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MY PERSONAL VIEW CONCERNING THE CHURCH OF ROME

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I MAKE A GREAT DISTINCTION BETWEEN CATHOLICS AS PEOPLE AND THE RELIGIOUS SYSTEM THAT IS THE CHURCH OF ROME. I find it easy to befriend Catholics while standing opposed to the doctrines and practices of the Catholic Church. Both the Church and the people have a right to their beliefs. There are many instances in which they are convinced that I am wrong. I do not hold that against them. They will and often do, stand up to me and tell me why they believe I am wrong. I am not going to change my mind but I respect them and I listen to them.

You do not have to agree with me. You must choose your own standard. My personal standard, the very foundation upon which I stand, is the Bible. It is, for me, the absolute standard by which all doctrine and religious belief stand or fall. I accept it as absolute, unquestionable truth.

Where we speak of any group or system of belief, my standard is the same. Does it agree with or contradict the Word of God? Where any church, religion, group or individual promotes any belief or doctrine that is opposed to Scripture, I stand opposed.

NEITHER THE IMMACULATE CONCEPTION OF MARY NOR THE ASSUMPTION OF MARY ARE IN THE BIBLE.  Pope Pius IX declared the Immaculate Conception of Mary an article of faith on December 8, 1854. The Assumption of Mary was not even Catholic Doctrine until 1950 when Pope Pius XII declared it to be so. Since the declarations of the Popes not only invent new things not found in Scripture but also violate several clear Biblical concepts, I reject that doctrine. This is consistent with my foundational standard.

Let us not talk about my knowledge of the Catholic Religion. Let us use Catholic sources and Catholic Bibles. Every word of this is from well-known and accepted Catholic sources.

In his book The Faith of Millions, John O’Brien, a Catholic priest and Research Professor of Theology at Notre Dame, explains the procedure of the mass.

“When the priest pronounces the tremendous words of consecration, he reaches up into the heavens, brings Christ down from His throne, and places Him upon our altar to be offered up again as the Victim for the sins of man. It is a power greater than that of monarchs and emperors: it is greater than that of saints and angels, greater than that of Seraphim and Cherubim. Indeed it is greater even than the power of the Virgin Mary. While the Blessed Virgin was the human agency by which Christ became incarnate a single time, the priest brings Christ down from heaven, and renders Him present on our altar as the eternal Victim for the sins of man—not once but a thousand times! The priest speaks and lo! Christ, the eternal and omnipotent God, bows His head in humble obedience to the priest’s command.”

COMPARE THAT WITH:

24 For Jesus is not entered into the holies made with hands, the patterns of the true: but into heaven itself, that he may appear now in the presence of God for us.

25 Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holies, every year with the blood of others:

26 For then he ought to have suffered often from the beginning of the world: but now once at the end of ages, he hath appeared for the destruction of sin, by the sacrifice of himself.

27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, and after this the judgment:

28 So also Christ was offered once to exhaust the sins of many; the second time he shall appear without sin to them that expect him unto salvation. Hebrews 9:24-28 Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition (DRA)

So, how would you reconcile this? Do you side with the Bible or the Esteemed Professor of Catholic Theology? I personally cannot reconcile the two opposing ideas. Consistent with my deepest principle, I reject the Catholic Doctrine of the Mass. The same principle causes me to reject Catholic doctrine concerning Mariology, Saints and Purgatory.

John O’Brien: Research Professor of Theology at Notre Dame and prolific author of books and pamphlets.

Born 20 January 1893 in Peoria, Illinois, John A. O’Brien attended St. Patrick School, the Spalding Institute, Holy Cross College (Worcester, Massachusetts), and St. Viator’s College (Bourbonnais, Illinois). Bishop Edmund M. Dunne ordained him as a priest of the Diocese of Peoria and he celebrated his first Mass 18 June 1916. He served as chaplain for the Catholic students at the University of Illinois and earned a Ph.D. in psychology there. He started the Newman Foundation at the University of Illinois. He began his career as an author of Catholic books by organizing symposia (Catholics and Scholarship and The White Harvest) and writing about Evolution and Religion. In 1938 he published a book about Catholicism called The Faith of Millions which became a best seller (200,000 copies by 1945), was reprinted in 27 editions, and was translated into 10 languages. He remained at the University of Illinois for twenty-two years. In 1939 he spent a year at Oxford University and produced a book about communism, Thunder from the Left. (http://archives.nd.edu/findaids/ead/html/OBR.htm)



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    • Choronzon, Lord of Dispersion

      They, the victims of Catholicism, do NOT have a ‘right” to a belief system that paralysis them from taking preemptive action to PROTECT their children of both genders from the all MALE MONSTERS THAT RUN THE LONGEST RUNNING, LARGEST CRIMINAL ORGANIZATION THAT EVER EXISTED, THE HOLY ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH, with a specialty in Pedophilia.
      SINCE YOU “catholic” leeches DO not PAY any taxes at any level of government, HERE, IN THE united Fraudulent Fascist states of TORTURE and MILITARY TERROR, including NO property tax on the “church”, it will be NO LOSS TO ANYONE, when your vile “church” no longer exists.

      Why was the RICO statute NOT used against the Catholic church after it was confirmed, in open civil court in two American cities (Los Angeles and Boston), that Cardinals, the highest ranking “catholics” in a given area, knew that child rape was going on and not only DID NOT report the crime to Police, BUT, moved the perpetrators of the pedophile CRIMES to other parishes to continue the RAPE of children???

      AND THESE bastards, known as “Cardinals”, were NOT charged with any crime, and BOTH have fled the united Fraudulent Fascist states of TORTURE and MILITARY TERROR and now reside in the Vatican!!!

      If this (THE documented and proven on going pedophile CRIMES within the “Roman catholic church”) is NOT an “on going criminal enterprise”, THEN WHAT IS?????

      DO A STORY ABOUT THAT RICO violation!!!

      It is a pleasure to view in this lifetime the UTTER AND TOTAL DESTRUCTION of the roman catholic church!!!!!
      FREEK IN PERVERTS (for christ, of course)!!

      • cyberkahuna

        Choronzon, Lord of Dispepsia:

        “MALE MONSTERS THAT RUN THE LONGEST RUNNING, LARGEST CRIMINAL ORGANIZATION THAT EVER EXISTED, THE HOLY ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH, with a specialty in Pedophilia.”
        Hmmmm. Yaaaa NOT according to the christian science monitor it appears this specialty in pedophilia actually is WAY more prevalent in the masonic protestant churches and Godless public systems who aren’t transparent in this matter and pay off the victims so it doesn’t get into the news or to the congregation this includes the story authors beloved Lutheran false church. http://www.csmonitor.com/2002/0405/p01s01-ussc.html But don’t take my word for it or the protestant christian science monitor. Instead lets go to the people that actually insure these protestant creeps and do the actual payoffs for the fraction of crimes that get reported to them. Yes fraction! Most are paid off before an insurance claim to keep insurance costs on the offenders down. :grin: http://www.insurancejournal.com/news/national/2007/06/18/80877.htm And don’t forget to do a google search and find out just how many lawyers settle for these protestant churches and public schools as a full time thing!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

        “SINCE YOU “catholic” leeches DO not PAY any taxes at any level of government, HERE, IN THE united Fraudulent Fascist states of TORTURE and MILITARY TERROR, including NO property tax on the “church”,

        News flash!!! MOST churches of ANY denomination in the US are tax exempt period. what a fool thing to say. :lol:

        “If this (THE documented and proven on going pedophile CRIMES within the “Roman catholic church”) is NOT an “on going criminal enterprise”, THEN WHAT IS?????”

        Well from the numbers in the christian science monitor and the insurance journal as solid PROOF I’m going with all protestant churches and all school systems. :lol: :lol:

        “It is a pleasure to view in this lifetime the UTTER AND TOTAL DESTRUCTION of the roman catholic church!!!!!
        FREEK IN PERVERTS (for christ, of course)!!”

        Ya good luck with that. Likewise it’s a pleasure knowing you are wasting your little life waiting for mason backed protestant conspiracy story book CRAP :twisted: that’s NOT gonna happen. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

    • BEEF SUPREME

      “NEITHER THE IMMACULATE CONCEPTION OF MARY NOR THE ASSUMPTION OF MARY ARE IN THE BIBLE.”

      Doc,

      With respect to your stated views on Catholicism, I’m with you all the way. But with respect to the above quote, I find partial cause for dispute.

      There’s no arguing the second portion of that statement – in fact, Scripture makes it clear that there has been no such ‘assumption’, or any other ascendancy, save for those events specifically delineated in the written Word. However, the first point is absolutely arguable.

      Should it not be so that, even in the absence of Matthew 1:23, students of the Word might discern on their own – by the light they are given from the volume of the Book – that Messiah would have to have been conceived via extraordinary means? I believe it is so.

      Adam-kind became cursed when Adam sinned – not when Eve sinned:

      “Wherefore as by one man sin entered into the world…” (Romans 5:12)

      Adam’s sin is imputed to his children:

      “For if through the offense of one many be dead…” (Romans 5:14)

      …and…

      “For as by one man’s disobedience many were made sinners…” (Romans 5:19)

      Luke alludes to the Virgin Birth as well when he says of Messiah:

      “And Jesus Himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph…” (Luke 3:23)

      Scripture is without any mention of sin or unrighteousness being passed from mother to child. And in order for Messiah to have finished His work as a PERFECT atoning sacrifice for the sins of Adam-kind, He could not have shared in the sin transmitted through the father’s line. The Sacrifice had to be without blemish of any kind, as we learn well reading the Law of Moses. Messiah would have to have been conceived via extraordinary means.

      Isaiah 7:17 has it: “Behold, a virgin (HE ALMAH) shall conceive…”

      This should be rendered in translation as ‘THE virgin shall conceive.’ And there isn’t much room for an argument about ALMAH not meaning ‘virgin’ – despite the Hebrew word for ‘virgin’ being ‘BETHULAH’: an ALMAH ceases being an ALMAH the moment she ceases also being a BETHULAH. Again, the ‘almah’ cannot be an ‘almah’ without also being ‘bethulah.’ After union with a man any ‘almah’ is no more an ‘almah’ but becomes either a wife, or a whore.

      Matthew 1:23 confirms the wording: “Behold, a virgin shall conceive…”

      In both instances, the word (the Hebrew הנּה ‘hinnêh’ and Greek ̓δού ‘idou’ equivalent) BEHOLD is used. BEHOLD is not indicative of a typical pregnancy.

      All of the above militates, I believe, for a stance which roundly endorses an extraordinary Virgin Birth of Messiah, as being conceived via supernatural intervention from on High, and not via any ordinary, earthly means.

      The Catholics get ALMOST everything else wrong – but on this point it would seem that they consulted the Word. The icing on the cake is the fact that an investigation into charges of biblical plagiarism from pagan mythological sources leads, IN ALL CASES, to the discovery that the pagan mythoses adopted their own versions of virgin births only AFTER the Messiah walked in the land.

      • Anonymous

        the Immaculate conception refers to mary being born without sin. it is not about how Jesus was conceived .

        • BEEF SUPREME

          Is that so?

          Then I’ve confounded and conflated my Catholic dogmas. The Virgin Birth is not the same as the immaculate conception. Got it.

          Now that you mention it, it seems I used to know that.

          Please forgive the sermon on Messiah’s conception and birth. In any event, I enjoyed writing it.

          Has the Roman Rite declared Mary a full member of the ‘trinity’ yet? Have they elevated her even higher than Messiah?

          These things take time.

        • Anonymous

          I have no doubt, that Jesus has a special place in his heart for his earthly mother. Mark 3:35 For whosoever shall do the will of god. he is my brother, and sister and mother…… Mary said ” Be it done to me according to your word” from luke 1:38. she said yes and did the will of god…… she also prayed for me in words I could not understand. part of a series of dreams I had.. back in 07

        • BEEF SUPREME

          “I have no doubt, that Jesus has a special place in his heart for his earthly mother.”

          Was Miriam not referred to by an emissary from on High as blessed among women? I’ve never once seen a student of the Word criticize Miriam. The compulsion to defend her emanates solely from the Catholic court of apologetics.

          “Mark 3:35 For whosoever shall do the will of god. he is my brother, and sister and mother…”

          I would add, however, that this was said while Messiah allowed His earthly mother to remain standing on the outside of His called group.

          “Mary said ” Be it done to me according to your word” from luke 1:38. she said yes and did the will of god…”

          There is no doubt that Miriam enjoys a place of esteem even amongst the most blessed.

          “…she also prayed for me in words I could not understand. part of a series of dreams I had.. back in 07…”

          I’ll not shrink from saying that this is problematic. I don’t doubt your word, but consider the power that has made ‘Mary’ appearances his stock-in-trade. And I would ask you: Did you vet the spirit? Even in our dreams we can put the spirits to the test. In the event of any personal visitation, we are obliged to do this and they are obliged to answer, according to the written Word. Any refusal to answer is, in and of itself, an answer.

          Scripture teaches us how to test the spirits. And we are warned, repeatedly, about the nature and the disguises employed by the principalities against whom we wrestle. Any spirit or personage manifesting and self-identifying as ‘Mary’ should automatically be viewed as an agent of the Ba’alim – all prayers they may or may not have said for you notwithstanding. To whom was she praying? You have already admitted you do not know. Do not overlook the immense intelligence and the awesome power of the Enemy. His ability to deceive cannot be outmatched.

        • Anonymous

          I do test the spirits. and do get tested. REV. 3:19 Such as I love I rebuke and chastise. Be zealous therefore, and do penance….. I have no BEEF with you… nor do I seek your approval. Jesus is my lord and Savior.

        • BEEF SUPREME

          Even reading in the Douay-Rheims will prove to you that there is more than one Jesus. And don’t mistake my conversing with you frankly for thinking you owe me subordination. I say what I mean – even while BEEF is under his one month ban from these pages.

          Make sure you’re throwing in with the right Jesus. The right Jesus is the one revealed to us in the written Word, in minute detail. The Word itself tells us that no sacred teaching and no sacred tradition are to be considered as additional authorities to what is written. And it is our job to know what is written. Each of us will be held accountable for the conclusions we come away with after studying the Word. We are all answerable for any man, or institution of men, we allow to deceive us.

          In similar fashion to the sentiment expressed in the article above, I have no BEEF with the Catholic faithful. My BEEF lies with the initiates themselves – the upper echelon of the monarchical hierarchy; the gearwheel of the Roman Rite.

    • max jones

      …..If anyone is interested….there’s a video I can’t send a link to it, but put “Lucifer worship in the Vatican” in your browser….You will find it worth the nausea. :cool:

      • cyberkahuna

        max jones : “…..If anyone is interested….there’s a video I can’t send a link to it, but put “Lucifer worship in the Vatican” in your browser….You will find it . :cool:

        Instead I chose to put false teachings of the protestant church in my browser. I found that “worth the nausea” :wink:

    • The Real Deal

      Look at the priest… He’s holding up a disc. The wafer is circular for a reason. It’s the SUN, and the wine is the fruits of the sun once it finishes its life cycle ABOVE the Equator. This is pagan Sun Worship, that’s why everything in the Catholic church praises the SUN, on SUN-day! I’m going to get downvoted and chastised, and I understand. But it’s all right there in front of you. It doesn’t matter if you believe it or not, THEY DO! Hating on me isn’t going to change this.

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