Yes, Putin: They’re Going To Realize What They’ve Done
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Yes, Putin: They’re Going To Realize What They’ve Done
By Hannah Michaels, posted with permission
Just as a bell starts another round in a boxing match, the Sixth Trumpet of the seven described in the Book of Revelation brings in the Sixth Time Period. During it, World War 3 breaks out. This is what they’ve done! It’s what they’ve wanted. And like boxing, war is a little more brutal than a game of chess.
Try to tell a Syrian, THE WAR hasn’t started. For that matter, try to tell an Iraqi his country isn’t wasted. Tens of thousands died during the Fifth Trumpet round; and thousands of millions are going to die before the Seventh Trumpet is blown. For the West, though, we won’t believe “It’s War!” until it knocks us out – and this is when we’ll realize what we’ve all done.
The world is dividing into two opposing camps. And in most cases, it’s all for an “illusion of reality”, because a few operatives get away with representing a whole nation – as agent provocateurs. Take down towers, plant some passports – blame the Muslims. Bomb an event, plant a passport – blame Islamic Extremists. It’s going to get nastier – we know The Drill – agent provocateurs will continue to incite Russia until Russia strikes back.
If you think Russia isn’t going to strike back, then you’re clueless on Biblical prophecy; as well as how to interpret the escalations in the Middle East.
Rev. 9:13 And the sixth angel sounded, and I heard a voice from the four horns of the golden altar which is before God,
Rev. 9:14 Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet, Loose the four angels which are bound in the great River Euphrates.
Rev. 9:15 And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for The Hour, and The Day, (the month, and the year) for to slay the third part of men.
Rev. 9:16 And the number of the army of the horsemen [were] two hundred thousand thousand: and I HEARD the number of them.
That’s World War 3 – it’s officially declared. Everything happening in the Middle East goes viral.
As far as the news headlines go, pay attention to The Truthseeker (UK) and Veteran’s Today websites to stay up to date on the escalations in the Middle East. You may want to read “You Want War? Russia is Ready for War”, sourced below.
Also, read The Bible, as it’s full of current and upcoming events:
Ezekiel 38:9 Thou (Gog and Magog) shalt ascend and come like a storm, thou shalt be like a cloud to cover the land, thou, and all thy bands, and many people with thee.
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The Book of Ezekiel discloses more:
Ezekiel 38:3 And say, Thus saith the Lord “I AM”; Behold, I [am] against thee, O Gog, the prince of Rosh, Meshech (Moscow) and Tubal (Tobolsk):
Ezekiel 38:4 And I will turn thee back, and put hooks into thy jaws (hunger), and I will bring thee forth, and all thine ARMY, horses and horsemen, all of them clothed with all sorts [of armour, even] a great company [with] bucklers and shields, all of them handling weapons of destruction (lightning):
Russia was once a Christian nation, but its people listened to the Red Devil (counterfeit-Jew) Bolsheviks and followed their schemes, promises of equality, and freedom. By doing this, they allowed the birth of anti-God communism (Rev. 6:4). They should have obeyed God’s Law; but they didn’t, and were cursed with famine, slave camps, and death. Now, Russia is made up of at least three generations of people who grew up under man’s oppression, with little knowledge of God. Germany also listened and followed the Anti-christ Hitler, and his Marxist ideas (Rev. 13:11). Now, the West is listening to Zionists; and will experience a similar fate for their treason against God, because that big 200 million-man ARMY that John saw in Revelation 9:17 is Russia’s army that God “will bring forth”, combined with the Chinese and their allies.
“And thus I saw the horses in the vision, and them that sat on them, having breastplates of fire, and of jacinth, and brimstone: and the heads of the horses [were] as the heads of lions; and out of their mouths issued fire and smoke and brimstone (sulphur)(Rev. 9:17).”
Ezekiel 38:5-7 Persia, Ethiopia, and Libya with them; all of them with shield and helmet: Gomer, and all his bands; the House of Togarmah of the north quarters, and all his bands: [and] many people with thee. Be thou prepared, and prepare for thyself, thou, and all thy company that are assembled unto thee, and be thou a guard unto them.
They are gathering nations to join their side to DEFEAT the West, which isn’t hard to do, because many countries hate the West and its Babylonian market-lifestyle that has sucked the life out of them. For decades, the blood, sweat and tears of third world countries have fed the beast-system/market-system, so that the West could live lavishly and constantly boast about how powerful it is; and ask, “Who could make war against us with our wealthy, market-system beast? Hoorah! U-S-A! U-S-A! U-S-A!” It’s a hell of a beast; and everyone is drunk off lies.
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Russia got drunk off the lies for a while; but they quickly sobered up. They realized after the fall of the USSR in 1991 that life under capitalism wasn’t all it was cracked up to be. What they experienced was a few power-players and wealthy investors buying up their country in a fire-sale, promising lies, with vain imaginations – again. The people remained oppressed and controlled by a few counterfeit-Jew elite. They are now very anti-American and anti-European, because they understand what Americans are slowly becoming aware of – the market-beast is truly a monster. Unfortunately, Westerners have praised it for far too long:
Revelation 13:4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who [is] like unto the beast? who is able to make war against it?
We’ve got to realize something: We went to war in the Middle East for the Market-System, so that it could eventually COMPLETELY, and corporally, enslave us all. And it’s a Beast that we constantly have to feed with market-system mechanisms, labor, buying/selling, licenses/fines, and using up all our natural resources to keep it alive. It’s based on a satanic, material/mammon way of life – which is a far cry from building up heavenly treasures (Matt. 6:19-24). Let’s face it; we don’t want the Beast to die, because we love it; and will kill for it (Rev. 13:15). How many have died around the world for not accepting our lewd way of life, our central banks – our demoncrazy ideology? Our way of life hasn’t been Godly for decades.
Matthew 6:24 No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and materialism.
We are holding on to the beast; and God is furious with us, “Then shall He speak unto them in His wrath, and terrify them in His fury (Psalm 2:5).” And if you think He doesn’t hate, then apparently you haven’t read the Bible, because it outlines many things God hates. For example:
Proverbs 6:16 These six [things] doth the “I AM” hate: yea, seven [are] an abomination unto him:
Proverbs 6:17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
Proverbs 6:18 An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,
Proverbs 6:19 A false witness [that] speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.
These Proverbs TELL us God hates FALSE FLAG events.
The false flags of 9/11 and 7/7 could have only been done by insiders – rich, arrogant fools, who lie through their teeth, shed innocent blood, and give us fantastical accounts of their mischievous deeds, blaming others – all to make us hate one another.
This NWO plan has to stop. And it’s going to stop…
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All hail the savior Putin! http://redefininggod.com/2015/12/globalist-prophecy-watch-update-3-is-vladimir-putin-the-jewish-messiah/
January 6, 2016 – 24th day of Kislev on God’s calendar –
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XwKzrj1p0fw
Putin is an orthodox Christian and Russia is not Gog or Magog.
Pennywise is correct, “gog an magog” is “satan and his armies” … whoever they may be…. the political powers playing around are not the same as the BLOODLINES ad NATIONS described by the Book. Come now Abdiel, dont you know there is a total other interpretation of Ezekiel 38? o well, let me give you a clue, if LIBYA goes SOUTH, till they caint no more, where they at? DUUUURHHHH maps an stuff, and who is put? and gomer? and like aint the top 3rd of afrika occupied by muuuslims, and very south of them, a interesting people,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Blood_River
with Set APart Bloodlines, they who fought Ephraim in the great war of 1899-1902,
but anyway, let us just see how it all pans out,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maVbfPjUARs
Jonathan Anthony Hill ( JAR) is an ANTICHRIST and ‘ false ‘ prophet.
Williams and Abdiel Freeman are his disciples.
Williams targeted me and he tried to recruit me into this Satanist cult.
He very nearly suceeded in getting me to go to this Satanist site. Once there I could of easily been indoctrinated and subsequently lost my soul to the devil.
He targeted me because I said that I could be persuaded to change my views.
He read that I admired Richard and he used that friendship as bait.
He was annoyed with Mayhem, because Mayhem told me to always check the facts before deciding what the truth is.
But, he made some crucial errors, which I was fortunate to spot. Firstly, he attacked Mayhem in a comment. Also I said I had read some of this JAH guy’s book ( Show me the way home…) and I laughed about what I had read. Suddenly all Mayhems andmy comments were downvoted.
Now read if you will all Williams comments towards myself, and notice how he tries to be my friend, and lure me onto this Satanic site.
Secondly, Beef Supreme stated that this guy was the false messiah. Suddenly, Williams, Abdiel Freeman and some Rolo guy ( although he was more deceptive) started to attack Beef Supreme, stating that he was ignorant of scripture and it’s meaning. This was an absolute ridiculous statement to make!
So people Beware! of these Satanic disciples and their clever ways of recruiing you to this Satanic cult. Is this JAH fellow really an Antichrist, I think he is! And if you read his book you will think so also, I’m sure! This is exactly how an Antichrist would operate. Recruiting followers of Jesus, and changing their mindset and beliefs. It’s very clever, in my opinion. Remember, Satan is the great deceiver. And today Williams tried to deceive me.
These guys have been SUSSED! And I’ll be repeating these allegations on every thread I see these WEASELS on. I hope others do the same. I fully, expect them to change their names, open more accounts and change tactics.
This is serious people, these deceivers are very DANGEROUS!
No, Cobra.
I was just being friendly and gave you a couple of links to check out. However, you appear to be quite fearful, superstitious and highly unstable.
Get a grip.
No no and no. You’ve been brainwashed into a cult Williams. You weren’t giving me a couple of links, you lot are on a recruitment drive. I don’t fear anything pal, and I’m not superstitious about anything, apart from saluting magpies.Anyway, I don’t give a s××t about this site anymore, it’s full of completely deranged individuals and lunatics. So there’s plenty of recruitment potential for you to exploit. You’re quite clever and there’s loads of idiots on here so you should have a bonanza.
This site is no fun anymore now that Richard has left, I hope he’s only joking but if he goes, then I’m going as well. I’ll wait and see for a bit first, before making a decision.
So Williams, have fun,I can’t be bothered exposing you lot, it’s a waste of my time and effort.
Cobra
This site has many views and people with agendas, the ones you like listen too and the ones you don’t discard ..
I read it most days and sometimes post comments but I wouldn’t say its a place for healthy debate if your looking for that you will be disappointed.
Cheers Matt. Wise words indeed! I will consider what you’ve just said, I may need to change my approach, in regards to all the trash on here!
Hi Cobra
Stick at it you will get the measure of this site and it can be entertaining in a strange way ….
I’ve just read your bio Matt. I think we’re on the same page in regards to most things . I think what annoys me most on this site, is the people who have no scientific or engineering background, who postulate their theories as proof. I’ve just read one guy stating that nuclear power is a lie, no atomic bombs were dropped on Japan, and that you can safely eat uranium . I’d love to be able to explain the science behind how things work, but it’s impossible on here. I just end up calling them stupid, if I see these type of comments. I don’t feel good in myself taking this approach, so what should I do? Any advice? I don’t feel ignoring it is an option, but it may be the only solution. Other than that I’ll have to leave this site.
Cobra
I made the same mistakes few years back on here thinking you could reason with fact/evidence… This is no Academia
We are both in UK so will be in the minority on here I think
Matt, do you think it’s just an American thing then? Do you just ignore their comments?
Hi Cobra
We don’t have to much of the end of the world Christian agenda in the UK so it interesting to see it on here. I have said many times the really frightening thing though, is that many Christians are actually excited about starting a Holy War with the Muslims just so that the events of Revelation will unfold. Aside from the obvious lunacy of this expectation (it is clearly yet another spurious interpretation designed to fit an agenda), what if they get their holy war, and Christ still doesn’t return? What then?
Cheers Matt. See you around!
Cobra, are you completely nuts? I did not try to “recruit” you into anything. I’ve been brainwashed into in a cult? Really? O, that’s fresh. You are obviously a paranoid lunatic.
I suppose, that earlier post of yours, where you wrote about being possessed and all that should have warned me. Instead, I decided (now I see it was foolishly) to strive and respond to you in a kind, non-judgemental way, as best I know how. And offer you the best help that I know.
But it should in fact have stopped me from talking to you any further, as has now become clear.
So let me make one thing clear – these posts are absolutely not about “recruiting” (??) anyone into anything – that is a very stupid, ignorant and fear-based statement that you made. But, I guess it should come as no surprise.
My posts are only meant to help get the knowledge out to others and part of my attempt at helping to expose the lies of organised religions (all of them – including FALSE “christianity”) that the people behind all the organised religions use to enslave everyone.
So, if you are so afraid of this and therefore rather want to be a slave, then fine, that YOUR choice. But in passing judgment, on something you have not even read is just plain stupid and ignorant.
It is clearly not meant for you. So just move on.
Williams. I have read some of the book. I downloaded it weeks ago from Abdiel Freeman. I will proberly readit all at some point . Some of it is quite funny. Lol.
However, this Jah fella thinks he is the messiah. Since you call him the Master, then you are also a disciple of his, and I presume you also think he is the Messiah. This to me then is nothing more than a cult. And since,you are on the BINs seeking to get people to go to his site, then you are on a recruitment drive. And yyou don’t like it because Beef Supreme and myself have exposed what your real intentions on this site are.
You can deny it all you like, but the facts are the facts. You tried to recruit me and you weren’t successful. So now your trying to accuse me of things that I’m not, because you a a bitter person!
You’re a member of a CULT and you have been brainwashed.
Have a nice day!
Williams. You say that you are kind and non-judgemental. And then judge me as fearful, unhinged, paranoid, nuts, superstitious and unhinged.
This proves that you are totally judgemental and not a kind person at all, thus you are the opposite of what you say you are. You could of just defended your position, but then you had to throw insults and accusations into the mix as well.
So Williams, you are not only a member of a cult who has been brainwashed, but you are TOTALLY judgemental and are not a very kind person at all!
Have a nice day!
Cobra, you wrote:
“You say that you are kind and non-judgemental.”
I did not say that. YOU did. Here is what I wrote, and I quote:
“Instead, I decided (now I see it was foolishly) to STRIVE and respond to you in a kind, non-judgemental way, as best I know how.” Notice I the word STRIVE.
So, not only are you clearly a paranoid lunatic, you are also a LIAR and thereby, trying to deceive others on here by trying to put words into my mouth.
Did you do this one your own, or did you get help? I can’t help but wonder if someone has put you up to this. Just know, by writing these lies, you ARE serving Satan, friend. You are GREATLY deceived.
It is standard operating procedure for Satan, who is also the one who possesed you and has now also made you say these evil things and a lot of other things that are not true.
Stop it! Not just for your own good, but also for that of others, who might be deceived by your lies.
Since it has now been proven that you clearly lied, it also means that NOTHING else you say can be trusted. End of story.
So basically, you’re admitting that you ARE a judgemental and you are not a kind person. This is quite clearly evidenced in your comments.
You said that you strive not to be this way, but if that is the case, then you are not very successful in being this way are you?
You also accuse me of not having read the book, but I have read some of it, and my conclusions thus far, is that it is complete science fiction and that the author is a supremely arrogant person. Nethertheless, I find the book is a very entertaing read, and I will read it all at some point.
So to accuse me of not having read it is a falsehood.
You worship someone who is stating that he is the Messiah. So to accuse me of being a lunatic is plainly absurd. All your accusations show
that you are suffering from a psychological condition known as projection. Thus you accuse others of what you really are!
This Jah fellow is a false Messiah, and thus he is working for Satan. Since, you worship this false messiah, then you are a worshipper of Satan.
We can keep on arguing like this forever, for I am having immence fun in exposing you for what you really are!
A deceptive worshipper and recruiter for Satan, and someone who pretends to be nice, so you can achieve this objective!
I look forward to your reply
Cobra. It does not matter whether I was being successful at it, or not. At least I was being truthful. Unlike you.
You can look forward to it all you like. You’re not getting any more replies. Because it’s not even YOU I’m talking to. It’s Satan, speaking through you to, just wasting time.
Luke
4:33 And in the church there was a man, which had a spirit of an unclean devil, and cried out with a loud voice,
4:34 Saying, Let [us] alone; what have we to do with thee, [thou] Jesus “Nazir” (“Truth”)? art thou come to destroy us? I know thee who thou art; the Holy One of God.
4:35 And Jesus rebuked him, saying, Hold thy peace, and come out of him. And when the devil had thrown him in the midst, he came out of him, and hurt him not.
No I didn’t lie , and your only defence is that once sentence I gave. Notice I didn’t use quotation marks. So saying you strive to be something that I clearly show you are not., ie kind and non- judgemental shows that you are the one showing deception, because you didn’t strive at all, you were just being deceptive by making that statement.
I’ve accused you of worshiping a false messiah ( satanist), and you’ve not put up a defence against this accusation at all. Instead all you’ve done is throw insults at me which I shall clearly show in my next comment as being a known psychological condition known as projection.
One example I shall give is your accusation of lying which I have shown above is an incorrect statement. But you accused me of passing judgement on a book that I hadn’t read. This is clearly not true, as I have read enough of the book to be able to conclude that it is science important fiction- although it is a good read. Beef Supreme has also stated that further into the book the author states that he is the Messiah.
So it is you that is lying and therefore you are GUILTY of projection!
You’re not giving me any more replies because you can’t defend yourself against my accusation that you worship a false Messiah, who is fact a Satanist.
So you’re giving up and surrendering, and I was just getting warmed up.
But be warned I shall be getting direct quotes from that book. Everytime I see you or Freeman post a link to it I shall place a comment directly underneath quoting excerpts from it. Everytime isee you link to this false Messiah I shall repeat my accusation that he is in fact a satanic false Messiah. I shall also repeat my accusation that you are actively recruiting on this website, in order to get people to join this satanic cult.
I shall leave you both alone, if you refrain from doing this- the choice is yours!
Now let me get on to my point about you suffering from a known psychological condition known as PROJECTION.
1. You accused me of being under the influence of satan, however as I have previously shown you worship a false Messiah who is obviously under the influence of satan. So you are therefore guily of PROJECTION.
2. You accused me of lying when I have shown in the above comment is false.However, also in the above comment I have clearly shown that you made a false statement. Therefore you are guilty of PROJECTION.
3. You also accused me of deception but you have presented no evidence to back up this accusation, however I have accused you of deceptive behaviour which I present the evidence in my top comment. Therefore you’re guilty of PROJECTION.
4. You call me a lunatic but it is you that has lost his marbles in the fact that you are worshipping a false Messiah. Therefore you are guilty of PROJECTION.
5. You call me unhinged but it is clearly you who is unhinged by all the insults you have thrown and the fact that you believe this man to be the Messiah. Therefore you are guilty of PROJECTION.
6. You state that I am nuts but it is you that is clearly crazy, because you believe this man to be the Messiah. Therefore you are guilty of PROJECTION.
Finally, I repeat my accusation that that you belong to a satanic cult , have been brainwashed by a man who claims to be the Messiah, but is really under the influence of satan. And that you have been on this website actively trying to recruit people to join this satanic cult.
You know what I’m saying is true by the very fact that you have not been able to refute the allegation that this man calls himself the Messiah and you have admitted he is your master.
” supreme excellence consists of breaking your enemies resistance without fighting”
ART OF WAR Sun Tzu (544-496 BC)
Oh btw, for anyone still reading. Insults and accusations don’t affect me in the slightest, , like water off a ducks back. I pretend to be hurt, it is part of my strategy. I like to give my opponents a false sense of superiority, so they make mistakes, which I can then use against them. I needed Williams to accuse me of deceit, so I could use the projection argument against him. Haha! Lol. Im very cunning. I Always win my arguments because I use alot of underhand tactics and I’m very patient. However, I will surrender, if I deserve to.
With my friends on this site, however, if they say something negative to me, then it is because it is probably true. Then it will affect me of course, and make me rethink things.
Have I been too hard on Williams, yes in a way, and I’m sure deep down he is a decent human being, however he is foolish in believing this guy isa messiah.. All the Satan stuff, I was having a laugh, the guy just suffers from self delusion more like, but you never know!
I’m taking a couple of weeks off bin, and I shall reflect and change my attitude to others a bit when I return. I’ve come onto bin with all guns blazing due to my inexperience with regards to commentating. So on my return I might be a little bit nicer.
Cobra,
Its been a few days now and it came to mind to write one more reply to you here.
First, please realise, that taking what I wrote to you here in the replies personally – including and especially, what I wrote to you about Satan – is a mistake, so do not take it personally.
The reason not to take it personally, is because that actually happens to EVERYONE here, so, it was not said to single you out, however, your false accusations demanded that it HAD to be said. He actually does it to everyone, often without people realising it is happening to them, but also because the ego won’t let a person admit it.
It now APPEARS like BIN is censoring Abdiel Freeman’s articles, which if they are, just means they are taking the coward’s way out and afraid of the truth. I say APPEARS. Time will tell.
As to what you wrote about me, it matters not to me what you wish to accuse me of, even though it is not true. Sad to say it, but I’m pretty used to that, by now.
“All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.” – Arthur Schopenhauer.
We are not satanists. We champion God’s Cause, and promote the keeping of His Commandments and His Laws.
So, calling us satanists, when we are here championing God’s Cause and His Laws, is therefore very obviously a false accusation/attack/slander (exactly what you would expect satan to say) because it is the exact opposite of the reality. (See Isaiah 5:20).
So, hopefully I’m wrong about BIN appearing to censor and it was it just a glitch on BIN, regarding Abdiel Freeman’s last article, and not BIN stooping to such lows as censorship.
But as always, time will tell.
Cobra,
Its been a few days now and it came to mind to write one more reply to you here.
First, please realise, that taking what I wrote to you here in the replies personally – including and especially, what I wrote to you about Satan – is a mistake, so do not take it personally.
The reason not to take it personally, is because that actually happens to EVERYONE here, so, it was not said to single you out, however, your false accusations demanded that it HAD to be said. He actually does it to everyone, often without people realising it is happening to them, but also because the ego won’t let a person admit it.
It now APPEARS like BIN is censoring Abdiel Freeman’s articles, which if they are, just means they are taking the coward’s way out and afraid of the truth. I say APPEARS. Time will tell.
As to what you wrote about me, it matters not to me what you wish to accuse me of, even though it is not true. Sad to say it, but I’m pretty used to that, by now.
“All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.” – Arthur Schopenhauer.
We are not satanists. We champion God’s Cause, and promote the keeping of His Commandments and His Laws.
So, calling us satanists, when we are here championing God’s Cause and His Laws, is therefore very obviously a false accusation/attack/slander (exactly what you would expect satan to say) because it is the exact opposite of the reality. (See Isaiah 5:20).
So, hopefully I’m wrong about BIN appearing to censor and it was it just a glitch on BIN, regarding Abdiel Freeman’s last article, and not BIN stooping to such lows as censorship.
But as always, time will tell.
You said: If you think Russia isn’t going to strike back, then you’re clueless on Biblical prophecy. Actually you are the one that is clueless on Bible Prophecy. For many reasons, but the main one is this. In the Book of Revelation, the 7 seals, 7 trumpets, and 7 bowl judgments are opened IN SEQUENCE, one to seven. You simply Cannot take something from the 6th trumpet and apply it to today because that is still in the future, and happens AFTER the 7 seals, and the other 5 trumpets. This is why your story has no scriptural relevance what so ever. If you want to know the sequence of events and what happens at each find out at ItsHisStory.com
Your prophetic analysis is way out of scriptural cronological orde because you hear a bell ringing without knowledge which bell rang.
Yes, and there is also another scenario.
With All the Rapes, and beatings taking place in western countries.
All this looks like to have been pre-planned, by design.
The Infiltrators placed Young military aged Muslims in strategic locations within all western countries.
What is going now is nothing, just wait until the real Chaotic Carnage Starts.
Rumours are going Viral, about the Massive 34 Muslim Countries that formed huge Armed Forces that are now fully formed, even with Air-Lift, full air force. Each branch of this Military is fully equipped.
The Military Might was formed under the Guise of fighting terrorist, in their eyes (Muslim Coalition) America/Americans/western countries are the terrorist. When they formed this coalition they Very Openly Invited all Terrorist Groups. When People have been told out in the open what is going on, they do not understand it, or could care less. Although when FaceBook, and twitter goes off line, and power grids, maybe they will get up from their chairs, and look out the windows, Ehhhhh, You think?
As everyone is witness to all these rapes, and Beatings taking place in western countries by these Military age men from the MID-EAST. Note: there was no reason to displace these people in the first place. Some say war, and conflict is the reason, then what was the reason for war, and conflict? It was not for Oil, except for Turkey stealing, and looting. For those of you that think Turkey is in alliance with the UN/USA your in for a rude awakening.
This Muslim coalition army is geared up ready to invade, and Infiltrators that came in under the guise of refugees are already strategically in place.
Some have a very good Idea what group is behind this design/campaign.
They most likely will launch a full invasion, using the Blind Eye/Look the Other Way tactics, along with jamming of civilian airports radars.
They would launch a massive strike, filling the skies with thousands of para troopers, and equipment, weapons, etc.
They do not care about winning, but they could create Massive Chaotic Carnage in a short time.
Everyone has always talked about Russia, or China Invading, No it will be a Red Dawn Muslim type Invasion.
They have all the planes they need to Load Thousand upon thousands of troops. It would take days for a country to regroup to fight off an attack like this, by then the damage will have been done.
Although if something like this happened in America, invaders would be in for a surprise, although there still would be much carnage.
What do you think all these So Called Muslim Refugees will be doing? Why do you think these refugees are raping & Beating People? maybe they know what is about to take place.
Hopefully this will not happen, although something is going on, nothing is making sense any more.
Good Luck, and keep your eyes on the sky
If you think muslims are the real threat you`re as dumb as the rest of the sheeple.
Biggest danger is Apocalyptic Christians who have been missenterpreting the Bible for years
Yes, but they all think they’re right and everybody else is wrong!
I believe in a Creator God, the 10 commandments and the moral teachings of Jesus Christ Divine Son of God. Everything else is background noise in my honest opinion, including Revelation. You lot on BIN are confusing me in the extreme, with your endless witterings. The only person on this site who has a clear grasp of scripture and it’s meaning is Beef Supreme, and I defer to him.
Please people, the only important thing is to be morally good, be positive and enjoy your life whatever your beliefs.
I am with you Cobra on the concepts of a creator and Beef is always good and well informed posts,I think a lots of doomsday posters on here don’t even understand what Armageddon means
Come to mention it. I don’t think I’ve ever read a comment from Beef regarding Revelation, in all the short time I’ve been on this site- funny that! I’ve heard an awful lot of it from other commentators and posters though!
Revelation was for first century Christians living under the Antichrist Nero,Beef wouldn’t trouble himself with it he likes something more juicy
If you want to see what BEEF has to say on Revelation, just say something like:
“Everything else is background noise. in my honest opinion, including Revelation.”
That’s sure to get his spidey senses ringing.
i imagine that you say this because you, like the rest of those you might have noticed from “BEEF’s crowd” here (or the 12 monkeys, is that still a thing?), admit to having a difficult time understanding it? Or is it because you don’t think that Revelation is what it purports itself to be?
But I might not have “a clear grasp of scripture and it’s meaning” so if you want to wait for the BEEF to see this, so be it.
Salty. Me and you share quite a few interests as well, after reading your bio. Du hast es richtig, mein freund. Hoffentlich, die zukunft will sehr gut sein.Gibst du bitte mal das Salz ruber? Salty!
Cobra
Alle gut an für mich da , wo hast du Deutsch lernen
Scanner. Both of your assumptions are correct! And the more time I spend on this site, the more confused I am becoming, and the less convinced I am that it is going to happen any day soon. Sad to say, but I’m beginning to think that this whole Revelation event is just a money making enterprise. Jesus would not be pleased by this!
Salty. Ich war in Deutschland fur zwei jahren. Ich habe in eine Stadt heist Ulm, zwischen Munchen und Stuttgart, am Donau gewohnt. Dahin, habe ich ausgrabungsarbeit (archaeology) gemacht.
Scanner Darko
So if none of what we understand in Revelation is true, then what is the book for? Simply to bolster the faith of the Christians that were undergoing severe persecution in Rome at the hands of its most vicious emperor. The Book of Revelation was written under the context that Rome would be the final empire upon earth based on John’s interpretation of Daniel’s dreams.
In John’s mind, Rome fit the bill as the last terrible beast. This is the reason why nothing in Revelation speaks to anything specific to our day and age beyond the times of the terrible persecution of the Christians in Rome. Now Rome is no longer a one world government. It has been reduced to a tiny autonomous state in Italy called the Vatican. It was toppled by its own undoing – not by that of any supernatural messiah. It exists now only as a relic of the past.
John could not write the book of Revelation as explicitly as he wanted to. As such, he had to rely on the use of an old Hebrew poetic technique that relied heavily on metaphors to get the message across without being discovered. That’s why he wrote Revelation in a language that only the Christians of the time would understand. That’s why he uses symbolism that only those Christians would follow. That is why it is so difficult to understand it in context today.
If John were to write in plain language like much of the rest of the New Testament and Roman Soldiers got a hold of it, he would have surely been put to a premature death. But as is, the Book of Revelation would appear to them to be little more than the gibberish ramblings of a mad man on the verge of insanity. They would just ignore it and pass it along to his friends.
However, the Book of Revelation accomplished its job so well, that now we have a runaway train in Christianity (only one of many) where people have looked into the book and failed to account for the obvious purpose of its construction. The reason why this happens is that in order to sell Christianity to the world, there has to be an eternal hope to look forward to.
…and what better book to do that than Revelation.
Cobra
Wo etwa in der Welt bist du?
Britain!
Cobra
I have spent time in London and Liverpool 20 years ago…
Cobra, most people look at Revelation and typically think that it is either so full of enigmas and far-out speech that it would just be best to avoid it altogether or that they should simply follow another man’s opinion because they believe that to be their only other option. Generally, I avoid the subject because most folk here fall in to this second category and will vehemently defend their preacher man all while their ability to reason quickly becomes ever-decreasing. Unless you’re the reincarnation of Herbert Armstrong or Ellen White, or unless you come in the spirit of Steve Quaylude or who-have-you, they ain’t gonna listen!
So perhaps, then, you could identify what you think it is about the Book of Revelation that doesn’t quite fit with everything you read from the previous 65 Books?
Think about it like this: If the Book of Revelation is the ONLY Book whereby we can receive a blessing when we read it, then what is the one Book that you think Satan might concentrate on getting us NOT to read?
Salty,
“So if none of what we understand in Revelation is true, then what is the book for?”
Who says that we don’t understand anything about Revelation? I certainly don’t.
Like the Old Testament, Revelation proclaims a message. When speaking about Revelation, we should know that the message pertains to the Return – judgement and redemption, before the fullness of the Kingdom is established. A stern message of compassion that naturally flows from beginning to end – from “Genesis to the maps”.
What do you mean “what is the book for? REVELATION, Salty! There are many bread crumps spread about in those pages. Surely you don’t expect them all to be fed by spoon? You must investigate these bread crumps with your mind removed from social restrains. Investigate these breads crumbs.
“The Book of Revelation was written under the context that Rome would be the final empire upon earth based on John’s interpretation of Daniel’s dreams.”
Let me ask you this: do you see a connection between Rome and Judaism and how to do you feel about the Talmud and the Kabbalah?
“In John’s mind, Rome fit the bill as the last terrible beast. This is the reason why nothing in Revelation speaks to anything specific to our day and age beyond the times of the terrible persecution of the Christians in Rome. Now Rome is no longer a one world government. It has been reduced to a tiny autonomous state in Italy called the Vatican. It was toppled by its own undoing – not by that of any supernatural messiah. It exists now only as a relic of the past.”
Your assumption is almost entirely wrong, and I defer from providing an answer until I see where you stand in relation to the Rome/Judaism/Esau connection. This has been be the subject of discussion a lot lately so I’m a bit surprised to see you cheering for BEEF after a statement like this. Seems like you are kind of new here too. Really, you’ve found yourself here and still see no connection between Babylonian worship, the Roman Rite, and Kabbalah?
“John could not write the book of Revelation as explicitly as he wanted to. As such, he had to rely on the use of an old Hebrew poetic technique that relied heavily on metaphors to get the message across without being discovered.”
Either the Bible is what it says it is, or it’s the worst thing man has ever created. Revelation either is what it says it is, or it is not. You can’t have it both ways. Either John wrote that back without any help, or those words were given to him. You say you believe in a creator, so who’s your creator?
“That’s why he wrote Revelation in a language that only the Christians of the time would understand.”
Is that so… From whose blog did you get this idea, or is this an empty statement crafted by your own attempt to understand Revelation? Opinions like this won’t be moving this discussion along as fast as you might think it should.
“If John were to write in plain language like much of the rest of the New Testament and Roman Soldiers got a hold of it, he would have surely been put to a premature death. But as is, the Book of Revelation would appear to them to be little more than the gibberish ramblings of a mad man on the verge of insanity. They would just ignore it and pass it along to his friends.”
…yeah, maybe you can do a better job of eliminating these subjective claims with your next post. Fog, salty. Remove the fog. Do you think Paul wrote in plain language?
“However, the Book of Revelation accomplished its job so well, that now we have a runaway train in Christianity (only one of many) where people have looked into the book and failed to account for the obvious purpose of its construction. The reason why this happens is that in order to sell Christianity to the world, there has to be an eternal hope to look forward to.”
Man-made religions, salty. Did I miss that part in the Bible, or Revelation, telling us to join a movement called “Christianity”?
Salty, I put my reply to you in the wrong place just below thoths comment. Good little conversation we have going on here fellas. Nice and relaxing, gentle conversation- this is what I love about BIN most!
Scanner. It’s not that I don’t believe in the book of Revelation, I do. It’s when it is going to occur, that’s the problem as I see it. From what I understand of it, I think the NWO has be implemented first- ie Satan in total control, and the mark of the Beast (implant barcoding, no more paper money) put on the people. To refuse this mark would require a huge sacrifice by that person- how would they survive? Remember, the 2 witnesses deaths are rejoiced by all the peoples of the world!
First there has to be a great war- out of chaos comes order, and a single religion imposed on the world. Somehow, the past has to be gradually erased for this to realistically happen.
Remember also, that the world shadow governments agenda has been going on for hundreds of years- ie they’re very patient.
Tbh, in the near future, I just don’t see all these things being in place . Therefore it might not happen for another 30, 50 or 100 years. Maybe I’m wrong about this, who knows for sure. What I do know is that there are a lot of false prophets around at this present time, who are cashing in, and who are becoming wealthy on the back of all this
So in conclusion, Scanner. The Bible is important, but I like to concentrate my thoughts on the moral teachings of Jesus Christ Divine Son of God, and the 10 commandments, and try to be a better person than I was in the past- I wasn’t that bad though! Is it really important to have an encyclopedic scriptoral knowledge of everything else. Does that really matter in the grand scheme of things- is God going to punish me for being lazy in this respect!
Everybody on this site seem to be in a constant state of argument regarding all the other scripture in the Bible, but aren’t they all missing the main point. I’ve known many people who have been Christians etc who quite frankly are hypocrites and morally bankrupt. A great example is Tony Blair, who in my opinion is a religeous imposter.
If you try to do in life, as Jesus instructed us to be, then you are a true follower of Christ. Like I said previously everything else is background noise compared to that goal.
Cobra wrote:
“Sad to say, but I’m beginning to think that this whole Revelation event is just a money making enterprise. Jesus would not be pleased by this!”
Because Revelation is not easy to comprehend, it is very often used as a tool for self-promotion or shameless money-making. There is no question about that.
Salty wrote:
“Revelation was for first century Christians living under the Antichrist Nero,Beef wouldn’t trouble himself with it he likes something more juicy…”
What you say is true, but it misses the bigger scriptural picture: ALL of prophecy in Scripture has an imperfect and a perfect fulfillment. Everything gets done twice. Did you read about the Second Exodus (yet future) which, after it comes to pass, no one will ever again mention the first? That should give you some idea. After the BEAST rises, no one will ever think to mention Nero’s name again. Did you read Job when he said – ‘YHWH speaks once, yea twice, but men perceive it not’? Certain prophecies from the Book of Revelation DID apply to Nero. But Nero was only a TYPE of the Beast. The Beast which rises out of the sea has not been ‘born’ yet. That Beast is yet to come. Scripture teaches us the approximate time for when we can expect the birth of the Beast, just as Scripture teaches us an approximate time-line for the unfolding of events as they are described in the Book of Revelation. Those events are coming, salty. All of them. They are close, but they are not yet imminent.
“So if none of what we understand in Revelation is true, then what is the book for?”
EVERY WORD of prophecy in that Book is perfectly true. We see the entities named in that Book beginning to assemble themselves, exactly as it is written. How, Salty, can we have in this world a system whereby no man may buy or sell without permission of the Beast System, unless we have a ubiquitous digital commerce network and electronic forms of payment ONLY? That is, a cashless society. That has NEVER happened, historically speaking. That prophecy is not perfectly fulfilled. But it will be. And a Book that was written some two-thousand years ago, said it would be happening some two-thousand years hence. Is that sort of thing just a coincidence to you? Revelation predicts a cashless society. There are no two ways about it. Take a look around you. Is a cashless society coming? Is it very close to being rolled out in stages across the globe? Ask Sweden. Ask Singapore.
“…Christians that were undergoing severe persecution in Rome at the hands of its most vicious emperor.”
True enough. But THE most vicious emperor has not yet taken ‘his’ throne. THE most vicious emperor is still coming.
“Now Rome is no longer a one world government.”
Have you considered Daniel’s interpretation of Nebuchadnezzar’s dream? The empire still exists. Two legs of the statue = two tentacles of the same entity. Which two powers are routinely accused of ruling the globe from behind the scenes in all of our most infamous conspiracy articles here in the BINs? And in the comment sections; which two? No one can agree on exactly WHICH power is ruling everything. Some say it’s the one; others say it’s the other. But Daniel already told us. He said there would be two.
“…a tiny autonomous state in Italy called the Vatican.”
Not too sure I agree with your detective work there, Salty. Vatican City may be small, but consider the extent to which that entity has its mitts in the global mix of things. Jesuits? Jesuit Universities? Jesuit spiritual advisers to heads of state? That doesn’t exactly equate with powerlessness.
“John could not write the book of Revelation as explicitly as he wanted to.”
John wrote as he was led by the Spirit. The Revelation of Jesus Christ to John the Apostle is God-breathed Scripture. Every word of it precise and true. To know that Book even partially, is to see the truth of it as unmistakable.
“…only the Christians of the time would understand.”
The other 65 Books in the Bible are all we need to lay bare the mysterious language of Revelation. Let the Bible define the terms used in Revelation. Let the Bible explain to you what John wanted us to know.
“…he would have surely been put to a premature death.”
Do you believe the Word of God? John was never put to death. John has never died.
Cobra wrote:
“It’s not that I don’t believe in the book of Revelation, I do. It’s when it is going to occur, that’s the problem as I see it.”
Do you know what the Jordan River represents? Death. The barrier between this world and the Promised Land. (That’s why John the Baptist baptized only in that river.) The officers of Israel said to the Israelites, on the day they first crossed Jordan into the earthly (shadow of the real) Promised Land:
Joshua 3:3-4
When ye see the Ark of the Covenant of the YHWH your God, and the priests the Levites bearing it, then ye shall remove from your place, and go after it. Yet there shall be a SPACE between you and it, about two thousand cubits by measure…
3:14
And it came to pass, when the people REMOVED FROM THEIR TENTS, to pass over Jordan, and the priests bearing the Ark of the Covenant before the people…
TENTS = earthly dwelling place. A tabernacle. A euphemism for our bodies of flesh, which we inhabit.
What is the (earthly) Ark of the Covenant if not the (earthly) representation of YHWH’s DWELLING-PLACE? What was Messiah if not YHWH’s dwelling-place here in this world? That dwelling-place (Messiah) has crossed the River of Death into the (heavenly) Promised Land, and we are told to follow Him by the space of about TWO THOUSAND CUBITS…
…is anyone hearing this?
Hosea 6:2
After Two Days will He revive us: in the Third Day He will raise us up, and we shall live in His sight.
2 Peter 3:8
But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
Now if that is so, and we are approximately 6000 years from the creation of Adam, then we are not far at all from the end of the age and the beginning of the Seventh Day – the Seventh Millennium – using the year for a day understanding of the original WEEK of Days outlined for us in the opening chapter of Genesis. That is, the period of 1000 years during which the Son of Man will rule the nations with a rod of iron, is not distant from us now by any measure. It will be the rest of YHWH and His people here on Earth, both alive and resurrected in the First Resurrection which commences at the return of the KING.
These things may not be upon us, and I do not believe they are, but they are close. My sense is that we (society) will have the biological and technological and capacity to birth the Beast within the next two decades.
Yowza. You see Scanner, both me and Beef Supreme have come independently to the same conclusions. That Revelation will happen but is not imminent, and that supposed Christians are cashing in on the event.
I believe the 2 main points with Revelations for when it is to occur is:
1. The mark of the beast- paperless money, using implants to do transactions.I think this is already starting to happen with the immigrants, with the UN involved in this. The other will be introduced over time. Ie Parents will be held irresponsible if they don’t chip their kids. And voluntary, people don’t want the hassle of money, cards- just wave your hand instead.
2. The 2 witnesses. Remember ALL the world rejoices when they die.So what do they say in order for the world to hate them. What sort of world is it that would hate two witnesses who will be rejoicing the imminent return of Christ. Or are they anarchists who are gaining popularity and preaching the overthrow of the whole elitist system. I must admit it is this issue that most piques my interest.
So Scanner, I do have my own opinions on this matter, but I do rely heavily on Beef Supreme and Richard, who are heavyweights of knowledge on theology. Although I’m a novice, at this present time, I am a very quick learner- that’s if my head doesn’t explode with all the conflicting knowledge being presented by people on this site. I might need to take a break from BIN in order to unscramble my head!
BEEF ” John never died ”
tell me more tell me more
like does he have a car.
can’t believe I just used lyrics from Grease – sheesh
anything more on that, John 21:22-23
“You see Scanner, both me and Beef Supreme have come independently to the same conclusions. That Revelation will happen but is not imminent, and that supposed Christians are cashing in on the event.”
Based on what I’ve read from you I thought that we could be above these nuances. The “conclusion” you say that you and BEEF have independently reached is rather obvious which is why I had chosen not to address it until now. I guess I’m not understanding why you are hung up on this when I’m trying to bring out why Revelation isn’t just background noise. We all know that man has turned everything to merchandise so are we ready to move on?
Come and go as you please, Cobra, but instead of noticing the discord try keeping an eye out for the folk who do agree.
In this thread there’s Beef, Scanner and Ephraim who are all on the same page and there’s nothing i need add apart from… hear hear gentlemen.
Scanner. I’m not hung up on the fact that we were in agreement, just that I didn’t know what Beefys views were regarding the timing of Revelation until then. Most people on this site believe Revelation is imminent, so I thought my view wasn’t shared by anyone else. Remember I’ve not been on this site very long so I don’t know, peoples theological views very well. Of course Revelation is an important matter, but it can bring a frenzied air
of negativity as well, with people living in a constant state of fear and agitation. Maybe I used the wrong words, in describing it as background noise, but I’m trying to be a better person, and I’m not sure how Revelation helps me become that. What I’m trying to say in a roundabout way is that I feel Jesus words are more important to me at this present time.
With regards to Beef, I’m not one of his acolytes. I personally follow Richard’s words and views more tbh. I find the guy very entertaining indeed and I’m always looking for the words and phrases that he mentions. This doesn’t mean I agree with everything he is saying, just that I find the guy fascinating- he does make me laugh!
As for yourself and Mayhem, I find you both to be very sensible and intelligent people, and I always enjoy it when you both discuss things with me. Mayhem stepped in one time when I was being viciously attacked by someone on a dead thread, and I’ll always be eternally grateful for his support that day
>Cobra: Armageddon, end of days, what ever you want to call it.
Right now most Governments, are also using those phrases, it makes a good smoke screen cover for their Agendas.
Also, it is used so the End of dazers, will open up their homes to massive amounts of military aged men, just to be beat, and raped by them.
It is a big excuse for everything that is happening.
Plain, and simple using your logic.
It is all said, and done, finished, zip, period.
Look at your words below, who thinks they are always right?
you stated everything else is back ground noise.
“Yes, but they all think they’re right and everybody else is wrong!
I believe in a Creator God, the 10 commandments and the moral teachings of Jesus Christ Divine Son of God. Everything else is background noise”
Notice he states, everything else is background noise.
Everyone has an opinion, You are free to believe what you want, although last time I checked BIN was not a total Bible School, and scripture website.
If you wish to go around thinking you are a Prophet, then so be it, although do not try to force it upon me, Like you said, you are background noise, right.
Cobra: “Please people, the only important thing is to be morally good, be positive and enjoy your life whatever your beliefs.”
Not so! Because, there is a Spiritual War going on and we are all a part of it, whether we realise it or not! To keep to the moral teachings of Christ Jesus by definition means that we HAVE to choose a side and then we have to Fight. We are here for a reason.
http://jahtruth.net/fightfor.htm
http://jahtruth.net/radio.htm
Anybody reading this including Beefy, then go to Jeffrey pritchets thread pronto. There is a Raven/ Crow taking a ride on the back of a bald eagle (USA ) /animals-pets/2016/01/photographer-captures-incredible-images-of-a-crow-riding-on-the-back-of-a-bald-eagle-mid-flight-photos-3-2456930.html
Crikey Sitrep what’s eating your goat! I’m not trying to force anything on on anyone. I’m certainly not a Prophet of any kind, and I was talking in relation to the Bible, not anything else. See the clue is in the title ‘ prophesy’ If you bother to read my words then you’ll see that I use the phrase ” in my opinion’ a lot, this doesn’t mean I’m right. You don’t have to bother reading my words if you don’t want to .Nobody asked to to join this comment section, that was your choice. I don’t bother reading your comments most of the time, for your situation report is mostly absurd, in my opinion. Alpha, Zulu, Wun, Niner and out
Williams. I used to fight all the time- I used to love fighting hand to hand.
I’ve grown up now and put that in the past . I’ll defend my family and friends to the death , if necessary. But I won’t be fighting anybodies battles, unless it’s like that ‘ 300′ film, and then I would gladly go into battle! As for a spiritual battle, then I’ll go to your link and read what it says. As to using words, then I can be as mean as hell! This is why I like Richard as his Viking bro’s so much!
Thanks for your reply, Cobra. Please see my reply to you down below. It would not let me post it here, so tried it as a new post below and that worked.
“I personally follow Richard’s words and views more tbh.”
I find that to be an interesting statement from you, Cobra, considering Richard’s frequent violent rhetoric, his more imminent views of death and destruction and the fact that he will more often than not defer Scriptural arguments to BEEF. Don’t get me wrong, Richard’s smart and I like the guy – I consider him a Brother -, but what he preaches doesn’t exactly line up with the philosophy you have contended to follow on this thread.
Your newbieness is showing but we’re all hear to learn from everyone else so no biggie. Let me just say that there is no man here nor anywhere else worth following but I think you already know that.
Hi Scanner. Let me try and explain. What I say is how I want to be in my personal life. Be happy, and get on with everyone I know, and be positive. And this is how my life is at present, life is very good to me at the moment.
On this site is a different matter entirely, and I love to debate and understand things better. Me and Richard get on very well together, and he has lots of interesting things to say. I love his dark humour, and while I don’t agree with everything he says, what he says doesn’t bother me in the slightest. I’ve been a bit hardcore myself in the past, so it’s not for me to judge other. Go to the crow on a bald eagle thread, and you will see that I have a dark humour myself. I’ve rubbed a few people up the wrong way since I’ve been on this site, but I don’t hold grudges. I’ve made a lot of jokes about people on this site, and some people do not like what I say. I’m a very black and white character, and can be kind and gentle at times.
But you probably already know all these things because you are a very smart and perceptive guy. You probably know me better than I know you!.
And yes you are correct in the fact that I don’t follow anybody, but people may be able to make me rethink and change my views. I’m not set in stone- the same applies to my behaviour on this site as well.
However, I’m no goody-two-shoes and will never be!
Thanx Scanner, I hope you read this and I haven’t just wasted my time writing this.
I don’t intend to be a waste of your time brotha.
“I don’t follow anybody, but people may be able to make me rethink and change my views. I’m not set in stone- the same applies to my behaviour on this site as well.”
Well said, I know yoos good people. Hell, I think it’s impossible to stay sane in the conspiracy world without having a dark sense of humor – nothing wrong with that, can’t say I don’t enjoy it at least.
Keep on keepin’ on.
Beef has Acolytes? Better not tell him that or he’ll likely go right off. I tried calling him “teacher”, early in the piece, and was soundly rebuked for my insipid platitude.
Do keep in mind, Cobra, that some of us have been trolling the bins for over five years and there exists a certain amount of familiarity between the brethren as well as the many combatants.
So when it seems that we’re going off half cocked on some poor guy there’s every chance that it’s not the first time they’ve had their arguments addressed.
You’ll get the hang of it but if you’re really here to learn then you ought to be fact checking everything because only then will you start to see who upholds truth and who is merely here to line their pockets.
Acolyte. That’s some kind of British tea biscuit, right?
Yeah, I have those. Chocolate and Almond, I think.
It’s good to see everyone around and making contributions. Good comments guys. It’s been a while since I’ve talked to ya’s. Hope all is well.
i UTTERLY AGREE WITH COBRA.
REVELATIONS!!!
Seven-fold Message of Revelation
Although the Book of Revelation contains much of what is still to come, certain fundamental teachings are found in it. One revelation that comes through very clearly is the definition of the True Worship, which is given in 7 places – the number of perfection. The True Worship rests on two fundamental principles, and the True Worshipper has to comply with these two requirements: To guard the commands of יהוה, and to believe in יהושע! We read this in Rev_12:17 and in Rev_14:12, and also in Rev_15:2-3 where the overcomers are described as those who sing the song of Mosheh (the Law) and the song of the Lamb (יהושע). Now for the other four witnesses: “Word,” “Command” and “Teaching” are very often used as parallel words, or synonyms, or interchangeably. See this for yourselves in Teh. 119:142, 151 & 160 / Psa_119:142, Psa_119:151, Psa_119:160. Compare also Teh. 119:105 / Psa_119:105 with Mish. 6:23 / Pro_6:23, and read Mish. 13:13 / Pro_13:13 as well. So let us look at these other four witnesses, in the light of what we have discussed. We find these other four witnesses in Rev_1:2, Rev_1:9, Rev_6:9 and Rev_20:4 – a total of seven perfect witnesses in the Book of Revelation!
7!!
7!!
7!!
BELIEF PLUS ADHERENCE, as cobras first post sed.
7 PERFECT WITNESSES TO WHAT WAS TAUGHT IN ISAIAH 8:20!!! THE BANNER!!! Psalm 144 the song!~ HOOHAA!
someone sed mah names? o yes, MINIONS, we have had minions our whole lives, in some way or another, minions aged between 10-18 are called “spice-weasels” and, i defer to Beef because he is here to bless, and i to curse, i am cursed, and i diggit, i go where yall dont need to, dirty jobs done dirt cheap, that kinda thing, got me a phat session of “Heaven Court” later, but im totally getting off, cause my Advocate is my Judge, so like wooohooo! im really only here for that “revenge for the battle of gibeah” party, which from what ive read and been promised, gets a wee bit outta hand and covers the globe.
and NONE of you lot are our minions, you are all BROS, equals and fellow servants of our Master Messiah JaHWeHShua, spelt however the phonetics eh, our j an y is the same, our MINIONS, are the skraeling.
BEHOLD MY MINIONS!!! they are NUMBERED WITHOU END! MWHAHAHAAA!
http://www.messynessychic.com/2013/12/27/the-heavy-metal-subculture-of-botswana-africa/
i got so many i dont know what to do with them,!!! MEGA cannon fodder! ESPECIALLY my NYAOPE BOYS!!! MWHAHAHAA! GIVE THAT NEGGER AN AK!
mwhahahaa, what is a “stick” ?
1 Saxon and his 10 skraeling. League of legends anyone? my creeps will NEVER RUN OUT MWHAHAAAAA
Scanner said:
“…12 monkeys, is that still a thing?”
I think it all fell apart when The Clucker failed to come through on the matching jackets.
I just thought we were going covert, Cluckmaster. And here, I thought I was still repping the 12 Monkeys… We don’t need jackets.
Mr Mayhem: “some of us have been trolling the bins for over five years and there exists a certain amount of familiarity between the brethren as well as the many combatants.”
And dare i say a modicum of love and genuine admiration.
“12 Monkeys… We don’t need jackets.”
And we don’t need no stinking badges either.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SuXajZP71Tw
“Biggest danger is apocalyptic Christians…”
Those most responsible for the sad state of the world are the Talmudic/Zionist/Khazarian AshkeNazi Jews. It is their lobby groups who purchase both sides of American congress and presidential candidates in order to dictate American foreign policy, which involves destabilizing countries who exist between the Nile and Euphrates rivers (greater Israel). Purchasing politicians with campaign contributions also ensures that the apartheid state of Israel will continue to receive more than 3 billion US tax dollars annually in illegal foreign aid and their military stockpiles will continue to be replenished, allowing them to continue their genocidal efforts against the Palestinians.
These scumbags also own the media, which allows them to program the public mind into believing whatever suits their evil agenda. Whether it be lies to manufacture public consent for the ongoing illegal wars in the M.E., pushing the destructive ideology of political correctness which involves catering to vast minorities and undermining the majority rule foundation of democracy, nothing is done by accident, these parasites have an evil agenda.
They were able to gain such dominance over America by gaining control over the issuance of American currency. By controlling the financial capital of a nation, eventually one can usurp control of all profitable industry and government. Everything requires financial capital and by controlling that, eventually you can control everything. The fact that the federal reserve is and always has been a Jew-ish owned and operated establishment is well known by all who have studied the subject independently and even the Times of Israel published an article a couple months back, confirming the Jewish origins of the federal reserve.
The worst part of all this, is that America is not the first country they have done this to. They did the same thing in Britain, Germany, Russia, China, they have enormous influence in Canada, Austrailia, France, etc. The NWO agenda is a Talmudic agenda. Most apocalyptic Christians are Zionist evangelists and yes, they’re a problem, but they’re simply a catalyst for something much bigger, and much worse.
Don’t like London, and I’m from Manchester originally, and the Scousers and the Mancunians don’t really get along- ever since the Manchester Ship Canal was built, which meant Liverpool docks wasn’t needed, for the cotton trade. They’ve been bitter about it ever since. But I like Liverpudians!
Oh, your real smart. If you have something to say cough it up.
What is your view. I pointed out facts.
Sure, China, and Russia could invade, although why should they if they see western countries being infiltrated from within.
So come on what is the real threat?
Sitrep
First of all, I realize I am not the one you are addressing here, so please pardon the intrusion. Also, to avoid being called a Muslim for stating facts, I would like to clarify that I don’t conform to any religious institution. I don’t pick sides in Hegelian politics, either.
“in their eyes (Muslim Coalition) America/Americans/western countries are the terrorist.”
To suggest that the ongoing illegal, undeclared, unapproved, aggressive American/NATO war in the Middle East is anything but terrorism, would require the ultimate employment of double standards. More than a million innocent middle eastern civilians have been brutally killed, infrastructure of entire cities have been completely destroyed and governments have been toppled and replaced with subservient western puppets. In America, civilians are literally more likely to be killed by their own home furniture than by terrorists, let alone foreign ones. If America considers Muslims to be terrorists, than American police must be considered terrorists too, because every year American police kill many more Americans than Muslims do.
Besides, whether it’s al Qaeda, al Nusra, or ISIS, all of these groups were funded, armed, trained and supported by the CIA/Mossad, in cooperation with regional “allies” like Turkey and Saudi Arabia. These groups were designed for three main purposes, to destabilize non-subservient governments existing between the Nile and Euphrates (greater Israel), to provide the illusion that the world shares a common enemy with apartheid Israel, and to provide the war mongers with a pretext to illegally invade foreign lands under the guise of fighting the monster they themselves created. Now a days all the media has to do to manufacture public consent for the illegal invasion of foreign lands, is show some guy in a black mask claiming jihad. It doesn’t matter who the guy in the mask is, or if he’s on Raytheon, Bechtel, Halliburton, CIA/Mossad, or Pentagon payroll.
Most leaders of Muslim nations understand who is driving the American/NATO war machine. If they did not care about winning, they could attack the driver of this machine without even crossing the ocean.
With regards to the refugee crisis, there is certainly potential for terrorist infiltration into the west. Especially since Turkey has been selling fake Syrian passports on the open market, for years. It is no random coincidence that this mass migration occurred following the devaluation of Greek currency. Being in financial turmoil meant that Greece could not afford to properly screen anyone coming across their borders. Add this to the fact that many refugees were given training on how to obscure their fingerprints and many were also given roughly $14,000 each by Jew-ish billionaire lobbyist, George Soros, there is certainly a cause for concern..
Although I’m normally reluctant to do this, I will provide a link to an article that I believe helps explain the Talmudic/Zionist evil we are dealing with. The Jew-ish author explains why their lobby groups pressed for “multi-culturalism” and the open border policies of western nations. The article provides a glimpse inside the hateful, racist and disgusting mind of an ardent Talmudist.
https://archive.is/bUarE#selection-171.1-306.0
Here is a brief, yet repulsive excerpt from the article.
“We allow Americans, Australians, Canadians, and Europeans to exist because they serve Jews and they serve Israel – and, when they get out of line, we attack them, like we did to the Americans when we sunk their USS Liberty. In the words of former Israeli Knesset member Yossi Sarid, “We control US politicians like marionettes.” Countries like the US, Sweden, and Australia play valuable roles not only in protecting Israel, but also in serving as dumping grounds (or garbage cans) where Israel can send Sudanese, Syrians, and other subhuman waste who seek asylum in Israel. Multiculturalism in the West has ultimately been of great benefit to the people of Israel, as it allows Israel to ship off invaders to the West rather than having them infiltrate and invade the Jewish state of Israel, thus threatening Israel’s Jewish character”
If anyone doubts anything that THOTH just said, I suggest they look here. It’s right in front of our faces.
http://maplight.org/us-congress/interest/J5100/view/all
Thanks for the link, Clucker.
Keep on Cluckin, my friend.
AntiZionist
Your the one that stated muslims are a threat. I was talking about a massive coalition build up.
Sure there are others behind all this.
Your really numb, stated some dumb remark, and did not point out your view.
Next Time I will take it down from the 6th grade level to 3rd grade level so you can understand it.
Boring!!!
Alpha , Zulu, wun, niner and out.
Damned bible babble, you lose all credibility the second you quote that over blown fairy tale. All organized religion is to the same end, to control mindless little sheeple who can’t handle the though of living life on their own without some magic man in the sky or a zombie jew looking over their shoulder. Grow up.
I think your analysis is pretty spot on. However, we’re talking about the elites and their hangers on here, not the majority of people who are of that so- called race ( I think many of the Bible Jews are actually Palestinian, according to Dna analysis)
Sorry, the reply above was meant for thoth and not syco. Do not think I was agreeing with him
Cobra
“I think many of the Bible Jews are actually Palestinian, according to Dna analysis)”
I agree. My research has led me to the same conclusion. Israel is an imposter nation of “anti-Semites” who suffer from megalomaniacal delusions of racial superiority. The vast majority of today’s “Jews” are a bunch of mongoloid/Turks whose ancestors converted to Talmudism in the 8th century.
With regard to the el-ites, and their hangers on, only those who have proven their corruptibility can make it to el-ite positions of power. Only those who would sell their own mother to advance their personal career, have a chance to become president. Those who I speak of have spent centuries monopolizing the world market of financial capital. Everything today requires financial capital. Wars are their favorite risk free investment.
Yeah, were on the same page with regards to all this. But, funnily enough I don’t hate the ordinary so- called Jewish people. They are mostly innocents who have been totally mislead themselves. Some are ev3n probably waking up to the real truth, so I don’t like to castigate a whole nation of people just the extremists and the Luciferians, and evil people.
If you want to read some wierd stuff, then see my reply to William below.
Well done Thoth. You are absolutely correct regarding the whole situation in the Middle, about the Khazarians and the immigrant situation. The first person on BIN, who I feel, has made the exact correct analysis. They is one point that I’d like to add. The UNICEF apparently couldn’t support the Refugees living in Jorden etc any more due to a lack of funds. I think the Elites stopped the money, and this was right before the current influx into Europe.
“But, funnily enough I don’t hate the ordinary so- called Jewish people”
Of course not. Neither do I.
Hating Jews simply because they’re Jews is playing into the hands of the Zionists. They need Jews to immigrate to Israel in order to maintain their so called Jew-ish state and if people all over the world hated Jews simply because they’re Jews, they would all flee to Israel. The Zionists would love this. In fact, Zionists throughout history have gone to great lengths to incite hatred towards ordinary Jews so they would flee to Israel for refuge.
Ariel Sharon vowed to “pull the rug out from underneath the feet of the Diaspora Jews, so that they will be forced to run to us crying. Even if it means blowing up a few synagogues, I don’t care.”
Israel Shakak documented that “The Israeli government induced Jewish immigration from Iraq by bribing the government of Iraq to strip most Iraqi Jews of their citizenship and to confiscate their properties.”
Do these tactics sound familiar? It should be remembered that the high priest of the Sanhedrin is known as a Nasi, and the term “national socialism” (Nazi) was coined by an AsheNazi Jew by the name of Moses Hess, to describe his idea of Jewish nationalism…
Make no mistake, It’s not the ordinary Jews who do their best to follow and respect the Torah, that I have a problem with. However, I do have a problem with the Talmud and its perpetual exemptions of all moral decency. I do not appreciate being referred to as a sub-human beast who exists only to serve the Talmudic tribe. Nor am I a fan of the racist, sociopathic ideology one must embrace in order to put its words into practice.
Zionist Israel being officially declared to be the worst human rights violator on the planet by the UNSC in March of 2015, is a good example of what happens when the Talmud is put into practice.
SSPX Wimbledon Woking GU22 Catholic NO to JWO Jewish World Order & Synagogue Rising
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLGmZZsfzyo
a very interesting statement
Another story that the author is off base, trying to make Russia Gog and Magog, watch this well documented short video and you thoughts on this will be changed forever it you been taught the Russia Gog and Magog.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Cq340CtbW4
I read this article, in its entirety, on the Veteran’s Today website. This particular version has been considerably condensed. The basis for the prophetic utterances have been taken from a Bible translation named “The King of Kings” Bible supposedly written by a person calling him (her) self JAH (a shortened version of Jehovah). I glanced through this BIN article and it appears all references to the “King of Kings” Bible and the name, JAH have been omitted.
I looked at a few sections of the K of K Bible and noticed that it is quite different from the KJV and other versions as well. In my opinion the translator breaks the statute listed in Revelation 22:19 “And if anyone takes away from the words of this book of prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life and in the holy city that are described in this book” because words have been taken away and many words and phrases have been added. If the mysterious “JAH” had added these words and phrases as commentary to a standard Bible, it would be much more acceptable. It is unknown if the prophetic applications in the article were in the K of K Bible or if they are the product of the article’s author.
The author has high regard for British and American Israelism, which I also support. This would make the military union of the USA, Britain, France, and Germany, which is almost the ten nations of lost Israel, as the bad guys. Add the Edomite, Khazarian Jews of the nation of Israel and it almost could be said the 12 tribes of Israel are attempting to heal the breach and create the Mystery Babylon, one-world government. Although it could be said they have been doing this for years.
I can also understand the nations of Russia, Iran, and China (with perhaps India and Pakistan) being the kings of the east that cross a symbolically dried up Euphrates and are appearing to symbolically attack the beast (or little horn) which would be the economic corporatist bankster-usuary octopus of the City of London Jews under the leadership of the Vatican (or so the author states). At the moment they are only defending Syria.
I have agreed, for some time, with Dr. Stephen Jones that the Gog-Magog invasion has already taken place when the Edomites, Russian Khazars, and Ashkenazi Jews invaded Canaan/Palestine like terrorists during the 30’s and 40’s. This particular author extends this invasion/destruction by having Russia attack the 10 misplaced/lost tribes of Israel living within the USA and Europe. There may be some truth to that as well.
One thing I disagree with, in the complete article, is the naming of the USA and Britain as the two witnesses. In my opinion there is no way to make this work symbolically, inside out, or otherwise.
Veteran’s Today is the biggest antisemetic trash site on the internet. Shocked they don’t have a giant swastika on their home page.
Shem was the original Semite.
Abraham is of the linage of Shem.
Abraham had a son with the Egyptian bondservant named Ishmael.
Abraham had a son with his Semite wife Sarai named Isaac.
At Sarai’s death Abraham had a wife named Keturah and they had six sons.
All the sons of Abraham are Semites, most of which are considered Arabs other than the Israelites through Isaac.
Genesis 25:1-4 NET Abraham had taken another wife, named Keturah. (2) She bore him Zimran, Jokshan, Medan, Midian, Ishbak, and Shuah. (3) Jokshan became the father of Sheba and Dedan. The descendants of Dedan were the Asshurites, Letushites, and Leummites. (4) The sons of Midian were Ephah, Epher, Hanoch, Abida, and Eldaah. All these were descendants of Keturah.
The Palestinians are Semites. Does the slaughter of Palestinians by Israeli Jews consist of antisemitism? How about the Arab Syrians or the Arab Egyptians?
Studies reveal that Israeli Jews are either Semitic Edomites or Khazarian Askenazi descendants of Japheth.
Drafter X.
Take your subjective and meaningless “antisemite” whining and F-off.
^^^ I second that.
“If you think Russia isn’t going to strike back, then you’re clueless on Biblical prophecy”
Yes i am happy to say that i am “clueless on Biblical prophecy” because my brain is not infected with a virus that makes me think that my religion is right and everyone else must have it wrong.
I see no need to try to convet people so that they all want to bend over and kiss the big toe on gods left foot or to read the Danndy comice but to try to interpret “the meaning of life”
Russia is fighting the NWO because americans themselves were proven not to be up to the job after the 9/11 false flag attack so yes, you could say that Russia is already stricking back and good luck to them in heading off ISIS who is being financed by bankers from Israel and given weapons by the USA.
Thank you for your reply above, Cobra. Hope you will indeed check those links out, I promise you, they are worth it.
I saw Richard’s video, the one he made after physically taking down one of the phallic obelisk in SA. What he did was not wrong! They ALL need to be taken down, worldwide. It says so, in God’s Law. Phallic obelisks are all OBSCENE and an insult to The Lord.
As I read and see it, Richard was the one actually doing right, by having some backbone and taking a stand against the freemasons in his country and trying to point it out to the others. But instead of supporting him, they went and bowed down to the freemasons once again, and put it back up and Richard ends up going to jail.
See the Prisoner’s Handbook:- http://jahtruth.net/prison.htm
That is not True Justice, because he was not the one doing something wrong – THEY were. It helps show how bad we have allowed things to get, by not doing our duty of fighting against evil, and the people who make up their own laws against God’s Orders, and doing evil things like putting up OBSCENE obelisks everywhere.
Why do we allow it?
Think about this. Have you seen how many WAR monuments around the world, that are supposedly there to honour the fallen soldiers who got killed in the wars, have OBELISKS placed on top of them? Just why is that? Satan’s signature? You bet. That is exactly what it is. Totally sick!
In case anyone doesn’t know what an obelisk is, or what it symbolises, look it up. Or, check out Richard’s video that he made about it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Lgi9tklIiw
Thanx Williams for the links, I’ll go to them later. Yes, I do know what you mean about the obelisks. I have watched all of Sean Hross’ s videos and one of them was about obelisks. Check him out if you haven’t seen any ofchis stuff. These pharaoronic structures are all over the world. Here are some links to his stuff.
https://youtu.be/YERHIxqnfwY short video
https://youtu.be/yOIqyk2JHZI hour and a half video.
What surprised me was when he went to a Jewish cemetary in Switzerland, and nearly all the gravestones were phallic obelisks.
It was his stuff, more than the whistleblowers that convinced me that evil controlled the world. I already knew demonic forces existed, because I experienced it personally, exactly 5 years ago when I asked God and
Jesus to come into my life. The demons did not like this one bit, and lots of wierd and supernatural stuff happened. I went to Church, on my own for the first time in my life, in order to get some holy water, and get Jesus to bless it. On the day that I went, it was the 50th anniversary of that church being built and there were bishops and the whole place was jam packed. That evening all my power went off , even my phone didn’t work. Then some supernatual force spun me around so violently, that I broke lots of things and hurt myself.
I used the holy water everywhere, even putting some in a drinks bottle and squirting it all over town.
One night, I felt possessed by something and I went in a sort of trance state. I cut my internet line, and using a broken computer which suddenly started working, I hacked into next doors internet, and I was speed typing extremely fast. The next thing that happened was something uploaded onto the internet. I’d never uploaded anything before in my life, and then the computer screen went blue, and then it didn’t work.
Lots of strange suff happened and this went on for about 3 weeks and then everything went back to normal.
During this time I received lots of revelations and I seemed to have some psychic powers, and learnt about protection magic. I even saw blue prints of designs and shapes, the like of which I’d never seen before inside my head, when I closed my eyes. I hardly slept or ate during this time and I had no idea what day it was or whether it was day or night at times.
You’re the very first person I’ve ever told about this time, I feel the time is right to get it off my chest. Previous to these things happening I didn’t believe in anything and was probably the most sceptical person you could ever meet. So you see I say things from my own personal experience, so thankyou William for enabling me totell my experiences.
Dear Cobra,
Thank you for your reply and also for sharing here what you have.
You’re welcome regarding the links, and thank-you likewise.
I share them whenever possible, because it took me many years of searching, before I finally found the Truth I had been searching for, and it is all on JAH’s Website.
All of us share one thing, we are all on a journey. We are pilgrims on the earth. We go through many experiences. It is those experiences that have brought us to wherever we are now. It brought you here, just like my journey brought me here, and so it is with everyone.
(Read “The Pilgrim’s Progress” – JAHTruth.net/pilgrim.pdf )
Yes, evil is indeed real and it is all around us. This is why it is of the utmost importance, to learn the correct way how to get God’s Help, because only He is much more powerful (Being Almighty and Invincible) than any evil forces, and fortunately for us, He can be with us wherever we are, and He wants to help us.
The Way how to get God’s Help is best explained in:
“The Way home, or face The Fire” – By JAH
Please see http://jahtruth.net/wayad.htm
When I read your reply, you know what jumped out at me was, that you wrote, that those things like the power going out, etc. happened to you, – but when?
AFTER you had been to that church.
In my journey, I’ve been inside several churches too. I grew up in a Protestant country, so I saw those ones as a child, but did not see any Catholic churches until quite some time later on. It sounds like the one you went to was one of the catholic ones, but it doesn’t matter which. Because the truth, as you may know already, is they are actually not good places at all – they are places of evil. They only pretend to be Godly, but it is fake and the truth is they are not – they are the complete opposite.
Did you know, that Christ Jesus actually warns us not to go to church? (I didn’t always know that, but I know it now, thanks to JAH):
Matthew
6:5 And when thou prayest, thou shalt NOT be as the hypocrites [ARE]: for they love to pray standing in the churches and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen by men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
6:6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and WHEN THOU HAST SHUT THY DOOR, pray to thy Father in private (Enoch 56:5; Sura 7:55); and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.
So, its best to avoid them. Cobra, hope you will check out JAHTruth.net – Your time will be much, much better spent reading and learning from all what is written there by The Master.
Peace be upon you and may God bless you, friend.
There appears to be a surge of posts and comments on BIN (and elsewhere) using the “King of Kings” Bible translation supposedly written by someone calling himself JAH from Gibralter via England.
Excerpts from “The Way Home or Face the Fire by JAH
8:1 After trying, over and over again, to teach people to stay-away from religions, and to talk ONLY to Him for guidance; having already sent enlightenment to the many Prophets; God decided that the only solution was to send Prince Michael, and put Him in a human-animal, to show the way YOU have to be, to be able to go home.
8:3 The “STAR” of Bethlehem was a spaceship:
Ponder the above two excerpts and ask yourself: “Is this the biggest false prophet and false teachings that has ever been?
I’ve downloaded it. I’ve only read upto page 11 though. The guy says that everything he says is true and if I don’t believe all that he said, then I will be damned. I find this an extremely arrogant statement to make. What right has he to say this!
Saying that, I do find some of the stuff he says interesting and I will probably read it all at some point. But I’ll make my own mind up, he will not do it for me!
He’s just getting warmed up, cobra. He says he’s the second coming of Christ. ‘Williams’ here claims to believe that.
The man (Jah/Muad’Dib) is a woefully deceived self-worshipper with an over-active imagination and way too much idle time on his hands. And he’s garnered at least one follower, who spends a good deal of time at this website pretending to be many. That’s deception, all around.
JAH must be in competition with King of Shambala (probably spelled that name wrong, but who cares)
I love the bit where he says the first 3 star wars films are true and that George Lucas had the words downloaded into his head lol. If the rest of the book is like that then, I’m going to have plenty of laughs. However, he does speak some wisdom. I downloaded it from the poster Freeman, so he must be a believer as well! I did wonder why I was instantly downvoted for this action, lol. However, I know he isn’t the messiah, thats for sure, but he does spin a good story.
Williams. With regards to my story. The church was evangelical and the persons name was the same as mine- but mine is spelt without an h; big clue there!
No, God instructed me to go that day and he also spun me round violently, so my rational, sceptical mind would be in no doubt of his existence.
The power going out and my phone going dead was the devil’s work. The atmosphere and temperature of the room changed. I think I had a demon in me, but when I asked God and Jesus into my life, the dark ones didn’t like it one bit, hence the 3 week mind games, as their futile bid to win me back. Hence, the psychic powers and some of the magic was offered to me by them- I don’t dabble in the occult anymore, apart from collecting crystals.
What I uploaded onto the internet, I don’t know- I did think for a time it was a sleeping doomsday virus; but I feel now it was just to let me think of the impossibility of the event happening. How did a broken computer work? How did I manage to hack into next doors internet? And how did I manage to upload something? Beef Supreme, knows how my mind works, because of the debate with Lifels. So he will agree that unexplainable happenings, I can’t rationalise, are going to convince me of God’s existence! !!
I do have the initials J.C lol, but I can assure everyone that I am not the messiah- I haven’t been good enough in my life, and I am no prophet either. Lol, but my best friend suggested that I pretend to be, and to see if I could gather any followers lol. I’m pretty sure that given enough time and energy, that I would be able to pull it off and convince some people- such is the gullibility of some people on BIN lol. But seriously, Revelation has to be in progress before the Messiah returns; and I’m very aware that before this there will be many false messiahs and prophets.
I did think at one time that I might be a witness, but I’ve pulled strongly back from that position now. You see I’m an anarchist, and that would explain why the world would rejoice at my death lol. But seriously, I’m just a normal human being, a nobody in the grand scheme of the events that will unfold!
Beef
Are you telling me that Jahtruth site is not full of wisdom
And now, right on cue, yet another pro-Hill persona materializes.
Yes, Rolo. I am telling you that Mr. Hill’s website is not full of wisdom. What it is full of is mingled seed.
And I do, of course, have the time and the willingness to demonstrate the verity of that statement.
Beef
I am not a fan of Mr Hill!!
Although I do find his ramblings on his site amusing in a strange way
Glad to hear it, Rolo.
I didn’t take your question for a facetious one.
(But now I do notice the wise-acre emoticon.)
A little mockery?
I enjoy a little mockery myself at times.
Jah says he’s the second coming of Christ? Not if BIN’s very own KOS has anything to say about it..It’s time for RayEl to suit up in his “Buck Rogers” costume and prepare for a messiah off. . Somebody get David Icke on their phone, tell him to throw on a windbreaker and start training for the challenge.
How many people do you think there are who actually believe they are Christ in the flesh? Hundreds? Thousands?
How have you been, BEEF? Supreme, I assume..
It is true, if JAH himself ever comes here to post, he will have to be assigned his new christ name. Thus far, we have:
Trailer-christ
Trucker-christ
Metal-christ
Mirror-christ
and
ᗅᗺᗷᗅ-christ
And THOTH, thanks for asking. BEEF has indeed been at least feeling supreme lately. One trusts his THOTH-ishness has likewise been enjoying a healthy and profitable journey across these recently past days.
BEEF, good to hear you’ve been at least feeling supreme lately. His THOTH-ishness has indeed been enjoying a healthy and profitable journey across these recently passed days and is grateful for it.
As for assigning JAH his new christ name if he comes here, personally, I’m a fan of “Tailer-christ”
Not so fast, THOTH…
Trailer-christ is already taken. The above list is our resident BIN commentators who claim to be Christ or to be some form of deity themselves. You may know them by their other names:
Trailer-christ = Ray Karchewski
Trucker-christ = Lord Steven Christ
Metal-christ = Theoferrum
Mirror-christ = Masters of the Mirror
and
ᗅᗺᗷᗅ-christ = the recently christened and erstwhile, AlephBet
For some reason or other, this website is like a magnet for the world’s false christs. And, apparently, for the disciples of false christs also.
BEEF:
Can you really blame them for flocking here? This site is one of the few that allows people to post whatever they want, with no chance for pesky fact-checking, or psychological testing. It’s a lunatic’s wet dream.
The man who started it all.
HUZZAH Señor Lyle.
Ok, ok…
Is dumpster christ taken?
Or hippie van christ?
What about those?
Why thank you, Sir Beef.
As for your question, THOTH, vanchrist has yet to be claimed. Dumpsterchrist has, though. That title belongs to a really cool homeless dude in Toronto, named Gerard. He doesn’t actually think he’s Jesus, he just looks like him.
Hope this clears things up.
Conflated-christ?
With the Koran and Bible supposedly being in perfect harmony it kind of fits but, then again, i might just be over thinking things.
AHA! You like that book eh! is that that same dude who go on der hunger strike to try “force” them to listen to his decree? i read that book like 10-12 times, IN TER ESTING, is what i say, i like THE BOOK, not what not author claims! its a very interesting book! i have seen the condition, where a messenger, gets a message to give, and then, because of the effects of sin, the human condition, is rather sad, id say, “criminally insane” then things get a bit wonky. and i have said many many times, what i am here for, looking for stuff, finding stuff, people must not listen to me, they must listen to the Bible, i have made it quite clear, im Lawfull Evil, pure and simple, and am spinning terrible traps, and soul-snares. and my crow hath landed on the eagle, so i suspect fun, but, an interesting thing to note is, you never see me, nay saying Beef, and him me, for we only have ONE authority, the Word, and when i go wrong, and he shows me, i MUST YIELD, lest Father smite me, Beef, Lawfull Good, me Lawfull Evil. and , all these messiahs must prove their worth, for i dont wait for a savior, i wait for malak al maut, so i pledge allegiance to the human incarnation of death itself. Abbadon. that is what i am a harbinger of, doom. i love doom. doomu doom doom, and my ears itched there eh, any fool can see capn spauldin , guntherian,. richard, me, garen, black sun, all me, cause im uber adhd, i make swords an bin so on. ya know that “angel”???
Jos 5:13 And it came to be, when Yehoshua was by Yeriḥo, that he lifted his eyes and looked and saw a Man standing opposite him with His sword drawn in His hand. And Yehoshua went to Him and said to Him, “Are You for us or for our adversaries?”
malak al maut. and i aint preeeetendin nothing, every profile is but me , exactly, keep em on their toes i say.
Richard. In the list of characters you gave you said…Richard , me…hmmm!
Now I wonder who the ‘ me’ is that you’re referring to?
You also said Garen was one of your characters, but you didn’t mention Toucan Son of Sam, who I’m very convinced was Garen hmmmm!
I like puzzles, and fortunately for myself I save all the threads I have been on. And whilst I don’t have a photographic memory, I do remember a lot, and I can easily spot when a profile and avatar have changed, and what itwas before. I also study the way people speak and the particular phrases, expressions and words that they use. So if anyone is using more than one account, I will spot it eventually. Obviously, with Siblings, it is a lot harder. Personally, I like both Richard and Toucan Son of Sam, so I will treat both as separate beings. Captain Spaulding I like as well. Not sure about black sun yet, haven’t really chatted with him much.
It appears it is you who are trying to deceive others Beef Supreme. Why else would you bear FALSE witness against another while CLAIMING to be knowledgeable about the Scriptures and the Commandments?
Shame on you.
But Beef is knowledgable about scripture and it’s meaning- surely you can’t dispute that? Abdiel.
And a question Abdiel. Do you think this Jah ‘ wobble’ – my joke, he was in the band Public Image- is the coming ‘Messiah’ or do you consider him to be a prophet?
Cobra
Beef has read the Scriptures for sure but he gives you his interpretation of what he has read .. If that is what you want to here then you will agree with him
Freeman,
Tell me one time that you are not Williams and I shall cease with the charge. But don’t be coy with me. Don’t pretend like you don’t understand my meaning perfectly. I think there is a single PERSON responsible for all of your posts. If not, then you all collude and you all arrived at about the same time, so it should come as NO SUPPRISE to you that people have drawn the conclusion I have drawn when your message is identical.
It should be impossible for reasonably intelligent men to examine the writing and the claims of Mr. Hill, and to come to the conclusion that he is viable and genuine. He is a usurper, a self-worshipper and a false christ. (KOS hasn’t patented that term, has he fellas?)
And yes, Freeman — I am ready, willing and able to defend my assertion. Right here. Or anywhere else you have in mind, for that matter.
* surprise
(I must be thinking about supper already. And it’s still morning.)
To the spirit-being inside the human-animal calling himself “Beef Supreme”: I am NOT “Williams” nor have I ever posted on this website under another name.
Now that we’ve established you are a liar, how can ANYTHING you say be trusted?
Yo Abdiel – did you miss this:
“I THINK there is a single PERSON responsible for all of your posts.”
???
That’s me. Is saying ‘I think’ and then explaining why the same as actually pretending to be a prophet and GOD the way your leader does?
And yes, Abdiel – Messiah Yehoshua is THEOS, which you either believe, or you have serious problems:
John 8:24
I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I AM…
…ye shall die in your sins.
Furthermore, I explained to you that if you denied on the record that you are the person responsible for Williams’ posts, then I would stop making that suggestion. Now you have denied. So has Williams. I now freely admit to the possibility, even the likelihood, of being wrong in my suggestion and will no more suggest it. But I went on to explain the reasons for why I thought it so, which you have opted not to address.
You and Williams are free to think whatever you like about me. It matters not. My interest is in keeping you from corralling seekers into your fantasy. The fact that JAH claims to be Christ is the only tool I expect to be needing to separate seekers from your delusions. Any time I see you enticing seekers into your web of deceit, I will be sure to inform them about JAH’s claim – right off the bat. I expect that’s all it will take. Too bad it wasn’t enough for you and Williams. But if you don’t know who the Messiah IS, then you’ll be plenty apt to be fooled by liars who claiming to be Him. You don’t believe the Word of God and you clearly do not know Messiah’s voice. You and Williams both seem sufficiently endowed with intelligence to defend yourselves from such liars. It must therefore be wisdom you lack.
Don’t expect to have free reign here to hunt for other prey. Expect a bit of difficulty to arise just when you would least like it to.
Beef Supreme: “My meaning was the JAH “warriors” who have come here to advertise the indefensible musings of one John Anthony Hill.
There’s only one of them.”
”Beef Supreme: “Indeed there is. All of them posted by one individual using numerous accounts.”
There is no “I THINK…” in your statements quoted above. Only more lies. NOTHING you say can be trusted.
Freeman wrote:
“There is no “I THINK…” in your statements quoted above. Only more lies. NOTHING you say can be trusted.”
I’m getting a little tired of you, fella. But I’ll try to be nice because I know your attention to detail is a little soft.
Count with me now: above your last comment here, there is one comment by me above that. Then another by you and two by me. Not the little one by me which corrected my spelling of ‘surprise’ but the one immediately above that.
Now count down after your name at the head of that comment, four lines. And I quote:
“I think there is a single PERSON responsible for all of your posts.”
As I say, a little attention to detail would help your plight immensely. You would be far less apt to be ensnared by high-flying self-worshippers like John Hall.
Beef Supreme “‘Williams’ here … spends a good deal of time at this website pretending to be many. That’s deception, all around.”
Just to address this false accusation, made by Beef Supreme, once more:
I use just one account – Williams.
Before Williams, I had one other account – Remo. But, that account did not last very long, because of using it to try and spread the truth and wake people up and then found out that what I had done with that account was considered to be “against the rules”. So, that account was lost. After that happened, I opened up a new one and have been using only it (Williams) ever since.
So, to set the record straight: I do not use multiple accounts on BIN, just Williams.
However, Beef Supreme on the other hand has himself admitted to having multiple accounts that he uses for posting on BIN, isn’t that so?
Is Beef Supreme therefore actually accusing me of doing something that HE is in fact doing?
It is standard operating procedure for the “Self” of people, to go around accusing others of doing whatever it is that THEY are doing. The “Self” does this, to try and deflect attention away from itself and its wrongful behaviour, onto others. We need to follow Christ’s Teaching, and crucify “Self” daily.
http://jahtruth.net/noti.htm
Could not help but noticed that comment above, that “Mayhem” wrote: “Do keep in mind, Cobra, that some of us have been TROLLING the bins for over five years” (emphasis mine).
“some of us”. Just who then is “us”, please? Trolling? Well, that’s interesting.
Isn’t a troll someone who gets paid MONEY to go around posting on forums for evil purposes? Don’t be a troll, Mayhem.
Fun trolling is ok, I mean I bait some people on this site, when it is necessary. KOS for example. Sometimes it is necessary to plant seeds in peoples heads- all in good fun though. But once I’ve done it, I tend to leave that person alone, and target someone else who is annoying me . Although with KOS, I keep doing it- it’s jokes mainly and wordplay, that I use. Once I had some sort of dispute and lenghty debate with someone, that’s it- I don’t hold grudges, and I forgive people no matter what they say.
Admitting to using multiple accounts, and explaining why, is not the same thing as coming here pretending to be many advocating for a wayward ideology, Williams, as I expect you know.
Let me hear you say, just once for the record, that you – the unique individual behind the ‘Williams’ persona – and Abdiel Freeman are not one and the same.
Just what are the odds, Williams, that more than one individual should show up here at about the same time with an agenda to advance the cause of Mr. Hill and his ‘work’? This sort of ‘coincidence’ is simply too much to absorb. But if there are two of you, then you most certainly are acquainted and arrived here as a pair – kind of like travelling Mormons or Jehovah’s Witnesses.
Am I wrong?
Beef
I think Williams and Freeman are joined at the keyboard
Ah! It was you who downvoted me and Mayhem. So you just pretended to be my friend so you could snare me to your ‘ false prophet’ . You see Williams I can read your mind, and you don’t want to make an enemy of me . Because, I will play mind games on you also. Ill be following every word you and Abdiel say from now on. If you are the same person, then you will suffer the consequences for being deceitful. If you are telling the truth, then that is ok.
And look Williams, DON’T try and CON me! Mayhem is a great bloke, and nothing he said on here deserved to be downvoted. But you took offence to his ‘ trolling’ comment. You obviously don’t know Mayhem that well.
And since, his and my comments were all downvoted at the same time, and since you’ve been the only person who has been critical of Mayhem on this thread, then it was you who was responsible.
And how did you try and ensnare me? By using Richard, who you know I like very much because I have stated so on this thread.
So first you use Richard as bait, then follow it up with your real purpose, which was to get me to go to that site!
All the above shows deceptive behaviour, and this shows you are a deceptive person. So Beef was right and you are a deceiver! QED
Cobra: No, you cannot read my mind. Or anyone else’s mind, for that matter. That is your imagination. The Scripture says the following, about the imagination:
Genesis
6:5 And “I AM” saw that the wickedness of man [was] great in the earth, and [that] every imagination of the thoughts of his heart [was] only evil continually.
I didn’t pretend and your imagination got things wrong, as the imagination always does.
The links were just being shared with you. You’re free to make up your own mind about it. I find them to be truth, otherwise I would not have shared it. You’re free to think whatever you will.
Peace be upon you. Williams.
“Us”, Williams, is anyone who has been here longer than five years and no, my friend, trolls don’t get paid but shills sure do get their earthly reward.
I for one believe “The Way home or face The Fire” – By JAH. It is the Truth.
Read it on your own and then once you have FINISHED it and taken time to digest the contents, then make up your own mind.
Sharp and Ready. – January 6 (God Calling)
Guide me, O Thou Great “I AM”,
Pilgrim through this foreign land.
I am weak but Thou art mighty,
Guide me with Thy powerful Hand.
You must pray. The way will open. God cares and His plans unfold. Just love and wait.
Love is the Key. No door is too difficult for it to open.
What cause have you to fear? Has He not cared for and protected you? Hope on. Hope gladly. Hope with certainty. Be calm, calm in My Power.
Never neglect these times, pray and read your Bible and train and discipline yourself. That is your work – Mine to use you. But My instruments must be sharp and ready. Then I use them.
Discipline and perfect yourselves at all costs. Do this, for soon every fleeting thought will be answered, every wish gratified, every deed used. It is a fearful Power, a mighty Power (Force). Oh! be careful that you ask nothing amiss – nothing that is not according to My Spirit.
All thoughts harmful must be turned out. Miracle working power can become witchery in the wrong hands. See how necessary I have made the purity and goodness of your own lives to you. That is why. Soon, very soon, you shall ask, and at once it will come. Welcome the training. Without it I dare not give you this Power (Force). It would do harm.
Do not worry about others’ lives. That will all come right. You must perfect yourselves first in My Strength.
Thank-you, Widetracker.
“There appears to be a surge of posts and comments on BIN…”
Indeed there is. All of them posted by one individual using numerous accounts.
Perhaps a false prophet employing false methods.
i have turbo adhd.
Not you, you Insane Viking Monster!!! You’re just too much to be contained by a single BIN account. And with you writing with a South African accent in all of your various personas — well, it’s not exactly like you’re trying to fool anyone, is it.
My meaning was the JAH “warriors” who have come here to advertise the indefensible musings of one John Anthony Hill.
There’s only one of them.
xD k, sometimes me am not the brighterst, red books, but brain made outta wood. good fer headbutting, YOU MUST SEE WHAT PRINCESS SAYS ABOUT THAT BOOK AND WOMEN! OMW! i leave it, its interesting, i prefer real stuff like this however:
me into:
“From the mere letter of the Word of the Old Testament no
one would ever discern the fact that this part of the Word contains
deep secrets of heaven, and that everything within it both in general
and in particular bears reference to the Lord, to his heaven, to the
church, to religious belief, and to all things connected therewith;
for from the letter or sense of the letter all that anyone can see is
that—to speak generally—everything therein has reference merely
to the external rites and ordinances of the Jewish church. Yet the
truth is that everywhere in that Word there are internal things
which never appear at all in the external things except a very few
which the Lord revealed and explained to the apostles; such as that
the sacrifices signify the Lord; that the land of Canaan and
Jerusalem signify heaven—on which account they are called the
heavenly Canaan and Jerusalem—and that paradise has a similar
signification.
2. The Christian world, however, is as yet profoundly unaware of
the fact that all things in the Word both in general and in
particular, nay, the very smallest particulars down to the most
minute iota, signify and enfold within them spiritual and heavenly
things, and therefore the Old Testament is but little cared for. Yet
that the Word is really of this character might be known from the
single consideration that being the Lord’s and from the Lord it
must of necessity contain within it such things as belong to heaven,
to the church, and to religious belief, and that unless it did so it
could not be called the Lord’s Word, nor could it be said to have
any life in it. For whence comes its life except from those things
that belong to life, that is to say, except from the fact that
everything in it both in general and in particular bears reference to
the Lord, who is the very life itself; so that anything which does not
inwardly regard him is not alive; and it may be truly said that any
expression in the Word that does not enfold him within it, that is,
which does not in its own way bear reference to him, is not Divine.
3. Without such a life, the Word as to the letter is dead. The case
in this respect is the same as it is with man, who—as is known in
the Christian world—is both internal and external. When separated
from the internal man, the external man is the body, and is
therefore dead; for it is the internal man that is alive and that causes
the external man to be so, the internal man being the soul. So is it
with the Word, which, in respect to the letter alone, is like the
body without the soul.”
thats more my line of thought. we must acutally go thru that Way home book, its got interesting points in, REGRDLESS of the authors own personal brand of ego-trip/wig out messiah complex, but i mean good grief, BRO I DINT EVEN KNOW THERE WAS A METALL MESSIAH and im like NO WAY. do they even know what it means????? to be a messiah??? do they even know what we looking for??? and what do these messiahs want!!! KOS so far just wants you to tell everyone, something, and then you go to heaven,, steven christ wants acknowledgement for his mega ego, o well, least i know im not a messiah, im convinced im ivan the terrible alive an well in the modern day,. now that pretty nuts also, problem is, which is worse?? having the REAL ivan here, or someone who is convinced he is ivan, i have asked around, its basically the same thing, and it is a moot point. BUT, the problem is, i have dragon eyes, and my best friend, Boris, is convinced he is Boris Gudonov, geddit “good enough” he’s on wiki.
ima show you a secret picture now, an untouched no cheating picture. it says a thousand word. ivan the mthrfkn terrible. alive. and Boris too, Boris killed me last time we here here, cause i wigged out an killed my son, Boris always hangs with me, we have a deal, if i go all feral, and start killing my own children, well, then he kills me, i dont think we have that problem this time, i have no children at present! win! hahaha! O BTW if Sitrep is who i think he is, this picture will explain why he ignore me flat, he smells EVIL,. mwhaha! OLD evil! old ivan on the gtaV evil! mwhahahaa! come now, its the new year time to level up the riddle, WHAT are the odds, hey?? look at Boris, look at my EYES man, they go like that lots, i use that trick to get free stuff
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9OLkipOzWYqYkZLbjR6LVJCNmM/view?usp=sharing
so, meh, there might be fake messiahs, but you got a dragon-eyed swine, who thinks he’s ivan, and best is, i dont have to pretend to be bag of spanners nuts .
You remind me, Captain…
…and I can’t believe we forgot. We have to add Geir Smith to our list of christs. (And you won’t even use that word when we’re talking about FALSE messiahs?)
Why don’t you be the one to assign Geir his -christ name.
Please use a modern day language Bible. The King James was translated for the people of that time. Would you sign a car loan in olde English? It was translated for the people of that time to know “THE WORD”. Using this type of language turns new believers off and CAN’T POSSIBLY MAKE GOD’S WORD MORE IMPORTANT THAN IT IS!!! IT IS THE ULTIMATE IMPORTANCE THE TRUTH OF ALL TIME. IT IS MOST IMPORTANT,(ESPECIALLY NOW) TO REACH AS MANY AS POSSIBLE AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE AND NOT HANG ONTO MAN MADE LANGUAGE OF A DAY GONE BY. IT IS NOT MORE REVERENT.. WE CAN’T MAKE GOD’S WORD ANY MORE IMPORTANT THAN IT IS! Keep working. so many of us are doing God jobs. God bless.
It hardly matters which translation folk prefer if they’re not studying Scripture in the original language because there is no such thing as a fault free English translation.
I read the KJV but often cut-n-paste from the NAS but either way it is Scripture that i cherish even though i speak neither Greek or Hebrew.
Ha! We’ve all been downvoted more or less, someone doesn’t like what we’ve been discussing. Ha! I don’t think it was anyone who has posted a comment on this thread, just some ghostly coward without the balls to contribute in any way! Whoever you are you’re a yellow- bellied COWARD!!! LOL.
After reading all the posts, I think the person may be a catholic- Louis is that you?
I vote my self into a frenzy, except not for myself, and wish that everyone would but oh well.
Back in the day, cobra, 6 down-votes and your comment was hidden plus more than a few members had a dozen or more accounts which they’d use in a feeble attempt to silence truth.
How many accounts have you got Mayhem? Do you know what Beefs other names are? I’ve only got the one as I’m a newbie. But if I did get another, I think shark attack or mastodon or sabre tooth is like what I’d use. Who else has multiple accounts?
Thats freaky. I just went onto KOS thread and just found that KOS and Armed Gentleman are one and the same! I asked the question on his thread as he had an upvote of 2, and straight away this Gentleman pops up and takes the same side as KOS.
I have one account, cobra, and apart from a name change very early in the piece I’ve been Mayhem throughout.
I used to be middle-aged-mayhem but dropped the first part when i woke up one day and found that old age had caught up with me. That and folk would call me “middle” which wasn’t to my liking.
At the end of the day i’m not too concerned about the sock-puppetry of others. When i’ve got my freak on i’ll take on all comers and their multiple personalities.
I upvote you a lot Mayhem, because you’re a decent person, and say positive things in my presence. Cor, I really got their backs up today, they downvoted me on every single comment I made. They want a war, I’m going to give them a war. You know what I’m like don’t you Mayhem? I don’t give up, I never surrender, unless I deserve it. They fear me I know thatfor sure, and they’re right to fear me. As far as I’m concerned they’re my only true enemies on this site. They tried to recruit me into their Luciferian cult and for the first time since being on BIN I’m truly angry.
Expect fireworks! I’ll even go to this antichrists site for a bit of undercoverwork. Cheers Mayhem and God Bless you Sir. Funny, II imagined you much younger. 40ish, you’re young at heart!
If fifty-something is the new 40-ish then i’m that guy
What’s with the talk of jihad, cobra, and why do you feel the need to defeat online adversaries?
Keep in mind that there are always folk who read these boards but don’t comment and who are here because they’re interested in this topic. You, just like everyone else, get your shot to reach those people and what better way to do that than have truth prevail?
You might even learn something along the way so there’s always that.
I suppose your right and I’ve calmed down now. But remember Mayhem Damien attacked me, I was just defending myself. This star-trek Christs disciples tried to ensnare me into their cult, that much is obvious. So I don’t go out of my way to defeat online adversaries, the trouble comes to
me and I just react to that situation, thats all!
Anyway you always give me good advice, and I will call off responding to the situation further. But if I see them try to ensnare someone else, then I’ll let that person have a fuller picture. Tbh, I’ve probably spent too much time in Richards company, and reacted to other posters too much. If you see me step out of line, then I know you won’t hesitate to tell me so.
But you’re wrong to suggest I’m on some personal Jihad of sorts, just that I will not hesitate to react in certain situations.
If you look at certain threads you will see that I can bring people together in conversation, usually by saying something, that will guarantee a response, so I do have some good qualities as wellas obvious weaknesses. Hope you reply one last time, and let me know what you think about what I’ve just said.
You know your advice and Scanners is invaluable to me on BIN.
Don’t mind me, cobra, i only think i know everything. Just consider how much power you give your adversary when you let it be known how personally you’re taking things.
On a side note and regarding my suggestion to fact check everything there is an example i’d like to mention. In the “crow riding the eagle” thread that you and Richard are all over did either of you consider that the pictures were taken in July 2015?
It’s a sign, it’s a sign except it’s 6 months old and nothing happened, yes?
Cobra
Mayhem has had the same account since I’ve been here, about 2.5-3 years, anyways. Not to suggest that he needs my testimony, or approval, but I can say he’s a genuine dude. So is Scanner and Beef. I have held long dialogue with each of them over the years, sometimes in agreement and sometimes in disagreement. Regardless, these contributors are very knowledgable and I respect them a great deal. Whether or not that means anything to you, or anyone else, is up to you and them to decide.
There used to be a hacker of sorts trolling these pages. He used probably 10 different accounts to utter threats and manipulate voting.. He admitted to using links posted in the comment section to obtain the users information, which he then used to steal the identity of the user and post comments in their name. Although I cannot speak for the Beef Supreme, I’m fairly certain that’s the only reason he had to open a different account in the past.
I have not seen the troll I speak of around in a while. Like you, Cobra, I save all threads that I participate in and could identify this guy immediately, based on the way he made his comments.
I like your jive, Cobra, which is why I took the time to explain some of this to you. Unless someone is interfering directly with your current account, I don’t see a need to open a different one. Again, that’s just my opinion, do whatever you want. Personally, I’ve had the same account and picture since I started, so there can be no mistaking me for anyone else. Ive occasionally had comments down voted off of threads and I’ve received as many as 17 up votes on occasional comments. None of that really matters, just say what you need to say and people will either pay attention, or they won’t.
To me, commenting on this site is about the potential to state your case to tens of thousands of readers. Even if only half of the people who read the article also read the comments, that’s still 10′s of thousands of people, usually. Again, Cobra, this is all just my opinion. Have yourself a good day.
Yeah, we’re only having a laugh on the crow thread. But, if it is an omen then it doesn’t necessary matter when it was posted. These things could take years, there could be other omens and these could build a picture, ofexactly what might happen in the future. We know the eagle represents the USA , and crows are a carrion bird, so this could represent death.So many deaths in the USA , or defeat of the USA. But what and when, we might need another unusual omen to be able to tell. As they say Rome wasn’t built in a day, so we’ll have to be patient. It may mean absolutely nothing of course, but God says to look for signs in the heavens, and if you believe in Revelations, then you need to look for those signs.
I don’t know if you remember 5 years ago all the dead birds and dead fish. They were calling it the aflockolypse lol. Maybe, the places where these things happened is significant. If God were to create a puzzle, it would be the most complex puzzle imaginable.
Revelations would be like such a puzzle, and everything that is going to happen is already known and planned to the minutist detail. It will occur exactly like it has been planned to happen. Our intelligence is nothing compared to Gods.
What I’m trying to say, if I’m not totally confusing you, is that all these little details could be important. Since, most people couldn’t be bothered going to that thread, maybe, they’re not important to the Revelation storey.
Richard believes that certain people like himself, Beef, me and the Clucker are the reincarnations of past Kings. He thinks he was Ivan the terrible. Maybe he’s right, and if he is then we would have some sort of role in the Revelation storey. So we see it as an omen, because that is the way it is meant to be. Ie we’re the important ones and the rest of you aren’t. Although you could have been a king as well. BIN is where we all meet up. Maybe the witnesses are on or will be on BIN as well. And maybe the Messiah will be at some point in the future.
Anyway, I’m hoping to use that thread as a sort of private email group gathering, so maybe that is the reason we were drawn to that thread, and the crow on the eagle means nothing. That thread hasn’t been contaminated by any heathens, and so we can discuss personal things in secret away from prying eyes.You either believe in fate or you don’t, and me and Richard believe. What do you think?
What do i think, cobra? Well for one thing i think you’ll have a hard time finding a biblical example where the signs weren’t altogether immediate to the consequence of ignoring the message. No mucking about, no connecting the dots, no building a case, just a sign then its fulfillment.
God doesn’t need to work through puzzles, cobra, for we don’t even understand earthly things so how much more so will we misunderstand spiritual matters?
Plus the signs you are referring to portend the return of Messiah not the destruction of Babylon. We’re told what sign to look for and it’s not two birds doing a territorial dance. Do you know the sign?
By the time the birds are called to feast, at armageddon, there won’t be a living soul on earth who needs any sort of sign to figure out what is up.
I’m not on board regarding reincarnation and see it as one very small step away from a full blown messianic-complex. Next thing you’ll be saying believers are more important than heathens, wait, er, that’s exactly what you did say.
About that, cobra: Who, according to your understanding of Scripture, is “saved”, what are they saved from and what happens to those who are not saved?
ps; the respect is mutual, THOTH, and thank you for your kind words regardless we don’t always see eye to eye.
Hi Thoth. Thanx for the correspondence. I’ll tellyou who I like and get on well with, and I trust them 100% First theres Richard and his many characters, the clucker, Mayhem, Scanner, Supermario, Big dog / little fish, Beefy, Bill Lyle, and hopefully yourself now. There are a few more but I can’t remember their names at the moment. Then there are about 20 others who I’ve had decent conversations with in my 3 months on BIN.
I do go back through my threads because it enables me to familiarise myself better with people I just met. For example I’ll go back and try and find some of your posts, because you are very knowledgeable about things and also you can always miss things when you’re involved in a thread. I can also go to links and look up scripture. Its a very relaxing experience.
Apparently, now I’m officially one of KOSs messengers of the apocalypse after today. He just couldn’t see that I was fun trolling him, it was blatently obvious but he couldn’t see it. So I had a lot of fun today, although the flat earth crowd are downvoting all my comments. I went from positive scores of 3 to negative scores of 4 in the space of about 2 hours. I don’t think the Americans understand my humour, I think I’m funny but they don’t, but who cares!
I’m trying to get KOS to comment bomb the flat earth threads, but I didn’t have any luck on the first attempt, so I tried again . Anyway I let him out of his cage today, and was upvoting all his comments and he been causing mayhem on several threads apparently, now that he thinks he has 2 messengers of the apocalypse. So if he has annoyed you today, then that is because of me. Lol.
Anyway cheers Thoth.
Oops! Sorry if I offended you with last comment. I did say that I was a novice regarding theology, so I didn’t mean to tread on your toes. It was Richards view, that we were kings and because I believe in reincarnation of the soul I didn’t dismiss the idea.i suppose we all have different views on things, it doesn’t make either of us right. I just don’t interpret Revelations the same way as you, so we’ll have to agree to disagree on this issue. Maybe I’ll see things differently the more I learn about theology, and we’ll come more to a concensus when this happens.
But to suggest that reincarnation of the soul is messianic, is just your opinion. I’m not relating things to scripture, because my understanding of it is not good enough. So I say things that I believe in, and this may change whilst being on BIN. I’ve experienced things personally in my life that make me believe in what I do. As to being more important, no I don’t think that, I was just speculating based on Richards assumptions
Mayhem, if you remember the first comment I posted, I said what I believed in, and the reason I said that I believed the rest of the Bible was background noise, is because I just don’t see it as important as the beliefs that I do hold. So when me and Richard think the birds are an omen that is because we think it is. If I think it relates to the end times then that is my opinion, that’s all!
Anyway, thankyou for the chat Mayhem.
Imagining i’m offended tells me you’re too personally invested in this conversation, cobra, in which case you’re not going to like loads of what i have to say. First off; the only time i’m right is when my position lines up 100% with what was written that we should know. I’m no authority and i’m certainly not to be trusted because i’m bound, by weakness, to let you down eventually. And you can, er, trust me on that.
Would you like to be more theologically knowledgeable? Here’s how you might go about it if you do…
http://www.openbible.info/topics/birds
… birds are not a sign. Do you not know the sign?
How come reincarnation-ists never come back as the lowest of the low and how far removed, for all practical purposes, is King from King of Kings?
Regarding my triple header question, which you’ve ignored, there seems to be some church teachings mixed into your Bible knowledge. Yes it is a loaded question and i understand your concern but you’ll gain more respect if you take a stand regardless whether you’re right or wrong.
If you think those questions are tough try this one on for size. Is God perfect? You don’t have to answer, cobra, just give pause for thought that i’d even ask it.
No, I’m not offended, it’s just when I don’t see any positives in a reply, I just realise that I haven’t said the right things or that person hasn’t read my comment right. So I need to reread what I wrote, or have said previously.
I’ll have to do this in bits an not in one comment.
Yes I believe in reincarnation of the soul, but I never said I was a king in a previous life, that was Richard.
No my strong reincarnation experience is of being a poor Irish boy with bad teeth who used to hang around the railway stations buying and selling wares to the travellers and having two older sisters. Not very glamorous is it?
I also have a strong experience of being a Jew in Nazi Germany.
And a third of being an Australian living on the coast.
With regards to the birds being an omen, I made a mistake and shouldn’t have linked it to Revelation or signs in the sky. But I still believe it to be a Message from God. I don’t believe Revelations is going to happen for at least 20 years anyway. So I made a mistake. But I believe the omen stands regardless of how long ago the picture was taken. An dthat it relates to America and many deaths, ie the crows feeding on the corpses.
I’ll answer your other question although I’m a little confused. You mention church teachings an d Bible teachings. Was your question aboutthis or was Iit about whether I thought God is perfect or notAnd if if it about the former what exactly do you mean? You’ll have to elaborate on this point. If it is to do with the latter question then I’ll answer it.
I believe in a creator God who is perfect.
I believe in a New Testament God who is perfect
I believe Jesus is the Divine Son of the New Testament God.
Apart from the 10 commandments which I believe in.
Many of the things in the Old Tesament don’t make any sense to me.
Beef Supremes 6th sense is going to be alerted to the above statement.
I struggle to identify the Old Testament God to the New Testament God as being the same God.
Some of the stories in the Old Testament seem absolutely nonsensicle to me. Now the Adam and Eve story, I believe describes mans transition from a hunter gatherer to a farmer, based on climate change . The story is a lament for his previous life when his food was readily available to being a farmer where he would have to toil in the fields. Of course he is going to feel that God has punished him, and that he had been sinful.
Next the flood. Was it worldwide? Now the aboriginal peoples have been living in Australia for 30, 000 years. And what about the Marsupials?
No, I believe the flooding was more localised, and the animals Noah took on board were native to the area.
Next , if Noah and his family wer the only survivors that would suggest inbreeding and incest occurred in order to repopulate.
A complete list of Mesopotanium kings is known, and there is no mention of a Nimrod in the lists. My person candidate would be Sargon of Akkad who created the worlds first empire.
Beef stated that everybody in the world is a descendent of Abraham. I refer back to the Aborigines again.
If I’m wrong about this correct me, but I think it mentions that sins are passed down four generations. Is that fair that a child should be punished for what their great grandfather did.
There’s lots more, but the thing that I struggle to reconcile how different the God is in the Old Testament compared to the New Testament.
This is why at this present time I like to keep things as simple as possible. I believe in a creator God, the 10 commandments and that Jesus is the Divine Son of God.
Excuse my typing errors on the previous comment Sometimes it doesn’t input properly and I can’t even see the previous 3 words sometimes, and I’m too tired to proof read what I wrote.
I went back and read your questions again, and realised that I didn’t answer your question on who would be saved. Well I have my own personal theory on how the soul is judged and God doesn’t have to get involved at all. But I’m too tired at this moment in time , so I’ll write it tomorrow. Like I said Mayhem I like to keep things very simple in my beliefs , because I’m a complete novice with regards to the Bible.
Rather than answer my simple questions, cobra, you choose to introduce half a dozen, or more, new topics that aren’t relative to our discussion. What does Nimrod, Adam & Eve, evolution, inbreeding/incest, inheritance of sin, climate change and the flood have to do with anything i’ve said?
You cannot pick and choose, cobra, either the Bible is entirely true or we might as well bin it and just try to be good although i’ve no idea how we’d define”good” aside from Scripture.
There’s nothing to explain regarding the difference between what the Bible teaches and what Churches teach other than the fact that only the Bible is true. I’m yet to learn of a single Church that can make the same claim.
But never to mind, cobra, if you’re really interested you’ll figure things out in your own time. In the mean time don’t fret about your spelling nor your time constraints we all have more important things to worry about after all.
I thought I answereed 3 of them, the reincarnation issue, about God, and the bird omen. ? Yes I shouldn’t hav2 used the word ‘ heathen’, I just meant everyone else on BINs, regardless on what they believe in. With respect to saving or not saving, I just don’t buy the idea, at this moment in time. Just be a good person , that is all that is important. I believe the the soul is eternal anyway and in reincarnation of the soul , so to me ‘ saving’ or not ‘ saving ‘ is not an issue.
I’ll leave the theory of mine , for another day. So Mayhem , what questions didn’t I answer, , you’ve flummoxed me there!
Cobra,
Drop me a line off-site if you feel up to it…
[email protected]
Might as well fire a few missiles at that punch-list of yours, and the fellas around here have heard it all a few too many times already.
Only if you feel like it.
Mayhem, my last comment went to the bottom. Beefy, I knew that 6th sense of yours would kick in. This is one of 5he reasons I’m on BIN, because I don’t have a clue regarding scripture, but wo6ld like to learn more, and I think you Beef explain it very well. But I don’t think I’ll ever have a total grasp of it. As you can clearly see I’m very much a work in progress. So I’d be delighted to email you, but the last time I tried to send an email out it wouldn’t work, so I might have to fix it or make a new one.
But to set the ball rolling heres my email address.
Aristotle1965.jc@ hotmail.co.uk. remember theres a dot before the jc
Nope, my message failed to send, so I’ll have to try and fix it. But I definitely can receive messages. So fire away Beefy, and rip me to pieces, but be gentle with it lol
Ive resd through all my comments to you Mayem, and I’ve answered everyone of your questions. However, I do note that a lot of people on the BINs suffer from word blindness eg KOS . So my only suggestion to you is to read all my comments very carefully. You might have more luck in gleaning your answers by doing what I suggest!
See you later aligator.
Mayhem, I don’t know why you keep banging on about church. I’m not a worshiper of churches or religions.
As to you not being able to define good aside from scripture. That has to be one of the daftest statements that I have ever heard. People knew right from wrongway before the Bible was written, or do you thing they were all
Savages then! Really , you Bible people do make me laugh sometimes. Lol
Excuse me, cobra, but you asked for an explanation regarding my opinion on Churches and then state that i’m banging on about it. Pfft, the only one banging on here is you my friend.
For example you wrote a lecture in answer to a question that only required a yes or no answer. If i want to know your reasoning i’ll ask you for it otherwise you’re just preaching. All good, preach till your heart’s content, but don’t expect i’ll be bothering to read much of it. The question was – Is God perfect – which you answered in the affirmative.
Church teaching; the reason i mention it is due to your comments, across several threads, that scream of their lies. I’m glad you’re not a fan of them but that doesn’t stop some of your ideas coming straight from the pulpit.
My intention is to get you answering your own questions, cobra, straight from the Word, to rely on no one for the truth and most importantly to get you to question everything you think you know about the Bible.
However lets drop it, including the triple header with regards to salvation, until after you’ve engaged with Beef a while because you’re about to get a whole new understanding on the biblical narrative. I hope you’re shocked and dismayed at how the vast majority of Church-Elders have corrupted the teachings, laws, prophecies and gospels.
With regards your supposed omnipotence paradox, cobra, all you’ve really shown is that you can’t think things through to their logical conclusion.
The question boils down to – “Is God capable of being incapable” – and it presumes that omnipotence means “without limits” except God is most definitely limited to His nature. It is God’s nature to be logical which the omnipotence paradox lacks regardless it is grammatically sound.
At it’s limit the rock would have to be greater than the universe except the very instant the rock is created it becomes part of the universe therefore the argument is a logical fallacy.
Regarding the rest of your comments, cobra, please excuse me for thinking you had come here to study. Now that i see you’re only here to mock and scoff i’ll temper my responses accordingly going forward.
You’re wordblind Mayhem. You first mention the word church. I never mentioned it, only in response to you mentioning it.Re read the comments and you will see.!
Mayhem. Thankyou for your reply regarding the omnipotence question that I set. I just wanted someone to be able to answer it and you did.
No I’m not here to mock and scoff, but I know I’m guilty of the charge to some degree.
Sometimes I give loaded comments, because I want people to react to these comments and then give me their thoughts on the matter, this is get the answers that I am seeking.
That is why I put all that other irrelevant stuff in my comments, and it has paid off. For Beef Supreme couldn’t resist what I had said, which was my intention from the start. I need a teacher of the scriptures, and I feel Beef Supreme, in my honest opinion, is the best candidate to fulfill my needs.
There is always a method to my madness, and I always have a clear objective in mind. So I apologise for using you as the bait in this regards.
All my comments were deliberately designed to provoke a response, and I feel I achieved what I had set out to achieve.
So thankyou Mayhem, for enabling me to achieve this, and my apologies for using you in order to achieve this.
Speaking of being word-blind, cobra, where did i say that you were the first to mention churches? I mentioned church, you asked me why, i answered and yet i’m banging on about it. Here’s an idea; don’t ask questions if you don’t want a reply.
As to your game playing, cobra, you needn’t bother with me. To elicit a response you need merely ask a question. And don’t bother apologizing while admitting you’re acting with intent unless empty apologies are your thing.
….Two very good reasons to stay with the KJV…..Strong’s concordance, and the influence of Kenite intellectuals on the newer versions…..But if you are expecting to be ‘raptured’…it makes no difference…your understanding of the word of God has been corrupted by “traditions of men”.
Sorry,, Mayhem just one final point. I ntroduced the other issues because you asked me whether God was just, and I have a difficult time reconciling the OT with the NT, because in one of them I think God is not entirely just and in the other I find him to be just. I suppose I do pick and choose but that is because my beliefs are based on my own personal experiences Why, bin the Bible, if you might not accept all of it. Man chose what bits to put in or not what to put in. Man decided to take stories from other cultures, to put into it. I find it a very interesting book, but not necessary totally correct
Hi Cobra
I think the Old Testament would fox many an intellectual mind
A Question that has been put to me many times
Why didn’t God just create the universe initially to be the blissful paradise that heaven is supposedly going to be and leave it at that? Why go through all this drama and have so many people going to hell? Doesn’t he love us?
There really isn’t a rational answer to this question — There is no good reason why an all powerful God couldn’t have just made heaven the initial reality.
That’s a very good question. Maybe to give us challenges, and make it a bit more interesting, I suppose. Maybe everything needs an opposite. Maybe God would be bored with just this scenario. Creative, destructive, positive negative yin and yang.I do have my own theories regarding all these issues, and how we can judge our own souls by our thoughts and our actions. Just leave it a week, email me and I will glady explain my theories and present you with other works that explain all this.
Adious Matt , glad to see you were still on this thread. It’s much more relaxing like this don’t you agree?
Cobra
I must admit I do have theories myself on the meaning of life and making science and the Bible fit.
Some interesting point of view on here and I always read through them, there a few posters I might not agree with but I respect their conviction
Matt and Cobra
If I may I would like to answer Matt’s question.
The entire reason for all of creations i.e. the heavens and the earth can be found in Genesis 1: 26. ELOHIYM told mankind from the very beginning what They were doing here on earth.
26 And God said, —Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: –and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
27 So God created man in his [own] image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
Elohiym is reproducing Their own kind here on earth. Elohiym is plural which is revealed later to be the Father and the Son.
God’s HOLY Righteous Divine Nature or character can not be created by a fiat command; it must be developed over time. We are living in tabernacles, temporary dwelling with a shelf life.
If a person refuses to allow God to develop within them God’s Holy Righteous Divine Nature that person is rejected and ceases to exist.
ELOHIYM is the Divine Family and we are to be born again into this Family.
Philippians 3: 21 states we are to have a new body, one exactly like Jesus Christ ‘s.
I hope you will use your knowledge of God’s Word to determine if this be truth.
cobra
If I may, let me step in with something for you to consider.
God is the LAW GIVER and must follow His own law. God is not a hypocrite like a man.
The Torah which Moses wrote down, the 5 books, is the “LAW” and God demands man live by the Torah and God Himself must also live by the Torah. Actually the Torah reveals God’s Nature.
Everything God has done in the Old Testament complies with the Torah and is Torah legal.
Everything Christ taught during His 3 1/2 years was from the Torah.
Even Abraham obeyed the Torah, In Genesis 26: 5 it states Abraham kept MY charge, My Commandments and MY statutes and My “Torah”, the word ‘law’ is the word Torah.
If God will not obey the same Laws He demands mankind to follow we are in deep trouble.
But God is not a liar like men – We are being judged against the Torah, the Torah is the plumb line we are measured against and God is just.
Truthseeker
You said
God is the LAW GIVER and must follow His own law. God is not a hypocrite like a man
In the Old Testament, God commanded his people to exterminate many tribes in what could be considered Genocide. Doesn’t one of the ten commandments say “Do not kill”?
So it’s wrong for us to kill, but it’s OK if God says so?
If death is a penalty for unrighteousness, and God is a God of justice, then it is imperative that many be put to death.
Death is a punishment. Justice demands it. But we are not judges and are not to kill in the name of justice unless He commands it.
He also wrote:
Whomsoever sheds man’s blood, by man shall his blood be shed.
Who died on the cross again, slain at the hand of man?
Matt
The Torah states no man can be put to death without at least two witnesses.
God stated in one place that a certain tribe of people were not to be touched as yet — because their cup of iniquity had not as yet over flowed.
God is just and the Torah is a witness against us.
Before the wicked can be cast into the Lake of Fire and cease to exist forever they are to be raised to physical life by a third resurrection and judged by at least 2 witnesses, they will be judged, condemned and cast into the Lake of Fire which is the 2nd death.
Beef Supreme
This is problem murdering in the name of God,this is exactly what ISIL/DAESH are doing in Iraq/Syria,they believe with the same conviction… To me it’s not right and I think it speaks more of a middle eastern blood lust culture rather than God..
Matt,
Have you mistaken ISLAM for having some authentic connection with the written Word of God?
Despite what Freeman and Williams would have you to believe, the Koran is most assuredly not the Word of God. That means those who obey the tenets of Islam are not obeying God. They are obedient to something else. The last time God ordered any of His people to kill was under the Old Covenant.
Islam slays to appease Ba’al(ah).
Matt wrote:
“There really isn’t a rational answer to this question — There is no good reason why an all powerful God couldn’t have just made heaven the initial reality.”
There is, actually. The answer is obscured in all of the English translations which, for one reason or another, all insist upon translating the Greek word AON as ETERNITY.
There is AIONIAN punishment. That is, there is age-abiding punishment. But the New Testament makes it abundantly clear that there are many more ages to come.
Greek Manuscripts convey a completely different message than one of eternal punishment. They also convey a much clearer reason for why God has chosen to do things as He has done them.
Hi Beef
This is one for you to ponder on as I do struggle with The OT at times and I respect your answers as you gave some food for thought yesterday.
God is omnipotent,then obvious reality — that God is responsible for evil.
Anyone denying this implication is in denial of what their Bible says. It is quite evident in Job 1:9 – 12, where God literally commands Satan to smite Job. To make matters worse, God prescribes a particular method for the administration of Job’s suffering. God is giving a direct commandment to Satan. It is literally right there in plain, clear black and white.
The part that should utterly blow your mind is not that Job was faithful, but the fact that Job’s suffering only came upon him by proxy. The Devil is acting as God’s executioner here — literally going out and having Job’s family slain, his possessions taken from him and causing him to become destitute in the streets. Thus Job’s faith in God here is irrelevant.
Now you know where evil originates from, and why God allowed mankind to sin. If the devil is our enemy and our enemy is the servant of our God, then we are royally screwed.
“God is omnipotent, then obvious reality — that God is responsible for evil.”
Ultimately, God is responsible for everything in the Heavens and the Earth. And Scripture never says otherwise. Nowhere in the Bible does it say that God is not responsible for everything. Rather, it is written that He has created everything. Theologically and philosophically, this very issue is discussed at length in the Book of Job (which you here quote from), where Job and his friends were lamenting the apparent unfairness and injustice inherent in this world. God actually responded to their complaints personally. In essence, what He said was this:
‘Were you there when I laid the foundations of the Earth? Were you there when I measured the seas in the palm of My hand? Were you there when the luminaries were placed into the firmament? Have you weighed the dust of the Earth or have you counted the stars?’
He made his point very well in the Book od Job, which is this: He is doing something. He has plans which began before the Heavens and the Earth were created. He has plans for US. It is written:
Do not presume to say to yourselves, ‘We have Abraham as our father,’ for I tell you, God is able from these stones to raise up children for Abraham.
Fact: If God wanted to create a kingdom of fully-formed spirit beings, He could have done exactly that.
Fact: If God wanted to create a kingdom of fully-formed spirit beings, He WOULD have done exactly that.
FACT: God addresses the Antichrist (the Assyrian) in the Old Testament and tells him, You are a tool in My hands. You serve no purpose but My purpose. You mean only to serve your own purpose, but in truth you are MY servant:
Isaiah 10:5-7
O Assyrian, the rod of Mine anger, and the staff in their hand is Mine indignation.
I will send him against an hypocritical nation, and against the people of My wrath will I give him a charge, to take the spoil, and to take the prey, and to tread them down like the mire of the streets.
Howbeit he meaneth not so, neither doth his heart think so; but it is in his heart to destroy and cut off nations not a few.
The Assyrian intends to serve himself. Satan intends to serve himself. ALL of the authors of evil in this world intend to serve themselves and to serve their own purposes. But in the end, everything these evil authors do will turn to the service of God’s will. God’s will WILL be done by the ignorant self-worshipper and all will redound to the furtherance of His purposes.
“God literally commands Satan to smite Job.”
God gave Satan permission to smite Job.
“God is giving a direct commandment to Satan. It is literally right there in plain, clear black and white.”
Satan is a servant of the Most High.
“The part that should utterly blow your mind is not that Job was faithful, but the fact that Job’s suffering only came upon him by proxy. The Devil is acting as God’s executioner here — literally going out and having Job’s family slain, his possessions taken from him and causing him to become destitute in the streets. Thus Job’s faith in God here is irrelevant.”
You have completely misconstrued the Book of Job, and it sounds almost as though you never finished reading it through to the end. Job was faithful. But what was Job’s offence? Job blamed God for being unrighteous but God showed Job that nothing could be further from the truth. Satan challenged God and said Job would curse God if only a few of his things were destroyed. That failed and Satan was proven a liar. Satan upped the ante. God agreed. Still, Job did not curse God and Satan was found a liar. This happened a third time, until Job was reduced to his infamous pitiable state. All of Job’s worldly things were taken from him. But nothing of real (abiding) value was ever touched. God condescended in the whirlwind to become a participant in the conversation between Job, Eliphaz, Bildad, Zophar and Elihu. And one by one, God showed each of them to be in error.
“Now you know where evil originates from, and why God allowed mankind to sin. If the devil is our enemy and our enemy is the servant of our God, then we are royally screwed.”
I see you do not trust the Most High. What did Job say about that? He said: Though He SLAY ME, yet will I trust in Him. Now THAT is trust. That is faith. And even Job was found to be unrighteous for imagining some of the same things about God you are imagining about Him right now.
The point is this: There is a hierarchical order in the Kingdom of Heaven. Salvation from His wrath at the end of the age is given to us through His Grace because of our faith. But that’s not a reward. It is a gift. Messiah speaks in many places about a reward. Here is the reward:
That we play a part in determining our placement in this hierarchy of the Kingdom. That we are set in this Labyrinthine world as sojourners in an evil and confusing wilderness, which we will NEVER be able to navigate without help from the Word of God and from His Spirit. But if we study to show ourselves approved, and if we conduct our affairs according to the Instructions He has given us, then we will play no small role in determining our placement in the hierarchy of the Kingdom of Heaven, which is coming here to Earth at the end of this age.
Some will be resurrected to aionian life. And some will be resurrected to aionian (age-abiding) shame.
I look at it this way Matt. For the universe to work properly you need creation as well as destruction. Like the sun for example.
Big stars are destroyed and smaller suns are created from the debris, everything in the universe is recycled to a degree.
So for good to exist there has to be evil also. Even God needs weapons ofsome sort, these weapons aren’t likely to be good are they? Like smiting people. Maybe he needs evil to do this smiting because it wouldn’t be right for good to do it. Remember as well as particles there are antiparticles, so basically I feel that evil has to exist for the universe to work.
There did you see what I did. I mixed science and scripture together.
These are just my ramblings everyone, pure speculation.
Beef did you get my email?
I got your email cobra, and sent you one in reply.
Matt, sometimes life isn’t far. Look at a volcanic eruption, and how it can destroy peoples and communities. But that same eruption brings life with it with its nutrients and minerals, that life needs in order to flourish. It’s all about recycling at the end of the day. God needs to destroy evil, so the good can establish itself. It’s just the way it has to be for the universe to work properly. God has to destroy in order to create. Malice doesn’t come into it.
Thanx truthseeker for your comment. Thanx Beef for your reply
God is eliminating the weeds, so the crops can grow and flourish. But those crops need to be harvested, otherwise, they will just wither.
I like to think of God as a farmer with humans as the crop.
Cobra
You all most sound like your an advocate of Pantheism
Hi Cobra
I grew in a strong Christian family,my father was a C of E minister so religion was never far away.I think as you educate yourself yourself through Uni I advocated Deism,my scientific Brain is a Deist,my heart is Christian
Matt
With regards to God being responsible for evil, my personal opinion is that God created man with the ability to express free will, so that man could choose to serve creation, or destruction. To work in cooperation with all that is, in service of creation, or to compete with all that is, in service of the self. The way I see it, is that all creation is an expression of the creator. It is my belief that His spirit gives rise to all life, as a means of experiencing all aspects and possibilities of His creation simultaneously, making Him all knowing and everywhere at once.
Although God did indeed create everything, I believe the evil we see on earth can be chalked up to the expression of the free will choices of men who choose to serve only themselves. I believe those who serve only themselves see the world as a competition, “survival of the fittest”. Societal institutions teach us from a young age to “look out for number one”, the self. This breeds the mentality that we must do whatever it takes to get ourselves ahead, even if it involves lying, cheating and stealing. From time immemorial, selfish kings have sent many men to die on the battlefield simply to increase their perceived power. Those who dominate the business world have gotten to where they are now by eliminating their competition. Likewise, those who hope to rise in politics are forced to sacrifice the wellbeing of those they are supposed to be representing, in favor of receiving the necessary campaign contributions. In other words, they sell out their country in order to advance their personal careers
The kill or be killed, “survival of the fittest”, service of the self mentality could be why we have military superpowers attacking defenseless third world nations for their valuable resources. This could be why success in today’s society is measured by financial wealth and material possessions. This mentality breeds a superiority complex in those who have acquired tremendous financial wealth and material possessions. Sadly, ones worth in society (in general) is measured by his occupational position in the machine that enslaves us all. This can be seen when we meet somebody new. What’s one of the first questions they ask? What do you do?
The way I see it, is that the chaotic state of world affairs we see today is the direct result of the free will choices of those who choose to serve themselves, who are willing to trample the weak and hurdle the dead just to maintain their perceived position of superiority and dominance. If nothing else, this group, their works and the result thereof, serve as a testament to what one should expect (destruction) when we choose the path of selfishness, which might encourage the rest of us to choose the path of selflessness (creation).
Obviously, I haven’t quoted any scripture to support this and I could be wrong, but this is the current conclusion to which my research and inner reflection has led me.
Didn’t read what you said until now Thoth. How did I miss it? You’re some sort of genius. I’ll definitly be paying close attention to everything you have to say in the future.
Beef
Thanks for your informative reply your take on my ramblings is appreciated
Matt
Matt. I suppose that I’m taking a pantheistic approach with regards to scripture, so that I can get my head around it. But pantheism involves a non- involved God, whereas I now believe he likes to get his hands dirty, and has some involvement in proceedings.
But yes, I’ve always believed in pantheism of some sort. Lol, what do you believe Matt?
If God is omnipotent then he can create anything. So can’t he then create something really heavy for example, that he cannot lift. Paradox
Cobra,
Its been a few days now and it came to mind to write one more reply to you here.
First, please realise, that taking what I wrote to you here in the replies personally – including and especially, what I wrote to you about Satan – isna mistake, so do not take it personally.
The reason not to take it personally, is because that actually happens to EVERYONE here, so, it was not said to single you out, however, your false accusations demanded that it HAD to be said. He actually does it to everyone, often without people realising it is happening to them, but also because the ego won’t let a person admit it.
It now APPEARS like BIN is censoring Abdiel Freeman’s articles, which if they are, just means they are taking the coward’s way out and afraid of the truth. I say APPEARS. Time will tell.
As to what you wrote about me, it matters not to me what you wish to accuse me of, even though it is not true. Sad to say it, but I’m pretty used to that, by now.
“All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.” – Arthur Schopenhauer.
We are not satanists. We champion God’s Cause, and promote the keeping of His Commandments and His Laws.
So, calling us satanists, when we are here championing God’s Cause and His Laws, is therefore very obviously a false accusation/attack/slander (exactly what you would expect satan to say) because it is the exact opposite of the reality. (See Isaiah 5:20).
So, hopefully I’m wrong about BIN appearing to censor and it was it just a glitch on BIN, regarding Abdiel Freeman’s last article, and not BIN stooping to such lows as censorship.
But as always, time will tell.