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RELIGIOUS DECEPTION AND THE PRE TRIBULATION RAPTURE

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“It’s easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled.” Mark Twain

 

1 Timothy 4:1 Now the Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will depart from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and the teachings of demons, 2 through the hypocrisy of liars whose consciences are seared.

 

Jessie Penn-Lewis wrote, “The reason for the fall will be a giving heed to deceiving spirits, i.e., the nature of their working being not known evil, but deception, which is a covered working. The essence of deception is that the operation is looked upon as sincere and pure. The nature of the deception will be in doctrines of demons, i.e., the deception will be in a doctrinal sphere. The way of deception will be that the “doctrines” are delivered with ‘hypocrisy,’ i.e. spoken as if true.”1

 

What if you were taught a deceptive and false doctrine, repeatedly, all of your life by your Pastor in your Church? What if he believed it with all of his heart, not being “evil” but rather, deceived? If Pre-Trib is a false doctrine, and I personally believe that it is, millions and millions of God fearing, born again, Christians are living in deception. What is worse, that deception has opened them up to the Great Deception that is coming.

 

I have, in many other articles and places, attempted to show why I believe that the doctrine of a Pre Tribulation Rapture cannot be proven in Scripture. For the sake of this article, I will not repeat those arguments here. Let us assume, for the sake of these few paragraphs, that it is not Biblical. If you sincerely believe that it is, humor me and play along for the moment.

 

Prior to 1830, no church taught about a Pre-trib Rapture in their creed, catechism or statement of faith. You cannot find any example of such a teaching published by any denomination or church prior to that date. A few isolated references that could be construed to support a Pre-trib Rapture may be found among the writings of the Church Fathers but none of them ever developed such a doctrine.

 

There are conflicting stories as to where he got the idea but the first person to ever develop the idea of a Pre-trib Rapture as a Church Doctrine was John Darby. If you are interested in his story, Google his name and read several different accounts of his life. His biographers tend to twist the story one way or the other, depending on their acceptance or rejection of the Pre-trib Doctrine.

 

One of his earliest converts to this doctrine was Dwight L. Moody. Moody Bible Institute was the first purveyor of this doctrine in the United States. The doctrine… the idea that Jesus could come at any minute, was an Evangelist’s dream. This idea literally scarred the Hell out of sinners and sent them running to the altars, begging for forgiveness. The new doctrine flooded the churches with new converts… Right of wrong, Pastors saw the results sitting in the pews and in the money in the plate. It was a winner from the start.

 

Christians loved this new teaching because, like all of us, the idea of being beheaded for the sake of the Gospel was not a pleasant thought. Who needs tribulation? If someone who sounds like they know what they are saying tells me that I do not have to worry about the Tribulation, I want to believe them… this is personal! This man is telling me that I will not have to suffer… I want to believe that! If he pulls a large number of passages out of the Bible and tells me that, taken together, they prove his doctrine, why would I challenge him? He is telling me something that I desperately want to believe.

 

The very heart of deception that targets Christians and the Church is that it sounds real, it sounds Biblical, it has the outward appearance of righteousness, goodness and holiness… this isn’t sin, this is God!!!

 

This kind of deception is always something that appeals to our flesh. It is something we want. Let me give a few examples:

  1. NAME IT CLAIM IT (God wants you rich)
  2. YOUR BEST LIFE NOW (God wants you happy)
  3. HYPER-GRACE (God will let you live in sin and go to Heaven too)
  4. THE NAME (Here is a secret that will make God Happy)
  5. LEGALISM (If you follow these rules, you will be holier than anyone else)
  6. LAW (if you follow the Torah, you can keep the Salvation Jesus gave you)
  7. PRE-TRIB RAPTURE (You don’t have to suffer)

 

Numbers one through three feed the flesh while sounding godly. The heresy is that they teach a human centric Gospel. The Bible teaches that everything is for the Glory of God. These preachers teach that God exists to make you happy. Scripture teaches that you exist to glorify God.

 

Four through six teach that there are things that you must do in order to become righteous and earn the blessings of God. These feed the part of man that rejects charity. This feeds our need to earn everything. We are repulsed by the idea that we are hopeless sinners and that God reached out through Jesus Christ and made us holy and righteous. All we have to do is believe? Surely there must be something that I can do to make me holy and righteous… People ensnared in these heresies feel more righteous and more holy than anyone else in the world… Unfortunately for them, the Bible says that the Blood of Christ washes us and nothing that we can do can improve on what God has already done.

 

Having been saved, we obey God out of love and gratefulness. Those who have no desire to repent of sin and live a holy life have never been saved. Those who obey in a frustrated attempt to earn the favor of God, have never been saved.

 

Number seven makes us feel special. All those who have rejected Christ are going to suffer but God would never let his Children suffer. It gives us a great sense of relief, it calms our fear of suffering and it is a lie.

 

Heaven will be Heaven! “In this world” as Jesus said, “You will have tribulation.”

 

“Plures efficimur, quoties metumur a vobis; semen est sanguis christianorum.” (We multiply whenever we are mown down by you; the blood of Christians is seed.) This quote is often reworded, “The blood of the martyrs is the seed of the church.” (Tertullian, Apologeticus, 50, s. 13.)

 

Nowhere does history or Scripture teach that God protects his people from suffering. Jesus could have prevented the beheading of John the Baptist but He chose not to do so. The Old Testament is filled with stories of the suffering of God’s people. In the New Testament we read of suffering, stoning and beheading. Early Church History is full of unbelievable suffering. Eleven of the twelve Apostles were martyred for their faith. Modern History is full of the suffering and death of believers. Sources estimate that more than one hundred thousand Christians have died for their faith in the last twelve months alone and millions have been displaced. There is no Scriptural or historical precedent for the supernatural salvation of the Church from the pain of the Tribulation.

 

IF YOU DID NOT ALREADY BELIEVE IN THE PRE-TRIB RAPTURE, reading the passages quoted as “proof” of a Pre-trib Rapture would never lead you to believe any such thing. Not one verse, in all of Scripture, guarantees a Pre-trib Rapture. The most sincere and well-studied believer in the Pretribulation Rapture, cannot give you such a verse. When someone who desperately wants to believe in a Pre-trib Rapture, reads the affirmations by the doctrine’s purveyors and then reads those verses (along with detailed notes explaining how the verse supports the doctrine) one can believe. When one begins to study those Scriptures without the helpful notes, he finds that, in fact, those verses say no such thing.

 

Why does the doctrine continue?

1.NO ONE WANTS TO SUFFER

2.IT IS A GREAT EVANGELICAL TOOL

3.PREACHERS FIND IT HARD TO SAY THE WORDS, “I WAS WRONG.”

4.“IT’S EASIER TO FOOL PEOPLE THAN TO CONVINCE THEM THAT THEY HAVE BEEN FOOLED.”

 

What is the danger inherent in the doctrine?

1.CHRISTIANS ARE COMPLACIENT

2.CHRISTIANS ARE NOT WATCHING

3.SIGNS ARE MISSED AND MISINTERPRETED

4.“IT CAN’T BE THE MARK, THE RAPTURE HASN’T HAPPENED!”

 

Deceptive doctrine, taught by hypocritical spirits always combines scripture, partial truth and something that feeds the flesh, disguised in religious language. It never appears to be sin. On the contrary, it is sold as a Blessing from God!



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    • max jones

      ….Ezek 13:20…..
      ….Wherefore thus sayeth the Lord god; Behold, I am against your pillows, Wherewith ye there hunt the souls to make them fly, and I will tear them from your arms, and I will tear them from your arms, and to let the souls go, even the souls that ye hunt to make them fly. :cool:

      • iu cant handle the truth

        Excellent Scripture….yes they brang there pillows and sat and listened to the Pastors then…who said….everything is fine…nothing too worry about……Fools….how much of that is being repeated in todays Churchs…..

    • iu cant handle the truth

      I see you have done your Homework.God Bless You.Took me a long time to understand any form of Rapture teaching was straight from Hell.My argument now if i have to defend my stance against this false teaching is Simply…….if the blood of Martyrs still stain the earth…..mainly in the middle East……how come Gods Protection was not on them……..end of argument….

      • max jones

        ….iu can’t…God’s elect will see the coming of our Lord…..Nearly everyone else dies……I would think they witness it from the other side.
        ….Matt 24:22…
        …..And except those days be shortened, there should no flesh be saved, but for the elect’s sake those days will be shortened.
        ….Mark13:20…
        ….And except that the Lord hath shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect’s sake, whom He has chosen, He hath shortened the days. :cool:

    • truthlovingsoul

      jesus was not complacent, nor should we be. he flipped the tables, spoke the truth when it was unpopular, risked it all to stand for what was right.
      people are ready to stand, they need an impetus.

    • W. Willow

      Thank you, Dr. Rice. I used to believe it but don’t anymore. Like the emperor’s new clothes, it simply is not there. Had to leave one church where there was a standing ovation every time the (pre-Trib) Rapture was mentioned. One looks like a heretic just sitting down with hands in lap. People doubt your salvation even. That’s what led me to investigate more thoroughly. Why would the Lord have so little (as in nothing) to say about it if it was important to believe as part of my salvation? Not too different from buying indulgences to escape Purgatory.

      There are verses that talk about being changed and caught up together but there is Nothing to indicate that this event precedes the Tribulation. Many argue that there are allusions everywhere. People have been known to make scripture say what they want it to say. It’s better to let God speak for Himself than put words in His mouth. There are enough warnings about that you’d think people would be more careful how they represent God’s word.

    • Daughter of the Church

      Thank you Dr. Rice for unmasking the fable of the Rapture.
      The taught way to go to heaven, through the Gospel, is to follow the Way of the Cross for the Glory of God.

      Being a blood martyr is the unpleasant way, but there is an other way, which is to follow the Way of the Cross as the Blessed Virgin Mary, and St. John the Evangelist did. Both did not shed blood. They both went to heaven by simply contemplating Our Lord Jesus Christ dying on the Cross. The martyr of both Mary and John were spiritual and resulted in a life of poverty and misery. The Roman Catholic Church teaches: a “White Martyr”, which translate into the cult cult of Mary, or all saints (as intercessors).

      The rejection of the “White Martyr” by the Protestant sects, since the Protestants claim that either Mary is irrelevant or dead, has led to the fabrication of the fable of the Rapture, as an alternative to the Blood Martyr of Jesus Christ.

      If I may remind the teaching of the authentic Roman Catholic Church (not the sect presently occupied by a series of 6 usurper antipopes since October 26,1958). Soon, according to minor prophecies (Our Lady of La Salette, Fatima, etc) a cataclysm named the “Three Days of Darkness” will kill 2/3 of the world population. Mary (the Blessed Virgin Mary, Mother of God the Son) will then be venerated(not adored) by the survivors.

    • Crazy times

      God HAS made this simple as HE could.. He gave us TWO examples of WHEN HE WILL COME….2 is a witness for a conviction.

      Matthew 24:37-41

      until the day that Noe entered into the ark, 39And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

      and Luke 17:27-28

      27they were eating, they were drinking, they were marrying, they were being given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, and the flood came and destroyed them all. 28″It was the same as happened in the days of Lot: they were eating, they were drinking, they were buying, they were selling, they were planting, they were building; 29but on the day that Lot went out from Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven and destroyed them all.…

      “As in the days of Noah SO SHALL THE COMING OF THE LORD BE *** the (people) knew NOT”***as above

      The people knew NOT when the coming of the Lord is clearly PT Removal…. in the Bile…. right at the beginning.

      Just as GOD closed the DOOR on Noah and His chosen, then LIFTED THEM UP ABOVE THE MOUNTAINS..*** IN THE AIR** safe from His Wrath below….Amen

      So shall He do it again,”Praise the LORD” HE does NOT CHANGE. The DOOR is OPEN at the beginning Of Revelation BEFORE the Great Tribulation and does NOT OPEN EVER AGAIN…. during the remainder of Revelation.

      Rev 4:1 a door standing open in heaven sound of a trumpet Immediately I was in the Spirit

      JESUS I am the DOOR………Parable of the 10 Virgins…………….God CLOSES the DOOR… 50% missed out

      PTR is in the Bible from Genesis to Revelation Looog before ANY of these other people you mentioned !!??

      “Nowhere in Scripture teach that God protects his people from suffering”…What!!!

      Isaiah 26:20

      Come, my people, enter into your rooms And close your doors behind you; Hide for a little while Until indignation runs its course. 21For behold, the LORD is about to come out from His place To punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity; And the earth will reveal her bloodshed

      huh!!Noah, Lot, the Israelite s from the Angel of Death- Blood of the TAV ; Shadrach, Meshach And Abendigo… etc etc etc…a lot of suffering would have been experienced here !! if it wasn’t for Gods mercy.
      NOTE
      1/God did nothing until Noah entered through the DOOR…
      2/God did nothing until Lot went through the DOOR
      God does not change
      3/God Has show through His Ordinances and PRECEPTS that He will remove His chosen BRIDE BEFORE the GREAT TRIBULATION known as Jacobs Trouble as PROMISED.

      Its all Scriptural and its what….. I want to believe ..”as is written” and shown to me by His Word

      Your long story means nothing compered to scripture.

      If you wish to take away from scripture that’s up to you, it will be taken away from you, as you wish, what you sow is what you reap.

      Luke 21:28 Now when these things BEGIN to happen, look up and lift up your heads, because your redemption draws near.”

      Do not be led astray by those who twist 1 Timothy 4:1

      Maranatha

      Human being I emailed you a few days ago

      • Apollo is the A/C

        Put aside fear and put on the FULL AMOUR OF GOD! The Tribulation is a time of judgment.
        Here is a little help: 1 PETER 4:17/PROV 10:30/ ZECH 13:9/ ALL OF MATTHEW CHAPTER 13/ JOHN 6:39,40,44,54

        Boy are you in for a big surprise PHIL 1:29

        • MikeSavage

          Apollo;
          The tribulation isn’t a time of judgement, the final battle IS.

      • Crazy times

        “The Tribulation is a time of judgment.” …….sure is…but as for the called out.. BRIDE

        Romans 8:1

        There is therefore NOW no Judgement/condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus

        Because Christ has already been judged for us (Romans 5:8–9

        therefore, we have now been justified by his blood, much more shall we be saved by him from the wrath of God.

        John 5:24
        24″Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and DOES NOT COME INTO JUDGEMENT, but has passed out of death into life. 25″Truly, truly, I say to you, an hour is coming and now is, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who hear will live

        1 Peter 4:17 Judgement starts in the house of God FIRST…… First 4 chapters of Revelation BEFORE… Jacobs Trouble and the Revealing of the Anti-christ @ Rev 6:1

        • MikeSavage

          WOW. You are WAY off base. No understanding of God’s word AT ALL!

        • Crazy times

          MS… I’m NOT a JW like U… THANK GOD!!!…as I believe Y’shua IS the CREATOR …HalleluYAH

          You can’t even get that right !!..that leaves U with NO base to start off with…. AT ALL.

          (MS Wrote “WOW. You are WAY off base. No understanding of God’s word AT ALL!”)

          GOD purchased the TRUE Church with HIS OWN BLOOD.Acts 20:28

          Psalms 46:10 Stand still and know that I AM GOD….now that’s UNDERSTANDING.

          Adieu

      • Popo

        You wrote: (God HAS made this simple as HE could)

        He sure did, and I’m sorry you missed it and smeared it over with traditions of men.

        2 Thessalonians 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

        • Crazy times

          Popo “Traditions of men” ? All i gave was scripture and the examples, Precepts (rule of action) God gave us of how He rescues His people: You think the strong delusion is the lie of PTR.

          I believe that LIE you mentioned is going to be A MUCH BIGGER LIE than just holding a particular rapture expectation !, also holding ANY rapture belief, is not a salvation issue if one passes before His return, but the LIE you mentioned is one that sends people to Hell, a held rapture position clearly does NOT do that, so sorry wrong exegesis.

          “And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth”,

      • am123

        Crazy times said:

        “God HAS made this simple as HE could.”

        Sure did. It doesn’t get any simpler than this (EMPHASIS mine):

        “Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together FIRST the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.”

        —Matthew 13:30

        The tares are gathered FIRST and then the saints (wheat) are gathered.

        No matter how you cut it, a PRE-TRIB RAPTURE CONTRADICTS THAT.

        • Crazy times

          god i am 123 ..

          Sees a contradiction really, you’re a living contradiction,I’ve put it to you numerous times that you have deliberate myopia, an outright refusal to accept clear stated text when its presented to you, I’ll state this once (below) as most people only need it once, but I know your real Slooow on this topic.

          No-one has spent more time with you on this subject than I, I’m sure you’ll reject it as you ALWAYS do, by changing the discussion, as you are attempting to do now dismissing all that’s gone before, thinking NOW you have the answer !!…which as usual you do NOT…lol

          I repeat God Has gave Ordinances and Precepts about HIS return and made it Simple as shown above, its people who twist everything to fit their homemade stories, a bit like your stories of eschatology below.

          Which do you want… god i am 123 ??

          Pauls…… DEAD IN CHRIST RISE FIRST …get it….. a Resurrection

          or Matthews gathering

          your GATHERING by REAPERS … IS NOT A RESURRECTION….Comprehend i

          So no matter how you cut it, god iam 123… you are unlearned as expected and do not use correct exegesis; Here again its clearly shown for all to see, for at least the 4th time in 12 months.

          I know 99% of the posters here hate PTR no worries your entitled to your positions, take away what you like, but what you bind here binds in heaven what is sown here is what you reap.

          This is what I chose to believe…PTR… as it is written….is upheld…Imho

        • am123

          The tares are gathered FIRST before the resurrection of the saints, which is the EXACT OPPOSITE of what you claim.

          Some constructive criticism for you: you need to either learn to write more clearly and concisely or stop writing posts that don’t make any sense.

      • max jones

        …crazy times…the biggest danger of putting pre-trib rapture on your mind, is the submission to the arrogance, that YOU know what the Lord “meant to say”, but didn’t. Satan does that too.
        …You must be a ‘Charismatic” style believer…..purposely, looking for “implications” and other ways to bend the scriptures to fit some peculiar theology. Write a book….you could make a lot of money….lots of people are looking fora way out, of having to get proven.
        ….stand up and take your lumps you coward……..and wait..and wait…and wait….and wait….and……. :cool:

        • Crazy times

          What a low life you really are, NO Scripture, just abuse, enuff said to you, you idiot.

        • max jones

          …crazy….And you lead with a dossier of scripture that proves nothing….but to you. Make those scriptures fit your fears……God’s elect are being prepared to face the antichrist, and you want to fly away….good going there.
          ….Wait for your little trip into the clouds…there’s work to be done that you apparently refuse, to take your part of.
          …Maybe your job here is done. OK see ya. :cool:

        • am123

          Excellent sarcasm max. Crazy apparently doesn’t want to be part of the saints in the end times Daniel spoke about who will inherit the eternal kingdom of God. So be it!

        • Crazy times

          god i am 123

          “EXACT OPPOSITE of what you claim ” (You are truly devoid of any discernment of scripture)

          1 Thessalonians 4:16 says: PAUL SAID …”The dead in Christ RISE FIRST” …not me if you can’t understand that don’t bother with the rest of Thessalonians 1 or 2 as your not listening to what “HE” STATED HERE…The dead in Christ rise FIRST.

          “Some constructive criticism for you: Get yourself a dictionary and look up the word Resurrection and Look up the word Gathered

          If English is not your main language, look it up in Spanish or whatever.

        • max jones

          …crazy…I always look for the ridiculous to ridicule. :cool:

        • am123

          “1 Thessalonians 4:16 says: PAUL SAID …”The dead in Christ RISE FIRST””

          Surely you’re not using that to make your point that the wheat is resurrected before the tares are gathered in Matthew 13:30, are you?

          Seriously? That’s crazy Crazy! :lol:

          Paul was saying the dead in Christ shall rise FIRST in relation to what? In relation to the believers who are ALIVE ON EARTH at the time (in verse 17). In other words, the dead in Christ shall rise FIRST before the believers on earth are translated from death to life!

          15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

          16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

          17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

          —1 THESSALONIANS 4-15-17

      • HB

        CT, I received no emails and no response to the address I have for you. I only joined up here temporarily to contact you. You can try contact.fether.net for now.

        • Crazy times

          Mad Max why so aggressive ? about PTR views so much anger if you don’t like the simple Precepts GOD gave us about the COMING OF THE LORD BE the TWO EXAMPLES about ( Noah and Lot) then don’t read them as you say I gave a dossier of scripture, all you give is anger and abuse!! NO Scripture

          GO out and meet your Antichrist thats fine by me from your mouth “God’s elect are being prepared to face the antichris”

          meanwhile the BRIDE is being called to meet Christ in the AIR…. as it is written

          1 Thessalonians 4:17
          Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.

          Scoff about the Word of God as much as you like they did this to NOAH.

        • Mayhem

          Hi, Human Being, welcome back :razz:

        • Crazy times

          ….Mad Max The Problem with that is, Scriptures given to us by God are not to be ridiculed :shock: , refute if you will with scripture, even if its found wanting like the nonsense.. god i am 321 posts all the time.

          Gal 6:7
          Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows, that he will also reap.

          His return is as in the days of Noah and Lot…… to meet the Lord in the Air, as it is written.

          What script are u using ? ones given to you by…. god i am 321 the Spanish dude in the Pic now that’s ridiculous

        • am123

          Hi, Human Being, welcome back :razz:

          What crazy timing eh Mayhem?

          In the thread from the other day, I jokingly said HB would be back within a month after another one of her “good bye cruel BIN world I’m done posting here” posts (again), and lo and behold here we are :wink: :lol:

        • I am Mann god

          HEY!
          LOOK!
          A Bizarre ‘gathering” of the WARING christ0-CREEPS of BIN!
          Birds of a feather, LUNATICS, flock together, don’t they???
          And you FANS of the white-skinned mangod, WHO NEVER existed at all, are proof positive of that old saying!!!!

          Hey, why don’t you all plan to meet in person, and go totally “Medieval” on one another, as you KILL, RAPE, and Plunder (HOARDING) OVER THE DIFFERENT “insane delusions” of “your” white-skinned mangod, as written in the ALL MALE wrote BOOK of BABBLE, in all of its many different “versions”!!!!!!
          HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
          :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
          You warring idiots have been exhibiting this mass psychosis “behavior’ for, oh, 1,600 years or so!
          You ARE ALL dangerous to others.
          The only difference is the specific “Degree’ of Danger you offer.
          To STRIKE DOWN with force and violence ANY that do not agree with your MASS INSANITY, called christ0-SCUM-DUMB!!!!!
          You are the Scum that make this earth HELL!
          FOR, “christians” are the most self-absorbed, dim witted, mentally retarded, AND CREEPIEST VIOLENT “people’ on this planet!

        • Crazy times

          She wasn’t contacting you, god i am 321, I asked her to contact ME.

          And a Thank you, to you HB for posting, knowing you would get flack for it, obviously its NOT a return as I asked you to contact ME awhile ago and due to complications you had no choice, I don’t see this as a return, but nothing more than being a genuine sincere christian,unlike many others i could mention.

          Also god i am 321

          You obviously didn’t look up the differences between a Resurrection and a Gathering did you ? No I didn’t think you would, no Spanish dictionary version available ?

          Another blatant clue is, one is done by reapers (NOT GOOD) the other is by Yeshua Himself. Amen.. John 14:3

          And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto Myself;

          “I RECEIVE YOU (TO) MYSELF” He say’s…. (DOESN’T SEND THE REAPERS FOR HIS BRIDE)

          Definition of unto in English:
          preposition
          1 Archaic term for…… to…..

          Not in your Spanish version i guess, boy you need help, there are courses for this you know.

        • Mayhem

          Hi, Sheepy, i noticed you were away for several days in a row. Did you get a week ban? You can tell us, you’re among friends who love you. Just like the Almighty God loves you; same love, Bro, one love.

      • Dr. Rice

        God let Noah spend 120 years of tribulation, persecution and defamation as he built a boat, before he shut the door. He did not shut the door before the tribulation but just moments before He destroyed the wicked. God did not rescue Lot from tribulation. Lot was tormented in Sodom. Lot watched his virgin daughters gang raped and murdered in Sodom. God did not rescue Lot from tribulation. God rescued Lot just minutes before fire and brimstone fell from Heaven and destroyed the wicked. It will be, as you indicate, just like it it was in the days of Noah and the days of Lot. We too will pass through the tribulation. We will be called up and raptured, moments before Jesus comes out of Heaven and burns up the wicked at Armageddon. You hit the nail on the head… Exactly right! God does not change. He rescued Noah, minutes before the rain started to fall. He rescued Lot, minutes before the fire fell and He will, likewise, rescue us, seconds before he destroys the wicked… Noah, rescued after 120 years of tribulation suffered as he built the boat… Lot after he watched his daughters gang raped and killed and us… after seven years of tribulation!

        • max jones

          …..There will be rather small group of survivors here on earth….At Jesus’s return. The Lord calls these folk “His elect”, Most people will be killed, in the coming ‘conflagration’.
          ….Matt 24:22….And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect’s sake those days shall be shortened.
          ….This shows God’s mercy……There are worse things than simple death.
          ….the ‘elect’ are ‘on the job’….No reason for anyone else to suffer needlessly defending a flesh body, that will never be used again, ever. :cool:

        • Crazy times

          DR Price ….Wow, the Virgin Daughters of Noah we’re GANG RAPED and KILLED in Sodom ….serious EISEGESIS for a man of letters ??

          “Lot WATCHED his virgin daughters gang raped and murdered in Sodom.” WHERE do you guys get this from !!??? Seriously…..I know WHY ! you wrote THAT so it rhymes with your Post Tribb expectation WHILE decrying PTR as a deception…huh

          Genesis 19 Sodom and Gomorrah Destroyed

          15 With the coming of dawn, the angels urged Lot, saying, “Hurry! Take your wife and your two daughters who are here, or you will be swept away when the city is punished.”

          16 When he hesitated, the men grasped his hand and the hands of his wife and of his two daughters and LED THEM SAFELY OUT of the city, for the Lord was MERCIFUL TO THEM.

          22 But flee there quickly, because I cannot do anything until you reach it.” meaning

          (Lot wanted to go to Zoar So it was granted that he could leave and go to Zoar,then after the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah)

          30 Lot and his two daughters left Zoar and settled in the mountains, for he was afraid to stay in Zoar

          NO RAPING or MURDERS OF LOTS FAMILY ?? Just the NORMAL trial and tribulations we all deal with everyday.

          Now the earth was corrupt in God’s sight and was full of violence

          So it was then as it is NOW ….many believed the tribulation is/ has occurred since Y’eshua departed …..(Hence Pauls letter to the Thessalonians), Christians in the Lions Den, hundreds of thousands of Martyrs have been slain since Iraq Nigeria,Syria Egypt,etc….. the Lord indicated YOU COME as you are called. John 16:33

          UNTIL the Rapture of the BRIDE…

          Then there’s a GREAT Hecatomb a GREAT TRIBULATION aka JACOBS TROUBLE (a time God has set) to FOCUS on Israel, the ones who have pierced me, aka JACOBS trouble .

          The FULL 69 weeks of Daniel were about Israel so its common sense to think the remaining Full 1 week (7 years) is about ISRAEL ONLY and NOT the BRIDE as she is GONE from Jacobs trouble (as Promised), as upheld by Scripture in Gods Ordinances and Precepts He gave us as mentioned… Noah and Lot and his word . “Until The fullness of the gentiles has come in”.

          You wrote:quote/unquote
          “He will, likewise, rescue us” / “AFTER seven years of tribulation!”

          In the world ye shall have trials and tribulations: This is/has been true and will continue .UNTIL the Rapture of the BRIDE…at the BEGINNING as we are NOT destined for…. WRATH of God.

          1 Thessalonians 5:9-10……For God has not destined us for wrath..

          Genesis 18:25 Far be it from You to do such a thing, to slay the righteous with the wicked, so that the righteous and the wicked are treated alike. Far be it from You! Shall not the Judge of all the earth deal justly?”

          you also wrote
          “We will be called up and raptured, moments before Jesus COMES OUT of Heaven to destroy”/”after seven years of tribulation!”…

          If that’s so there’s NO time for the marriage of the Lamb, if your saying we return immediately ?

          I acknowledge YOUR entitled to your opinion,

          I believe in PTR… “as it is written” .I request only people read their own Bible for themselves to see, if what people write is there, or is it made up to fit their OWN expectation.

          Maranatha

        • Crazy times

          # Dr Rice not Price

        • Crazy times

          you wrote”You hit the nail on the head… Exactly right! God does not change. He rescued Noah, minutes before the rain started to fall. He rescued Lot, minutes before the fire fell and He will, likewise, rescue us, seconds before he destroys the wicked”….good ;)

          This time the DOOR is Y’shua ….I am the DOOR…OPEN at the BEGINNING of Revelation, Find me another.

          Rev 4:1 a DOOR standing OPEN in heaven, sound of a trumpet Immediately I was in the Spirit…..this is BEFORE the…… Antichrist is revealed in Rev 6:2

          THIS DOOR is NOT OPENED AGAIN “throughout the remainder” of the Book of Revelation.

          JESUS I am the DOOR………Parable of the 10 Virgins…………….God CLOSES the DOOR… 50% missed it.

          This 50% goes through the Great Tribulation ie the Apostates….who become the Tribulation Saints…who are delivered up unto the Synagogs aka… Jacobs Trouble

          The Bride (50% chosen from the churches) ( a Special called out people) HAS GONE.

          Maranatha

    • Room With a View

      Now that this one is sorted, start investigating the false gospel preached by that liar Paul.

    • Heart Of Winter

      It’s just as easy to stop believing in the entire religion.

    • Junmeister

      Thanks for this beautiful explanation this is how I understand it to the worg.

    • William Frederick, M. Div.

      You are correct there is no pre trib rapture! I pray Christians will be awakened before it is too late. Dr. Rice please email me at email at thecomingepiphany dot com

      • BEEF SUPREME

        Isn’t it nice when an author actually allows comments to be posted beneath his articles?

        You’re a hypocrite for taking advantage of the same opportunity you refuse to permit others.

        You’re also a serial failure when it comes to predicting ANYTHING.

        • Piggy Christian

          BEEF JERKY, you are a know nothing christ-OID IDIOT WHO JUST “Loves’ the white-skinned mangod FABLE!
          You see, the beey boy thinks that he ‘speaks for the white-skinned mangod”!
          HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
          YOU INSANE LUNATIC!!!!!!
          :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

          Yes, follow the beefy boy, right into the pit of ‘Self Delusion”!!!!!!!
          You are NOT special, jed.
          In fact, you are down right STUPID!!!!!

        • Mayhem

          Say’s, Piggy, who i’ve noticed has been banned a few times, very clever sunshine.

        • I am Mann god

          HEY, LOOK! My May girl Hem, the fem blend of BEEF JERKY has “magically” appeared!!!

          Beefy boy’s OTHER identity is here to “Defend the Fable” and the worthless, rotted jed, the BEEF JERKY!!!!!!

          May girl Hem, I am SO GLAD that I really HAVE YOU “SPINNING LIKE A TOP”!!!!
          HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
          You, you spiritual RETARD for the white-skinned mangod FABLE, actually notice when I am NOT posting :?: :?: :?: :?: :?:
          HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA BEEFY BOY!
          I REALLY AM IN YOUR “MIND” NOW, AREN’T I?? Yea, I have made YOU my “life’s work”!!!!!!!!!
          And, you are “Breaking down” in front of my very eyes!
          You are just NOWHERE as tough, or as smart, as you “thought”, eh, jed?????
          Like I have written to you numerous times, WHEN I GET DONE WITH YOU, beef Boy, YOU ARE GOING TO WISH THAT YOU HAD JUST BEEN DEALING WITH A DEMON! Because this HERETIC has JUST NAILED YOU, AGAIN, YOU COWARDLY WHITE-SKINNED mangod “worshiper’!!!!!
          And, I am NOT going to let5 you forget about your BIGGEST mistake on BIN!
          Why, yes, that LUNATIC grandiose male ego of yours acted rashly, and , that day, you were Coroneted by me, as “The Pope of Pompous Galore”, BEEF JERKY!!!!

          Are you still going to “Punish” me, you blow hard (for christ, of course)???
          Remember, you gave me “your word” that YOU are going to GET ME, YOU FREEK IN LUNATIC!!!!!!
          An obvious TOS violation, and yet, here you are, still on BIN!
          Do you “practice” blowing chris to warm up for ‘your” white-skinned mangod, when he arrives to “Save” you, IDIOT :?: :?: :?: :?: :?:
          And, that act on chris does keep you hanging around BIN, right jed???
          You know beefy boy, ARSE HOLE (for christ, of course, I know), I think YOU, jed BOZO the christian clown character on BIN, are the one who had better be worried about “Punishment” !!!!!

        • Mayhem

          Whatever are you rambling about, Piggy? I’ve never rated you high enough to be my life’s work and you lie through your teeth to say that i’m BEEF SUPREME. You resort to lying in order to shore up your misguided accusations and that’s just pitiful, mate.

          But please do keep up your incoherent ravings, it works wonders in showing that the haters can’t handle the jandal. Love you angry injun.

    • Deputy Dawg

      There is a small degree of truth in what you say in regard to the many being misled, believing in things like the rapture. Let me just say this; the blood of the Harlot runs through the veins of most so called Christian religions. The Catholic religion was an imposter of God’s Church. When the apostles were given the power of the laying of hands, or the impregnation of God’s Spirit after baptism Simon Magus a former magician tried to purchase this power from Peter. When his efforts were unsuccessful he started his own church adorning himself in purple and gold. This is important because this religion has polluted all but one church.

      The best example I can give that demonstrates man’s confusion is that Jesus offered one bit of proof to the Pharisees that he was in fact the messiah. That he would remain in the earth three days as did Jonah in the belly of the wale. If we go to Genesis God defines a day as being from eve to eve. If Christ in fact died on good Friday and rose Sunday morning this would not be three days thereby rendering the only proof Jesus offered invalid. This is no mistake, the devil did this purposely.

      This imposter religion brought elements of sun worship through Constantine expanding its doctrine to include such things as Christmas which is actually a religious high day in sun worship and defies Christs instruction not to celebrate His birthday but to celebrate His death as that is the beginning of Passover, He being the continuous sacrifice, Easter which denies the physical proof that Christ was who he claimed to be, and Sunday worship that literally defies the forth commandment. God’s seven Holy Days that depict His plan for mankind being totally ignored.

      The doctrine of this imposter church is why people believe that when they die they either go to heaven or hell when scripture tells us something totally different. God tells us that “from the earth we came and to the earth we shall return.” We are told that no man ascends to the Heavens that has not descended from the Heavens, the Son of Man Jesus Christ. We are told of the coming Kingdom of God to earth over and over. It is described in detail describing what it looks like and where it is to be located. If God’s Kingdom is coming here why in the world would anyone want to go to Heaven? It doesn’t make sense. It defies reason! We are told about resurrection and that Jesus was the first of many sons to come, He being the first fruit of Elohim. Think about the second verse in the Lords Prayer, it provides irrefutable evidence; ” thy Kingdom come, thy will be done on “earth” as it is in Heaven.”

      God is perfect, precise and never lies or deceives. The deception and lies are signs of Satan’s church not God’s. All religions but one bear the fruit of fraudulence or deception.

      The thing I really want to emphasize here is that Jesus told us that we should not throw our pearls before swine. As we are so near to Christ’s return I feel okay sharing this; we cannot just walk into God’s presence. God does the calling. Scripture tells us in no uncertain terms that He gives those He calls to Christ. The point I’m trying to make is that the mysteries of God or scripture are concealed from you until He calls, understanding is not possible, you may as well be reading a comic book. Jesus spoke in parables for exactly this reason. Only those sharing God’s Spirit could understand God’s protected Word.

      I could go on and on as there are many aspects of the Harlot that are deeply engrained in modern religion, but what you need to know is there is one God, One Christ our eternal advocate in the order of Melchizedek or God as revealed to Abram. It is through Christ, God’s Son the Passover sacrifice that we have access to God who can’t dwell in sin and the possibility of being forgiven.

      What God has given His beloved creation is a trial period of six thousand years. We were to learn that we can’t live without Him. The seventh thousand year is His where His plan begins to come into fruition. It is critical now that you remain in a constant state of repentance. Keep the pipeline open so to speak. If you pass during the time of tribulation we have now entered into you will be resurrected to life again at some point. The first resurrection has been set aside for the first fruits who will help govern God’s Kingdom. Later everyone else who ever lived will be raised.

      Those who live will walk into the millennial period will be taught and governed by God’s chosen until they live a full life. When they die along with all others who missed the first string must wait one thousand years before their resurrections until God’s governing Kingdom is fully established. They will then be given a period of time to decide if they truly want what they see. If they choose anyway but God’s then the second death takes place.

      This is where the everlasting punishment of death without resurrection comes to play. Try to always remember that God is perfect love. He doesn’t torture His children, it’s a horrible lie! He is all merciful. The second death verses burning in hell is quite telling. Being consumed by eternal fire in Sheol, Gehenna, hell or Hades merely means that the punishment of one’s demise is everlasting, or permanent. This does not mean that God’s punishment for sinners will cruelly last for all eternity. Even imperfect man wouldn’t do that to their kids.

      If you recall scripture those resurrected in the first round are composed of spirit and the second death has no power over them. Others are resurrected into a human body that must again die if they reject God’s ways. If they accept they too will receive spirit bodies.

      God’s true Church is the remnant of the former Worldwide Church of God. It emerged after the apostasy guided by our high priest Jesus Christ. His Church the Church of God PKG or preparing for the Kingdom of God is the only place God is working today. Pray that God enlightens you. First repent then pray through our advocate to the Father and He will answer when the time is right.

      I pray you have an ear to listen! Offered with lots of love,

      Just-A-Word

    • Deputy Dawg

      There is a small degree of truth in what you say in regard to many being misled, believing in things like the rapture. Let me just say this; the blood of the Harlot runs through the veins of most so called Christian religions. The Catholic religion was an imposter of God’s Church. When the apostles were given the power of the laying of hands, or the impregnation of God’s Spirit after baptism Simon Magus a former magician tried to purchase this power from Peter. When his efforts were unsuccessful he started his own church adorning himself in purple and gold. This is important because this religion has polluted all but one church.

      The best example I can give that demonstrates man’s confusion is that Jesus offered one bit of proof to the Pharisees that he was in fact the messiah. That he would remain in the earth three days as did Jonah in the belly of the wale. If we go to Genesis God defines a day as being from eve to eve. If Christ in fact died on good Friday and rose Sunday morning this would not be three days thereby rendering the only proof Jesus offered invalid. This is no mistake, the devil did this purposely.

      After Christianity was made illegal by the Romans and stayed that way for over two hundred and sixty years this imposter religion brought elements of sun worship through Constantine expanding its doctrine to include such things as Christmas which is actually a religious high day in sun worship that purposely defies Christs instruction not to celebrate His birthday but to celebrate His death as that is the beginning of Passover, He being the continuous sacrifice making salvation possible, Easter which denies the physical proof that Christ was who he claimed to be, and Sunday worship that literally defies God’s forth commandment of seventh day sabbath. God’s seven Holy Days that depict His plan for mankind is being totally ignored by all but a few.

      The doctrine of this imposter church is how people got the absurd notion that when they die they either go to heaven or hell when scripture tells us something totally different. God tells us that “from the earth we came and to the earth we shall return.” We are told that no man ascends to the Heavens that has not descended from the Heavens, the Son of Man Jesus Christ. We are told of the coming Kingdom of God to earth over and over. It is described in detail describing what it looks like and where it is to be located. If God’s Kingdom is coming here why in the world would anyone want to go to Heaven? It doesn’t make sense. It defies reason! We are told about resurrection and that Jesus was the first of many sons to come, He being the first fruit of Elohim God’s family. Think about the second verse in the Lords Prayer, it provides irrefutable evidence; ” thy Kingdom come, thy will be done on “earth” as it is in Heaven.”

      God is perfect, precise and never lies or deceives. The deception and lies are signs of Satan’s church not God’s. All religions but one bear the fruit of fraudulence or deception.

      The thing I really want to emphasize here is that Jesus told us that we should not throw our pearls before swine. As we are so near to Christ’s return I feel okay sharing this; we cannot just walk into God’s presence. God does the calling. Scripture tells us in no uncertain terms that He gives those He calls to Christ. The point I’m trying to make is that the mysteries of God or scripture are concealed from you until He calls, understanding is not possible, you may as well be reading a comic book. Jesus spoke in parables for exactly this reason. Only those sharing God’s Spirit could understand God’s protected Word.

      I could go on and on as there are many aspects of the Harlot that are deeply engrained in modern religion, but what you need to know is there is one God, One Christ our eternal advocate in the order of Melchizedek or God as revealed to Abram. It is through Christ, God’s Son the Passover sacrifice that we have access to God who can’t dwell in sin and the possibility of being forgiven.

      What God has given His beloved creation is a trial period of six thousand years. We were to learn that we can’t live without Him. The seventh thousand year is His where His plan begins to come into fruition. It is critical now that you remain in a constant state of repentance. Keep the pipeline open so to speak. If you pass during the time of tribulation we have now entered into you will be resurrected to life again at some point. The first resurrection has been set aside for the first fruits who will help govern God’s Kingdom. Later everyone else who ever lived will be raised.

      Those who live will walk into the millennial period will be taught and governed by God’s chosen until they live a full life. When they die along with all others who missed the first string must wait one thousand years before their resurrections until God’s governing Kingdom is fully established. They will then be given a period of time to decide if they truly want what they see. If they choose anyway but God’s then the second death takes place.

      This is where the everlasting punishment of death without resurrection comes to play. Try to always remember that God is perfect love. He doesn’t torture His children, it’s a horrible lie! He is all merciful. The second death verses burning in hell is quite telling. Being consumed by eternal fire in Sheol, Gehenna, hell or Hades merely means that the punishment of one’s demise is everlasting, or permanent. This does not mean that God’s punishment for sinners will cruelly last for all eternity. Even imperfect man wouldn’t do that to their kids.

      If you recall scripture those resurrected in the first round are composed of spirit and the second death has no power over them. Others are resurrected into a human body that must again die if they reject God’s ways. If they accept they too will receive spirit bodies.

      God’s true Church is the remnant of the former Worldwide Church of God. It emerged after the apostasy guided by our high priest Jesus Christ. His Church the Church of God PKG or preparing for the Kingdom of God is the only place God is working today. Pray that God enlightens you. First repent then pray through our advocate to the Father and He will answer when the time is right.

      I pray you have an ear to listen! Offered with lots of love,

      Just-A-Word

      • max jones

        …Justaword…..Those beings that go into ‘sheol’, are those that REFUSE to “toe the line”….Its hard to believe that anyone will reject the truth when it comes from the Lord himself…..but, that looks like what’s gonna happen. There is no “eternal” punishment for the stiffnecked, there is instead, an ‘erasing’…a ‘blotting out’, that is so complete, that no one will even remember the lost souls. Like they never existed.
        …. God’s children are being prepared for a ‘spiritual’ eternity. These fragile, flesh bodies that we live in, on this planet now, will not be extant in the next age..
        …..I think you have some erroneous ideas about what constitutes Christ’s church….His body. :cool:

    • Pix

      It’s not rocket science. Caught up in the air with = caught up with an idea. That’s why two people who are standing in the field, one will be taken, the other not. der. People will be involved with, caught up with an idea. In spirituality the sky is always, without exception an allegory for the mind, ideas.

      :wink:

    • am123

      Indeed, the pre-trib rapture is a doctrine of demons and is in Satan’s interest for Christians to believe in it. See:

      “RAPTURE ALERT: Millions of Christians have been deceived!”
      /alternative/2013/02/rapture-alert-millions-of-christians-have-been-deceived-2561260.html

      “The Pre-tribulation Rapture Trap”
      /spirit/2013/02/the-pre-tribulation-rapture-trap-2475160.html

      “Hows your Eschatology? Good? It Had Better Be!”
      /spirit/2013/04/hows-your-eschatology-good-it-had-better-be-2476720.html

    • Anonymous

      You my friend are spreading the deception. The rapture being pre-trib is not the second coming as Jesus does not set foot on the earth. His Bride the Church will meet Him in the clouds. The second coming of Christ is after the 7 yr Tribulation when He comes with His Saints to fight the anti-christ and his followers.
      Think about it for a moment. Why would Jesus put His Bride through the turmoil of the Tribulation. No one would put their bride through such if they love a Jesus loves His Bride. Those like the foolish virgins who were not prepared with enough oil in their lamps will be left behind to face the Tribulation. Even believing Christian who fell to see the truth and are complacent, this being the Church of Laodicea.

      Revelation 3:14-22New International Version (NIV)
      To the Church in Laodicea

      14 “To the angel of the church in Laodicea write:

      These are the words of the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the ruler of God’s creation. 15 I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot. I wish you were either one or the other! 16 So, because you are lukewarm—neither hot nor cold—I am about to spit you out of my mouth. 17 You say, ‘I am rich; I have acquired wealth and do not need a thing.’ But you do not realize that you are wretched, pitiful, poor, blind and naked. 18 I counsel you to buy from me gold refined in the fire, so you can become rich; and white clothes to wear, so you can cover your shameful nakedness; and salve to put on your eyes, so you can see.

      19 Those whom I love I rebuke and discipline. So be earnest and repent. 20 Here I am! I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and eat with that person, and they with me.

      21 To the one who is victorious, I will give the right to sit with me on my throne, just as I was victorious and sat down with my Father on his throne. 22 Whoever has ears, let them hear what the Spirit says to the churches.”

      • W. Willow

        If all believers are considered the Bride of Christ, what about those who have suffered and died as Christians in the past — how is it fair that the generation which sees Christ’s return would escape any suffering when their brethren in the past have not?

        Circumspection is needed here when considering the parable of the Ten Virgins. Those who were wise kept the light supply going in the darkness. The others were too complacent to keep their a steady supply all the way up to midnight. You do know what darkness is.

        The real complacency is supplied by a doctrine which fosters an entitlement faith — easy believe-ism.

        • max jones

          ….W.Willow….Do you remember the parable about the dude who needed to hire some help to tend his vineyard? He got some guys, early in the morning for a penny, for the day’s work. He went out at noon and hired more workers for a penny, for the days work. He went and hired more workers at evening, for that same penny.
          …When the day’s work was done and all got his penny…one of those who toiled through the heat of the whole day, complained …said it wasn’t fair. The owner told him..”You got what you agreed to…have I cheated you?”
          ….Get it? we all have the exact same reward…no matter what we go through in this earthly life.
          ….These are “special” times and special people are here, on earth, now…God’s people…and Satan’s people.
          ….Both teams have their “A” squad, on the gridiron. Their payday is the same as yours. Although their tasks are greater. :cool:

    • Dragonslayer

      That hebrew bible was artificially contrived in Babylon for the benefit of those Babylonian Rabbis and swindlers more than two thousand years after the Sumerian civilization began. The bible begins with a plagiarism in Genesis from other ancient societies such as the Sumerian region of Mesopotamia and Egypt. The whole idea was to use that bible which they forced upon Mankind to place themselves in the position they are in today, which is to rule the world and live in luxury at the expense of the goyim (non-Jews). That’s what their currency is for. The bible is more of an esoteric plan for world domination than anything. It’s contract fraud. Those people lied about the Creator of the earth and they have created their own god in their own image. That hebrew bible is the biggest lie ever told. Archaeology has proven it.

      Everybody knows that a lawyer with a briefcase is capable of stealing more from a population than a standing army. That’s the way it was with the ancient Rabbis too. They have swindled the entire world and they have controlled kings and their kingdoms with that book for a very long time, backed by money and a mythological god which they stole from the Canaanites once they conquered them and then wrote their own words as of that god’s (forgery) which they stole and then passed off as the Creator of all the world [that's called fraud]. The Christ of the Gospels said the Jews were liars and devils.

      From their phony Adam and Eve/Ishah story, which they stole from other ancient civilizations and modified (in Babylon centuries later after this artificially contrived ‘Moses’ [from Sargon of Akkad about 1000 years prior to 'Moses']), they make the distinction between themselves (Adam’s seed :lol: ) and Cain’s seed. They do not believe Cain was Abel’s brother from the same parents. Then they further make the distinction (between us and them) in Genesis 3:1 in saying “And the nahash (enchanter) was more crafty than all the other human beasts/ low-lifes / goyim of the country” which their artificially contrived god had made. Then they make another distinction at Gen. 3:20 where they say Eve [Chavvah] was the mother of all the human beasts/ low-lifes / goyim. Hey, I learned it from them and the bible. Look it up.

      They think there was an Adam and Ishah [Gen. 3:23] AND ‘the man’ (the nachash) and his wife Chavvah, the mother of all beasts/non-Jews [Gen. 3:20]. And then Adam and his wife, Ishah, were clothed by their artificially contrived god [Gen. 3:21]. That’s what their chapter 3 of Genesis is about. The Genesis account, in summary, is the Babylonians’ reconstruction of previous creation accounts and stories and myths to their own best interest.

    • truthlovingsoul

      we are being told it is muslims and the deception is, it’s not them at all. trojan horse still working after all this time..

      • max jones

        …truth lovin’…..Its becoming apparent that the source of all suffering on this planet is the work of Satan.
        …..His main representatives, now, are actually a modern version of the same individuals that have always been treating the world’s population as chattel. Its black magic….with abominable and hard to believe traditions, such as child sacrifice and other sorts of murderous schemes.
        ….Take any headline that features any kind of institutionalized nastiness and trace it back to these people.
        Every freaking time.
        ….this is world wide and includes all governments and “religions”, as well as all institutes of higher learning.
        ….the media is no longer for the benefit of mankind, but for the enslavement of mankind. It is working. :cool:

    • Dr. Rice

      For those arguing against my view and especially the comments of lack of Scripture, this is my reply.

      Many Scriptural arguments against the Pre-trib Rapture may be found by scrolling down the posts on my Facebook page. (https://www.facebook.com/Nebuchadnezzar2016?ref=hl) I cannot reprint them all here. This is a short example. A great video on the subject, done by Carl Gallops of PPSimmons is here: (http://youtu.be/KpTx96sZ4ZI)

      I can make a good case against a pre-trib Rapture but I have not seen a single argument for it that did not depend on wishful thinking and blind hope. The systems and combinations of unrelated passages used to support the theory are built on eisegesIs… reading into the text what you already believe and are determined to believe.

      If I really, really wanted to deceive honest, well-meaning Christians, you could not possibly think up a story easier to sell than a pre-trib Rapture. Everybody wants a fire escape. Nobody wants to suffer and die for Jesus… not even me. Jesus, speaking of the day in which we live, said “Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name’s sake.” (Matthew 24:9) Nobody memorizes that verse in Sunday School and I have never heard a Name it Claim it preacher read it from the pulpit. Pre-trib nullifies that verse and tells us it doesn’t apply to us. Who wouldn’t want to believe that?

      One standard Pre-trib argument, found in hundreds of Pre-trib books, articles and web sites goes to 2 Thessalonians 2 and just simply skips the first five verses… not a word. Then:
      • Starting with verse 6, the authors informs us that (I guess through prayer and fasting) they have deduced that “he” is the Holy Spirit.
      • Based on that deduction, they further deduce that in order for “he”, whom the authors think must be the Holy Spirit, to get out of the way and let Antichrist lose, “he” must leave the earth. (They are pretty sure of that).
      • Since “he” is the Holy Spirit (he thinks) and since “he” must leave the earth in order to get out of the way, (they deduce) the Church has to leave with him.
      • So, according to this most common argument, we must deduce, based on the author’s guess that “he” is the Holy Spirit and his assumptions that the Holy Spirit cannot cease from restraining without leaving earth, that Jesus must Rapture the Church before Antichrist is revealed.

      (See: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2+Thessalonians+2&version=KJV)

      THIS IS THE DICTIONARY DEFINITION OF EISEGESIS.

      It is a good thing that these authors skip the first five verses of chapter two where Paul says, in plain Greek, that we cannot be gathered to the Lord until after Antichrist is revealed and that anyone who tries to tell you otherwise is trying to deceive you. Paul even commands you not to let them deceive you. If you simply ignore the first five verses, you never have to deal with the obvious contradiction. But you still want to believe in the pre-trib Rapture, so you pretend not to notice.

      Having said all that, I could be wrong. If they are right, I am ready to go!

      • Anonymous

        Soon you will know the truth for we are in the last minutes before the Groom comes for His Bride. My lamp is full of oil and when he comes the doors will be closed and many will be left behind to face the Tribulation. There will be welling and snashing of teeth and many turning to their pastors wanting to know why they weren’t prepared……The mark of the beast is being prepared as we live and breathe and many will be deceived in to receiving it. The Governments of the world are working feverishly to bring in the One World Order, the set up for the anti-christ.

        • BEEF SUPREME

          “My lamp is full of oil…”

          It is, is it? One wonders if you even know what that means.

          “There will be welling and snashing of teeth…”

          Wow. That sounds pretty bad.

        • max jones

          ….amnonibus…….the Zedoc will be delivered up to the antichrist….nobody gets out alive but these “elect”, and Its no “rapture” that saves ‘em. The elect will stand before Satan and allow the Holy Spirit to speak through them, as a witness. You’re the one in the field taken first….Guess by whom. Its not Jesus. :cool:

      • The Real Deal

        The bible is Astrotheology, if anyone should know that, IT’S YOU! You know, having a doctorate and all. Sheesh.

    • MikeSavage

      A rapture cannot be proven in scriptures either. it’s a misleading teaching from false religion. THERE IS NO RAPTURE. The scriptures tell us that the holy spirit annointed 144,000 firstfruits will be transformed into spirit beings and taken to heaven to rule with Jesus during the judgement day 1000 year period. IT IS NOT SOME RAPTURE OF THE CHURCH, as the scriptures do not speak of churches. Any translation containing the word CHURCH has mistranslated ecclesia to church, instead of congregation or people, which it actually means. Jesus created no church.

      • Bill Lyle

        And who are you to reduce God to a Willy Wonka character? 144,000 Golden Tickets. Right. :roll:

        • MikeSavage

          Reduce God to a Willy Wonka character? What kind of a question is that. No one can “reduce” God in any way. Golden tickets? No. There are no Golden Tickets. Revelation 7:4  And I heard the number of those who were sealed, 144,000, sealed out of every tribe of the SONS of Israel. (Spiritual Israel, not physical Israel).

          ISRAEL OF GOD:
          This expression, found only once in Scripture, refers to spiritual Israel rather than to racial descendants of Jacob, whose name was changed to Israel. (Ge 32:22-28) The Bible speaks of “Israel in a fleshly way” (1Co 10:18), as well as spiritual Israel made up of those for whom descent from Abraham is not a requirement. (Mt 3:9) The apostle Paul, when using the expression “the Israel of God,” shows that it has nothing to do with whether one is a circumcised descendant of Abraham or not.—Ga 6:15, 16.

    • HB

      CT, I haven’t received any emails from you, and haven’t had responses from emails I’ve sent you. Please try http://contact.fether.net/ . I had to sign up here again just to tell you this, and have had trouble getting it to take comments.

    • Dr. Rice

      Thank you for your comments. I cannot reply to all but I appreciate those who agree and those who (respectfully) disagree. My goal is to make you think, pray and search the Scriptures. If you will do that, I am thrilled! Obviously, from the comments, this is a hot button issue. I am really concerned for the one who did not even understand the issue and accused me of writing nonsense… “My people perish for lack of knowledge…

    • The Real Deal

      Don’t you Christians see what is going on? The bible is all Astrotheology, but was written in parable form, much in the way Jesus was said to speak. And look what the confusion has done…exactly as it was intended to. To keep you all disagreeing with each other…now why is that? Because as long as you’re arguing with each other over who knows the bible better, and who can’t quote scripture better…you’re not thinking about what they’re hiding from you in plain sight.

      • max jones

        …Real deal…You’re looking at signs…genius……Can you say you’ve transliterated your Astrotheology into “real life?”
        ….Put a bit of the reality in your brain. You might know what’s going on astrally, but can you decipher what you see into something useful or are you gonna keep it all…..”in the stars”? Where it touches nobody….
        …I think you are an effete, ineffectual pretender. :cool:

        • The Real Deal

          Thanks for your opinion, max. Have a nice day.

      • Dragonslayer

        Hi The Real Deal, like max jones, I’m not sure I perceive what you mean, but it is interesting to note that for those with a copy of the Companion Bible may turn to page 181 and note Bullinger’s notes regarding Numbers 2:32 and consider Appendix #12 for which a link is hereby provided for those of you who do not:
        http://www.therain.org/appendixes/

        Also, it is interesting that the Roman Catholic Church is more interested in Astronomy and profits than Jesus or the bible which explains the forged origins of the bible as so stated on this web page:

        http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/biblianazar/esp_biblianazar_40.htm

        If that helps Real Deal … or anyone else.

        • max jones

          …..I’ll use that companion bible reference….thanks :cool:

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