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Pope Francis Consecrates the World to Our Lady of the Fatima Flying Saucer!

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Pope Francis consecrated the world to the immaculate heart of our lady of the Fatima flying saucer on October 13th, 2013. You might balk, “our lady of the Fatima flying saucer”? Indeed, that is the most accurate description of the events that inspired the Fatima legend. The Miracle of the Sun was an Unidentified Aerial Phenomenon (UAP) witnessed on October 13, 1917, by up to one hundred thousand people gathered near Fátima, Portugal. Several newspaper reporters in attendance recorded testimony from people who claimed to have witnessed an extraordinary aerial phenomenon in which a silvery disc flew about the sky. Of course, this was long before the term “flying saucer” was coined, and many thought the disc was the sun. Also, because it had been raining and the clouds broke just as the phenomenon occurred, many believed it was a solar miracle. However, if the sun had actually moved in the described manner, the gravitational effects would have devastated the Earth. Even so, the sighting was officially declared a miracle by the Roman Catholic Church in 1930. Here’s a newspaper from 1917:

Witnesses described a silver disk or gray globe, a common description was “I saw a silvery blue disk.” Sounding much like a modern flying saucer before the term was coined. Examples include, J. Quaresma, who described its appearance on September 13, 1917, as follows:

To my surprise, I see clearly and distinctly a globe of light advancing from east to west, gliding slowly and majestically through the air…Suddenly the globe with its extraordinary light vanished, but near us a little girl of about ten con- tinues to cry joyfully: ‘I still see it! I still see it! Now it is going down!’[1]

On the 13th of October, 1917, Dr. Joseph Garrett, Professor of Natural Sciences at Coimbra University:

The sun’s disc did not remain immobile. This was not the sparkling of a heavenly body, for it spun round on itself in a mad whirl, when suddenly a clamour was heard from all the people. The sun, whirling, seemed to loosen itself from the firmament and advance threateningly upon the earth as if to crush us with its huge fiery weight. The sensation during those moments was terrible.[2]

Rev. Joaquim Lourenco, a canon lawyer of the diocese of Leira, described what he saw as a young boy in a small town nine miles from Fatima:

I feel incapable of describing what I saw, I looked fixedly at the sun, which seemed pale and did not hurt my eyes. Looking like a ball of snow, revolving on itself, it suddenly seemed to come down in a zig-zag, menacing the earth. Terrified, I ran and hid myself among the people, who were weeping and expecting the end of the world at any moment.[3]

As a result, many scholars are now categorizing Fátima as a mass UFO sighting. A Portuguese scholar, Joaquim Fernandes, professor of history at the Universidade Fernando Pessoa, assembled an international panel to subject the Fátima apparitions to the scrutiny of modern scientific analysis. In Fátima Revisited (2008), Jacques Vallée and Eric Davis discuss the psycho-spiritual nature of the UFO phenomenon and assert Fátima as a representative case:

As one example among many, it will be recalled that the events at Fátima involved luminous phenomena, atmospheric and thermal effects, and descriptions of an apparently metallic disk in the sky, while many of the 70,000 witnesses also experienced spiritual and psychological effects. The main percipients reported psychic states conducive to a form of extrasensory communication with a non-human Being assumed to be the Virgin Mary.[4]

The Pope’s consecration is blatant idolatry as nothing in scripture supports the marian dogmas. Perhaps the clearest evidence that the Catholic view of Mary is legendary rather than historical is how the Marian mythology has evolved over time. Whereas the doctrine of Christ has remained stable since the early creeds, Marian dogma continues to evolve: 1) in 431, she was called the “Mother of God”; 2) by 600, prayers were officially offered to Mary; 3) in 649, Pope Martin I stressed the perpetual nature of Mary’s virginity declaring her the “blessed ever-virginal and immaculate Mary”; 4) in 1854 came the dogmatic assertion of the Immaculate Conception (that she was born sinless); 5) in 1950, we have the Assumption of Mary (her body was taken to heaven); 6) as recently as 1965, she was proclaimed “Mother of the Church”; 7) currently there is an earnest campaign to proclaim Mary as “Co-Redemptrix Mediatrix of All Graces” and “Advocate for the People of God.”   But the events that made Fatima famous in the 20th century sound more like a mass UFO sighting than anything to do with the mother of Jesus. In my book Exo-Vaticana with co-author Thomas Horn, we unpack Fatima as well as Rome’s documented longterm interest in the ET question.

 

 


[1] Richard L. Thompson, Alien Identities: Ancient Insights Into Modern Ufo Phenomena, 2 Revised ed. (Govardhan Hill Pub, 1995), http://www.mt.net/~watcher/october13maryfatima.html

[2] Ibid.

[3] Ibid.

[4] Jacques F. Vallée and Eric W. Davis, “Incommensurability, Orthodoxy, and the Physics of High Strangeness — A 6-Layer Model For Anomalous Phenomena” in Fátima Revisited: The Apparition Phenomenon in Ufology, Psychology, and Science Kindle Edition ed. Fernando Fernandes (Anomalist Books 2010), Kindle locations 5568-5571. Co-edited by Joaquim Fernandes and Raul Berenguel



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    • Stēkō

      Anti-Christ: Son of perdition;
      I am opting out of your recient global declaration of dedication to a woman who does not represent a way, a truth, or a life , nor the ONLY way to the Father, that being Jesus Christ, my Lord and Savior.
      Please don’t not begin to presume this world is all yours once again, and this time we who are in Christ Jesus in Spirit and truth will at a point become fully immune by God from your demonic inquisitions. God has always had His faithful remnant, and there is nothing you can do about it.

      God bless, by cause.

      Stēkō Parrēsia Iesōuse

    • JustAComment

      Well, you know how it is with Catholics. It’s not over until the Fatima lady sings.

      • Louis

        Of all the stupid things people can do, insulting God’s Holy Mother is the stupidest.

        St. Mary is the Daughter of the Father, the Mother of the Son, and the Spouse of the Holy Spirit, which makes Her the Perfect Adorer of the Blessed Trinity and the absolute masterpiece of God’s creative genius.

        All the resources of Heaven are granted by God to to St. Mary to preside over as Her Immaculate Heart sees fit.

        There is only one true Christ: Jesus Christ, Son of St. Mary. All other “christs” are false.

        .

        • Mark

          You sound like you’re a Catholic. I am a former Catholic, and I can tell you that if you believe Mary is the mother of god, then you are a pagan, not a Christian. The Mary of the Bible was the mother of Jesus,not the mother of God. If you say she’s a mother of God, you discredit God and say that Mary existed before God. The Bible even teaches that the pagans worshiped a pagan goddess referenced as the queen of heaven. What does the Catholic Church call Mary? They gave her the title of “Queen of Heaven”.

          You are right about Jesus being the one true Christ. So believe only in Jesus and leave the anti-christ church behind.

        • tsnody2001

          What blasphemy!

        • asterflower

          I have never heard of Mary as the spouse of The Holy Spirit.

        • coldcomfort

          This is a most excellent post! Everything you said are doctrines of the Catholic Faith which everyone must believe in order to save themselves from Hell. God bless you for your defense of the Faith.

          And for Mark, you poor foolish man. You have left the one true Church and embraced a horrible heresy which attempts to divide the Divine and human nature of Our Lord, Jesus Christ. This was an old heresy and condemned ages ago. How can you fall for that old canard?

          May the Holy Mother of God forgive you your blasphemy and give you the grace, all graces are Hers to distribute, to return to the Faith of your ancestors.

        • Anonymous

          None other than King Jesus and Him alone!

    • Anon

      I read Exo-Vaticana and I found it fantastic!! It explained so many things. It brought all these odd out lying ideas and phenomenon together and made sense out of confusing issues. Thank you Mr. Putnam and thank Mr. Horn. And Thank You Jesus for inspiring them!!

      • coldcomfort

        Aliens are simply devils. In recorded history you can read of things happening to monks in their monasteries which are similar to “alien” abductions and visitations. And why, if they are not demons, do they react so strongly to holy things such as crucifixes, holy water, scapulars, rosaries, holy pictures and the like? There are cases in which holy water can actually make them disappear immediately. Even old investigators of alien phenomena have come to the conclusion that they are demonic. In the Bible it says that our fight is not against flesh and blood but powers and principalities. That refers to the fallen angels.
        Mr. Horn is a charlatan and he is aptly named. He looks very much like the devil that he serves. God, in his goodness, shows signs for those who have eyes to see.

    • The Marian Catechist

      What an ignorant posting!

      Aliens don’t exist.

      The Miracle of the Sun is exactly that: a miracle. No cosmic phenomena can dry up miles of ankle-deep mud AND 70,000 drenched people without INCINERATING everyone! It would take way too much energy. So naturally, the only recourse unbelievers have when they cannot disprove a miracle is simply to attribute it to aliens.

      How utterly debased. God will not stand for His Holy Mother to mocked. Repent.

      • JustAComment

        2 Timothy 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

      • Louis

        The Miracle of the Sun at Fatima, which occurred at a little past noon on October 13, 1917, was announced beforehand by the Holy Virgin. The 100th anniversary of the Miracle of the Sun will be arriving on Friday the 13th, October, 2017 — only four years from now.

        Our sun is presently acting weird and schizophrenic. Will there be another Miracle of the Sun in October, 2017?

        In 1917, the Blessed Virgin appeared six times, on the 13th day of six consecutive months. At Fatima, St. Mary promised that She would someday return to Fatima for a seventh visit, but not with flying saucers.

        She will be appearing alongside Her Divine Son, Jesus Christ, accompanied by myriads of angels, wielding swords of plasma lightning, which they will use to purify the earth of all physical and spiritual contaminants — in order to usher in the “holy age” promised by Scripture.

      • Truthseeker

        mary’s slave

        can you point out the scripture that tells us to worship a physical flesh and blood human?

        I do not ever read the catholic version of God’s Word but in the KJV in Jeremiah 44:11
        Jeremiah talks about your mary.

        • College Prof

          Truthseeker, can you point out the statement in either Mary’s servant’s post, OR in Catholic teaching in general, that says “Catholics worship Mary”? I didn’t think so. If we did “worship a physical flesh and blood human” (besides Jesus, of course), I would’ve noticed back when I was about three years old, and like every other Catholic, I would’ve objected.

        • Truthseeker

          collegeprof,

          I pulled this from below, if this is not worship, what is it? I have seen bill boards claiming she is queen of heaven. marys slave says mary chose the new pope, on and on.
          Mary was human and as the Bible says dust to dust. She as all humans do she died and turn to dust..

          TruthBeTold

          BIN, you have no idea what you are talking about!!!

          Our Lord’s Blessed Mother appeared in Fatima, Portugal from May 13, 1917 to October 13, 1917, on the 13th of each month during that time period giving 3 peasant children messages from God on chastisements, tribulations, miracles and peace. We are living in those times, and have lived in them since 1917. She foretold of things to come, and gave instruction to us all regarding prayer, fasting, repentance and conversion. Because she knew humans want proof of everything, and that these children would be scrutinized immensely, she prophesied that she would give a miracle of the sun, which she did do! The sun and the sky turned beautiful colors, the sun danced in the sky (NOT MARY—NOT A FLYING SAUCER)! It was raining terribly and muddy ground, and as a result of this Miracle of the Sun, everyone’s clothes immediately dried and the ground as well.

          This false report you have published is based on lies and comes primarily from the heretical Protestants, Steve Quayle and Tom Horn, and others, who proselytize about the “left behind series”.

          It always amazes me how Protestants, who don’t even believe the Mother of God deserves any merit or honor at all as Jesus’ Blessed Mother, claim to be authorities on Catholic prophecies and their visionaries. Protestants can’t stand Mary, give her no mention or place of honor, and condemn her every chance they get. Yet they completely disregard even Christ’s devotion to His Own Mother, WHO WAS SINLESS & HAS BEEN PRESERVED FROM SIN SINCE HER IMMACULATE CONCEPTION SO THAT SHE COULD BE THE VESSEL BY WHICH CHRIST CAME TO EARTH TO REDEEM US FROM OUR SINS!

          I suggest all naysayers take a comprehensive course on Marian prophecy and apparitions, and cease acting like know-it-alls, printing all sorts of heresies against Christ’s Mother and His Mission which He allows also through His Mother.

          If God allows humans to prophesy and evangelize the world, why would He prohibit His own Mother from doing so? Your ignorance is showing.

        • Truthseeker

          collegeprof

          One more point; you are aware many if not most catholics pray to mary and other what they call saints which were, when alive, humans.

          what is the rosary that is repeated by now 100 billion time to mary?? That is not worship? Why do you all pray to humans? Jesus Christ taught the Disciples to pray to our Father in heaven, not some sweaty sinful human that came from dust.

      • coldcomfort

        Excellent post, Servus Mariae! Thank God there are people like you still in the world who are clear sighted and devout Catholics!

    • JustDave

      :roll: :roll:

      • Omerta

        You’re supposed to do three of these, not two. I can not understand only two, please clarify.

    • Болеслава

      BVM “… I will be used as a figurehead of the Church to distract people from the true intentions of this wicked group. In order to convince God’s children that they remain loyal to the true Word of God and the traditions of the Catholic Church, they will create ceremonies, which they will say honour me. They will use the prophecies of Fatima to desecrate my image, by presenting a great deceit to the world. They will use me in order to defile my Son’s Church and everything they will do will be backwards, in accordance with the demands of the evil one…..”

      /prophecy/2013/08/the-mother-of-god-will-be-used-to-hide-the-true-intent-of-the-forces-which-have-entered-the-catholic-church-2453068.html

      thewarningsecondcoming.com

    • Болеслава

      link
      He will use the Truth of God to hide behind, until the right moment

    • LorieK

      Here’s some additional info on the subject I put on my site years ago, 1998 to be exact. It’s interesting. Also, remember Ratzinger, the former Pope aka Grand Inquisitor, has read the 3rd secret. http://seektress.com/fatimufo.htm

      And some generic Fatima stuff here http://seektress.com/fatima1.htm

      Fascinating event.

    • Neo

      The key word in the quote from Jaques Vallee is ASSUMED. 1 John 4:1 “Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits, whether they be of God…” Having failed to discern the spirits according to scripture, people are often deceived.

    • Raphael

      The best pope Francis could do is
      *to declare to the world (not only to Christians) the existence of extraterrestrials, since Bible times (Ezekiel 1, Elijah chariot etc etc).
      *To announce to the world the true texts of Fatima secrets that might include ET warnings (or OL warnings) of incoming cataclysm in which “millions will die from one moment to another” (JP2 about Fatima secret said before German bishops in Fulda).
      **To bless exodus for humankind, be it thru ET spaceships, underground bases, stargates, or any other means, and to assure the Christians do not make sin if they board extraterrestrial vehicle to save their lives and that of their loved ones. Otherwise, many would perish because they would’ve think that’s “demonic”, fueled by unscrupulous pastors who see their last chance of influence and who preach end times antichrist etc.

      If it is not done, I don’t see the Christianity in its current organized form in the post-cataclysm era. There will be Christians saved who were non fanatic and listened to their inner voice. Perhaps they will return to the roots of Christ’s teaching. Especially if Extraterrestrials have recorded the missing words of Jesus from the Gospels. If the churches (far not only the catholic) are incapable to lead the people thru “the Red Sea” they will not make it thru either.

    • Raphael

      with all my respect, Chris, for your work on Exo-Vaticana and Petrus Romanus, let me kindly notice that you do not encompass the knowledge of all kinds extraterrestrials. There are good ones as well. There are millions of star systems and to assume otherwise would be illogical in first place.

      In a position to choose between continuation of humanity or die as “martyr” on a fiery earth, I would choose the first one and would board the ship even if it is not exactly “angelic”.

    • Raphael

      What exact kind(s) of extraterrestrials contact(ed) the Vatican, is a crucial issue of course. There are all kind of views, including those of Kerry of Camelot that assume the worst ET to be connected to the Vatican. Still, there are other views as those of Robert Dean, Clifford Stone, and Andrew Basiago who do not view the picture in those same dark colors. I am sorry can’t give the links in the comment (google them) their interviews with Camelot are a must see for everyone researcher on the topic. Bob Dean claims all popes were informed since Eisenhower meeting with ET in California. Bob and Clifford Stone say they have seen the Crucifixion of Jesus thru a device called Looking glass (kind of static stargate).

      I’d expect the answers of these questions from the source. If pope Francis doesn’t know them yet, surely someone in the Vatican knows them quite well. Let they step forward and say it before it is too late. Not after the “killshot” of the sun, as another insider major Ed Dames predicts. If we will count on Putin to save the Christendom and more in his underground cities and assure transport to nearby star systems, then we are not talking anymore of any leading position of the Catholic church in the aftermath. The West will be nearly destroyed as civilization. I assume the Chinese, Indians and Arabs wouldn’t count on the “Christians” to save them at all, rather they have their own connections to other ET intelligences and will use other routes of escape. China already built up demonstratively a 100m high stargate named Ring of life.

    • Raphael

      Many comments, sorry, I realized this is the author of Exo Vaticana on my second comment. Glad to share with you, and thanks for your great books! Doesn’t mean I agree even 50% :lol:

      Theoretically, if the Catholic hierarchy doesn’t find strength to acknowledge the ET life, and the doom event passes without so many catholic bishops saved…Then the Christian church may continue with other Apostolic successions that are the Eastern churches. There are some who trace back to Peter, as Antioch patriarchs, and to Mark the disciple of Peter, Alexandria. So the unwillingness of the Vatican to baptize extraterrestrials may surprisingly give fresh start to one of the more preserved ancient churches of the East who pretend they have unchanged traditions since the first centuries.

      On the contrary, a public blessing of only the GOOD ET by the pope will make the Catholic church galactic.

      IF Putin is the main political figure offering underground bases and ET fleets, then it is possible the Russian orthodox church to be the first galactic church. I thought it would be Obama.

      Actually the decisions of God are unfathomable. The Byzantium church in Constantinople was one of the most influential in her time. Eastern Roman empire outlived the Western with some 1000 years.

      Or some small nation and church such as the Armenian, the first nation to accept Christianity.

      Who will baptize the Pleiadians if they need baptism? Insiders speak of billions of population over there. 23 Billions on the 5 planets of Procyon.

      What antichrist? There isn’t fulfilment of Jesus’ words “spread the gospel to the entire Universe”.

    • Raphael

      Russia is the key player in Fatima prophecy that is still locked for general public. Pope Francis already knows it. What more does it contain that is not suitable to be said? SOmething like: Russia will provide the ET link and may be will save humanity from solar/asteroid whatever doom? Let call the spide spide. WW3 although terrible is no more actual than other topics. The ET is the only major topic not discussed publicly yet.

      The pope cannot bless evil ET for whom it is known they are evil. As Draconians. Here I strongly disagree with Camelot’s Kerry and a number of “youtube videos” who paint the Jesuits darker than the devil. They have no proof.

      If the pope blesses or baptizes ET who are known to be evil, the patriarchs easily will send anathemas (as in 11 century) and will call him whatever. But it won’t happen. Instead, the first who dares to call the good ET brothers in Christ capable of receiving the gift of faith and promise of future resurrection, will make his church galactic at once. He will add a number of new planets and followers with unimaginable technical capabilities to spread the Gospel of Jesus even further. Of course that might be not only one church on Earth. The Russian patriarch in interview for Russian TV already said that while he denounces the UFOs he thinks a real ET presence would be manifested openly in a public contact. Well if tomorrow they land on the Red Square, that is ok for the head of the second biggest church on planet earth.

      I am sorry to say but it is a race. Someone may not withstand it. Especially of WW3 is indeed in the manual of someone.

      Pleiadians said in “Henoch prophecy” they will aid the non-Western powers if WW3 is to occur. You may read it online, it is too fearful even for a religious prophecy 5 centuries old. :cry:

      One must take a decision. The sooner the world finds escape way the better. The pope can turn the scales for the good. I think even the authors of Exo Vaticana and Petrus Romanus would agree that Petrus could be a good one if he does good. Let me stop at this point

      • WideAwake

        You are going to fall for the great deception and you certainly do not know Jesus Christ if you are referencing a “Henoch prophecy” over the Word of God.

    • TruthBeTold

      BIN, you have no idea what you are talking about!!!

      Our Lord’s Blessed Mother appeared in Fatima, Portugal from May 13, 1917 to October 13, 1917, on the 13th of each month during that time period giving 3 peasant children messages from God on chastisements, tribulations, miracles and peace. We are living in those times, and have lived in them since 1917. She foretold of things to come, and gave instruction to us all regarding prayer, fasting, repentance and conversion. Because she knew humans want proof of everything, and that these children would be scrutinized immensely, she prophesied that she would give a miracle of the sun, which she did do! The sun and the sky turned beautiful colors, the sun danced in the sky (NOT MARY—NOT A FLYING SAUCER)! It was raining terribly and muddy ground, and as a result of this Miracle of the Sun, everyone’s clothes immediately dried and the ground as well.

      This false report you have published is based on lies and comes primarily from the heretical Protestants, Steve Quayle and Tom Horn, and others, who proselytize about the “left behind series”.

      It always amazes me how Protestants, who don’t even believe the Mother of God deserves any merit or honor at all as Jesus’ Blessed Mother, claim to be authorities on Catholic prophecies and their visionaries. Protestants can’t stand Mary, give her no mention or place of honor, and condemn her every chance they get. Yet they completely disregard even Christ’s devotion to His Own Mother, WHO WAS SINLESS & HAS BEEN PRESERVED FROM SIN SINCE HER IMMACULATE CONCEPTION SO THAT SHE COULD BE THE VESSEL BY WHICH CHRIST CAME TO EARTH TO REDEEM US FROM OUR SINS!

      I suggest all naysayers take a comprehensive course on Marian prophecy and apparitions, and cease acting like know-it-alls, printing all sorts of heresies against Christ’s Mother and His Mission which He allows also through His Mother.

      If God allows humans to prophesy and evangelize the world, why would He prohibit His own Mother from doing so? Your ignorance is showing.

    • Raphael

      I have to add only that before ending my series of comments. I am not against the pope in anyway. Perhaps the Catholic church has quite a big and negative historic heritage (let not go into details) and perhaps in its current stance it just doesn’t pay her members the common catholics a fair price for their everyday efforts. It is not a gain to be a member of that organization, at least not in the developed world. I don’t know if the prelates in Vatican realize that the checks paid by common catholics became already too heavy burden without much in return. One could say more.

      I don’t know if the Catholic church will have the strength to overpass the current barrier, so to speak to get off world status. Don’t know if the scales of history and contemporary (good) actions equal. God knows the answers of these questions. That doesn’t mean we stay idle. I’d like to see pope that preaches less as a parish priest (although good) and cares more of the global problems. Including inequality East-West and North-South. Including Russia. Including the ET. It will become automatically our reality the day they make the public contact. Perhaps that day many will be sorry they didn’t do what many people told them online. The race will be over. The earth will be saved but at a price. The rescue teams won’t come from the Vatican or the Vatican won’t contribute to them with anything. Underground the survivors will have very little to do with the reality before the Day X. Even less if they are onboard on their route to Alpha Centauri. Other laws will play, more fair. Do those people reflect on that? Some of them want to be martyrs and fabricated Fatima 3. Let they remain on earth and die as “martyrs” in the solar flames, but let the 1 bln strong church survive.

    • TruthBeTold

      Cris Putnam is a LIAR BAR NONE!
      He and Tom Horn and Steve Quayle will do anything to blaspheme the Blessed Mother of Our Lord and the TRUE HOLY ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH (WHICH IS LATIN RITE PRE-VATICAN II).

      Just like the Americans do not wish to be judged by the likes of Antichrist Obama, neither do the TRUE CATHOLICS want to be judged by the likes of False Popes, False Prophets nor the Novus Ordo Mass, nor the ilk of Biden, Pelosi, Panetta, Kerry, Sebelius, Kennedys, etc.

      Get your facts straight all of you.

      God will not be mocked, nor will God allow the mockery of His Blessed Mother, Holy Angels, Saints, and His True Believers and Followers. Repent or pay His price!

      • Truthseeker

        Truthbetold

        I have asked ‘mary’s servant’ in a comment above a question and I never get an answer from he or she.

        So since you too seem to know so much about the religion of the Romans, where in the Word of God does it say humans should worship flesh and blood humans. As it states in John the first chapter Jesus Christ is our Creator, so I with great love and joy worship Him but Mary was just a flesh and blood human, I neither worship John, Matthew, Luke, Mark, Paul etc, they also are just humans made from dust and they are all dead.

        You fellows give the leaders of your religion the names of God, you call them Father and Holy all name belonging to only GOD. You change the Sabbath to the day of the sun, you erect idols made from medal, wood, plaster and plastic and call them icons.

        I just don’t get it, what you folks do is in direct violation of the WORD of GOD.

        Can you please explain this to me? Oh one more — I have always wanted to understand this
        Christ was a Jew, the Apostles and disciples were also and Christ sent them to the House of Israel not to the gentiles, the gentiles can come into the Family of God but must be grafted into Israel, they must be adopted in to be saved– how on earth did the gentile Romans that killed Christ end up with a large church they call Christian?

        I am always eager to learn things

      • Paddy

        This is just more of the same Catholic bashing sensationalism from the conspiracy theory specialists who thrive on having a go at the Church; and making big bucks simultaneously.

        What in the world qualifies Horn & Putman to write such speculative nonsense on our Church, much less supposedly “proving” that the Catholic Church is inviting the Harlot of Revelation to dine at the Vatican – having stepped off a flying saucer.? Certainly not their academic training: they have zero academic training or experience in theology, biblical linguistics, biblical archeology, biblical scholarship, church history, or even general history. These are chaps who rely on Malachy Martin as a source for some of their ‘work’! From where I come from he would be more correctly (and accurately) titled ‘Malarchy Martin’.

        I really wish the Protestants would either leave us alone, or just join us. Have they no sense that if the Catholic Church were to fall (which it shall not) then all their various denominations would be picked off one by one by the various rampant atheist movements – now in the ascendant . Most of the various Protestant denominations that I have met are good and decent Christians, and scribblers such as Horn & Putman are doing a disservice to the Christian body general, in that they are sowing seeds of suspicion and doubt. They do Satan’s work: divide and conquer.

    • 3AM

      The catholic synagogue of satan with its head, wearing the triple crown (lord of heaven, earth and underworld) and also called Pontifex Maximus who bows down in front of statues (breaking God’s 2nd Commandment so they simply removed it in their catechisms and is one of the identifying marks of the anti-Christ) of Mary is an abomination to God the Creator…

      The last to hold the title of pontifex maximus under the Roman Republic were Julius Caesar (62-44 BCE_ Empirar of the world at that stage) and M. Aemilius Lepidus (44-12 BCE). After Lepidus the title passed to Augustus, and henceforth the title of pontifex maximus would be a prerogative of the emperor. It remained so until the 5th century when it passed to the Pope, who have used the title ever since. The title pontifex means literally “bridge builder” because they bridged the gap between the world of man and the world of the gods, which would then make the catholic church pantheistic by definition…

      By saying Mary was immaculate they mean that the Immaculate Conception (of course it is always capitalized) should not be confused with the perpetual virginity of Mary or the virgin birth of Jesus; it refers to the conception of Mary by her mother, Saint Anne. Although the belief was widely held since at least Late Antiquity, the doctrine was not dogmatically defined until December 8, 1854, by Pope Pius IX in his papal bull Ineffabilis Deus. It is not formal doctrine except in the Roman Catholic Church.[4] The Feast of the Immaculate Conception is observed on December 8 in many Catholic countries as a holy day of obligation or patronal feast, and in some as a national public holiday. As if this is not enough evidence to identify “HER”, this synagogue also moved the date of the actual Passover by almost 2 weeks to bring it in line with the ancient paganistic feast of Ishtar. You remember that Daniel also went through this gate (Ishtar gate of the city of Babylon) to give the king’s dream in Daniel 2.

      Ishtar was the goddess of love, war, fertility, and sexuality. Ishtar was the daughter of Ninurta. She was particularly worshipped in northern Mesopotamia, at the Assyrian cities of Nineveh, Ashur and Arbela (Erbil). Besides the lions on her gate, her symbol is an eight-pointed star. Her cult may have involved sacred prostitution. Guirand referred to her holy city Uruk as the “town of the sacred courtesans” and to her as the “courtesan of the gods”. CAN YOU BEGIN TO UNDERSTAND HOW SICK THIS INSTITUTION ACTUALLY IS?.. Add to this their veneration of the dead or “necromancy”, because under every single catholic church in the world, you will find dead men’s (human) bones under the altar and most cathedrals were built upon the ruins of ancient pagan temples…

      THE TITTL OF PONIFEX MAXIMUS
      The last to hold the title of pontifex maximus under the Roman Republic were Julius Caesar (62-44 BCE_ Empirar of the world at that stage) and M. Aemilius Lepidus (44-12 BCE). After Lepidus the title passed to Augustus, and henceforth the title of pontifex maximus would be a prerogative of the emperor. It remained so until the 5th century when it passed to the Pope, who have used the title ever since. The title pontifex means literally “bridge builder” because they bridged the gap between the world of man and the world of the gods, which would then make the catholic church pantheistic by definition…but this is already proved in the previous paragraphs. DON’T YOU THINK THAT IT IS TIME FOR YOU TO START SEARCHING FOR THESE FACTS YOURSELF..or are you just going to accept what your preachers, teachers of pastors tell you?.. Protestant churches the world over have been infiltrated by this… for lack of a better word and saying it like the Bible does… “WHORE”

      Rev13 :5-9 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months. And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven. And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. If any man have an ear, let him hear.

      Have you noticed that the pope takes all the titles of God for himself and declares that he,.. this arrogant, mere, sinful mortal can forgive your sins and insists on the baptism of babies, even though Jesus came to lead by example. Have you noticed the fat little angel decorations in cathedrals? HOW DOES THE BIBLE DESCRIBE ANGELS???

      Rev 17:4-6 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication: And upon her forehead was a name written, Mystery, Babylon The Great, The Mother Of Harlots And Abominations Of The Earth. And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.

      Doesn’t the Bible give us a clear description of her?………………………………………………………….
      “SHE” clearly wants to make it known that other churches are no sisters of her and that “SHE” is the mother.., making apostate protestant churches the daughters or “HARLOTS” if you will…

      Why is the papal crest a DRAGON/SNAKE?..

      …probably the same reason why the word “VATICAN” ACTUALLY MEANS DIVINING SERPENT

      EXPOSED: Title Of The Popes Of Rome = 666!

      The Donation of Constantine (AKA the Donatio) contains the official title of the Popes of Rome. Unfortunately for the Roman Church, this title is yet another identifying characteristic of the Antichrist of Bible prophecy, since this title, Vicarius Filii Dei, equals the dreaded 666.

      Catholics today are quick to say that Protestants are dishonest (or worse) for using the Donatio/Vicarius Filii Dei against them in this way since it was determined beyond question to be a total forgery. What most Catholics either don’t know or will not tell you is that the Roman Catholic Church & Popes used this BOGUS title of Vicarius Filii Dei contained in the Donatio for 1,000 (One Thousand!) years to “prove” their “primacy”.

      Now any thinking individual will ask: “If the Pope is supposed to be ‘infallible’ in the subjects of faith and morals, and if the Roman Church has ‘never erred’ as they boast about, then why, pray tell, did the ‘infallible’ Papacy/Roman Church use this FAKE title & FORGED document to prove their ‘authority’ for 1,000 years!?”

      It’s a LEGITIMATE question, but it’s a question that is too uncomfortable for most Roman Catholics to deal with. So they deny it or they sweep in under the Pope’s door mat and ignore it for fear of what the consequences might be concerning the supposed infallibility of the Popes & Roman Church.

      The Roman Church/Popes gained an incredible amount of wealth & power by using this FORGED document to their benefit to bilk & rape poor gullible people out of their money & property. Now Catholics try to distance themselves from it and hide it by claiming Protestants ‘manufactured’ or ‘fabricated’ this title. You would be suprised how many Catholics will say this in total IGNORANCE of the fact that the title Vicarius Filii Dei contained in the forged Donatio were both included in the Roman Catholic Canon Law for literally ages.

      So to be honest with themselves and the Christian world, Roman Catholics must answer the following questions:

      1. If the title Vicarius Filii Dei is NOT an official title of the Pope of Rome, then why is it in the OFFICIAL writings of a POPE on the OFFICIAL website of the Roman Church here at Vatican.va?
      2. Why was this ‘bogus’ title of Vicarius Filii Dei & bogus ‘Donatio’ included in the Canon Law of the Roman Catholic Church for centuries?
      3. Why did the Roman Church/Popes, who are supposed to be ‘infallible’ in the subject of ‘faith & morals’ use a KNOWN forgery (yes they used it for 200 MORE years AFTER it was determined to be a forgery!) to prove their primacy? Were they IGNORANT? Or were they LYING? Were they EMBARRASSED? Were they ASHAMED?
      4. Why did the Roman Catholic Church try to KILL Lorenzo Valla, who exposed the ‘Donatio’ as forgery, by attempting to burn him at the stake for heresy?
      5. Since tremendous wealth was gained by the Roman Catholic Church/Popes over the 10 CENTURIES the Donation was used by them, will they be honest and give back the money and property which they took under FALSE pretense? How about giving it all to feed starving people?

      THE ANTI-CHRIST AS THE SON OF PERDITION…a title only used twice in the Bible… JUDAS ESCARIOT IS CALLED THIS ALSO and who was he?.. JESUS’ FRIEND, APOSTLE AND BETRAYER BY MEANS OF A KISS. Kind of like what the catholic church is doing to Jesus wouldn’t you say?..

      THIS IS ONE OF THE DESCIPTIONS OF THE ANTI-CHRIST IN THE BIBLE
      And he shall speak great words against the most High, …and think to change times and laws:” Daniel 7:25

      “The authority of the church could therefore not be bound to the authority of the Scriptures, because the Church had changed the Sabbath into Sunday, not by command of Christ, but by its own authority.” Canon and Tradition, p. 263

      “The Catholic church,” declared Cardinal Gibbons, “by virtue of her divine mission changed the day from Saturday to Sunday.” Catholic Mirror Sept. 23 1983. (Official organ of Cardinal Gibbons)

      THIS IS FOUND IN CATHOLIC CATECHISM
      Question – Which is the Sabbath day?
      Answer – Saturday is the Sabbath day.
      Question – Why do we observe Sunday instead of Saturday?
      Answer – We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church, in the Council of Laodicea (A.D. 364), transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday.” The Convert’s Catechism of Catholic Doctrine, p. 50, 3rd ed.

      “The Bible says, Remember that thou keep holy the Sabbath day. The Catholic church says, No! By my divine power I abolish the Sabbath day, and command you to keep the first day of the week. And lo, the entire civilized world bows down in reverent obedience to the command of the holy Catholic church!” Father Enright, C.S.S.R. of the Redemptoral College, Kansas City, History of the Sabbath, p. 802 THEY ARE VERY ARROGANT ABOUT THIS CHANGE, aren’t they?

      “Perhaps the boldest thing, the most revolutionary change the Church ever did, happened in the first century. The holy day, the Sabbath, was changed from Saturday to Sunday. “The day of the Lord” was chosen, not from any direction noted in the Scriptures, but from the Church’s sense of its own power …. People who think that the Scriptures should be the sole authority, should logically become Seventh-day Adventists, and keep Saturday holy.” (Saint Catherine Church Sentinel, Algonac, Michigan, May 21, 1995.)

      “Sunday is a Catholic institution and its claim to observance can be defended only on Catholic principles …. From beginning to end of Scripture there is not a single passage that warrants the transfer of weekly public worship from the last day of the week to the first.” (Catholic Press, Sydney, Australia, August, 1990.)

      WHY DOES THIS SYNAGOGUE OF SATAN LIKE TO EITHER DEPICT JESUS AS HANGING ON THE CROSS OR AS A HELPLESS BABY ON HIS MOTHER LAP?..

      …but you decide for yourself… I would also like to present you with a couple of interesting picture featuring yours “UNHOLY”

      what are the noticeable colours?
      /religion/2013/10/pappa-and-his-friends-or-are-they-his-servants-2456678.html

      • Truthseeker

        3am

        I am making a copy of what you wrote above to verify, I would think you are spot on.

        This church will soon cause the blood of God’s Saints to run.

        You might want to read the article on BIN now asking the question ” did Christ abolish the Sabbath”. I tie it back to the catholics changing to Sunday. The Sabbath is God’s not sunday.

        I find it difficult to understand how a rational mind would accept this pagan counterfeit of the Christian faith that is the personification of sin.

        • Pix

          You acknowledge Christianity is plagiarised paganism, and then vilify pagans. Is it the pagans fault in your eyes that ancient Roman politics created a religion based on paganism and called it Christianity?

          The fact that Christianity hold their sermons on a Sunday is not the fault of pagans who observed that everything on Earth is subject to the sun.

          On one breath Jesus preached to keep all the old Jewish laws better than the law keepers, and to practice pagan baptism on his next.. = FICTION. Christianity is the counterfeit, not paganism.

          You find it difficult to understand how a rational mind would accept pagan counterfeit. I find it difficult to understand how Christians can tell such bald faced lies and pretend to be holier than thou at the same time. Bunch of braggart frauds.

          :lol:

        • 3AM

          We did this a couple of days ago with an article Mike Clinton wrote… Some of what you find in the above comment is there as well… I reckon you owe it to yourself to check it out!!!

          IT WAS A BIT IRONIC I MUST SAY… You can find that here /prophecy/2013/10/exposed-was-the-truth-hidden-for-2000-years-are-we-being-set-up-2454796.html

        • 3AM

          @ Truthseeker

          “You might want to read the article on BIN now asking the question ” did Christ abolish the Sabbath””

          Can’t find it… Was interested though… HOPE YOU FIND WHAT YOU ARE LOOKING FOR!

        • Truthseeker

          3am

          expand the new article section and run down to 10/28 @ 7:46

        • Truthseeker

          PIX

          The catholic religion which is pagan goes all the way back to Nimrod, a contemporary of Abram.

          From Nimrod sprang the mother son worship. The catholics are the Babylonian Mystery religion a continuation of the mother son religion from Nimrod’s mother

          I do not have a “religion”, religion is pagan by default.

          You have no understanding of Jesus Christ and never will until you repent are baptized and receive the Holy Spirit. My guess, you will get your opportunity in the Great White Throne Judgment. Until that time your mind can not understand, if it could you would still not obey.

          Carnal human nature which is pride, vanity, jealousy, lust and greed, must be replaced by the Divine Holy Righteous Nature of God the Father. The process is call “Circumcision without hands”. Hopefully some day you will be willing to allow God the Father and His Son to change your carnal human nature which you love so much.

    • Pix

      Hmm, let’s see. Group of young girls, fanciful stories of aliens from Mars, claims of prophesies of major global events world war’s 1 and 2, and culminating with an anti climax of an assassination attempt on a pedophile protector wearing a frock and a fancy fish god dagon party hat. … Get real.

      :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

    • Brother Andre

      Oh boy here we go again… :evil:
      Those evil Catholics, and Jesus is a space alien…
      So lets take something that those evil blood drinking, flesh eating, idol worshipping
      catholics did and twist it totally out of proportion so we can show??? What Exactly?
      FYI people, YEUSHUA was Jewish, not Christian… In Ancient Hebreic tradition the QUEEN was the mother of the KING… So to simply dismiss The Mother of Christ as a sperm receptacle or baby factory who has no influence, care, or connection to Jesus… just how ignorant are you?
      She loved him first and best, and he loved her likewise, all good mothers are bonded to their children, and as you “Christians” believe love never dies huh? So Catholics pray to her to use her special bond with her son in addition to praying to our Lord… oh well better safe than sorry.
      What is it Christ said???? A house divided against itself cannot stand? No wonder Satan has so much power and control in our world, Ha! when “Christians” cannot even be charitable and tolerant of each other…

      • Usefuleater

        If they really want to complain they should point the finger at The Koran. Mary is mentioned more times in the Koran than she is in the Holy Bible. Even Muslims understand your assertion which I also agree with.

    • Chupaletero

      Ok all you Mary haters. I’m sure God understands your mysoginy.

      • 3AM

        Mary is dead. She is sleeping. She can’t be hated. What your church sees as miracles are in fact demonic manifestations… BELIEVING THAT MARY IS APPEARING IS SPIRITISM!!!

    • Jarheadusmc

      Firstly:

      – The Word “God” was made flesh
      – That means Mary is the Mother of God, it was from her He took His human nature.
      – That means Mary is the “Spouse of the Holy Ghost”.
      – If Mary is the Mother of God the Son and Spouse of the Holy Ghost = Daughter of the Father.

      Who would dare, without losing their soul in the end, ignore that it was “through Mary” that Jesus Christ, The Son of God, came to the world, it was through her – and it is through her that we go to Christ. What do you think God would think of anyone who would deny or denigrate His mother; may God have mercy on their souls.

      And your bible: Even the Mormons attribute and thank the Catholic Church for assembling and preserving the bible. It was St. Jerome and the the early Councils of Rome and Carthage that put the books of the bible together and through out the false books, note that there are 22 other books of Divine Inspired Scripture that are mentioned in the bible that we do not have.
      So, you believe your bible, you believe what the Catholic Church has said and given the world to be the bible or scripture, and note Christianity existed before the bible, the bible was not available for the peoples until the advent of the printing press sixteen hundred years later.

      “Hold fast to those teachings which have been given you either by “word – tradition” and epistle – written tradition”.

      Now the miracle was just that, a miracle, and it did not end with the miracle of the sun, but continued at Fatima and its waters for years afterwards, where all sorts of maladies were healed and admitted by authorities and scientists to be beyond scientific explanation.

      But we have over 500 Catholic saints in this world whose bodies from a hand, head, feet, or the whole body’s have been miraculously preserved, where God has shown that these were holy in their teaching, penances and walking the earth, in the miracles and gifts of their hands or their whole bodies, unexplained by modern science. The marks of the Church exist only in the One Holy Roman Catholic Apostolic Church … “outside of which their is no salvation” de fide, thrice infallibly defined, and if anyone in the Church, even the highest positions should dare to teach otherwise against the infallible teachings of the Church, he teaches heresy.

      You can name the founder of every so called Christian religion in the world, Luther, King Henry VIII, etc, all the heretical religions we can name their founders who for the most part are and were all originally Catholics; now name the founder of the Holy Catholic Church – that’s right Christ Himself. Then we have Luther who tore seven books out of the Old Test and 66 parts of Daniel and parts of Esther, because he did not believe in them; Luthers followers advised him not to throw out the Gospel of St. John, the Epistle of St. James and the Apocalpse or Revelations as that was what he intended to do also. The KJB is but a copy of the Lutheran Bible which both are a “copy” minus some scripture of the Catholic Bible.

      We have several “manuscripts” or the oldest copies of bibles in existance and all contain the same number of books that the Catholic Bible has as they were all Catholic Bibles.
      No other Christian denomination has existed up until today that originates from the time of Christ, all the Protestant religions started from the 16th. century on – does that not tell you something.

      Who sayest I am … Blessed art thou Simon bar Jona for thou art “Peter” (Christ here names Simon bar Jona to now be Peter, which is Greek for Rock), and upon this rock I build My Church and the gates of hell shall not prevail against thee unto the consumation of the ages and whose sins you shall forgive are forgiven and whose sins you shall retain are retained. Here Christ gives “men” the power to forgive sins.

      The Pope is infallible “only” when he defines a belief of faith or morals to be held by the Universal Church and he institutes this decree by certain procedures using the full authority given him by Christ. In all the other teachings, sayings, interviews, or whatever, the Pope is no more infallible than anyone else, he can err and he can be a heretic, the first betrayer was one of the twelve Apostles themselves, Judas.

      Our Lord specifically warns that in the future many will come in his name, other religions and faith purporting to be of His origin, but are rather come from Lucifer himself. Only two religions claim without any proof otherwise, that God was and is their God and they are the true faith.
      If Christ did not come then Judaism is the true faith, if Christ did come and die on the Cross then the Holy Roman Catholic Apostolic Church is the true faith. ‘Unless you believe whole and entire the Catholic faith you will be lost forever’ Athanasian Creed 3rd century. “Where Christ lies there lies the Catholic Church” – 106 A.D. St. Ignatius disciple of St. Polycarp who was the disciple of St. John the Apostle.

      Prior to WWII at the death of Pope PIus XI, it was decided to bury him in front of the main altar in St. Peters in the Vatican. The floor was excavated and caved in. They then found some catacombs directly under the Vatican. It took up to 1968 to excavate four cities, four huge catacombs that lie directly under the Vatican and St. Peters, which you can tour today.

      They found in each of the four levels of catacombs a church with a main altar directly under St. Peters altar, facing the same direction to the East. In the last level, the most primitive, they found the last altar directly under the others resting on a dirt floor. They moved the dirt to find a “trap door” directly under the stone altar. When the door was opened they found the grave of “St. Peter the Apostle HImself” and written all over his coffin, the walls of his burial chamber were two signs, the fish representing the Eurcharist or Body and Blood of Christ “unless you eat my flesh and drink my blood you shall not enter into heaven” and the other sign was:

      M the sign of Mary written all over his coffin the walls of his burial chamber and throughout the catacombs. Dare anyone at the loss of their immortal soul to in any way denigrate, attack, or heap invectives on both Our Lady and her name. She was given by Christ at his death, as she suffered as any mother would near the very suffering she witnessed her Son undergoing, the whole of God’s mercy, all of the graces of salvation, she is the Treasury of the Graces of God, she who bore the very Son of God in her woumb, she who was the “tabernacle for nine months of the “Divinity” : She who was given the all the graces of salvation to give to whom she wants and how much she wants.

      In the Old Test let one story be a warning to those who attack the Mother of God:

      The Ark of the Covenant – a representation of the Tabernacle, which contained the tablets of the Commandments and Araons Staff – was so holy that none could touch it but one without death.

      The Ark of the Covenant – a representation of the Tabernacle, of the Tabernacle of Our Lady that held not two material objects of veneration, but the very body and blood of the Son of God Himself, whose very material body was formed from the “blood of this virgin” – dare anyone not see and understand the holy and “infinite” significance of this and the degree to which this woman, the greatest of all creation was elevated too – Queen of Heaven and Earth, Queen of Mercy.

    • Jarheadusmc

      Aliens – not so.

      In the life of Blessed Sister Catherine Emmerich (1776-1850) is related that when she was only five years old she went outside in the winter, looked up into the heavens and invited Little Lord Jesus to her house for His birthday at Christmas. Our Lord then appeared to her and showed her from the beginning of creation the end of the world and many of the major events to come.

      Among many revelations Our Lord showed her the battle in heaven between the good and bad angels, between St. Michael and Lucifer. At the start of the battle some of the angels decided to sit on the fence, so to speak, to be neutral and then to side with the victors. When the battle was over God summoned the neutral angels and condemned them to hell for all eternity for their neutrality. However, God allowed them for that few moments of neutrality that they would not be sent into hell until the end of the world, but, that they would roam the world and heavens under the direction and control forever of Lucifer until they would then at the General Judgement be thrown together will all the rest into the bowels of hell.

      These angels still retain their angelic knowledge, they are pure spirits, they do not think, they know instantly all science and understand and know all the laws of creation, they being pure spirits can move anywhere by mere will of effort: However, their adepts, their “useful idiots”, to borrow a phrase, need help to move from place to place. The angels, with their material knowledge can have made material objects like what we call “flying saucers” and could at times work with men who sell their souls to their direction. Blessed Emmerich says in her revelations i the early 19th century that this is what “fly saucers” are, these are the means of which the devils transport and work with men.

      To all those that have fallen into this demonic belief of “aliens” even Rome itself, shows us today what dire straights we are in, how what was foretold of the “great apostasy” from the faith that would start at the “very top” the Pope.

      But then God will in the end intervene, but not before we have payed a very dire price for our apostasy, for our abandonment of near 2000 years of Christianity and true doctrine, not before His Justice is appeased and He purifies both the Church and the World will God will God intervenes. So for abortion, homosexuality, pornography, contraception, divorce, drugs, fraud, greed, immodesty in dress, etc, but especially for the now massive apostasy, God will allow our enemies to punish us severely, and will allow all those apostates to wallow in their ignorance and into the foolish beliefs that the devil feeds them.

    • Jarheadusmc

      One other note: This consecration has been done more than five times now, each time the Pope has consecrated the world to the Immaculate Heart of Mary; this being another slap in God’s face.

      Our Lord told Sister Lucia in Tuy, Spain, specifically, that not the world, but the Pope must consecrate “Russia” (by name) along with all the Bishops of the world at the same time to the Immaculate Heart of Mary and until that is done both the Church and the world will fall into ruin which we see happening before our eyes.

      The next Pope – Pope Pius XIII (From Pope St. Pius X’s vision of a Pope “of like name” fleeing the Vatican over the bodies of many dead priest’s during a Communist revolution in Italy which has not yet happened) who will possibly be elected on the death of Pope Francis I this coming spring, will declare “seven declarations” the “seven thunders of the Apocalypse” with which he will condemn Vatican II and the Popes after it for their part in the wholesale destruction of the Catholic faith, for the loss of possibly millions of souls. He, this new pope will return the Church to her former disciplines, laws, rituals, condemnations and beliefs, using the “full” authority of the Papacy. This will shock the entire Church and world and let Lucifer know that his time is up to which he, Lucifer cries, ‘so be it – then war’. Follows immediately world revolution throughout all of Europe and America and then within months WW3 which lasts for approx 3-4 years.

      Search and read:

      - JR Nyquist: For Patriots who Think
      - Prophecies of Alois Irimaier: Catholic Austrian Mystic.
      - WW3 Prophecies and Visions from Central Europe.
      - Prophecies of Blessed Sister Elena Aiello (1895-1961)
      - The Three Days Darkness warned by many saints which forces WW3 to end.

    • Mohsen Samii

      Ignorance is bliss, so those who worship a statue which cannot hear or speak should remain in darkness but the church will go on feeding this nonsense as long as the masses continue to follow this false doctrine.

      • bleh

        Where on earth did that utter nonsense of “worshiping statues/images” come from? The devil-worshiping masonic mob or some blood-swilling native tribe? Sounds like their MO’s or possibly even the creation of yet another anti-Catholic bigot.

        Let me clear up your erroneous thinking: NO CATHOLIC WORSHIPS STATUES OR IMAGES any more than you worship pictures of your mother, wife or children. They are used to remind the faithful of the many good and holy people who were once part of the Church Militant and are now part of the Church Triumphant. How freakin’ stupid do you think Catholics are anyway? Do you think that in 2000 years someone might not have noticed if what you believe is true?

        If you just look at the list of known Saints, it puts every other wanna-be religion to shame. The Church of Rome has brilliant scholars, ascetics, martyrs, confessors and mystics in it legions of saints. Who does your faith offer?

        You need to get focused more on the business of your personal salvation and stop feeling superior to Catholics because you found one verse in scripture that causes you to criticize the True Church. Problem is, you do not understand the devotions of Catholics and are so prideful as to chose to remain ignorant, which may cause your eternal damnation.

        BTW, I am a pre-Vatican II cradle Catholic and have no use for the current crop of frauds who are having a field day promoting apostasy since 1963. This new “pope” is quite a piece of work! A charming pied piper leading the willfully ignorant to perdition.

    • Mohsen Samii

      Have we forgotten that God forbid any person from praying to images. No images he ordered and yet the churches are full of them.

    • bleh

      Where in Scripture does it say “Sola Scripture”? Isn’t that notion only about 600 years old anyway, created by Martin Luther?

      Obviously, neither Mr. Putnam nor Mr. Horn have read Luke’s infancy narratives. Maybe they have a problem with women being holy… such as the mother of Jesus who carried Him in her body for 9 months, or Elizabeth, who carried John the Baptizer in her womb for 9 months.

      If they do believe that Jesus, the second person of the Blessed Trinity, both man and God, was born to Mary in Bethlehem, which is a mind-boggling miracle (it is easier for a man to become a worm than god to become man), Why do they find it so impossible that God is responsible for creating Mary, the most perfect woman to have ever existed? Or that Jesus would not honor the woman who carried Him for 9 months? Which of them does not honor his mother? Or that the Father does not hold her, above all others, as the apple of His eye and that her mission would not end upon the end of the earthly life?

      To honor someone is not idolatry. The apostles all honored Mary. She was in the Cenacle with them on Pentecost. She collected the crown of thorns, the nails and the shroud. She was an integral part of the early Church. What she did was not recorded as the early Christians were too busy dodging vampire emperors and anticipating Christ’s immanent return. It is fatuous to pretend Jesus just fell out of the sky and did not have a relationship with His mother and his apostles. (Now that is real space-cadet thinking. If you have to go that far to justify your theology, you’ve gone to far.)

      Of course, anyone with any intellectual honesty knows that the New Testament was not assembled until the Council of Nicea. (The KJV was complete in 1611.) The Church had already 33 Popes and Pope St. Sylvester was the Pope at the time. It’s not as though the Scriptures just fell out of the sky either and waited 1300 years to get “fixed” from all those heretical Catholic ideas. (Wonder where Western Civilization would be if we had to wait until the 17th century to come into existence?)

      If God chooses to send Mary to speak to her children, it would be fitting if the children reviewed it like intelligent human beings instead of reacting with derision. Trust but verify. If the pre-Vatican II church verified it, it is worthy of belief but it is not an article of faith and not necessary for salvation.

      There is a spiritual world over which humans have no control and little knowledge. We are in a major spiritual battle and it behooves everyone to be careful about which side they choose. Mocking things that do not fit into a non-Catholic belief matrix disregards facts and history to say nothing of making the accusing party seem foolish.

      • 3AM

        “Where in Scripture does it say “Sola Scripture”? Isn’t that notion only about 600 years old anyway, created by Martin Luther?”

        Matt 4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

    • drax

      “if the sun had actually moved in the described manner, the gravitational effects would have devastated the Earth. ”

      It was then, when the LORD delivered up the Amorites to the Israelites, that Joshua prayed to the LORD, and said in the presence of Israel: Sun, stand still at Gibeon, Moon, in the valley of Aijalon!
      The sun stood still,the moon stayed, while the nation took vengeance on its foes
      This is recorded in the Book of Jashar. The sun halted halfway across the heavens; not for an entire day did it press on. Joshua 10:12-14
      Same for Moses with his miracle sun, the red sea and so on and the earth is still here.

      Do we dare to tell God what He can or can’t do naturally or supernaturally?
      If God chooses Moses, Joshua, Mary, Paul… to spread warnings in celestial or earthly way. Are you going to argue with God?
      What I know about Fatima is a message of repentance.
      Also, disrespecting Mary is disrespecting Jesus. God chose her to be his Mother, the greatest grace given to a human being.
      Protestant, catholic or orthodox, from a christian point of view she deserves respect as such, Mother of God.

    • tbaker

      I find Chris’ title disrespectful. I don’t know any male who takes kindly to his mother being disrespected. And I don’t think Jesus would care much for it either.

      • Country Boy

        I agree with Chris that this Pope is a scary problem. Yet I am seeing some ignorance in some of these posts that need to be addressed:

        1-Mary IS the Theotokos, she IS the Mother of God. This is a fact..and if you do not believe this you are not Christian or you are in serious error. Christ was born..and born of a Virgin. Therefore the title “Mother of God” is not a Catholic thing..its a Christian thing!

        1-As far as religious art goes…The Ark had Cherubim and Seraphim carved on it..read the old testament AND Christ himself was the incarnation..that is…the earthly view of the Second name in the Trinity…so things in heaven were and can be depicted on earth..just not worshiped in and of themselves. I urge my fundamentalist brothers and sisters to know their Christian history!

        • Truthseeker

          countryboy

          you might want to take some lessons in logic.

    • TheCryingSpy

      Well a RUPTURE between Our 3d World, and the Supernatural 4th Dimensional world would more than likely BE ROUND SHAPED. Or do you think a miracle wouldn’t be enough, and that further proof is required? ie. you want to ask God to make his miracle in the mundane shape to prove to YOU ALONE that a miraculous supernatural event has occured?

    • Wulfrano Ruiz Sainz

      Protestants, no matter what the say, no matter what they do, because of their unlove and lack of respect for the Most Holy Ever Virgin Mother of God-Man Jesus Christ, will all go to hell to burn forever.

    • underhispinions

      One other thing that struck me about this (other than Jesus saying we only come to the fater through Jeus,is that the church made a big deal about how “pure” the children were.Now if I’m not mistaken,God says we have all fallen short through our sin nature.
      We are only worthy through the death of Jesus on the cross,his shed blood and our accepting him as our Lord.Not of works (or our own rightousness).We wear robes of rightousness for HIS names sake.
      There is no “co-redeemer”,that is just anti-biblical.

    • Senior

      Luke 1:46 And Mary said, My soul doth magnify the Lord,
      Luke 1:47 And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour. (Only a sinner needs a Saviour!)
      Luke 1:48 For he hath regarded the low estate (vile) of his handmaiden: for, behold, from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed.

      Did Mary stay a Virgin after Jesus was born? No, she did not!
      Mattthew 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.
      1:24 Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife:
      1:25 And “KNEW HER NOT TILL” she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS.

      Mary and Joseph produced other sons and daughters.
      Matthew 13:55 Is not this (Jesus) the carpenter’s son? is not his mother called Mary? and his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas?
      13:56 And his sisters, are they not all with us? Whence then hath this man all these things?

      Luke 1:38 And Mary said, Behold the handmaid of the Lord; be it unto me according to thy word. And the angel departed from her.
      John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us,……..
      Mary recieved the Word (Jesus, God) in her womb when she said to Gabriel “be it unto me according to thy word.”
      Mary said God, Jesus, was her Saviour. Mary was Joseph’s wife and gave her virginity to him and they had sons and daughters. Therefore Mary was not divine and is not a goddess or co-redeemer with the Lord Jesus.
      Mary was the way for Jesus (God) to take upon Himself a human body so that He could redeem all who would recieve Him as their Lord and Saviour.
      John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
      Jesus did not say “I and Mary am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by us.
      Only Jesus was sinless therefore He was worthy to be our sacrifice for our sins. If Mary was sinless then she could have been the sacrifice for our sins and Jesus would not have needed to come.

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