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Breaking: Terrifying Louisiana Flood Catastrophe New Evacuation Warnings. More Cities to Drown. Thousands Flee Chaos.

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By Deborah Dupré

BREAKING: Louisiana’s catastrophic flood scene on Day 4 plummeted into death and extreme chaos, according to officials. More flash flooding is expected any moment in numerous heavily populated areas, a National Weather Service Alert warned at 3:30 CST. With 11 confirmed dead, heart wrenching pleas to help rescue loved ones stranded for over three days continue pouring onto social media pages. Some towns are nine feet under water. Urgent sobering warnings were posted by social media users earlier Tuesday, not to scare but instead, to remind local resisters, stayers, not to be complacent, even if their homes have never flooded in the past. This 1000-year flood is different. The Hurricane Katrina aftermath tragic chaos, however, is eerily similar.

“I cannot stress to our residents enough the magnitude of this situation,” Meredith Conger, Ascension Parish homeland security planning and intelligence officer, said in a statement Monday. “This type of historic flooding has never been seen before and we are not out of danger yet.”

READ: Apocalyptic Louisiana Flooding Updates: ‘LEAVE NOW!’ ‘DO NOT WAIT’ Warnings, ‘All Local Gages Rising’ Entire Cities Drowning.

Day 4 Heart wrenching Chaos

With over 30 inches of rainfall since Friday, at least 30,000 rescues, and a path of 40,000 homes destroyed thus far, Louisiana residents and others post heartfelt messages as they frantically try to get help tor stranded victims. Eleven deaths are confirmed. An untold number of people remain missing. Family members and friends still have no idea what has become of their loved ones, with no word over three days, no phone, electricity or WI-fi access in many places. Unknown is the number of survivors still in their attics awaiting rescue.

Tuesday morning, as the number of parishes in declared emergency states reached 30, frantic loved ones posted calls for help to rescue victims still known be stranded after waiting three days, without food or water. Others are posting messages regarding unaccounted victims left with no access to communication devices nor electricity in many cases, such as in hard-hit Denham Springs (Livingston Parish) just out of Baton Rouge, with a population of over 10,000.

(Above: Louisiana Flood Day-4 Post. Credit: Louisiana Flood Lost and Found, Facebook)

Disturbing messages indicate that officials are following the same MO as during Hurricane Katrina’s aftermath chaos: preventing volunteers with boats to rescue survivors after days of no food and water. Monday morning over 60 boats manned by local volunteers were forbidden to enter the water to make rescues.

{READ: Deadly Louisiana Flood Coverup. 16 Startling Truths]

Some areas continue to be off-limits to lay people, Good Samaritans, yet officials admit they cannot keep up to meet the demands of all the calls for rescue help.

Despite officials blocking rescues in some areas said to be dangerous, over 1000 civilians have succeeded in search and rescues, with more volunteering each hour.

“Redell Harris has been volunteering with his boat for four days, and he figures he has rescued about 300 people in that time. He is one of dozens of volunteers using social media to search for people who are trapped and need help,” reports the Washington Post.

“Though officials elsewhere had discouraged volunteers from freelancing, Maj. Lee Anderson of the Ascension Parish Sheriff’s Office praised them. ‘They’re doing a good job,’ he said. ‘They’re getting a lot of people out.’”

Meanwhile, The Red Cross, FEMA’S official partner, explains why it cannot manage.

“This is an extremely chaotic situation right now, with life-threatening flood waters, power outages and road closures complicating relief efforts – as many local volunteers have also been directly affected by the flooding,” said Brad Kieserman, vice president, Disaster Services Operations and Logistics for the Red Cross. (Good4Utah)

“This is by far our largest sheltering effort in Louisiana since Hurricane Isaac, and the bulk of this staggering devastation is in areas that typically don’t experience flooding.”

The Louisiana flood ordeal reached a new level as waters throughout much of the southern part of the state climbed to unprecedented levels Tuesday. While the confirmed death toll has also risen to 11, still, countless other victims remain stranded and/or unaccounted.

The post directly above and others embedded earlier in this article are only a small percentage of such cries for help. Some shelters have had no records available for the public to check to see if loved ones are there. Volunteers near some of these are using makeshift registries to post for worried loved ones to see.

“I don’t know that we have a good handle on the number of people who are missing,” Gov. John Bel Edwards said, noting that many people possibly deemed missing are safe but unable to communicate with family members.

Louisiana National Guard reports over 3,300 members are helping with storm response, and as of Tuesday, it had rescued over 7,600 people and 1,200 pets.

Mississippi Levee Breach, Worst Yet To Come

The Mississippi Levee breached in at least one place, sending the Mighty Mississippi’s seemingly never-ending water into one part of south Louisiana. Other rivers are rising as much as three to four feet, expected to submerge entire cities and towns by tonight or early Wednesday morning. Millions are trying to flee with little more than the clothes on their backs. Many road and parts of major highways are closed.

At one point, some 1500 people were stranded in cars, some waiting over two days for rescue, food and water. Seventy miles of the main north-south artery through the state, the highway between Baton Rouge and Covington on New Orleans’ Northshore, were closed, with reportedly no way for anyone to reach them for over 24 hours. Dozens of other road closures remain in effect. New ones are added to the list as the day progresses.

By Tuesday night, another three to four feet of water is expected to drown more cities. Terrifying “LEAVE NOW” warnings are being passed to locals as water continues to rise. Such a warning for people in South Louisiana was posted regarding water rising in numerous regions.

Ascension Parish, among parishes especially hard-hit, braces for another hard hit before end of Tuesday. Nearly one-third of all homes in the parish have already been inundated, after floodwater overtopped a levee along the Amite River, the Baton Rouge Advocate says.

An Ascension Parish sheriff’s wife reportedly compiled the following list to warn locals. It was posted on the Facebook page, Louisiana Flood Lost and Found, heroically established and moderated by Erika Heaton.

((((SERIOUSLY Y’ALL DO NOT RISK IT BECAUSE YOU ARE SAFE AT THE MOMENT!!!! Water travels very very fast!!!!))))))

***ASCENSION PARISH***

(this is not meant to hype nor scare..please be prepared)

IF YOU’RE IN ST. AMANT OR SORRENTO, YOU SHOULD CONSIDER GETTING OUT. THERE IS FEAR OF ASCENSION PARISH FILLING UP WITH WATER.

***AS YOU CAN SEE IN THE POSTS BELOW, ALL LOCAL GAUGES ARE RISING***

SORRENTO: LA Hwy 22 at Airline Hwy is already covered and is not passable.
***Water is expected to rise in Sorrento another 3 to 4 feet per the Mayor of Sorrento and the entire city of Sorrento is expected to flood.***

ST AMANT: Same as Sorrento…if you’re still at home and have a ways of evacuating, PLEASE GET OUT NOW. DO NOT WAIT. The entire city of St Amant may get an additional 3 to 4 feet of water overnight.

GONZALES: Pretty much the same as above….please leave if you can. Even if the scenario mentioned above does not reach you, flooding from the Blind River will likely reach you over night or tomorrow.

ST GABRIEL/DUTCHTOWN/GEISMAR: Water is pouring over Alligator Bayou Road, slowly eroding Alligator Bayou Road into the swamp along Bluff Road. If you’re along Hwy 928, Hwy 74, Hwy 73, etc., PLEASE keep a close eye on your surroundings as these waters are flowing at an alarming rate through the lowest elevations first.

When it comes to the Lamar Dixon Expo Center, yes that is a pet friendly evacuation center, and yes we have heard chatter of the Lamar flooding, HOWEVER WE CANNOT CONFIRM THIS.

If you do not have water right now, do NOT get complacent….GET OUT. It does not matter if you’ve never flooded before. It does not matter if you did not flood in 1983. This is an event of historical proportions that no one alive has ever dealt with before.

Attempting to motivate stayers in Ascension Parish towns of Gonzales (population over 10,000) and Sorrento in (population over 1500) to immediately leave Tuesday, J.t. Flethcher posted early Tuesday afternoon:

‘Total Loss’ in 75% of Livingston Parish 

Livingston Parish Sheriff’s page early Tues. Aug 16 provides an example of the battle officials are waging to manage the catastrophe, albeit predicted by climate scientists for years:
UPDATES:
*Sheriff Ard says water is rising in the Southeast areas of the parish (French Settlement, Killian, Port Vincent, and Maurepas).
*Water is starting to recede in the Denham Springs and Walker areas.
*Rescues are down to a minimum.
* 25 shelters are in place.
*About 4600 people are in shelters.
*Roughly 75% of the parish has experienced total loss.
*Power outages reported in the south Denham Springs area, Port Vincent, and Maurepas.
*Minor issues with looting in neighborhoods and stores are under control.
*Answering calls for assistance as fast as we can. We are still experiencing a backlog. You may still experience a busy signal because of the high volume of calls still coming in. 911 for real time emergencies, 686-3996 for all other calls for service.
*[ROAD] CLOSURES:
Hwy 63 S of I12
Hwy 22 Maurepas
441 S of I12
Hwy 42 Springfield
Juban
Range
Magnolia Bridge

“We’re going to have standing water all over south Louisiana,” Louisiana Governor John Bel Edwards told CNN.

At 2:56 PM CDT Tuesday,  the National Weather Service in New Orleans issued a report extending the Flood Warning for eight parishes including that of the state capitol, Baton Rouge:

  •   Livingston Parish in southeastern Louisiana…
  •   West Baton Rouge Parish in southeastern Louisiana…
  •   northern St. James Parish in southeastern Louisiana…
  •   northern St. John The Baptist Parish in southeastern Louisiana…
  •   Pointe Coupee Parish in southeastern Louisiana…
  •   Iberville Parish in southeastern Louisiana…
  •   East Baton Rouge Parish in southeastern Louisiana…
  •   Ascension Parish in southeastern Louisiana… 

* until 300 PM CDT Wednesday

The report says the following locations are already experiencing or are expected  to experience flooding… Baton Rouge… Zachary… Baker… Denham  Springs… Gonzales…  Donaldsonville… Plaquemine… Port Allen… New Roads… Krotz Springs…  Melville… Oak Hills Place… far northern portions of Reserve… far northern portions
  of LaPlace… St. Gabriel… Walker…  Gramercy… Addis… Lutcher and Brusly.

“Backwater flooding continues to affect parishes with waterways that usually drain into the swollen Amite and Comite rivers as well as Lake Maurepas. Observations indicate that water is still slowly rising in these areas. As the water slowly rises… flooding could begin to impact areas as far southeast as portions of far northern
LaPlace that are generally along and around Interstate 10.

Backwater flooding continues impacting portions of Pointe Coupee and the West Bank of Iberville as runoff from heavy rainfall last week continues draining southward, according to the National Weather Service report.

Thirty minutes later, The National Weather in New Orleans issued a Flash Flood Warning for: West Baton Rouge Parish in southeastern Louisiana. Eastern West Feliciana Parish in southeastern Louisiana. Southeastern Pointe Coupee parish in southeastern Louisiana. Central Iberville Parish in southeastern Louisiana. Western East Baton Rouge Parish in southeastern Louisiana. East Feliciana Parish in southeastern Louisiana.

Remarkable courage of south Louisiana women and unmet survival needs are seen in posts such as this below.

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    • Deborah Dupre

      What gets me today as I see this suffering is that climate scientists have warned about these types of catastrophes worsening — and their warning having fallen mainly on deaf or deniers’ ears. We’ve known for many years that storms would become more extreme and more frequent. We’ve known flooding causes more deaths than any other type of storm. So why weren’t there enough amphibian vehicles nearby for rescues and enough trained personnel to use them? Three days stranded in an attic with no food or water? No good excuse. Sorry. I guess we have a right to be angry as well as sad.

      • Paul Brown

        Readers:

        We have a right to be very angry, especially at the government, the fossil fuel villains who own them, and the climate deniers in the pay of the fossil fuel companies. They have blood on their hands, and it will be much worse as time goes by. Thank you Ms Dupre for reporting the facts censored by mainstream and newspapers and right wing proxies like the heritage Foundation, American Enterprise Institute, the Global Climate Coalition, and the Cato Institute. They are funded by criminal sources like the Koch Brothers, ExxonMobil, Southern Company, and the American Petroleum Institute.

        Their arguments, all of which have been refuted scientifically, go like this:
        CO2 is not actually increasing.
        Even if it is, the increase has no impact on the climate since there is no convincing evidence of warming.
        Even if there is warming, it is due to natural causes.
        Even if the warming cannot be explained by natural causes, the human impact is small, and the impact of continued greenhouse gas emissions will be minor.
        Even if the current and future projected human effects on Earth’s climate are not negligible, the changes are generally going to be good for us.
        Whether or not the changes are going to be good for us, humans are very adept at adapting to changes; besides, it’s too late to do anything about it, and/or a technological fix is bound to come along when we really need it.

        Denialism in this context has been defined as the use of rhetorical devices to give the appearance of legitimate debate where there is none, an approach that has the ultimate goal of rejecting a proposition on which a scientific consensus exists. This process characteristically uses one or more of the following tactics:
        Allegations that scientific consensus involves conspiring to fake data or suppress the truth: a global warming conspiracy theory.
        Fake experts, or individuals with views at odds with established knowledge, at the same time marginalising or denigrating published topic experts. Like the manufactured doubt over smoking and health, a few contrarian scientists oppose the climate consensus, some of them the same individuals.
        Selectivity, such as cherry picking atypical or even obsolete papers: examples include discredited ideas of the medieval warm period.
        Unworkable demands of research, claiming that any uncertainty invalidates the field or exaggerating uncertainty while rejecting probabilities and mathematical models.
        Logical fallacies.

        If you see any of these arguments or tactics, you now know where they come from. Please reject and condemn them.

        • The Clucker

          Don’t you see their game? Are you that out of the loop? These same people that want to tax CO2 emissions are the same people that are selling you the supposed “fossil fuels” in the first place. (Personally I doubt that oil comes from fossil fuels. Research it.)

          So, they sell you the fuels, at a tax, then charge you extra later for using them, through a tax (carbon tax). It’s quite the racket they have going with that. I don’t think you have any idea how badly you’re getting screwed by these folks. Al Gore would be proud of you.

          • The Clucker

            I should also add that they have used this tactic of carbon taxation to prevent 3rd world nations from becoming industrialized nations, henceforth keeping them in poverty. You also realize that plants feed on CO2, then in turn reproduce oxygen, eh?

            • Paul Brown

              Sorry, Clucker, but the science says otherwise. Research has shown that more CO2 is not very beneficial. Worse, at the higher temperatures that come with it, plants can’t make as good use of it. In other words, they actually sequester less carbon and make less oxygen. This is already happening.

        • Hi NSA, kiss my artichoke

          Um… What about the in-house texts/e-mails that PROVED they COOKED their books?
          Al’s Global Warming was seen through, so, they had to re-name it Climate Change.
          A FRAUD by any name is still a FRAUD.
          Scientific consensus said years ago that we were going to have another ice-age, then, we’re going to be a great ball of fire!
          Freeze!
          Burn!
          Freeze!
          Burn!
          We’re just back to the burn cycle.
          Mainly, because Libtard socialists smell a way to SUCK MORE $ out of people.
          And, you forgot to tug the heart-strings and mention all those poor, drowning polar bears.
          Just think of them when you drop some ice-cubes in your tea and deny them the ice they so desperately need. :wink: :roll:

          • The Clucker

            Exactly right, man. I could respond to “Paul Brown” above, but he has clearly been “indoctrinated” into the scam and believes it wholeheartedly, so it would no doubt be a waste of my time. He doesn’t know that the science he speaks of is a fraud. I agree with you. The Earth goes through periodic warming and cooling cycles that can be proven by geological evidence.

          • Paul Brown

            Readers: this is a typical climate denying troll comment. Just for your information (not trying to convince the trolls, because they can’t be convinced):
            Nobody has “seen through” global warming, which in fact is happening, as I hope Ms Dupre will document sometime. Each of the past five years has set new records in planetary temperatures. Global warming is bringing about a complex of climate changes, such as precipitation, wind, and seasonal fluctuations. Now scientists are speaking about climate disruption as well, the chaotic effect of rapid changes that are happening. All-time records are being broken every year, every month, and what were 1000-year events such as the flooding in Louisiana are now happening frequently.
            The incendiary rhetoric of these trolls notwithstanding, scientists have seen cuts in funding during right-wing administrations, and harassment of climate scientists is on the increase. And yes, polar bears are drowning, amphibians, reptiles and birds are going extinct, and global warming is part of the reason. Viruses, malaria, and other diseases are spreading northward from their tropical origins because of global warming and boreal forests in North America are dying because bark beetles are not dying off as much during the warmer winters.
            And yes, the trolls claim the science they don’t like (which amounts to tens of thousands of peer-reviewed papers a year) is a fraud, and only accept science they like, which amounts to a handful of publications, most not peer-reviewed, annually.

            • The Clucker

              You said a lot of words, but I didn’t bother reading them because you accused me of being a troll. I see you and Debra Dupree doing the same on her other articles.

              On the two that I will link below, Lifels and TCB, among others, stated facts and made arguments contrary to your theory that you never returned to refute. It’s because you can’t refute their points. Plain and simple.

              Also, Mr. Brown… I’ve never seen you post here before and I have been through EVERY article on the front page of the news feed. I only see your posting on 3 or 4 of them. Guess what… ALL of them are Debra Dupree’s articles. Based on that one could assume you’re only here to promote a certain agenda. If so, that would make YOU the troll. See how that works? :razz:

            • The Clucker

              Sorry. Silly Clucker forgot the links.

              /environment/2016/08/apocalyptic-louisiana-1000-troops-battle-deadly-historic-event-widespread-chaos-evacs-ordered-2560504.html

              /conspiracy-theories/2016/08/deadly-louisiana-flood-coverup-16-startling-truths-2476743.html

              So you two come up with an article about the Louisiana flood topic to promote Global Warming, then when proven wrong you just make a new one and start all over hoping nobody in the comments notices? What gives? Are YOU trolls? I’m truly wondering.

            • Hi NSA, kiss my artichoke

              HEY Paul! What’s more afraid of a conspiracy than a Gov. paid scientist?
              2 Gov paid scientists!
              “Climate Denying Troll”?
              Who’s (by omission) denying what?
              Where was YOUR response to the e-mail scandal?
              You know…The one in England that proved they were LYING!!!
              Just like YOUR LIE of “Tens of thousands of peer reviewed papers a year.”
              Rats are drowning too… That’s why their clutching at any string to keep their GLOBAL WARMING LIE alive. :wink:

            • FAT AXL!!!

              This is the kind of irrational noise we see habitually issuing from leftist quarters. Paul Brown wrote:

              “Readers: this is a typical climate denying troll comment.”

              Ahh. The vainglorious appeal to the ‘intelligent’ readers. But once again we see, by a simple observation of the facts, what the truth of the matter is. Is the infernal voting mechanism programmed into this website several years ago invisible to your eyes, doctor? Just which ‘readers’ are you appealing to? Because, for all of me, it looks like the ‘readers’ have in fact read your submissions and have overwhelmingly rejected them. Likewise with Ms. Dupre. So? Perhaps it is an imaginary readership you have concocted in your own mind to whom you address your pleas for understanding. Because the readership here has heard you loud and clear. And they’re not buying what you’re selling.

              You wrote:

              “…We have a right to be very angry…”

              “…fossil fuel villains…”

              “…blood on their hands…”

              “…climate deniers…” (…as moronic and asinine a term as any… If I was a leftist, I would be too embarrassed by this ludicrous term to actually employ it in argumentation…)

              (…Denialism…) That must be the ‘science’ of climate deniers.

              This sort of emotionally-laden language was much more effective some fifteen or twenty years ago, before folks began to get a very real look at just what animates the leftist agendas in this world. Let’s try to keep up with the spirit of the times, eh doc? You’re falling hopelessly behind and your efforts are netting you zero gain. Your kind will have to resort to OVERT and OUTRIGHT tyranny in order to ever get what you want. That’s because HONESTY will be demanded of you. You want power over the people? Come and take it. And stop trying to be such a slithering sneak about it.

      • The Clucker

        “So why weren’t there enough amphibian vehicles nearby for rescues and enough trained personnel to use them? Three days stranded in an attic with no food or water? No good excuse. Sorry. I guess we have a right to be angry as well as sad.”

        Do you really expect the government in this country to bend over backwards to help people in times of chaos? I’m sorry to say, and I’m not trying to be rude here, but that’s a bit naive. Half of the time they create the chaos themselves for the sake of furthering some sort of sick agenda. If someone spends 3 days in an attic with no food or water then they should probably take that time to think long and hard about moving somewhere with a lessened likelihood of this sort of catastrophe.

        These sorts of events actually help to awaken people. Later when those people leave their attic they might go on the internet and try to find out why there was nobody coming to their aid, in the same way that 9/11 victims caught on to the truth behind all of the strange circumstances involved in that event. Everyday more people are catching on to what is happening in the world. In a funny way these events act as a catalyst for people to become more informed and realize how bad they’re really getting screwed by these world “elites.”

        It’s not that I don’t have sympathy for them, but living on a giant flood plain between rivers that can easily flood with high precipitation, then just hoping it doesn’t happen really isn’t a logical decision. You’re right. We have a right to be angry, but only if we are dumb enough to trust the U.S. government to help us. The people that control the military at the upper echelon level would rather be subjugating some country filled with brown people that doing a service for good in their own country. In fact, they’d rather be doing nothing to help than doing anything to help. It’s all by design.

        Thanks for the interesting read.

        • Deborah Dupre

          Thank you for the compliment and for your thought-provoking comment. Of course, I agree that it’s naive these days to trust, wait for, hope for government aid in times of need. Just look at the image I posted of where the US resources are going here (Deadly Louisiana Flood Coverup. 16 Startling Truths /conspiracy-theories/2016/08/deadly-louisiana-flood-coverup-16-startling-truths-2476743.html)

          Just a couple of things: Your Co2 fallacy – that Dr. Brown has addressed – and while some people tend to blame others for living in a flood-prone area, these days, almost regardless of where one lives, one is vulnerable to the environment’s wrath, having been abused for too long and too harshly. Few can actually afford to move to some safe haven with a bomb shelter to survive what is predicted. One might look at it this way: We are all Louisianians.

          I hope you’re right about more people awakening. When I see the two main US presidential candidates supported by Americans, I agree with Swanson and Zeese: foreign nations need to step in to clean up the US corruption and all those supporting it, through greed or ignorance.

    • The Clucker

      People don’t seem to understand when certain areas aren’t fit for human habitation, as far as permanent structures go. These people can’t complain. They should have known from day 1 that the problems come with the territory. Flood insurance is expensive. That’s why I decided not to buy a house that was sitting on a flood plain. Also though, I understand that many people have no control over where they leave, as they may have just been born there and don’t have the money to leave. I guess that would be the other side of the coin.

      • The Clucker

        *live. Not leave.

    • Uncle Nobby

      WOW there really are some dumb assholes commenting on here. Anthropomorphic global warming is A HUGE LIE. If you are still barking up that tree, maybe you should get some help. C02 at 0.074% of the atmosphere never has and never will drive climate. 2 Warming ships researching the melting arctic and antarctic ice sheets both got trapped in the ice had to be rescued, ha. No measurable warming in 17 years, ha.
      All you warming freaks should look up The Club of Rome and it’s plans in “THE FIRST GLOBAL REVOLUTION” it clearly states that unavoidable natural planetary warming should be blamed on the public. If you scare mongers don’t know this why the fuck do you visit a site like BIN ??

      • Paul Brown

        Readers: My last comment on this article:

        It is my hope that Ms Dupre will explain why a trace amount of CO2 and other greenhouse gases can have a strong effect on climate. Trace concentrations of substances have large effects in many contexts, such as the trace minerals we need for our bodies to function properly. In the case of CO2, it is extremely good at trapping heat: scientist calculate that the Earth’s temperature would be something like 33 degrees lower without the trace amount. It has now increased from less than 300 ppm to 400 ppm, so it’s no surprise the temperature has gone up, and will keep going up as positive feedbacks put more greenhouse gases into the air.
        The anecdotal example is of course useless, a classic denier ploy that has no validity. Of course ships still get stuck in ice: there is still ice, but the real point is that it is decreasing except for one peninsula in Antarctica.
        These trolls’ comments are perfect illustrations of the tricks used by deniers to try to create doubt in readers’ minds. Nw you can recognize them, reject them.
        As for visiting BIN, it is a haven for nonsense, but I believe many readers agree with me, and others are still educable.

        • The Clucker

          Yeah, it’s your last comment because you saw what I posted above. You know, the comment with the two links and the one above that. You’re just as soft as I thought, troll. :razz:

          You’re using pseudoscience that is promoted and created by the same people that invented the concept of Global Warming to screw people with carbon taxes. You should be ashamed of yourself, “Paul Brown.”

        • LifeIs

          There’s a good example of Paul Brown not knowing what he is talking about. He doesn’t understand the theory that he is advocating.

          “In the case of CO2, it is extremely good at trapping heat: scientist calculate that the Earth’s temperature would be something like 33 degrees lower without the trace amount.”

          And that is not ANYBODY’s theory.

          That 33 degrees is for ALL “greenhouse gases,” and of those, water vapor is credited with 90% to 95% of the effect.

          Deborah Dupre didn’t notice that mistake, because SHE doesn’t know what she’s talking about, either.

          • Deborah Dupre

            Utterly absurd. But thank you for visiting here. :-)

            • The Clucker

              Don’t bother addressing the points he made, Deborah. Just pretend that saying “thank you for visiting” will nullify the shortcomings of you and Mr. Brown on debating the subject.

              Anyway, thanks for visiting, Deb! Eh.

            • LifeIs

              Let’s ask NASA shall we?

              http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/co2-temperature.html

              “A companion study led by GISS co-author Gavin Schmidt that has been accepted for publication in the Journal of Geophysical Research shows that carbon dioxide accounts for about 20 percent of the greenhouse effect, water vapor and clouds together account for 75 percent, and minor gases and aerosols make up the remaining five percent.”

              NASA says 75% of the “greenhouse effect” is from water vapor.

              The reason that’s not 90% to 95% is the assumption in computer models (called “studies” now) that carbon dioxide increases the amount of water vapor– by making the air hotter.

              And if you’re far down the rabbit hole already, it’s not a strain to believe that so much of our water vapor would still be sitting in the ocean, without carbon dioxide.

              It’s a circular argument. It boils down to, “because I said so.”

              But never mind that. Here’s NASA satellite data reported in 2013 showing declines in water vapor.

              “The graph shows a significant percentage decline in upper and middle layer water vapor from 1995 to 2001. The near-surface layer shows a smaller percentage increase, but a larger absolute increase in water vapor than the other layers.”

              https://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/03/06/nasa-satellite-data-shows-a-decline-in-water-vapor/

              Here’s the relative amounts of water vapor and carbon dioxide, from NASA:

              Carbon Dioxide……… 0.038% of the air — 380 parts per million–

              Water Vapor…………. 5.0 % of the air –50,000 parts per million–

              http://spacemath.gsfc.nasa.gov/astrob/10Page8.pdf

              Now let’s talk about the absurdity of saying “greenhouse gases” make temperatures at the surface hotter. If that were true, the great deserts would be COLD from lack of water vapor in the air.

            • FAT AXL!!!

              Let’s go to the judges for the final official particulars:

              SCORECARD

              LifeIs………………………………….144,000 points

              Sir Paul Quixote
              and squire Sanchica Dupre……..-537

      • LifeIs

        Uncle Nobby and The Clucker you are trying to talk sense to the wrong people.

        The emperor does in fact have no clothes. But do you really think either Deborah Dupre or Paul Brown will admit, in this lifetime, that they have been such fools?

        They can’t admit it to themselves. They were told they could be heroes, saviors of the world, rightous in their hatred. They were told they could be BETTER THAN everybody else.

        Although I imagine each of them uses more gasoline and kerosene and coal than I do. I don’t fly. My driving is low-mileage. My hot water heater stays turned off, ’cause I don’t need hot water.

        Paul and Deborah are simply incapable of seeing the difference between propaganda/BS and actual science.

        Neither is competent to discuss this issue, let alone preach about it. Which is why they do not –they cannot–respond to the factual and logical information I’ve given them in response to many articles.

        • The Clucker

          “Paul and Deborah are simply incapable of seeing the difference between propaganda/BS and actual science.”

          Well said, LifeIs.

          “Although I imagine each of them uses more gasoline and kerosene and coal than I do. I don’t fly. My driving is low-mileage. My hot water heater stays turned off, ’cause I don’t need hot water.”

          Yeah, I don’t see either of the two taking a cold shower. I’m sure they’d rather burn fossil fuels. They believe what the mainstream scientists tell them, and for someone like Debra who has posted articles in the past about targeted individuals… she should know better than to parrot mainstream science as truth without going over it with a fine tooth comb.

        • Hi NSA, kiss my artichoke

          I have disagreed with you on other subjects. :mad:
          But here, now… Standing “O”. :grin:

          • The Clucker

            (I don’t always agree with Lifels but he’s sure as hell a lot smarter than I am.)

    • Daniel Jackson

      I suppose the real thing to consider here is that Louisiana is negligent at not having legislated a law that forbids building anywhere in a flood zone, and if they had such a law then we would not be seeing this today. In the future they will need to think about this and enact it. More than anything this is the result of unwise decision making. You do not place you home investment where it can be washed away one day in a flood, and knowingly building in a flood zone is unwise. Flooding happens, so we can not at all say that this is a climate change issue, most of us already know that Louisiana is a flood zone, we have heard the stories of coffins floating up out of the ground, and this goes way back now in time. The people there already know the score there, if you live there make sure you plan wisely and build in the right location. Its an old story. But no one seems to want to be wise apparently.

    • 2QIK4U

      DAMn ! I missed all the fun. To all the REGULARS here (that are here DAILY, you guys know who you are) YOU ALL ROCK. I’m glad to see it isn’t only me that see’s through THESE 2 SHILLING TROLL’s. I can’t add anything as you guy’s did it already :grin: THANKYOU. All i can add is the most Obvious missed comment. BROWN, DUPRE IF YOU SAY THE MAN MADE GLOBAL WARMING IS REAL, WHY HAS THE HOLE IN THE OZONE LAYER DISSAPEARED AND HEALED 100%? THE PLANET MUST HAVE FOLLOWED IT’S NATURAL CYCLE TO DO THIS WHICH MEAN’S EARTH HAS ACTUALLY COOLED DOWN NOT GOTTEN HOTTER. YOUR TAG TEAMING IS A JOKE. HAVE WE SWAPPED CIA SHILLS WITH ANOTHER SITE SUDDENLY ? YOU 2 TURN UP JUST AS THE THINNING VEIL DISSAPEARS ! LET’S SEE HOW LONG IT TAKES YOU THIS TIME TO DELETE EVERY COMMENT YOU AND YOUR PET TROLL DISAGREE ON? :roll:

      • 2QIK4U

        Or do i call it climate change? Either way i find your headline offensive,abusive and sexist, WHO SAID MAN DID IT? IT WAS PROBABLY A WOMAN. I can twist and play your blm i’m a victim game also… I see you pushing your Agenda more than you caring about the REAL VICTIMS here. YOU AND YOUR BROWN PET TROLL ARE BINNED. :oops:

    • 2QIK4U

      :arrow: :lol:

    • 2QIK4U

      Your friend KOS want’s to play Lotto with you

    • Paul Brown

      “Skepticism can be distinguished from denial in a few key ways, like denial’s reliance on conspiracy theories, its tendency to attack scientists and its lack of peer-review. Skepticism, on the other hand, tends to work within the peer-review system and maintain a cordial relationship with those it questions. The concluding line of the study sums it up well: “Denial is not an ‘avenue of last resort’ for members of the public who are desperate to contribute to science or even correct it, but a politically-motivated effort to undermine science.” http://jspp.psychopen.eu/article/view/604/html

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