death. 1 Thessalonians 4:14 clearly states that the dead in Messiah will be brought WITH Him. He comes from Heaven to Earth. The bodies (the nephesh) lie as dust in the grave as Messiah brings the spirits (ruachim) with Him on His trip from Heaven to Earth. The resurrection takes place as the bodies are restored and re-united with the spirit which animates them.

          I see a distinction here. If THEY are with Him before the resurrection takes place, how else could this verse be understood. It is possible that THEY were not with Him until after the resurrection, but I do not get that sense from the verse. If they are the dead in Messiah, then they have not yet been resurrected. The resurrected are not the dead. BUT – those which ‘sleep in Messiah’ are to be united with the bodies of those who are ‘dead in Messiah’ — which were always their own bodies. The asleep and the dead are two pieces of the whole, prior to their spiritual/physical resurrection when they become one with their new temples, which are like Messiah’s Raised Temple.

          Did anyone follow me on that?

        • Mike Clinton

          W.E. Vine, the great Greek scholar, says that sleep always refers to the body and that in this passage ” the body alone is in view in this metaphor.” In fact the term “cemetery” comes from Greek κοιμητήριον, and means “sleeping place” So it seems you have it backwards my friend.

          The New Testament Greek terms are, pneuma for spirit, and sōma for body, in this passage.

        • BEEF SUPREME

          “So it seems you have it backwards my friend.”

          Wouldn’t be the first time. Too bad these little pieces are scattered throughout both testaments making a nice, neat fit for either case unlikely.

          On a personal level, I have reasons for believing that consciousness continues after physical death, prior to resurrection. I can find nothing in Scripture which flatly refutes this concept. Conversely, while Scripture seems to me to hint at confirmation of the concept, there isn’t enough to make a very convincing argument one way or the other. As always, there’s a message in that.

          I’m looking forward to a topic where you and I can really drag out the big guns and hammer out the fabric of Scripture, but I don’t see this as being the one.

          I think we’re on the same page on ‘rapture doctrine’ now. Something worth while will pop up.

          That said, if I learned unequivocally that the experiencer of physical death goes right to his resurrection (from his perspective) after death; I would be surprised, but I would not be flabbergasted.


        • BEEF SUPREME

          Yes. That’s me.

          I have a spare account for harassing yes2truth and amusing myself.

          Forgot to turn him off.

          Probably a message in THAT too.


          Ezekiel 1:6 And every one had four faces and four wings

          Revelation 1:13 Christ clothed in garment down to his feet

          Rev. 1:16 Christ has seven stars in his right hand and out of his mouth came a sharp two edged sword.

          NONE OF THE FOREGOING is symbolism, but real. Christ changed formed during the Transfiguration and the image of Christ that Christ showed to John was REAL. So go screw yourself you lying moron Pharisee Christian.

          Matthew 27:52 and the bodies of the saints WHICH SLEPT arose from their graves, you freaking moron Pharisee Christian Clinton. Dope, enjoy yourself on earth deceiving people, you will be among the many Pharisee Christians who Christ will say I NEVER KNEW YOU, and off to Hell go the Pharisee Christians who are also bible idolators (Matthew 7:22-23).

      • Mike Clinton

        Beef, do you remember the titles you have seen on this subject? I did a search and could not find any.

        • BEEF SUPREME

          I have an ongoing argument with yes2truth at the moment which treats of this subject matter, but it has devolved into foolishness I am afraid and there is little worth while commentary in and amongst the many repetitious comments. I don’t recommend wasting time with thread, but it is under his article entitled “Is The Apostle John Still Alive?.” You can find the article at the page ‘yes2truth bio.’ I would post the link but Internet Exploder is down and I can’t access my bookmarked files for the URL.

          Then there is another site I am growing distant with called Profound Prophecy. I post there under the name Jean Valjean. This topic has been the focus of much attention there lately.

    • Pix

      Mangled science trying justify dark age plagiarised ancient astronomical allegory. While amusing to read, it’s meaningless speculation.


    • Mike Clinton

      The subject of this article, as I explained, came from the realization that the Bible has nothing to say about the time between death and the resurrection. As my articles have shown, I believe that God has left truths for us in His Word that could not be understood until now. The writers did not understand what they were writing about. I gave three examples of what appear to be jumps over time in the Bible. Why are they recorded for us?

      Let’s take one of them and consider the meaning. Jesus comes walking on the sea to a group of his disciples that are in sever distress. They are in the middle of the sea. When the Lord enters the ship it suddenly goes from the middle of the sea to the shore – instantly. Again, why is this recorded for us? Does it not show that when we come into the presents of the Lord, time and distance have no meaning? To be present with the Lord is to be instantly at our desired destination.

      There are many profound truths in the Bible that I hope to write about. I cannot wait until I can post the profound meaning of Hebrews 11:3 By faith we understand that the worlds have been framed by the word of God, so that what is seen hath not been made out of things which appear. The whole field of Quantum Mechanics could not have been summed up more concisely and eloquently.

    • Anonymous

      youre a class a wuckfit

    • am123

      Just to add my 2 cents on this interesting subject, I think it is important to point out that time is a function of the created universe and God created the universe, so God is outside of time. His name is I AM, not I WAS, or I WILL BE. So I believe that the past, present, and future is all NOW to God. Perhaps time can be thought of as a flowing river and God can see the whole river, from beginning to end.

      “Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done…”
      —Isaiah 46:10

      I think the instantaneous translation events described are spiritual events that manifest in the physical world. In the spirit world, things are not constrained by the physical laws of the universe. They operate outside the natural laws, hence the supernatural.

      A quick point about spirits:

      A person’s spirit is not bound by or connected to the physical body. Case in point: Elisha in his spirit was able to observe what his servant Gehazi did even though Elisha wasn’t physically present in chapter 5 of 2 Kings.

      • Mike Clinton

        @am123 Interesting thoughts. Eternity is actually made up of segments of time, according to the Bible. Does time exist in the spirit world? I don’t see how time could not exist even in the spirit world. Anything that is not all at once happens in time. “Time is God’s way of keeping everything from happening at once.” Here is my definition of time: “time is the awareness of a space/delay between events”. The Bible never says that time will cease to exist. We have to go through time at the rate determined by God. He is not bound by the same time frame.

        Here is another thought. We are in eternity now. We watch time flow from the future, into the present, and then, into the past; but we are always in the present.

        • am123

          You might find this of interest. In the book “The Spiritual World” by Pastor Peter Tan, you will find a discussion of this very topic of time, etc. in the spirit world. Click the Download PDF button on the left side of this screen (under image of book cover):

          A discussion very much related to this topic begins in the section entitlted “Limits of Revelation, Creation and Mysteries of the Spiritual World” on page 44 of the PDF (pg. 42 of the printed page).

        • Mike Clinton

          I looked it over and it looks interesting. His style reminds me of Watchman Nee. Thanks for the link.

        • am123

          You’re welcome Mike. Yes, Watchman Nee is a good comparison.


          Go screw yourself evil man Pharisee Christians. You are a freaking dope bible idolator.

          Bibles are NOT all the word of God, for in all four bibles are 21 writings of Pharisees in the New Testament section. The four bibles are Catholic, Orthodox, Ethiopian and Protestant and they vary as to number of writings. Only Matthew and John are writings of men of God in NT section.

          Clinton, you freaking moron Pharisee Christian – Revelation 10:5-6 “And angel … lifted up his hand to heaven .. there should be TIME NO LONGER.” You freaking dope bible idolator!


        • Mike Clinton

          @ Pharisees.gag

          Rev. 10:6 NKJV …there should be delay no longer,
          NLT There will be no more delay.
          NIV There will be no more delay!
          ESV there would be no more delay,
          NASB that there will be delay no longer,
          RSV there should be no more delay,
          ASV that there shall be delay no longer:
          DBY there should be no longer delay;
          HNV there will no longer be delay,

        • am123

          With great irony, the appropriately named Pharisees calls other Christians on this site morons and yet, he forgets to include in his quote verse 7, which gives the context showing verse 6 is in no way talking about time ceasing. But perhaps he is blinded by his anti-Paul zeal.


        am123 wrote:

        “His name is I AM, not I WAS, or I WILL BE.”

        But this is precisely the sense communicated in the Hebrew ‘EHYEH ASHER EHYEH.” In addition to the sense of ‘I AM THAT I AM’ the phrase also carries with it several additional meanings, such as:

        I will be that which I will become
        I am that which I am becoming.

        And consider the manner in which He is described in the Book of Revelation:

        Him which IS, and which WAS, and which IS TO COME

        • am123

          No argument there BEEF. The living creatures forever are singing “Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come.”

          And just to take this off on a tangent, I love the explanation of the four living creatures given by Sir Isaac Newton:

          “For the Trumpets every day sounded thrice: first at the opening of the gates of the Temple, then at the morning, and lastly at the evening sacrifice.

          And the four Beasts had each of them six wings about him & they were full of eyes within & they rest not day & night saying Holy, holy, holy Lord God almighty which was & is & is to come. Whence I gather these Beasts are the same with the Seraphins which appeared to Isaiah[15] in a vision like this of the Apocalyps. For there also the Lord sate on a throne in the Temple & the Seraphins each with six wings cryed holy, holy, holy Lord of hosts. So then they are noble enough to represent the four quarters of the Church. They have each of them six wings, that is in all four & twenty And these are the four & twenty stations of the people of Israel answering the four and twenty courses of the Priests. For f[16] because the morning & evening sacrifices were offered for all the people & they whose sacrifices were offered were obliged to be present in the temple, the people had their representatives distinguished into four & twenty stations or courses to attend each their week in order & each station had its President calld the President of the station. Further to signify that these Beasts have internall intellectual eyes tis said that they have eyes within, that is in their bodies under their wings. / And they rest not day & night [that is morning & evening at the sacrifices,] saying Holy, holy, holy Lord God almighty. And when they give glory to him that sitteth upon the throne the four & twenty elders fall down & worship him. At the morning & evening sacrifices so soon as the sacrifice was laid upon the Altar, & the drink offering began to be poured out the trumpets sounded & the Levites sang by courses three times, & every time the trumpets sounded the a[17] people fell down & worshiped. Three times therefore did the people worship; to express which number the Beasts cry holy, holy, holy; & the song being ended the people prayed standing till the solemnity was ended. In the meane time the [18] Priests went into the Temple & there fell down before him that sat on the Throne & worshipped.”

        • J. Beiswenger

          After a very lengthy study of the various translations, including studying the original Hebrew, I have to conclude, the correct translation – a perfect description of God himself – is, “I AM Who AM,” and the meaning, “I am the only one who simply is.” In my non-fiiction (I’m the author of a series of Christian Sci-Fi novels), The Truly Astonishing Hypothesis, I talk about three states of existence and place God in the Concurrent State. I am impressed with am123′s thoughts on the subject.

        • am123

          Thank you sir for your kind words. And I am impressed by your humility, which, undoubtedly, is a major factor in your success:

          “And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted.”

          —Matthew 23:12


      DO NOT SUFFER FOOLS, call it like it is all of you who follow Christ and reject the false apostle Paul. No one who follows Pharisee Paul is of Christ. The followers of the false apostle are workers of iniquity and Christ speaks of them in Matthew 7:22-23. Knowing that the Pharisee Christian fools even argue with Christ in Heaven, do not expect that they will ever understand those on earth who tell them they are going to Hell for following the doctrine of a Pharisee, as Christ says converts to a doctrine of Pharisees (or scribes) are CHILDREN OF HELL, Matthew 23:15. The false apostle Paul is a PHARISEE and so is his dad (Acts 23:6), generational men of Hell!



      Revelation 10:6 does NOT say that time shall be delayed, but TIME NO MORE. See GENESIS 1:14 the lights in space are for signs, seasons, days and years. In other words, TIME.

      Further, A NEW heaven and a new earth (Rev. 21)

      Rev. 21:23 NO sun or moon, but the glory of God lights everything

      Rev. 22:25 There will be NO night

      Now when everything is light and there is no more sun moon or stars then there is no more TIME, just as the angel in Rev. 10:6 states that shall be NO MORE TIME. As Genesis 1:14 states the function of the lights, (stars, sun and moon) is to show TIME, days and years! So absent stars, sun and moon there is NO MORE TIME.

      Rev. 10:6-7 And the angel [said] …there shall be NO MORE TIME. In the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God shall be finished.” It is not no more delay in time, as claimed by moron Clinton, for God delays NOT ANYTHING! Judgment unto unto victory begins when the last person is killed for giving testimony of Christ that completes the number of those to be killed (Rev. 6:10-11).

      In light of passages such as Genesis 1:14, Rev. 21:23, 22:25 and Rev. 6:10-11, the CORRECT translation of Rev. 10:6 is NOT no more delay, but NO MORE TIME.

      Clinton is a freaking moron scumbag Pharisee Christian, yeah like there is going to be clocks in heaven, freaking idiot. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

      The dope Clinton ALSO forgot to mention that he is WRONG on saints going immediately to resurrection upon death, as proven wrong by the writing in Matthew 27:52 where Christ says the saints that SLEPT arose from their graves. Clinton is a idiot, but then Pharisee Christians are all screwed up morons.


      Time no longer is not an immediate occurrence upon the saying of the Angel in Rev. 10:6, but comes after the new heaven and new earth in Rev. 22. Time is not done away with until the new heaven and new earth. The old heaven and new earth DO NOT burn away with fervent heat as claimed in Pharisee writing forged under Peter’s name. The old heaven and earth are said to merely pass away (Rev. 21:1).

      Rev. 21:6 IT IS DONE.

      Not until the new heaven and earth is all done.

      Rev. 22:2 does state that there is a tree that yields twelve different kinds of fruit, that changes each month and that is the only resemblance to former time which was made known by sun, stars and moon.

      Rev. 22:12 Christ says he comes quickly. There is no delay, making incorrect the translation of Rev. 10:6 as meaning a delay in time. There is no delay but rather a waiting for an occurrence (Rev. 6:10-11) before God begins his judgment that ends with the return of Christ to reign on earth.

    • am123

      Pharisees said:

      “In light of passages such as Genesis 1:14, Rev. 21:23, 22:25 and Rev. 6:10-11, the CORRECT translation of Rev. 10:6 is NOT no more delay, but NO MORE TIME.”

      Clearly, it IS speaking of a delay in time, as in there will no more delay in fulfilling the prophetic scriptures:

      5 And the angel which I saw stand upon the sea and upon the earth lifted up his hand to heaven,
      6 And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer:
      7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

      —Revelation 10:5-7

      Pharisees also said:

      “Time is not done away with until the new heaven and new earth.”

      While it is true there will be no more night in the New Jerusalem, TIME IS NOT DONE AWAY WITH after the new heavens and new earth. Ezekiel’s temple is part of the new earth, as you can see by tying together REV. 22:2, which speaks of the tree of life yielding fruit every month, and Ezekiel 47:12, which speaks of the same tree of life. And in Ezekiel’s temple, there are still Sabbaths, New Moons, and feasts (see Ezekiel 45:17; see also Isaiah 66:23). The feasts are held on specific days of specific months (see Ezekiel 45:21, 45:25).

    • J. Beiswenger

      This is an excellent article by Michael Clinton. I am the author of the Truly Astonishing Hypothesis ( which offers an explanation to the questions Michael raises. His article has taught me a lot on the very subject I write on. Thank you.

      • Mike Clinton

        Thank you very much for your encouraging words. I will look over your book. I can borrow it from Amazon because I have a prime membership with them. I see you have quite a few articles on your website. I encourage the readers to check it out. Check out his biography too.

    • William - Gates of the City

      This is amazing, I have reasoned this concept with other people for years and have never heard it from anywhere else.

      Nicely done.


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