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The Whore of Babylon

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The book of Revelation is difficult to understand, and is much twisted and misused in our day, as many Christians today are not well studied in the secular histories of either Israel or Rome, and without that knowledge it can be very hard to grasp all of the clues.  But, there are internal evidences in both Old and New Testaments to know many of the mysteries of the book of Revelation.

Revelation was deliberately “coded” or signified so that the early Christians to whom it was written in the first century A.D. would understand, without bringing it to the notice of the ruling emperor in Rome.  It was circulated under his nose, so to speak.

We know that Revelation is a book of prophesy, so the reader must acknowledge that, as with all Old Testament prophesy, most of the language will be the figurative prophetic language that God uses when prophesying.   For instance, suns and moons and stars are ruling kings, princes, and governors.   Shaking the earth, and melting the mountains is an upset in, or overthrow of a ruling nation.   The earth and the heavens stand for a nation, and most often Israel. (See my previous post on “Heavens & Earth…) The “sea” best known to the geographical area of the readers was the great Mediterranean Sea, and therefore was referring to the gentile nations around it, of whom the most prominent was Rome.

God used a great deal of numeric symbolism in the book. These numbers are not literal, just as other figurative language in the book is not literal. For instance, the number 1,000 is a symbol of the completeness of fullness of time.  The number 144 is generally recognized as the 12 tribes of Israel squared, which is another symbol of a perfectly complete number, and when multiplied again by 1,000 for 144,000 is a double statement of perfectly completed fullness.   As entire books have been written on the meanings of these symbols, we are just noting a few here. 

It is also helpful to identify some of the players in the drama that unfolds in Revelation.  One of those is the “woman”.  There are many clues as to the woman of Revelation, but we will hit some of the critical ones here.

Rev. 11:8, “ And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.”  (KJV, all bold emp. mine throughout.)

The “great city” is identified as the place where our Lord was crucified.  So we know that the “great city” is Jerusalem.   Therefore, Jerusalem is spiritually called “Sodom” and “Egypt”.  Sodom had been destroyed for its wickedness.  God is comparing that great city, Jerusalem, to the wicked and evil Sodom.  He is also calling Jerusalem “Egypt” by calling to mind their captivity in and later exodus from that land.  The first century Christians easily recognized the comparisons.

Rev. 17:4-5, And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:  And upon her forehead was a name written, Mystery, Babylon The Great, The Mother Of Harlots And Abominations Of The Earth.”

The woman was guilty of fornication.  God calls her “Babylon The Great” and “The Mother Of Harlots“.   Fornication is a sin of intercourse without the bonds of marriage.  The woman is guilty of having intercourse with those to whom she is not married.  Then, we have another comparison to another nation which God destroyed for their evil, Babylon.   And, in the same sentence, and the same title on her forehead is the reference “The Mother of Harlots“. 

A harlot is a whore.  A whore is paid for her services.  Do you remember another reference to the whore of Babylon? 

Ez. 23:17, “And the Babylonians came to her into the bed of love, and they defiled her with their whoredom, and she was polluted with them, and her mind was alienated from them.”

Ez. Chap. 23 is discussing two sisters, two whores whom God identifies as Samaria and Jerusalem in Ez. 23:4.  Jerusalem is the whore of Babylon in Ez. 23:17. 

Ez. 23:30, “ I will do these things unto thee, because thou hast gone a whoring after the heathen, and because thou art polluted with their idols.     and….

Ez. 23:35, “Therefore thus saith the Lord God; Because thou hast forgotten me, and cast me behind thy back, therefore bear thou also thy lewdness and thy whoredoms.”

God called Jerusalem a whore, and an adulteress, because she was turning her back on her marriage with God, her covenant relationship with God, and following after idols.  She was making treaties, having intercourse with heathen nations, and forgetting her promise to God.  She was fornicating with the nations around her.

We go back again to Rev. 17 verses 4, 5 and now can see the mystery.  “Babylon The Great” and “The Mother Of Harlots”  is the whore of Babylon of Ezekiel Chap. 23, which is Jerusalem, and which is also called the “great city.”  The woman and the great city are the same.  They are Jerusalem.

Rev. 14:8,  And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.

We have established that in Revelation God refers to Jerusalem as Sodom, Egypt, and Babylon.  In the verse above, Jerusalem is again referred to as “that great city” just as in Rev. 11:8.  That great city was guilty of fornication with the nations around her.

Jer. 22:8-9, And many nations shall pass by this city, and they shall say every man to his neighbour, Wherefore hath the Lord done thus unto this great cityThen they shall answer, Because they have forsaken the covenant of the Lord their God, and worshipped other gods, and served them.”

The great city of Jeremiah was Jerusalem. Just as in Ezekiel and Jeremiah, Jerusalem is the “great city” of Revelation.  She was again guilty in the first century A.D. of following after idols because of her fornication and adultery with the heathen nations around her.  She was a great trading center of the day, and was making treaties for gain (profits) with all who came to her.

Rev. 18:9-11, And the kings of the earth, who have committed fornication and lived deliciously with her, shall bewail her, and lament for her, when they shall see the smoke of her burning,  10 Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come.  11 And the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her; for no man buyeth their merchandise any more:”

Rev. 18:17-19, 17 For in one hour so great riches is come to nought. And every shipmaster, and all the company in ships, and sailors, and as many as trade by sea, stood afar off,  18 And cried when they saw the smoke of her burning, saying, What city is like unto this great city!  19 And they cast dust on their heads, and cried, weeping and wailing, saying, Alas, alas that great city, wherein were made rich all that had ships in the sea by reason of her costliness! for in one hour is she made desolate.”

There had to be a relationship to God for the great city of Revelation to be accused as a harlot, or a whore.  The only city or nation with a covenant promise to God was Jerusalem in Judah.  Rome did not have a covenant with God to break.  Israel did.  The great city guilty of fornication and adultery had to be in Israel, and therefore was Jerusalem.

Jer. 31:32,  Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:

The Lord considered Israel as a bride, a wife.  After many years, before the Assyrian captivity, because they continually followed after idolatrous nations, God gave her a bill of divorcement.  (Is. 50:1; Jer. 3:8.)

In Rev. 17:3 the woman is sitting upon a beast.  The beast has seven heads, and ten horns.  I do not want to digress here with a discussion of the beast as it deserves its own attention, but mostly to point out that the woman is sitting on the beast.  She is not the beast.  She is directing, or influencing the direction of the beast.

Rev. 17:3, “So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.

The woman is separate from the beast.  They are not the same.  As she is sitting upon the beast, the comparison would be as a rider sits upon a horse and directs the horse.

Rev. 17:6, “And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.

The woman, the great city, Jerusalem was drunk with the blood of the saints.  The saints are the Christians.  The woman was responsible for killing the Christians.  As she was directing the beast, she was using the beast to kill and persecute the Christians. 

That describes the political state of Jerusalem under the occupation of Rome in the first century A.D.  In the first century A.D., the Sanhedrin Counsel could not exercise a death penalty.  They had to apply to a Roman governor to do so. 

So, in identifying the woman of Revelation, we have also identified the time period of the prophesy.  Revelation was written before the destruction of Jerusalem, most probably 66 – 68 A.D. to the first century Christians as a warning to know when to get out of her.

I have detailed the time period for the dating of the book of Revelation in a previous post, “It’s Not The End of The World, Part V,” which provides many more evidences.

The woman of Revelation 17 is that “great city“, and is the “Mother Of Harlots“, and is also Babylon, Sodom and Egypt, which is Jerusalem.  It is the destruction of Jerusalem in A.D. 70 that is the subject of the prophesy of Revelation.  Chap 14 continues the downfall of the great city, “Babylon” which is addressed in verse 8, where verses 19-20 conclude:

19 And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God.  20 And the winepress was trodden without the city, and blood came out of the winepress, even unto the horse bridles, by the space of a thousand and six hundred furlongs.”  (Rev. 14:19-20)

And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.”  (Rev. 16:19)

‘Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come.” (Rev. 18:10)

God’s judgment was declared upon Jerusalem. Revelation was the prophesy of that judgment to the first century Christians. Everywhere you see the reference in Revelation to the “woman” or the “harlot” or “Babylon”, “Sodom”, or “Egypt” you need to decode it and read “Jerusalem”.

“ O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!  38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.  (Matt. 23:37-38)

And they cast dust on their heads, and cried, weeping and wailing, saying, Alas, alas that great city, wherein were made rich all that had ships in the sea by reason of her costliness! for in one hour is she made desolate.“  (Rev. 18:19)

All bold emphasis is mine.  All posts are also at https://shreddingtheveil.org.

Recommended reading: http://www.preteristcentral.com/Exposition%20of%20Revelation%2022.html

http://www.ecclesia.org/truth/whore.html



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    • Rose

      And this shows the nature of ‘the whore of babylon’ system too: https://ninjabambi.wordpress.com/2015/06/13/the-whore-of-babylon/

    • MikeSavage

      Sorry, but no, you are wrong. The modern day whore of Babylon is all sects of christendom, who fornicates with all governments, and blesses soldiers and wars, and who condones immoral behavior. Sex outside the bonds of marriage and homosexuality and pedophilia are a few of these behaviors. Soon, God will put it into the hearts of these governments through the U.N. to destroy all sects of Christendom, and all their members. That is the tribulation ramping up.

      • Truthseeker

        mikesavage

        When the catholic church starts bringing back together all her daughters under her authority,,,

        The Eastern Orthodox
        Russian Orthodox
        Greek Orthodox
        Lutherans
        Protestants

        on and on and on

        When the pope begins to work miracles and not just having dried blood in a glass turn to liquid, but healing’s; fire down from heaven; speaking on TV and everyone hearing in their own language —-

        will you follow him? the whole world will and I believe your church will as well.

        • MikeSavage

          I have no church. No, I will follow NO MAN. I will only follow the Christ, Jesus, God’s SON, who is the head of the Christian Congregation, and I will follow God and His inspired word. THAT’S IT. No man deserves any glory or honor above God or His son Jesus. The scriptures teach that sects of Christendom, and all other religions created by men are false and works of the flesh, and will be destroyed. I will never be part of any of them, follow them, or listen to any of their teachings ever again. I’ve been raised Catholic, studied all other sects of Christendom in excrutiating detail, re-translated most of the contradicting translations, and will stay as far away from all of them as is humanly possible. God requires this of all true Christians in order for Him to protect them during the tribulation and final battle, and to save them from the second death, Gehenna (a symbolic or metaphorical reference to total destruction). Probably, the whole world will, but John 17 says: 11 “I am no longer in the world, but they are in the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, watch over them on account of your own name, which you have given me, so that they may be one just as we are one. 12 When I was with them, I used to watch over them on account of your own name, which you have given me; and I have protected them, and not one of them is destroyed except the son of destruction, so that the scripture might be fulfilled. 13 But now I am coming to you, and I am saying these things in the world, so that they may have my joy made complete in themselves. 14 I have given your word to them, but the world has hated them, because they are no part of the world, just as I am no part of the world.

          Seeing that I am no part of the world, and will not ever be part of the world, the world can do as it will. Being part of the world is the mark of the beast. The acceptance of this system of things. The reliance on false religion and on governments.

          • MikeSavage

            It seems that at least one person votes down doing exactly what the scriptures admonish us to do. What do you suppose they suggest we do instead of obeying God?

    • Ralph

      The Book of Revelations is About Jesus and He(Jesus) wins…

      • MikeSavage

        Ralph;
        The book of Revelation is about prophecy, and what is just about to happen to the world. It does, however, speak of Jesus ruling Earth from heaven.

    • yes2truth

      The Whore is the Harlot in Rome – The Roman Catholic Church with all her slapper daughters and The Beast is the Rothschild Money Empire.

      The Great City is Rome, not Jerusalem.

      http://isthefathercallingyoutohisson.wordpress.com/

      http://yes2faith.wordpress.com/

      http://yes2truthblog.wordpress.com/

      • Louis

        The Great Harlot of Babylon rests on seven hills. Jerusalem sits on seven hills.

        Rome is also built on seven hills — but the Vatican is not situated on any of them. Instead, it resides on the far side of the Tiber outside the walls of ancient Rome.

        The Great Harlot is adorned in scarlet robes. The ceremonial robes (ephod) of Hebrew priests are scarlet purple.

        The Vatican doesn’t meet the criteria of the Great Harlot and therefore cannot be her. Anyone who says otherwise is simply a bigot lacking any semblance of reason.

        • Truthseeker

          louis

          What other church has so many that have come out of her, what other church is call the “Mother Church”? The vast majority of so called Christianity have come from the catholic church.

          What is “Mystery Babylon” called “The Mother of harlots”, thus the catholic church, which teaches everything is a mystery is the mother of harlots and all those that have come out of her are her daughters and they are the harlots.

          Watch closely louis the daughters are beginning to return to the Mother church.

          • MikeSavage

            What do you mean what church? Babylon is ALL churches and religions claiming to be Christian. They all do so falsely. Every sect of Christendom without exception. You will see when the U.N. sets about destroying all of them. It’s not in the distant future either.

            • Hwyone

              Thumbs up!

        • Scanner Darko

          Jeremiah 7:18: “The children gather wood, and the fathers kindle the fire, and the women knead their dough, to make cakes to the QUEEN OF HEAVEN, and to pour out drink offerings unto other gods, that they may provoke me to anger.”

      • maxxy

        ….Yes2truth….I believe you are correct…..and the destruction of “the temple”, occurred when the WTC fell in NYC, on 9/11.

      • MikeSavage

        yes2truth;
        Why don’t you instead believe the scriptures? What you posted is absolutely NOT what the scriptures say.

        • maxxy

          Savage….for all your ‘rebellion’, you still worship at the altar of your own ego.

          • MikeSavage

            maxxy;
            No. I have no ego, and worship at no altar. Your lack of scriptural scholarship is what your problem is. You pretend, however, that you actually have opened a Bible before, which is doubtful.

    • JKnTX

      Well duh!

      Earth is a giant farm and humans are it’s most important crop, feeding the hive mind that calls itself god and enslaves all of them.
      This is “their” last stand and the final battles of the last war will be fought out here. Enjoy the ride, comrade taxpayers!
      You fail to understand that your god and devil are very much one in the same, “they” just wear different masques as the mood and occasion suites.

    • mike

      The book of Revelation is not true scripture as it is a montage of old testament and other versions of revelation which is entertaining but was written after 70 a.d. when prophecy was sealed. It is so hard to understand that people like Martin Luther gave up on it. It is placed at the end of the bible, not only because of it’s theme, but because it was among the disputed books. It promises a curse to those who do not respect it, of which I do not fear. Take it with a grain of salt …… better yet, leave it be as you will never understand it.

      • CAPTAIN CHAOS!!

        “The book of Revelation is not true scripture…”

        You might try stating that a little less factually in the future. Your opinion does not equal biblical verity.

        “It is so hard to understand that people like Martin Luther gave up on it.”

        And you can conceive of no other motive for him to shun the work, than that he couldn’t understand it? You trust men. You are warned not to do that.

        “It is placed at the end of the bible, not only because of it’s theme, but because it was among the disputed books.”

        Sequential placement of Revelation was established long before Luther was even a thought. And if the end of the Bible is not the correct place for that Book, then what would you prefer? The beginning?

        “It promises a curse to those who do not respect it…”

        False. It promises the plagues of Egypt to those who would ADD to it. It promises removal from the Book of Life for all the names of those who would SUBTRACT from it.

        “…of which I do not fear.”

        I won’t be the only one to remember you said that.

        “Take it with a grain of salt…”

        An affront to the written Word.

        “…better yet, leave it be as you will never understand it.”

        Your witness is false.

        These aren’t the kinds of rationalizations you should be broadcasting to the world, Mike. Your inability to comprehend Scripture is not an indication of its illegitimacy.

        Insolence.

        • mike

          Walter …. I do not like to debate with you …. not because you are so knowledgeable, but because you are so … so like your picture. Most of your long address was mere carping. And you seldom acknowledge any error. Do you profess to understand Revelation ? Do you believe in the Bible jot and title ? Why do you suppose the world is so at odds as to mid-trib, post- trib, millennial, Babylon, etc. ? I do not expect everything I say to equal Bible verity as you evidently do. The Holy Spirit within me does not attest to the book of Revelation. It is not written in His gracious language. I prefer to stick mainly with Paul. Maybe I should not have brought up the issue … sorry about that. later Mike

          • CAPTAIN CHAOS!!

            “…you seldom acknowledge any error.”

            I acknowledge error when I find myself to be in error, Mike. Or when I’m shown to be in it.

            “Do you profess to understand Revelation?”

            That’s not a question I can satisfy with a yes or no answer. Revelation is the same as the rest of Scripture – the more it is studied, the deeper it is examined, the more familiar one becomes with its prophetic teachings and the better one can comprehend and/or discuss what is written. I maintain that if a man had 1000 years to devote full-time to Bible-study, he would not have enough time to wrangle every bit of meaning from the Scriptures. And the Book of Revelation is Scripture. What I will say is this: I understand Revelation better than you do. I recognize it very clearly for what it is.

            “Do you believe in the Bible jot and title?”

            Most assuredly.

            “Why do you suppose the world is so at odds as to mid-trib, post- trib, millennial, Babylon, etc.?”

            Because people suffer from a congenital inability to take Scripture at its word. And most of us happen to be very careless readers. That is to say nothing of the fact that an overwhelming majority of Bible believers value the opinions of other men as much (if not more so) as they value the written Word itself.

            “I do not expect everything I say to equal Bible verity as you evidently do.”

            Mike, you stated plainly that Revelation was not Scripture and that you have no compunction about dismissing the warning contained within it. You stated as a fact that Revelation is not the Word of God. You didn’t hedge your bets. You didn’t say it was an opinion. You bore witness. And your witness was false.

            “The Holy Spirit within me does not attest to the book of Revelation.”

            That is a problem.

            “It is not written in His gracious language.”

            That is an opinion.

            “I prefer to stick mainly with Paul.”

            And that is an error. Paul is an addendum to the Gospel. The Letters of Paul are indeed Scripture, but Paul’s writing is explanatory. The subject being explained is the Word. Revelation is the Word.

            “Maybe I should not have brought up the issue.”

            Had you stated an opinion that Revelation is not Scripture, you and I would not be having this conversation.

        • Truthseeker

          Walter,

          I too saw what Mike wrote, I am tired and did not want to comment but I saw your comment — as always very well thought out.

          What Mike and many others on BIN do not seem to understand is how patient our God is — BUT — There is a time when HIS patients runs out. I believe we are at that point and folks have not one clue of the power of HIS WRATH.

          All of these people making vile comments about God, His Word and His Son and HIS PEOPLE will soon be not only very sorry but will wish for death.

          • mike

            Yikes Truth ‘Speaker’ … I have made no vile comments about God, or His Word Jesus, or His ‘chosen’ people. Watch what you say about the brother.

            • Truthseeker

              Sorry Mike I did not mean to include you, as I said I was tired and the wording was too loose.

              What you said is — lets say was ‘unfortunate’ but not vile and blasphemous.

              Walter gave you a needed dressing down, but there are some here on BIN that will get more than a dressing down.

      • they.pierced.My.hands.and.My.feet.

        Mike, yeah I can’t cite anywhere Yhshua commanded to read the book of Revelations. Entertaining :lol:

        Disputed books ? Apparently they believed that ‘tares’ can be sown among words in books also, as God allows tares to be among the wheat of His Kingdom ? :idea:

    • The Watcher

      LADY GAGA!

    • Klemens
    • Amminadab

      Sorry have to disagree with you.

      Babylon is Rome.

      The Apostate Church

      However, the woman described in Revelation 17 represents an apostate church, the direct opposite of the true and faithful church represented by the woman described in Revelation 12. While the Roman Catholic Church readily and willingly identifies itself as the woman of Revelation 12, the bride of Christ, it is precisely and graphically described in Revelation 17, as we shall see.

      Rev 17:1 … Come hither; I will show unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters:
      Rev 17:2 With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication.

      The woman of Revelation 17 rides a symbolic beast. A beast in scripture is symbolic of an empire or state. Examples of this are explained in Daniel 7, where a lion represented Babylon, a bear represented Medo-Persia, and a leopard represented Greece. Therefore, the woman of Revelation 17 riding a beast is symbolic of the combining of the ecclesiastical power of church (the woman) and political power of the state (the beast), i.e., a church in control of state power.

      Rev 17:18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.

      The Vatican City is the seat of the Roman Catholic Church, and since the Lateran Concordat of 1929 it is also an independent country, the epitome of Church and State combined

      http://www.biblelight.net/vatican.htm
      http://www.mystery-babylon.net/

      • Gina

        I know we disagree Amminadab. You are seeing parallels between political states of today under Vatican rule, and Vatican papal bulls claiming to own the entire earth, to that of the empire of Rome in the first century. Those parallels are valid, but that does not translate to the first century A.D. prophesy of the whore of Babylon.

        The whore of Babylon was one who was turning her back on God, and violating a marriage covenant with God. Rome of the first century A.D. had made no such covenant with God. They were an idolatrous pagan nation state. But, they were not in a covenant relationship with God, nor had they been. The fornicator, the whore had gone to bed with strangers, and taken payment from the nations around her, defying the promise made to God. That was Israel, and specifically Jerusalem. She came under that judgment for her whoredom and for crucifying Christ, and persecuting the saints.

        Rome also came under judgment, which is seen in secular history with the turmoil for the year of 4 Caesars, and the decline and fall of that empire.

        Jesus rules now from the right hand of God, and He judges the nations now, just as He always has. Revelation is our example, as it is to all nations that turn their back on God. It is a warning that just as God judge His covenant chosen people for turning away from him, and getting in bed with the nations around her, He will judge every nation that does not abide with Him.

        One of the reasons I feel so compelled at this time to write is that I know much of the world today is in danger of God’s judgment. The immediate prophesy of Revelation was to the first century world, but today we are in a comparable state where His judgment may be exercised at any time. And, that is why we need to understand that Revelation is a warning to all generations since A.D. 70.

    • Amminadab

      Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know you not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? Whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God. James 4:4

      This apostate church is sitting upon many waters, wielding a wide influence, causing multitudes to worship in her false system, for, the angel tells John, “The waters which you saw, where the whore sits, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.”

      On the forehead of the woman is a name written, Mystery, Babylon the Great, The Mother of Harlots and Abominations of the Earth.” Let’s just list the characteristics of this “Babylon”.

      Sits on many waters–which are peoples and multitudes and nations (17:1,15)
      Fornicates with the kings of the earth. (17:2, 18:3,9)
      Makes inhabitants of the earth drunk with the wine of her fornication. (17:2, 18:3)
      Sitting on a blasphemous scarlet, seven-headed beast, with ten horns. (17:3)
      She is dressed in purple and scarlet, decked with gold and jewels. (17:4, 18:16)
      She has a cup full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication–which she offers to all nations. (17:4, 18:3)
      She has a name on her forehead, MYSTERY BABYLON, MOTHER OF HARLOTS, and ABOMINATIONS of earth. (Rev. 17:5)
      She is drunk with the blood of saints and martyrs.(17:6)
      She is fallen. (18:2)
      She is full of devils, and foul spirits and unclean birds (18:2)
      She has glorified herself. (18:7,19)
      She says she sits as queen and shall see no sorrow.(18:7)
      She is very rich. (18:17)
      She deceives with sorceries all nations. (18:23)
      In her was found the blood of prophets of saints and of all that were slain upon the earth.

      http://dedication.www3.50megs.com/revelation17.html

    • Apollo is the A/C

      Gina,
      You R right on the money. Very few people can grasp that the World is run from Jerusalem. The A/C will set up his kingdom there between the seas and the Holy Mountain….see Daniel 11:45. Yes America will fall and Rome will burn but Jesus made it clear that Judea will come under attack – see Matthew 24:15-16/Mark 13:14/Luke 21:20-21

      GREAT JOB!!!

      Mappy

    • Amminadab

      Cardinal Newman admits in his book that; the “temples, incense, oil lamps, votive offerings, holy water, Holidays, and seasons of devotion, processions, blessings of the fields, sacerdotal vestments, the tonsure (of priests, munks and nuns), images, and statues… are all of PAGAN ORIGIN.” -The Development of the Christian Religion Cardinal Newman p.359

      The penetration of the religion of Babylon became so general and well known that Rome was called the “New Babylon.” -Faith of our fathers 1917 ed. Cardinal Gibbons, p. 106

      “Confiding then in the power of Christianity to resist the infection of evil, and to transmute the instruments and appendages of demon worship to an evangelical use… the rulers of the church from early times were prepared should occasion arise, to adopt, or imitate, or sanction the existing rites and customs of the populace.” -Development of Christian Doctrine, Cardinal Newman. p. 372

      Cardinal Newman lists many examples of things of “pagan origin” which the papacy brought into the church “in order to recommend the new religion to the heathen: “in order to recommend the new religion to the heathen:” “The use of temples, and these dedicated to particular saints, and ornamented on occasions with branches of trees; incense, lamps, and candles; holy water; asylums [hermitages, monasteries and convents]; [pagan] holy-days, processions, sacerdotal vestments, the tonsure, the ring in marriage, turning to the East, images, . . . and the Kyrie Eleison.”–Cardinal J. H. Newman, An Essay on the Development of Christian Doctrine, 1920 edition, p.373 [Roman Catholic].
      “The [Catholic] Church took the pagan philosophy and made it the buckler of faith against the heathen. She took the pagan Roman Pantheon, temple of all the gods, and made it sacred to all the martyrs; so it stands to this day. She took the pagan Sunday and made it the Christian Sunday. She took the pagan Easter and made it the feast we celebrate during this season . . . The Sun was a foremost god with heathendom . . . The sun has worshipers at this hour in Persia and other lands . . . Hence the Church would seem to say, ‘Keep that old pagan name [Sunday]. It shall remain consecrated, sanctified.’ And thus the pagan Sunday, dedicated to Balder, became the Christian Sunday, sacred to Jesus”–William L. Gildea, “Paschale Gaudium,” in The Catholic World, 58, March, 1894, p. 809 [A Roman Catholic weekly].

      “in order to recommend the new religion to the heathen:” “The use of temples, and these dedicated to particular saints, and ornamented on occasions with branches of trees; incense, lamps, and candles; holy water; asylums [hermitages, monasteries and convents]; [pagan] holy-days, processions, sacerdotal vestments, the tonsure, the ring in marriage, turning to the East, images, . . . and the Kyrie Eleison.”–J. H. Newman, An Essay on the Development of Christian Doctrine, 1920 edition, p.373 [Roman Catholic].

      “The mighty Catholic Church was little more then the Roman Empire baptized.”– A. C, Flick, The Rise of the Mediaeval Church, 1909 edition, p. 148. From ancient Babylon came the cult of the virgin mother-goddess, who was worshiped as the highest of gods–see S. H. Langdon, Semitic Mythology, 1931 edition. This worship was taken over as Mary-worship by Rome. Heathen sun-worship on Sunday was likewise adopted by the Roman apostasy.

      “In order to attach to Christianity great attraction in the eyes of the nobility, the priests adopted the outer garments and adornments which were used in pagan cults.” -Life of Constantine, Eusabius, cited in Altai-Nimalaya, p. 94

      “The Church did everything it couldto stamp out such ‘pagan’ rites, but had to capitualet and allow the rites to continue with only the name of the local diety changed to some Christian saint’s name.” -Religious Tradition and Myth. Dr. Edwin Goodenough, Professor of Religion, Harvard University. p. 56, 57

      “From the foregoing, which treats merely of the more important solar festivals, it is clear that these products of paganism are as much in force at present … as they ever were, and that Christianity countenances, and in many cases has actually adopted and practiced, pagan rites whose heathen significance is merely lost sight of because attention is not called tot the source whence these rites have sprung. So heavy was this infiltration that Sir Samuel Dill exclaims: “Christianity is only a sect of the Mithraists.” -Roman Society from Nero to Marcus Aurelius, p. VII

      “We know that Mithraism was a state religion of Rome at the time that the Christian church was established there. Evidently tenants of Mithraism such as Sunday worship and eating the wafer in the mass were adopted into Christianity at that time” -Jim Arrabito “666 & the Mark”

      In Stanley’s History, page 40: “The popes filled the place of the vacant emperors at Rome, inheriting
      their power, their prestige, and their titles from PAGANISM.”

      “In short, sun worship, symbolically speaking, lies at the very heart of the great festivals which the Christian Church celebrates today, and these relics of heathen religion have, through the medium of their sacred rites, curiously enough blended with practices and beliefs utterly antagonistic to the spirit which prompted them.” -Sun Lore of All Ages, Olcott, p. 248

      “Yet the cross itself is the oldest of phallic emblems, and the lozenge-shaped windows of cathedrals are proof that the yonic symbols have survived the destructions of the pagan Mysteries. The very structure of the church itself is permeated with (sexual symbolism) phallicism. Remove from the Christian Church all emblems of Priapic origin and nothing is left…” -The secret teaching of all ages by Manley P. Hall

      “When the zealots of the primitave Christian Church sought to Christianize paganism, the pagan initiates retorted with a powerful effort to paganize Christianity. The Christians failed but the pagans succeeded. With the decline of paganism the initiated pagan hierophants transferred their base of operations to the new vehicle of primitive Christianity, adopting the symbols of the new cult to conceal those eternal verities which are ever the priceless possession of the wise.” -The secret teachings of all ages, Manley P. Hall p. CLXXXV

      “…The world, cloaked with a form of righteousness, walked into the church. Now the work of corruption rapidly progressed. Paganism, while appearing to be vanquished, became the conqueror. Her spirit controlled the church. Her doctrines, ceremonies, and superstitions were incorporated into the faith and worship of the professed followers of Christ.” -The Great Controversy, p. 50

      “The belief in miracle-working objects, talismans, amulets, and formulas was dear to Christianity, and they were received from pagan antiquity . . . The vestments of the clergy and the papal title of ‘pontifex maximus’ were legacies from pagan Rome. The [Catholic] Church found that rural converts still revered certain springs, wells, trees, and stones; she thought it wiser to bless these to Christian use then to break too sharply the customs of sentiment . . . Pagan festivals dear to the people, reappeared as Christian feasts, and pagan rites were transformed into Christian liturgy . . . The Christian calendar of saints replaced the Roman ‘fasti’ [gods]; ancient divinities dear to the people were allowed to revive under the names of ‘Christian saints’ . . . Gradually the tenderest features of Astarte, Cybele, Artemis, Diana, and Isis were gathered together in the worship of Mary”–Wil Durant, The Age of Faith, 1950, pp. 745-746.

      Langdon tells us that Mary worship came from ancient Babylon where the virgin mother-goddess was worshiped under the name “Ishtar.” Elsewhere in the Near East, the mother-goddess was called “Astarte, Ashtoreth, Persephone, Artemis, [Diana] of Ephesus, Venus, and Isis.” This goddess, considered to be greater than any god, was called by these heathen the “virgin mother, merciful mother, Queen of Heaven, and my lady” [which is what "Madonna" means in Italian]. Langdon says she was often sculptured in mother-and-infant images, or as a “mater dolorom” [sorrowful mother] interceding for men with a wrathful god. And thus ancient paganism was brought into the churches and lives of Christians.–see S.H. Langdon, Semitic Mythology, 1931 edition, pp. 12-34, 108-111, 341-344. Laing mentions several other corruptions by which the mother-goddess was worshiped by heathens, that Rome adopted into Christianity: holy water, votive offerings, elevation of sacred objects [lifting of the host], the priest’s bells, the decking of images, processions, festivals, prayers for the dead, the worship of relics and the statues of saints.–see Gordon J. Laing, Survivals of Roman Religion, 1931 edition, pp. 92-95, 123-131,238-241.

      Two dominant elements brought into Christianity from paganism by Rome were Sun worship symbols and the religious practices of ancient Babylon] “The solar theology of the Chaldaeans [Babylonians], had decisive effect . . . [upon the] final form reached by the religion of the pagan Semites, and following them, by that of the Romans when [the Roman emperor] Aurelian, the conqueror of Palmyra, had raised ‘Sol Invictus’ [the invincible sun-god] to the rank of supreme divinity in the Empire”–The Cambridge Ancient History, vol. 11, pp. 643, 646-647. From Palmyra he transferred to the new sanctuary the images of Helios [the sun-god] and Bel, the malaise patron god of Babylon–see Cumont, The Oriental Religions In Roman Paganism, 1911 edition, pp. 114-115, 124.
      http://www.remnantofgod.org/whoreofbabylon.htm

    • Amminadab

      Revelation 17:1-6 “I will show unto you the judgment of the great whore”

      Scripture teaches that Christ is the bridegroom and the Church is the bride of Christ and hence the Church is symbolically represented as a woman. A Church that prays to dead saints or bows down before statues and kisses the foot of such statues etc, is guilty of idolatry and is being unfaithful to what is supposed to be their one true love being God. So God refers to an idolatrous Church as a harlot and a whore which is guilty of adultery and fornication. This Babylonian woman who has “fallen” signifies that “Mystery Babylon” represents a globally supported Church that has fallen away from her true lover, Jesus Christ, and from Bible truth and God’s law. (Ezekiel 16:26-32; Jeremiah 3:1-25)

      “that sitteth upon many waters:”

      The following scripture reveals how this water is symbolic of an area with people from all nations and how literal Babylon was built over water. The Apostle John through Jesus is showing parallels between literal Babylon and spiritual Babylon. (Revelation 17:15)

      “2 With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication.”

      This refers to all her false doctrines that have spread to kingdoms all over the world that have become intoxicated (deceived) by these false doctrines. (Jeremiah 51:7)

      “3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman”

      A “woman” when symbolic in scripture ALWAYS represents a Church. You will see scripture frequently refer to a Church as “she” or “her” as in a woman. Remember that God’s Church is His people regardless to if it is Old Testament or New Testament and so God’s people in the Old Testament are His Old Testament Church. Here are a few scriptures demonstrating this very important point. Note that last one that reveals very clearly that the Church is the bride of Christ and hence a woman. See various scriptures.

      “sit upon a scarlet”

      The colour scarlet represents sin (Isaiah 1:18) as she is a sinful kingdom that is guilty of idolatry and fornication and thought to change the law of God that defines what sin is. (Daniel 7:25) She thought that she had the authority to change the law of God and I am really surprised that anyone would think that they could change the law of God that defines what sin is (1 John 3:4) and why Jesus died for us. See quotes.

      “coloured beast,”

      Many are not aware that a beast symbolically in scripture simply represents a kingdom just as many nations today have an animal that represents them. So a scarlet coloured beast is a sinful kingdom. (Daniel 7:17; 7:23]

      “full of names of blasphemy,”

      She has many blasphemous practices and claims. (See Quotes and Adam Clarke’s Commentary on Daniel 7:25)

      “having seven heads and ten horns.”

      For seven headed beasts in ancient mythology see Isaiah 27:1. See Daniel 7:24; Revelation 12:3; 13:1; Daniel 7:7 and Revelation 12:3 in regards to the ten horns.

      “4 And the woman [Church] was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold”

      These are the official Vatican colours. Note that the robes of the Old Testament Priests also had the colour blue which represents God’s law. Remember that God says this is a sinful kingdom and so the colour blue was very interestingly excluded. (Exodus 28:4-6; Numbers 15:38-40) It is understood that the tablets of the Ten Commandments were cut from the clear blue sapphire seen on mount Sinai (Exodus 24:10), which makes up the very throne of God (Ezekiel 1:26, 10:1). So, the Ark of the Covenant in the most holy apartment of the sanctuary, the throne of God’s presence (the Shekinah glory), contained the blue sapphire tablets of the Ten Commandments.

      “and precious stones and pearls,”

      It is a well known fact that the Vatican is filthy rich unlike America that has a mounting and out of control debt.

      “having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication: 5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY,”

      There are very few people who understand what originated from this mystery Babylonian religion and where many of the traditions of the Papal religion really started.

      “BABYLON”

      We find God calls the Papal Church Babylon because she has a tremendous amount of paganism that has come from literal Babylon. See the origin of sun worship for detail. There will be of course those who find it hard to acknowledge the truth here and will deny that paganism is in their Church but the Roman Catholic Church themselves even acknowledge that this is the truth. Note the following Catholic quotes.

      “THE GREAT, THE MOTHER”

      The Catholic Church calls herself the Mother Church because most of the main stream Churches today originated from the Protestant reformation when these Protestants discovered from scripture that the Papal Church was the antichrist power. Some claim that mystery Babylon represents all false religion but not so as she is a mother as in “one” and those that came from her are the daughters. Together they would represent many false religions with paganism but the mother is one. Note the following quotes.

      “OF HARLOTS”

      She is the mother of harlots since there were many Churches that came from the Catholic Church from the Protestant reformation that ignorantly took on some of her idolatrous pagan practices such as worshipping on Sunday in place of worshipping on the Sabbath day according to the Commandment that came from pagan Sun worship. Jesus emphasized very strongly that those who put traditions in place of His Commandments are Hypocrites. (Mark 7:6-9) View a shocking re-enactment video of what the Catholic Church typically did to those who kept God’s Sabbath rather than Sunday, which they implemented.

      “AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH”

      The Papal Church is guilty of some of the most abominable and evil crimes in history. See Catholic Church error for more.

      “6 And I saw the woman [Church] drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus:”

      The Catholic Church murdered and tortured over 50,000,000 Christian saints. Look up the Spanish inquisition for an example or read Foxes Book Of Martyrs. See quotes.

      It is not hard to see that the mystery Babylon referred to in the Bible is a Church even without the history and main Biblical evidence. This site was written with the purpose of trying to help those who are not aware of these facts to see the truth but is quite brief in detail, so for those who want extremely detailed information on the history and the rest of the Biblical evidence, you can find it on the following site who is the Antichrist or who is mystery Babylon the great for more specific information on this topic.

      Did you note that history and Daniel chapters 2, 7 and Revelation 13 alone reveal conclusively who mystery Babylon is also by identifying who is the antichrist today being the Catholic Church, which was one way the early protestants also discovered the truth.
      http://www.mysterybabylon.info/

    • Amminadab

      “And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters: With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication. So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.” Revelation 17:1-3

      In chapter 17, John is shown something by one of the angels of the plagues. The scene is in the wilderness; this brings our minds to the 1260 years the Roman church ruled the world, and the persecuted people of God were forced into obscurity. Now we see this persecuting power drunken with the blood of martyrs. She has already committed fornication with the kings of the earth, and the people of earth have been deceived and made drunk by the wine of her false teachings. So this indicates the time very accurately at the end of the 1260 year period of Papal Rule in the Dark Ages. The timing is important to rightly interpret the message this chapter has for us today.

      What does he see? A woman, which symbolizes a church, and she is riding on a savage beast, which represents the world governments and powers used by Satan to persecute God’s people. She is called a whore, a woman that goes out with other men, not her husband, for money.

      The true church is a pure woman, and she is the bride of Christ. But this woman, though she claims to belong to Jesus, has relations with all the kings and governments, and she does it for money and power. That is why she is called the Great Whore.

      “And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication: And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus, and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.” Revelation 17:4-6

      What a clear description of the Roman church. See her colors, purple and scarlet; look at her riches and jewels, and she has a golden cup in her hand full of false doctrines, which make people spiritually drunk when they believe them.

      She is a mother church; this is exactly what the Roman power claims to be. The Protestant churches are her daughters. And she is indeed drunken with the blood of saints and martyrs for Jesus, as she has persecuted and killed them by the millions. Jesus never wants His church to use the power of earthly governments and courts to make others obey her wishes.

      As John sees this scene, he is amazed at the sight.

      “And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns.” Revelation 17:7.

      Now the angel proceeds to give to John a detailed explanation of the strange scene he is looking at. This explanation is very important to us, as these things are happening in our world, right now before our very eyes.

      “The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.” Revelation 17:8

      Notice the words, this beast ‘was’; it was ruling during the 1260 years; but now, at the time the vision is shown to John, he is told it ‘is not’. But he is told it will come back; it will ascend out of the bottomless pit.

      Now we have heard the expression ‘bottomless pit’ before in the prophecies. What it means here is out of the depths of wickedness and sin of this world. Every time this expression is mentioned in prophecy it shows us that here is some new demonstration of Satan’s power; some different form of wickedness than he has used before.

      We saw the ‘smoke out of the bottomless pit’ which was a dark religion which arose in the deserts. We saw a beast from the bottomless pit arise to kill the two witnesses in the French Revolution, which was a form of atheism, not before known in Europe. Now we see that this beast, when it comes back again, will arise from the bottomless pit. As wicked and cruel as it was before in the 1260 years, it will be worse and a slightly different form when it comes again.

      “And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.” Revelation 17:9

      Rome is often referred to as the city on seven hills or mountains. The city of Rome is built on seven literal mountains or hills: “It is within the city of Rome, called The City on Seven Hills, that the entire area of Vatican State Proper is now confined” The Catholic Encyclopedia, p. 529.

      But also another meaning can be seen here, as in prophecy a ‘mountain’ refers to a church or religious power, and seven, means complete or total. So this power sits on, or influences and tries to control all religious organizations.

      “And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.” Revelation 17:10

      These heads, and the seven kings are the same. They represent all the powers Satan has used to fight against God and His truth and His faithful people throughout world history.

      1: BABYLON: from the time of Nimrod on.

      2: MEDO-PERSIA:

      3: GREECE:

      4: PAGAN ROME:

      5: PAPAL ROME: this being the head that was wounded or ‘killed to death’ in 1798.

      6: ONE IS: this is the Lamb-like beast or USA; with its two horns of civil and religious liberty. How do we know this for sure? Because Revelation 13:12 tells us it exercises all the power of the leopard-like Beast ‘before it’, so we know the two horned USA beast/head follows the Leopard-like Papal beast/head. In this prophecy the Papal head is not yet ‘killed to death’ but it is so close to this time that prophecy states it is already fallen.

      In Daniel 8:1, Daniel is given a vision during the reign of Belshazzar, the last king of Babylon. The vision sets forth the kingdoms of Bible prophecy, except that Babylon is not included. Daniel’s vision leaves out Babylon as a kingdom of Bible prophecy, even though Babylon was still ruling the earth, and Belshazzar was still on the throne; but it was about to fall. It was past its power and glory. It was fallen, though it still reigned. This is the condition of the papacy in the 25 years before 1798. Yes, it still had not received the deadly wound, but prophetically, it had fallen.

      7: ONE IS NOT YET COME: this, as we will see, is what we are now hearing a lot about in our word; the ‘New World Order’. This is actually the U.N. activated and backed up by the might of the USA. When it comes into power it will be using as its ‘moral authority’ the:

      8: RESURRECTED PAPAL ROMAN HEAD:

      “And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.” Revelation 17:11

      We also see that when the Roman power’s deadly wound is healed, it can once again persecute heretics. It was one of the seven, but now here it comes again. We are told it shall go into perdition; in other words it will continue until the end of all things and be destroyed by the plagues and the brightness of Jesus’ coming.
      http://understanding-daniel-revelation.com

      • Gina

        You are extrapolating a great deal that is not in the texts. The Roman Catholic Church is a pagan church, but the woman in Revelation is not the RCC. The RCC is definitely apostate, and the Pope is definitely an antichrist, but he is not THE antichrist of Revelation. I will explore more of the beast of Revelation soon, but the ten horns refer to the Caesars of Rome… which one was ruling at the time Revelation was written, and that was NERO! It is NERO that was THE antichrist of Revelation.

        What you are calling the Papal Empire is not a nation state, and is not in the dream of Daniel. Papal Rome has contrived a position of monetary influence over most of the world, but that is not the same as a nation with geographical boundaries.

        The Dream of Dan. 2 concerned the dominion of the kingdoms, and the height of their power. The first, Babylon held dominion until 539 BC, when they were overthrown by the Cyrus the Great; The Medes & Persians were the second empire holding dominion until they were conquered by Alexander the Great in 334 BC (Hellespont) and 330 BC (Persopolis); the 3rd kingdom was the Greco-Macedonian empire, which then was overtaken by the Roman empire in 188 BC at the treaty of Ampanea. The Roman empire, the 4th national geographical empire, would hold dominion until Christ’s judgment, and second coming in A.D. 70. After each defeat the dominions of each empire waned. As Christ’s Kingdom, his everlasting kingdom was fully established with His coming in power in that generation, just as he promised, no other kingdom has dominion nor parallel nor comparison with His Kingdom. And, that is the point of Daniel 2.

        Dan. 2:44, “And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.”

        If you want to follow the futurist view, then you will have to say that His kingdom does not yet exist, which will be contrary to the scriptures.

        Please see http://www.preteristcentral.com/The%20Prophecy%20of%20Daniel%20Two.html for more in depth discussion of the empires.

        • Truthseeker

          gina

          you “definitely” do not know what you are talking about

      • Gina

        An argument based upon a false premise is false. Was the spiritual church of Christ, the body of Christ, the bride of Christ established on the day of Pentecost, or not? Is it a spiritual body, or not? Answer to both is yes. His church, His bride was established on the day of Pentecost. It is a spiritual body made up of all those who have been covered by His blood, and have put on His righteousness. His church will never leave Him again. We can only leave it by falling from His grace. Our fall from grace, or a particular church’s fall from grace does not dissolve His spiritual church.

        Do you think that an apostate church is included in His spiritual body? It is not. So, His bride, His church has never been associated with an apostate church. The RCC was never a bride of Christ, as the congregation at Rome was already apostate when that RCC organization came into being. The warnings in Revelation to the seven churches for falling from grace are the removal of their candlestick. A church that loses its candlestick is not in the body of Christ.

        So, the “woman” that was being judged as a fornicator, and a whore was one that had been married to God under the old covenant. Because the church of the new covenant does not fornicate and whore with strangers, as it is always composed only of those who are covered by His blood. His spiritual church is not a physical congregation, and does not include an apostate congregation.

        Your arguments that the woman is a specific apostate church fail in that the apostate church is not of the body of Christ and therefore is not a bride to Christ. His church and His Kingdom do not depend upon the state of the RCC. You are allowing the RCC to frame the parameters of your belief. You have lifted the prophesy out of time and place, and therefore are plugging in possible solutions to solve a problem that was created by a false premise.

        • GUNNY

          “Was the spiritual church of Christ, the body of Christ, the bride of Christ established on the day of Pentecost, or not?”

          Funny that you should preface that question with the statement:

          “An argument based upon a false premise is false.”

          The Body and the Bride are not synonymous. The Bride is of the Body, but the Body is not the Bride:

          And the את הֵצָּלע *(eth tsêlâ‛), which the LORD God had taken from the Man, made He a woman and brought her unto the Man.

          *H6763 צלעה tsêlâ‛ tsay-law’:

          From H6760; a rib (as curved), literally (OF THE BODY) or figuratively (OF A DOOR, that is, leaf); hence a side, literally (of a person) or figuratively (of an object or the sky, that is, quarter)…

          The Bride will be taken out of the Body.

          “His church, His bride was established on the day of Pentecost.”

          The Body may have been. The Bride was not.

          • MikeSavage

            Walter;
            No church of the Christ exists, or has ever existed. He began no church or religion. He taught “the one true faith”. Religions claiming to be Christian are all apostate to the original Christianity. They prove false.

            • Mayhem

              You don’t read so good do ya, Savage? Walter spoke of the Body and the Bride not a church. Or should i say “Kingdom Hall”?

            • Bill Lyle

              Well said, Mayhem

    • Hwyone

      The Mother of Harlots is the whore riding the beast. The False-Prophet beast is another imagery, symbolizing the same whore. It’s the mainstream religious establishment of 501(c)3 accredited temples, being it Christian or muslin, but mainly Christian sects, as they are falling away from truth by apostatizing in a wholesale basis, following “Judaism’s Strange God” (Michael Hoffman). The pre-tribulation, dispensationalist church labor in the dialectical error of “jewish-christian” theology.

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