Assume, just for a moment, that I am the one who has inverted and perverted the Teaching of Jesus for reasons of ambition, greed, pride and the lust for power.
Assume, just for a moment, that I am the one who is the proverbial “wolf in sheep’s clothing”; and that everything I have written about the Teaching of Jesus is, in fact, a lie.
Assume, just for a moment, that every single one of the dozens or hundreds (but, certainly, not tens of thousands) of people who have read and believed my writings on the Before It’s News Prophecy Forum will burn eternally in the flames of hell—will burn eternally in the flames of hell (remember that)—for merely rejecting the doctrines of the Christian theologians and believing, instead, in what I have written.
What it would signify, if any of these assumptions is the Truth, is that anyone who genuinely believes that he or she is a follower of Jesus would, necessarily, have a responsibility to do everything in their power to ensure that these dozens or hundreds of people (few though they may be) not be misled by my lies—and, thus, that they not suffer eternal torment in the fires of hell—simply because they were not intellectually ‘sophisticated enough’ to recognize that what I am writing is, in fact, a contradiction of the Teaching of Jesus.
It is in this context, then, that I am challenging every Christian writer (or reader) on the Before It’s News Prophecy forum:
/prophecy/
to a debate me over one very
narrow Doctrinal issue:
Should the Doctrine of “the resurrection”, taught by Isaiah, Daniel, Jesus and Mohammed, be understood as the doctrine of the physical raising of a dead body from the grave?
Or, instead, should it be understood as a Doctrine of ‘Rebirth’?
The reason I am focusing on this one Doctrinal issue above all others is that my understanding is that it is the contradiction of this one Revealed Truth which establishes the foundation for every doctrinal error which motivates—and, then ‘justifies’—conflict, violence and bloodshed between and among the Jewish, Christian and Muslim religionists; which conflicts now, according to the most recent news from the Middle East, clearly threaten the very survival of human civilization itself.
The reason I write these notes to the Before It’s News Prophecy Forum, then, is not merely to acknowledge my responsibility to what I understand to be the Truth—which responsibility Christians should also acknowledge about what they understand to be the Truth about the Teaching of Jesus—but , also, for the purpose of at least reducing the violence and bloodshed of the “time of trouble” Prophesied by Daniel.
Of course, it would not come as any surprise to me if there were not even so much as one Christian writer (or reader) on this forum who would be willing to acknowledge their responsibility either to the Teaching of Jesus, or to those whom I have been able to ‘mislead’ by my writings; and, thus, would be willing to debate me on the Doctrine of “the resurrection”.
After all, it has been more than 36 years (and, again, almost 12 years) since I challenged the theologians at a major Christian university to a public debate on the Doctrine of “the resurrection”; and it has been almost 28 years since I challenged the members of the Jesus Seminar to a private debate on the Doctrine of “the resurrection”; all of which challenges were simply ignored….
Those theologians, apparently, not recognizing that they had any responsibility at all either to the Truth, or to those I am, apparently, leading into hell by my writings.
Michael Cecil
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Can I challenge the challenger?
It seems you said it already….and I quote…
Should the Doctrine of “the resurrection”, taught by Isaiah, Daniel, Jesus and Mohammed, be understood as the doctrine of the physical raising of a dead body from the grave?
Or, instead, should it be understood as a Doctrine of ‘Rebirth’?
The problem with any religion is they think theirs is correct and all others are false…also, what boggles my mind is, why are so many stories interpreted to fit in a certain context, but the other stories are of the same book are more for learning and not re- interpreted ?
An interpretation and a change in the meaning seem to have come full circle… You can not interpret something and ignore what does not fit the new narrative ….
If religions were sincere, we would not be in conflict with others, others would not be in conflict with ours.
Gods gift was free will….but then goes on to say batter others who don’t believe and convert them…
God is all loving, but will damn you to hell if you use you’re free will?!.
I am a parent, and I can tell you….there are times when you have to let the child get into trouble to show consequences are real….but then society works the same way…do what I say and command or goto jail for pestilence…
Where is the free will in you’re debate? You construct one small idea…and want to debate it…but the idea is wrong to start with….
Don’t get me wrong…I do believe in a higher power….just not the one in mans head…as I have read the bible, it changes meaning with the changes in myself….I do not need someone who wants my tithing of evil money to tell me how to interpret my own ideas…..that is kind of the problem with the current world, tell me what to do, what to think….please, someone else will save me….
Bible says spirituality as in god is within, could I re- interpret god is in hell, as above so below? If indeed the god of the bible states is true?
I learned a hell of a long time ago, that the bible is a guid solely, it is not a factual account…it is full of stories to spark you’re imagination of, what would I have done, how would I have acted ect. Ect. It is a guide for self improvement, but the way it is used now…. It’s a slave tool, to keep you a victim always looking for someone or something else to get you where you want to go.
We all are gods, in our minds…and when properly used, will take you anywhere you want or wish to go, it will bring you peace, it will even bring on love, empathy for you’re fellow man.
Wars to my knowledge are and have been brought on by territory and religion….name one war throughout our entire existence as humans that wasn’t started by one of those two things.
Then ask yourself …. Why is religion the war bringer? In gods name, and why do we follow what we know to be bad? Self hating actions on others we would not want on ourselves….that’s what should be debated here.
lostpuppy
(You sure are.)
First of all, I am not talking about religion. I am talking about ONE Doctrinal issue. That Doctrine has TWO interpretations. One is the Truth. The other is a lie. Those who believe that they know the Truth about this Doctrine have a RESPONSIBILITY to contradict those who they believe are LYING about this Doctrine. And ANYONE who firmly believes that they know the Truth will UNDERSTAND that they also have the RESPONSIBILITY to contradict any lies. That is why I have chosen to issue this challenge to debate.
So, why is it that these Christian writers, though they believe they know the Truth, do NOTSEE (Nazi) that they have such a RESPONSIBILITY to engage in this debate?
Because they do not FIRMLY believe they know the Truth in the first place.
And they are scared to DEATH–they are COWARDS–that, in fact, they DON’T know the Truth; so they choose simply to ignore the issue altogether (and, yet, still expect to get into heaven while not even lifting so much as a little finger in opposition to what they clearly believe is a lie).
Secondly, I did NOT “construct this idea”.
It is the doctrine of the physical raising of a dead body from the grave that was CONSTRUCTED by the Jewish, Christian and Muslim theologians about the Doctrine of “the resurrection” in opposition to the REVELATION of “the resurrection”.
And, thirdly, you cannot simply say that the idea is “wrong” without DEMONSTRATING that it is wrong. And that is what the challenge to debate is all about in the first place: whether the Christians can DEMONSTRATE that the Doctrine of “the resurrection” is what they say it is.
But the fact that DOZENS of Christian theologians at a major Christian university, as well as dozens of Ph.D. professors of the Jesus Seminar did not even ATTEMPT to demonstrate the Truth of the Christian doctrine of “the resurrection” clearly suggest that even THEY do not believe that it is the Truth.
Michael
lostpuppy
“Where is the free will in you’re (SIC) debate?”
Well, FIRST, you determine what the Truth is on the basis of a debate.
And, THEN, you choose whether or not you want to believe the Truth.
In any case, if a person chooses, on the basis of their free will, NOT to believe in the ‘law of gravity’, does that then mean that they can escape the CONSEQUENCES of gravity?
Of course not.
So, it makes no difference what you believe about the Doctrine of “the resurrection”. What makes a difference is what the Truth is.
Michael
Well, obviously, the Christian writers here are merely COWARDS; who, in addition, do not understand the meaning of the word “responsibility”.
Obsessively they write about their interpretations of the Teaching of Jesus, and their interpretations of the Prophecies in the context of current events. But, when asked questions about what they have written, they simply ignore those questions; when confronted by someone who they insist is lying about the Teaching of Jesus, they acknowledge NO responsibility whatsoever to defend that Teaching against those lies. Nor do they feel ANY responsibility at all towards anyone who, believing those lies out of ignorance, are following those lies into hell.
If these Christians were to die tomorrow, they would instantly be taken, according to Christian theology, into an eternal bliss that goes on, without end, forever and forever and forever and forever…
In which the memories of this entire lifetime will be compressed into less than a nano-second.
Just stop and THINK about that for 10 whole seconds.
But, for anyone believing what I have written, on the other hand, there will be eternal, never-ending torment in the fires of hell; that, similarly, goes on, without end, forever and forever and forever and forever and forever and forever..
But are these Christian writers in any way motivated by their beliefs to have compassion upon—to say nothing about having love for—those who are in the ‘predicament’ that I am in; to the point that they are willing to actually engage me in an attempt to demonstrate the ‘errors of my ways’?
Of course not.
Meaning that their motivations for writing on this forum have NOTHING to do with the Truth, but are EXCLUSIVELY motivated by reasons of EGO.
They are willing to DIE for their faith, of course, knowing that they will go to heaven after that.
What they are NOT willing to do is to actually try to convince someone who disagrees with them that their understanding of the Teaching of Jesus is in error.
Clearly, they have NO love for either the Truth or for their fellow man…
Transforming the Before It’s News Prophecy forum into nothing more than a cesspool of click whores obsessed with ego-gratification.
Michael
Here, here, bravo…well said…
I too, believe that Jesus taught the doctrine of resurrection as the doctrine of rebirth.
And yet, he resurrected. The wicked will never understand.
Christopher
Christopher
What shocks me about the Christian writers here–as well as all the Armageddon theologians like the VanImpes and Fuentes and all the rest–who make their money by interpreting the Prophecies–is that, essentially, they wash their hands of those who disbelieve what they say; just like Pilate did with regards to Jesus.
Very, VERY quickly they decide that it is simply HOPELESS to discuss any disagreements. Very, VERY quickly they consign ANYONE who disagrees with them to the ETERNAL flames of hell–with something approaching GLEE.
Why are they GLEEFUL that someone who disagrees with them will go to hell?
All they care about is to be seen by OTHERS as SAYING that they believe in Jesus.
But, when it comes to defending the Teaching of Jesus–from their perspective–from what they clearly understand to be lies, they are NOWHERE to be found. The simply can’t be bothered. And, yet they think that Jesus would approve of such laziness
They ignore questions; they ignore challenges to debate, as if EVERYTHING is BENEATH them; or, maybe, just too much of a BOTHER.
Which is merely another demonstration of the fact that, if they had to opportunity to rescue Jesus from being crucified, they would NOT have even so much as lifted their little finger, or else there would NEVER have been any ‘vicarious atonement’ for their sins in the first place.
I have responded on a number of occasions to Lynn and to John, for example, and they act EXACTLY like the THOUSANDS of Christian religious ‘authorities’ that I have contacted over the past 38 years.
They feel NO responsibility towards the Truth.
They are nothing more than COWARDS.
And, because they are COWARDS, we have such things as the massacre in Gaza and the massacres in Syria and Iraq by the Islamic State.
And they consider themselves as being not in ANY way responsible for ANY of these evils; despite the fact that, when given the chance to contradict what they understood to be lies, they did absolute NOTHING…
But simply continued on their merry way spouting NONSENSE that would collapse in an instant under any serious scrutiny.
Michael